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[freehand]

I was looking for other reviews to compare to the ones on pbreview when i came across this.
I agree 110% with the person that wrote this story, we DO NOT need paintball to become a harmful sport.
And we can thank smart parts with their new gun THE NERVE with ramping tech for starting this new craze of possible harmful guns.
I LOVE PAINTBALL!!! i do not want to have to worry about my goggles getting busted by a ball flying into my goggles at way over 300 FPS i think this is a very serious matter and actions must be taken ASAP if it calls for discontinuing the NERVE and DEMANDING a RECALL then i'm all for it.
Smart Parts has really gone too far this time.

please read this story.
and post you're opinions
http://paintball.com/features/story.cfm?placementID=3381&aid=2285&clickon=DB

[clown_13_2001]

The nerve's ramping doesn't up its fps, just the bps.:P

SHORTEN YOUR SIG!!!

[slushii]

What clown said . It does nothing to the velocity.

[STO Balla 22]

The Nerve won't be recalled, there's no centralized paintball rule committee that's going to make it be recalled. Sure, it could be banned from the NPPL or other leagues (which is unlikely), but they can't force Smart Parts to stop making it. As long as the markers are tested by people/the robot before they're used, velocity ramp can be checked for as well as bps ramp. I really don't know why companies would include it because I think it's rediculous, but you'd have to ask them.
And yes Clown, some markers do have ramping fps...or so I've heard...:eyes:
EDIT: WOOT 3000TH POST! :party:

[freehand]

Two things, their are mods you can do to the board to increse the dwell as it fires and some people have donethings like this to e-blades too,
i believe i've also heared soemthing about this being done to dm4's and matrix.

we don't need this kinda of stuff happening i think it's very serious...

[CapnCrunch]

Smart Parts may put a patent on ramping boards, but there were plenty of others before them.

Sounds like you're just looking for more reasons to bash SