my ghilliesuit halfdone :) [Archive]

Jaster

10-14-2004, 06:15 AM

Originally posted by Zorath No, but I did kick one of them in the face. Hard to be stealthy when you're bleeding out of your eyes, isn't it?

wow...tough guy huh? I'm impres....:sleep:

You all think you could actually answer his question without all the flames? I don't recall him asking if he should use it...:rolleyes:

Mode, good work on the suit. A couple suggestions.
First off the strands your using look a bit thick from the pic. When you're done adding the strands, I would try to comb them out some. I have a feeling that if you leave it like that, you'll look like Chewbacca with dreds. The colors and patterns look pretty good. Can't be too sure though, not knowing what Finland's woods colors look like. Once you done with everything, bring it out to the woods and set it somewhere. Take about 10 steps back and look to see if it stands out at all. Something else you could try would be to "tiger stripe" it some with spraypaint. I'd use either a darker pine green (something that matches the colors of your area the most). What you want to do is lay it flat and paint a light random line going from top left to bottom right (or vise versa but you get the idea). Not really a solid line but broken up some. Just like a tiger's stripes. A few big one's some small ones... just don't make a pattern. Patterns stand out. You want only a few stripes to break up the colors some and every couple lines you add, set it up in the woods and see how it looks.
Lastly, once your happy with the colors and such, coat it heavily with some type of fire retardant. Dry threads, paint... you're a walking tinder box.
Good work so far. Keep it going. Let me know how it ends up.

mode

10-14-2004, 08:59 AM

o_0 thanks mate ^^
this was a short reply but I'll talk to you later, gtg

teufelhunden

10-14-2004, 10:06 AM

You're going to catch on fire.

Enjoy!

Sniper15

10-14-2004, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by teufelhunden
You're going to catch on fire.

Enjoy! How?

Or was that a joke?:confused:

4THDEGREE

10-14-2004, 11:16 AM

mode, I give you credit for the patience to make it. I actually saw one of these for sale in a local paintabll store with an armotech display.

I am going to have to ask them next time how many of these thay have sold.

Blue Baller

10-14-2004, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by Sniper15
How?

Or was that a joke?:confused: I want to say about a year ago, some dude in a ghille suit caught fire on a really hot day of playing paintball.

dog-of-Dislexia

10-14-2004, 11:19 AM

I don't know anything about ghillie but it looks like that fishnet stuff on the shirt part is not going to help camouflage you and is going to get caught on a lot of branches and such.

comando345

10-14-2004, 11:33 AM

It's funny how when anyone mentions anything remotely mil-sim all the regulars start flaming. I can just picture the angry villagers with the pitch forks.:laugh:

That said, anything that obscures your form will give you an advantage in the woods. Whether or not that advantage is worth the hassle is arguable.

Looks like its coming along well. Make sure you cover your entire head, and you might want a goggle skin of some sort. Good Luck.

teufelhunden

10-14-2004, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Sniper15
How?

Or was that a joke?:confused:

Professional ghillie suits are fire retardant, I guess people managed to light themselves on fire a number of times. This one will not be.

Reason ghillie suits in paintball are a waste: Even at the max. effective range of a gun at 300 fps, your position will be given away after your first attempt at a target. The ghillie suit then slows you down when attempting to move and gives the other team more to hit.

Sniper15

10-14-2004, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by dog-of-Dislexia
I don't know anything about ghillie but it looks like that fishnet stuff on the shirt part is not going to help camouflage you and is going to get caught on a lot of branches and such. It's not there to help camo yourself. The net is there so you can tie your strands of burlap (or whatever you are using) to the net. That way you don't have to sew on each individual piece.

Scar13

10-14-2004, 11:47 AM

I find it funny how speedballers constant bash Rec ballers..

GJ man

A. that suit will help in certain situations when Playing in scenerios or deep woods recball

B. no good on speedball

C. I find it funny when I go to a field and a speedballer makes fun of a Ghuillie suit and I ask well lets go play with him in the woods and they say HELL NO... I just laugh.

D. I prefer woods ball as it takes more tactics then speedball whenre you lay out a case of paint....

E. I prefer speed ball when we use pumps...

The best is when we were playing a ghuillie suit walked by and some little kid made a comment about the suit very rude.

The ghuillie suit turned around and bet the kid marker for marker on the speed ball field.... Poor kid never seen him cry so bad when his dad made him give up his marker becasue he lost....

MORAL of the story STFU and let others play how they want he didnt bash you for trying to color cordinate your attire with Fing marker did he? Or wear that RAINBOW jersey in the hopes the ref wont see that hit on you.... Its alot easier to bash on speedballers then it is a woodsballer I promise.

PBallWonder

10-14-2004, 12:21 PM

Ok, please guys stop flaming these people.
i see people wearing ghuilli suits in paintball mazines all of the time and i dont care.

Speedballers hate woodsballers, woodsballers hate speedballers. its a vicious circle. we all have our own opinion but we dont have to say it to the world.

I think the suit is cool. looks great. just keep up the good work no matter what anyone says.

I have a cousin who has a camo suit, hat, gloves, mask, ext.. and when we play woodsball, he covers up down in the foliage, thick tall grass, then when i walk in, WHAM! i get gogged. and i always tell him to not get up because i find it fun looking for him afterwards. and my god its hard to find him. even when you hear the gun fire, if hes in a good surrounding, its damn near impossible to see him. Heck, even one time i almost stepped on him. he then shot me in the back of the head.

Blue Baller

10-14-2004, 12:34 PM

Scar- that's funny. Whenever us speedballers get challenged by the woodsies, we end up mowing them to no end. :laugh:

PMI-guy

10-14-2004, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by Zorath

No, but I did kick one of them in the face. Hard to be stealthy when you're bleeding out of your eyes, isn't it?

Ghille suits are retarded. They're for people who just sit around hiding, instead of actually moving up. Its teammates like you that make me cry myself to sleep.

Translation- I am some ignorant homo speedballer who seems to think making up bullshat stories will make me look cool to the rest of the pathetic forum goers who think speedball is the ONLY way to play. Honestly, I could make up a better story... "Well you see I was walking through the field when I see two speed ballers making homo erotic love, so i shot the one in the bare nuts and inserted my barrel into the other's ***... needless to say he enjoyed it until I pulled the trigger."

Look, I disagree with "speedballers hate woodsballers, and vice versa" because if speedballers didn't run their damn mouths so much and respect the fact that woodsball IS paintball then woodsballers would have nothing against them. Alot of speedballers are former skateborders who quit and needed a reason to still dress like a big fruity punk, thus they turn to paintball... You don't need skill to start off, just a gun.

amzng_spyderman

10-14-2004, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by PBallWonder
Ok, please guys stop flaming these people.
i see people wearing ghuilli suits in paintball mazines all of the time and i dont care.

Speedballers hate woodsballers, woodsballers hate speedballers. its a vicious circle. we all have our own opinion but we dont have to say it to the world.

I think the suit is cool. looks great. just keep up the good work no matter what anyone says.

I have a cousin who has a camo suit, hat, gloves, mask, ext.. and when we play woodsball, he covers up down in the foliage, thick tall grass, then when i walk in, WHAM! i get gogged. and i always tell him to not get up because i find it fun looking for him afterwards. and my god its hard to find him. even when you hear the gun fire, if hes in a good surrounding, its damn near impossible to see him. Heck, even one time i almost stepped on him. he then shot me in the back of the head.
this woodsballer doesn't hate speedballer. he hates milsim players in rec games. want to do scenarios? fine. but wear your scenario gear to a rec game and you will be labeled a n00b.

Cliche

10-14-2004, 12:54 PM

I'll bet you never asked yourself how you're going to smoke a cig with that thing on.

Just being practical.

PMI-guy

10-14-2004, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by amzng_spyderman

this woodsballer doesn't hate speedballer. he hates milsim players in rec games. want to do scenarios? fine. but wear your scenario gear to a rec game and you will be labeled a n00b.

About that ghillie suit starting on fire deal, it was a man smoking in his ghillie suit that did it.

Cliche, chances are he doesn't smoke, or if he does he will probably deal with it. Don't say stupid things.

amzng_spyderman

10-14-2004, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by PMI-guy

YOU hate the milsim player... did you realize that right after i said it, or did you have to think about it for a while? don't try to make your opinion sound like a fact. i wasn't.

Meuchelmorder

10-14-2004, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by amzng_spyderman

this woodsballer doesn't hate speedballer. he hates milsim players in rec games. want to do scenarios? fine. but wear your scenario gear to a rec game and you will be labeled a n00b.

while most of the time i generally agree with what you say, this is not one of those times.

it may be true if the 'hosts' are total jerks and obsessed with what everyone's wearing to their event. :rolleyes:

at our field no one cares what someone else is wearing. we generally wear BDUs, but that's because we play in the woods and dont want to be seen. if someone wants to show up in their MilSim gear, or even airsoft, no one really cares. we just make sure everything's fair and safe.

PS - Good job on your ghillie. make sure it matches your field/woods before you finish. if the coloring stands out, you might as well dress in a big pink bunny suit. :P

Hmmm Donut

10-14-2004, 03:03 PM

Why is it that every time a thread deals with sniper, or a stock or mil-sim that the thread turns into a huge flaming arguement that nobody can win.

Joe_Mamma518

10-14-2004, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Hmmm Donut
Why is it that every time a thread deals with sniper, or a stock or mil-sim that the thread turns into a huge flaming arguement that nobody can win.

Ill tell ya why. Its because this forum is completely loaded with closed-minded speedballers who refuse to understand that paintball is a very diverse game, and can be enjoyed in more than one way. That's why, and will it ever change? No.

And by the way, ur the one with the armotech quote in your sig, so ur no different...

PaintballingNut

10-14-2004, 03:29 PM

PMI-Guy...maybe you missed it, but I'm pretty sure amzng was refering to HIMSELF. And he didn't say THE woodsballer, he said THIS woodsballer.
Just trying to help clear that up.

Woodsies and Speedies don't always hate eachother. Woodsball/beachball is how I got into paintball. Then I slowly moved toward speedball. When I can't find a speedball field I still love to go out and play w/friends on the beach or in the woods.

Back on topic: I agree with Jaster. You might wanna fix the mask a bit because it looks like you have some crazy-savage beard.
Other than that, good job so far.

PMI-guy

10-14-2004, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by PaintballingNut

PMI-Guy...maybe you missed it, but I'm pretty sure amzng was refering to HIMSELF. And he didn't say THE woodsballer, he said THIS woodsballer.
Just trying to help clear that up.

Thanks nut, sorry spyder lmao!

MA_paintballer

10-14-2004, 03:32 PM

I dont have time to jump into the mix now...I'll save it for later. But anyways for staying relativly OT I must say the mask makes you look like:
http://mas.scripps.com/NPDN/2004/02/26/N-DamonJ127_d.jpg

JOHNY DAMON:love: :love: :love:

STO Balla 22

10-14-2004, 03:36 PM

Ill tell ya why. Its because this forum is completely loaded with closed-minded speedballers who refuse to understand that paintball is a very diverse game, and can be enjoyed in more than one way. That's why, and will it ever change? No.
You seem to hate speedballers as much as you say we hate you. In fact, you're stereotyping the average speedballer. I don't like some woodsball players, but I do like Spydey, and I'm pretty sure he plays woodsball some. I have nothing against woodsball or the players per se, but I do think MilSim players should play airsoft rather than paintball. If you're going to complain about hate, don't hate back. If you think PBR is bad, don't go to PBN.

hotel73

10-14-2004, 04:46 PM

About those tiger stripes, Don't do them. I know they may look cool but think about it this way, how many things in the natural world have that kind of pattern. Be looking up and have 3 stripes going down your face, you will stand out.

ace6160

10-14-2004, 04:52 PM

Get a darker lense.

Joe_Mamma518

10-14-2004, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by STO Balla 22

You seem to hate speedballers as much as you say we hate you. In fact, you're stereotyping the average speedballer. I don't like some woodsball players, but I do like Spydey, and I'm pretty sure he plays woodsball some. I have nothing against woodsball or the players per se, but I do think MilSim players should play airsoft rather than paintball. If you're going to complain about hate, don't hate back. If you think PBR is bad, don't go to PBN.

That doesn't make any sense. How can you use the "don't hate back" as a valid argument? Someone could say that you are hating me for hating back.... It would go on forever.... I hate the hate some speedballers have against milsim. And is it wrong to hate, hate?

Like I said, I hate the speedballers who hate milsim players. Not every speedballer. Im not hating them for the game they play (unlike the reasoning behind the speedballers hating milsim players), im hating them for refusing the belive that there are other forms of fun paintball.

teufelhunden

10-14-2004, 05:52 PM

Joe_Momma: You really make piss poor arguments that even you should be able to see the contradictions in. So you can do that yourself.

Speedballers dislike milsimmers for a number of reasons. I'll be kind and list them for you.

Milsimmers play army. That's what people think of when they think of paintball. People then think we're terrorists in training. That's why when you say you ball, you get a look.
More newbs tend to be/want to be milsimmers than speedballers. Therefore, they have crappy guns. Guns that they didn't spend much on or care much about. They're the ones driving around shooting houses and toddlers. Not the speedballers with the $1200 setup.
Your game takes up a ****load of land. Therefore, any field that wants to have both woods/milsim and speedball has to buy a lot of land. Raises the cost for the speedballers.
Milsimmers fail to realize that no matter what you say about "being a scout" or "shooting from a concealed position," there are no snipers in paintball.
You all want mock silencers, stocks, etc. for your guns. Nothing that enhances performance and it's just stupid. Therefore, companies need to make more products, meaning higher costs for everything else because they need to retool for each line. Legit. products are therefore more expensive.

That said, I've taken part in scenarios. Hope to play some when I'm back home again this summer. But I play paintball, not war. I'm out there to shoot faces, not lie on my fat gut for 3 hours.

Also, if you want to go and play woodsball, I take no issue with that. Just keep your sights, lasers, silencers, and bipods at home.

Hmmm Donut

10-14-2004, 06:12 PM

CAn we please stop the arguement here it is going nowhere.

amzng_spyderman

10-14-2004, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by teufelhunden
Also, if you want to go and play woodsball, I take no issue with that. Just keep your sights, lasers, silencers, and bipods at home.
i like that.

Joe_Mamma518

10-14-2004, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by teufelhunden
Joe_Momma: You really make piss poor arguments that even you should be able to see the contradictions in. So you can do that yourself.

What do you mean "piss poor arguments"? So far I have simply stated that this forum is full of people who hate milsim. Then I asked what wrong with hating people who hate milsim? That is hardly an argument, but more of a question. And now, my good sir, let us take a look at your "great" arguments.

Milsimmers play army. That's what people think of when they think of paintball. People then think we're terrorists in training. That's why when you say you ball, you get a look.

This is the main argument against milsim, and really, it's rediculous. If you say all non-paintballers think of milsim when they think of paintball, then you would have to credit milsim for getting a lot of people into the sport, wouldnt you? After all, it is this idea which attracted them to the sport isnt it?

More newbs tend to be/want to be milsimmers than speedballers. Therefore, they have crappy guns. Guns that they didn't spend much on or care much about. They're the ones driving around shooting houses and toddlers. Not the speedballers with the $1200 setup.

Thank you for agreeing that it brings people into the sport. But nice try at making it look like the milsimers are the people who are vandalizing. Lets be rational here. Just because you spend more on a gun doesnt make you less likely to vandalize. And who ever said milsim markers are cheap? Good luck proving the people with milsim markers are the ones shooting houses and people.

Your game takes up a ****load of land. Therefore, any field that wants to have both woods/milsim and speedball has to buy a lot of land. Raises the cost for the speedballers.

Comon. You can't be serious. You are trying to blame milsim players for high prices? That is a joke.

Milsimmers fail to realize that no matter what you say about "being a scout" or "shooting from a concealed position," there are no snipers in paintball.

Does it really matter what you call it? Seriously, you are gonna hold that against them? It's just a word. And I don't think it's any skin off ur ***.

You all want mock silencers, stocks, etc. for your guns. Nothing that enhances performance and it's just stupid. Therefore, companies need to make more products, meaning higher costs for everything else because they need to retool for each line. Legit. products are therefore more expensive.

Oh yes, i forgot, we are forcing companies to make more products. And when companies make more products, it makes everything more expensive, right? This is almost as rediculous as your field cost argument. This is simple. If there was no market for it, if companies were loesing money on it, if they had to drive up the price of other products to compensate for their losses, then they wouldnt make it. It's that simple. Why make a product that is costing you money? This instead proves that milsim is making money, and if anything, lowering your prices.

So please, think for a second about your logic (or lack there of). It doesnt make sense. It just doesnt, make, sense. So dont talk to me about "piss poor arguments."

[Infusion]BigC

10-14-2004, 06:46 PM

Tie lots of pop cans, crumpled paper, a few garbage can lids on garbage bags onto it and call it an Urban Ghillie Suit.

That would be ****** and you would get mad props, becuse you could lay down on a city streat and you would virtually disappear! :eek:

teufelhunden

10-14-2004, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by Joe_Mamma518

What do you mean "piss poor arguments"? So far I have simply stated that this forum is full of people who hate milsim. Then I asked what wrong with hating people who hate milsim? That is hardly an argument, but more of a question. And now, my good sir, let us take a look at your "great" arguments. You only need to re-read your posts. Maybe even the responses. I see no reason to repeat what has been said

This is the main argument against milsim, and really, it's rediculous. If you say all non-paintballers think of milsim when they think of paintball, then you would have to credit milsim for getting a lot of people into the sport, wouldnt you? After all, it is this idea which attracted them to the sport isnt it? I got into paintball by playing in the woods. We didn't play Delta Force vs. Navy Seals, we played CTF in an area that happened to be wooded. Seems like most other people got into it not wanting to be special commando in charge of demolitions..

Thank you for agreeing that it brings people into the sport. But nice try at making it look like the milsimers are the people who are vandalizing. Lets be rational here. Just because you spend more on a gun doesnt make you less likely to vandalize. And who ever said milsim markers are cheap? Good luck proving the people with milsim markers are the ones shooting houses and people. Having an expensive setup absolutley deters you from using it outside of paintball-- cops take your gun if you get caught. I'm not risking hours and hours of my hard work to buy my gun and then more and more hours of my time tinkering with it.. but the guys with the $130 Tippmann don't really have to think that way, that's 1/2 a week's paycheck.

Comon. You can't be serious. You are trying to blame milsim players for high prices? That is a joke. Completely blame? No. But if all that was needed was 3 acres of land as opposed to 20, prices would be down because the cost of land and taxes would be cheaper.

Does it really matter what you call it? Seriously, you are gonna hold that against them? It's just a word. And I don't think it's any skin off ur ***. Yes, I am going to hold it against them.

Oh yes, i forgot, we are forcing companies to make more products. And when companies make more products, it makes everything more expensive, right? This is almost as rediculous as your field cost argument. This is simple. If there was no market for it, if companies were loesing money on it, if they had to drive up the price of other products to compensate for their losses, then they wouldnt make it. It's that simple. Why make a product that is costing you money? This instead proves that milsim is making money, and if anything, lowering your prices. Demand forces companies who want to be competitve to make more products. And making more products raises costs against the board, because it means more facilities, more workers, more machines. Do prices always rise? No. Prices stay where they are instead of dropping.

So please, think for a second about your logic (or lack there of). It doesnt make sense. It just doesnt, make, sense. So dont talk to me about "piss poor arguments."

Hey, I think there's an enemy patrol coming up. You should radio to your squad commander to get Bravo team and some gunships inbound!!

Joe_Mamma518

10-14-2004, 07:47 PM

You only need to re-read your posts. Maybe even the responses. I see no reason to repeat what has been said

So in other words, you have no proof, and you want me to go find some for you.

I got into paintball by playing in the woods. We didn't play Delta Force vs. Navy Seals, we played CTF in an area that happened to be wooded. Seems like most other people got into it not wanting to be special commando in charge of demolitions..

That's not the point. The point is you can't have it both ways. You cant say it drives people away, without it bringing people in.

Having an expensive setup absolutley deters you from using it outside of paintball-- cops take your gun if you get caught. I'm not risking hours and hours of my hard work to buy my gun and then more and more hours of my time tinkering with it.. but the guys with the $130 Tippmann don't really have to think that way, that's 1/2 a week's paycheck.

But could't speedballers have cheap guns? You are trying to defend a point that is clearly wrong. People who want to use a marker to vandalize will. It's that simple. It doesn't matter who they are, or what they do. They are just that type of person.

Completely blame? No. But if all that was needed was 3 acres of land as opposed to 20, prices would be down because the cost of land and taxes would be cheaper.

You seem to not understand that companies will only do things if it makes them money. (with very few acceptions) If the 20 acres of land is costing them more money than it's making, then they would cut it down to the 3.

Yes, I am going to hold it against them.

You can do that, but it does nothing for your argument.

Demand forces companies who want to be competitve to make more products. And making more products raises costs against the board, because it means more facilities, more workers, more machines. Do prices always rise? No. Prices stay where they are instead of dropping.

That doesnt make sense. So the bigger a company gets, the more it loeses? The bigger it gets the more everything costs, yes. But it also makes more money to balance that out. But newer and more efficient machines lower their overall costs, and therefore, their products cost less.

You obvioulsy don't understand how a busness runs. In order for it to run, it has to make money. If something is costing more money than it is makeing, then it will cut that out. And milsim hasnt been cut out, so it must be making money

teufelhunden

10-14-2004, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Joe_Mamma518

So in other words, you have no proof, and you want me to go find some for you. I'm saying there's no reason to repeat what's already been said.

That's not the point. The point is you can't have it both ways. You cant say it drives people away, without it bringing people in. I didn't say it drives people away. I said it gives the sport a negative image. Which is bad when every time you see something about some 10 year old shooting a car.. because everybody thinks commandos training to take Washington.

But could't speedballers have cheap guns? You are trying to defend a point that is clearly wrong. People who want to use a marker to vandalize will. It's that simple. It doesn't matter who they are, or what they do. They are just that type of person. Speedballers.. don't. ROF comes with decent guns. Speedballers who drop a summer worth of work on a gun aren't going to risk it to shoot some cars.

You seem to not understand that companies will only do things if it makes them money. (with very few acceptions) If the 20 acres of land is costing them more money than it's making, then they would cut it down to the 3. Companies cater to the demand. If demand is for milsim, they'll put up a field. I never said they run the field at a loss-- they don't, because the levy the extra cost on all players, not just the ones using the extra 17 aces.

You can do that, but it does nothing for your argument. ..c1..

That doesnt make sense. So the bigger a company gets, the more it loeses? The bigger it gets the more everything costs, yes. But it also makes more money to balance that out. But newer and more efficient machines lower their overall costs, and therefore, their products cost less. You are truly dense when it comes to business. The company is not losing money because they are raising prices/not lowering them when they could. Learn to READ. For Christ's sake, isn't that fundamental on the Internet?

..wait, you must spend all your time at ABS and EBaum's watching the Flash..

You obvioulsy don't understand how a busness runs. In order for it to run, it has to make money. If something is costing more money than it is makeing, then it will cut that out. And milsim hasnt been cut out, so it must be making money [color=red]I don't understand? Right. I said nothing about something costing more than it's making; I'm saying it raises the company's cost, which they make up for via my pockets.

If you respond to this post, READ AND COMPREHEND THE DAMN THING. I'm about 3 seconds from having a Cliche moment and e-beating you for being ILLITERATE.

And use the spell check so you can at least fake said literacy..

Joe_Mamma518

10-14-2004, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by teufelhunden

You are truly dense when it comes to business. The company is not losing money because they are raising prices/not lowering them when they could. Learn to READ. For Christ's sake, isn't that fundamental on the Internet?

I only have time to respond to this, ill respond to the rest later. I still dont understand what you are trying to say!!!! In your post you said:

"Demand forces companies who want to be competitve to make more products. And making more products raises costs against the board, because it means more facilities, more workers, more machines. Do prices always rise? No. Prices stay where they are instead of dropping."

I will make this clear. I am trying to argue that milsim makes money. You tried to say that milsim ends up costing money, and therefore the companies had to raise the prices on their other stuff. I said that doesnt make sense. If any part of a company is loesing money, that part is useless, and therefore will be discontinued. All right now..... do you understand that?

If not.. then read, and re-read it until you do. For god sakes, please try to understand that, and if im misunderstanding your stance on the argument, then tell me. What i understand is that you think milsim costs companies money, and that cost raises the price of other products? Is that true, or not? If its true then maybe you can understand my argument. Ortherwise, my mistake.

Originally posted by teufelhunden

And use the spell check so you can at least fake said literacy..

Thats funny.

4THDEGREE

10-14-2004, 08:35 PM

So mode, after getting caught once again in the whirlpool of debate between paintball camps, have you had a chance to finish that suit yet?

mode

10-14-2004, 09:34 PM

hahahhah :D I find this very hilarious. Most ppl get flamed here for telling their opinions. And all I now wanted was some ideas for my ghilliesuit (btw I'm not calling myself a sniper just because I make a ghilliesuit), and comments, that's this board idea right? There should really be a forum:

pbreview.com Forums / General Forums / Flaming for the ppl that really need to do something stupid when they have nothing else to do.

And yeah, the mask is almost done ^^ I attached one leave to it too, yay :P I'm gonna paint it this weekend, the "thing-on-the-top-of-the-mask" atleast :)

mode

10-14-2004, 09:36 PM

o_0 and yea, I know there's and edit button but I didn't get onto it so

yes, the most ppl get into speedball by FIRST playing woodsball. And I really don't get it why speedballers hate woodsballers? And then post about it here..

Here in Finland, ( I know I know it's Finland) nobody flames anyone. Not like: "I runned there in the woods with ma angel, then teh 1337 snipah with his ****ing n00b-ghilliesuit shot me"

We play with humour, just as it is supposed to be
we grill sausages, we drink kalja (beer), we jjust play for fun

PMI-guy

10-14-2004, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by teufelhunden
Demand forces companies who want to be competitve to make more products. And making more products raises costs against the board, because it means more facilities, more workers, more machines. Do prices always rise? No. Prices stay where they are instead of dropping Your stupidity and lack of buisness knowledge makes me sick! It is a simple economics LAW that competition lowers prices, and high supply lowers prices. The fact that more models of markers are being released encourages the idea of competitive pricing AND competitive service and support. Plus, in reality what drives up the prices for equipment is the SPEEDBALLERS who are willing to spend rediculous amounts of money on their markers. People are willing to spend that so why should they lower it? Your arguments and your grasp on buisness goes about as far as your tiny pecker. You don't know what you are talking about.

teufelhunden

10-15-2004, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by PMI-guy
Your stupidity and lack of buisness knowledge makes me sick! It is a simple economics LAW that competition lowers prices, and high supply lowers prices. The fact that more models of markers are being released encourages the idea of competitive pricing AND competitive service and support. Plus, in reality what drives up the prices for equipment is the SPEEDBALLERS who are willing to spend rediculous amounts of money on their markers. People are willing to spend that so why should they lower it? Your arguments and your grasp on buisness goes about as far as your tiny pecker. You don't know what you are talking about.

Ooooh, here we go, try and attack my dick size in a paintball argument!

I bow down to the footlong you've got between your legs!!

You made my point above. High supply lowers prices. Supply will lower if a company does not build another facility to produce more products; therefore, the supply is lower. And if they build a new factory/outsource/whatever, the price goes up.

The difference between speedballers money and milsimmers money is our money goes towards your performance, yours goes to make your A-5 look like an M-4.

Zorath

10-15-2004, 04:35 AM

Originally posted by mode
I'm gonna paint it this weekend, the "thing-on-the-top-of-the-mask" atleast :)

A visor?

4THDEGREE

10-15-2004, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by mode

We play with humour, just as it is supposed to be
we grill sausages, we drink kalja (beer), we jjust play for fun

Sounds like a new beer to try. You will have post new pics when you get it done. Be curious to see your marker set up as well.

Sounds like a good tailgate party. Hmmm, beer, food, scandinavian women, and paintball. Sounds like field trip time!

mode

10-15-2004, 08:57 AM

:D:D:D Yeah, Finnish women :love: Swedish are nicer though :P

Kalja means Beer :) It's Finnish ^^

ye, we have our own company that rents out guns etc.

http://disko.irc-galleria.net/00/07/57/49/3994368.jpg

4THDEGREE

10-15-2004, 09:00 AM

Enough kalja and they are all fine!

Joe_Mamma518

10-15-2004, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by teufelhunden

You made my point above. High supply lowers prices. Supply will lower if a company does not build another facility to produce more products; therefore, the supply is lower. And if they build a new factory/outsource/whatever, the price goes up.

I am damn tired but if i read that corectly you just contradicted yourself in two sentences. First you say high supply lowers prices, and the supply will lower if the company doesnt build another factory (meaning when supply is lower, the price goes up). In the next sentence you say if they build a new factory, (which means more supply) then the price goes up. How does that make any sense? It doesnt. If when the supply goes down, the price goes up, then when the supply goes up, the price goes down. You are trying to say that when they build a new factory, the price goes up, along with the supply... and that my friend, doesnt make any sense. You dont make any sense....

I dont believe that even you understand your comments. So next time you post, make sure what you are saying has at least a very small bit of reasoning behind it.

PBallWonder

10-15-2004, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by teufelhunden
Joe_Momma: You really make piss poor arguments that even you should be able to see the contradictions in. So you can do that yourself.

Speedballers dislike milsimmers for a number of reasons. I'll be kind and list them for you.

Milsimmers play army. That's what people think of when they think of paintball. People then think we're terrorists in training. That's why when you say you ball, you get a look.
More newbs tend to be/want to be milsimmers than speedballers. Therefore, they have crappy guns. Guns that they didn't spend much on or care much about. They're the ones driving around shooting houses and toddlers. Not the speedballers with the $1200 setup.
Your game takes up a ****load of land. Therefore, any field that wants to have both woods/milsim and speedball has to buy a lot of land. Raises the cost for the speedballers.
Milsimmers fail to realize that no matter what you say about "being a scout" or "shooting from a concealed position," there are no snipers in paintball.
You all want mock silencers, stocks, etc. for your guns. Nothing that enhances performance and it's just stupid. Therefore, companies need to make more products, meaning higher costs for everything else because they need to retool for each line. Legit. products are therefore more expensive.

That said, I've taken part in scenarios. Hope to play some when I'm back home again this summer. But I play paintball, not war. I'm out there to shoot faces, not lie on my fat gut for 3 hours.

Also, if you want to go and play woodsball, I take no issue with that. Just keep your sights, lasers, silencers, and bipods at home.

The only true thing in there is that it takes alot of land.

Mil sim doesent raise prices of anything else. i dont see dye or WPG raising their prices because armotech came out with a new sniper or what not. the only WGP sniper is the pump. and it doesent raise prices of nything else. i bet if i opende a speed ball field, i would charge just as much as a field with speedball, woods, rec, ext.... and alot of people would. because they can. if dye made their dm5 10000$ people would still buy it.

teufelhunden

10-15-2004, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Joe_Mamma518

I am damn tired but if i read that corectly you just contradicted yourself in two sentences. First you say high supply lowers prices, and the supply will lower if the company doesnt build another factory (meaning when supply is lower, the price goes up). In the next sentence you say if they build a new factory, (which means more supply) then the price goes up. How does that make any sense? It doesnt. If when the supply goes down, the price goes up, then when the supply goes up, the price goes down. You are trying to say that when they build a new factory, the price goes up, along with the supply... and that my friend, doesnt make any sense. You dont make any sense....

I dont believe that even you understand your comments. So next time you post, make sure what you are saying has at least a very small bit of reasoning behind it.

Let me clarify for your tired mind: High supply of one item will drop the price. If I have 4 million Timmy bodies, I can sell them cheaper than you can if you have 17. Simply because I need to sell at less of a profit to cover my costs. This holds true for companies as well, but within the products. 17 Timmy bodies + 32 A-5 Car stocks + 14 STO Rams + 50 Spyders doesn't equal high supply overall; it may equal high supply of Spyders and Car stocks, but that will not affect the price of the Timmy bodies.. unless the price on the items in high supply goes up to cover the additional cost. If you need more, take econ 101.

And PBallwonder: Is Milsim not playing Aemy? Do most newbs not think they're going to be like Rangers in Black Hawk Down? Don't start on snipers. And of course, silencers and stocks make your gun perform better, right? :rolleyes:

I'm done here, I get sick of repeating myself when people continue to not understand simple principles.

Calebd2

10-15-2004, 11:17 AM

I just wanted to point out here

Teuf > all

That is all.

PMI-guy

10-15-2004, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by teufelhunden

You made my point above. High supply lowers prices. Supply will lower if a company does not build another facility to produce more products; therefore, the supply is lower. And if they build a new factory/outsource/whatever, the price goes up.

The difference between speedballers money and milsimmers money is our money goes towards your performance, yours goes to make your A-5 look like an M-4.

Alright I can't even respond to this, seeing as it is HUGELY contradictory. Instead of arguing about something YOU barely understand, I will simply say this: In reality, no milsim markers affect the prices of speedball markers considering the fact that they are not really in direct competition. If anything drives the prices of speedball markers up or down it is other speedball companies and DEMAND. You are willing to pay the money, they are willing to charge it. If every single speedballer quit buying any high end marker and picked up a mid range cocker or something then the companies would either drop their prices or focus on the mid range market. Plus, there is also factors like lawsuits (IE smartparts) that drive the prices up. You thinking milsim makes any of the speedball products more expensive is just rediculous really.

One more thing, I shoot a cocker, not an A-5, and that being said I don't think I have ever seen an A-5 go for 1000 bucks USD.

Jaster

10-15-2004, 12:36 PM

What the hell is wrong with you people? This guy asked for tips on his suit. Now I know I've already said that this isn't a debate and most you arguing don't have a clue to what the hell you're talking about. Unless you've made one or used one you pretty don't know anything about them. You don't like them, good for you. Shut you mouth because no one here asked. Now I've worn a suit before many times. I still do from time to time when the situation calls for it. Some one call me a newb. You'll be gone before the words pass you lips. Then you can meet me in the woods and we'll see as I sneak up and tap you. These things do in fact work in the woods, it does in fact make it harder to see you, you don't HAVE to sit and camp when you wear one, and not everyone who does wear one is a newb or deserves to be put down by a bunch of snot nosed punks without a clue.
I've been playing for over 15 years, which is longer then most of you fools have been peeing standing upright. Rec ball is the root of paintball. FACT. So all you stuck up speedballers should be grateful. If it wasn't for rec ball you wouldn't have this little sport. You don't like rec? Good for you. You don't have to. You rec ballers are no better. You don't like speedball, same to you...you don't have to. I am not, however, going to allow any more of this spamming and flaming crap over who's better. The time has come where you guys are GOING to start showing a little respect towards each other. Rec WAS here first. Speedball is a spinoff of rec ball. Get over it, it's a fact. Rec ballers, speedball brought paintball into the mainstream lime light. You owe them for that. Half the neat little toys you have now is from the R&D for speedball. You get to reap the benefits of that.
Now I'm pretty sure you guys all know flaming is not allowed here. So here's the warning to everyone of you. Next one to flame goes away for good. Some of you guys need to seriously grow up. Anyone have a problem with this feel free to PM either myself, another Super, or Admin.

Mode, you want to talk more about your suit let me know. It appears that no one else here seems to have anything useful to say.

CLOSED.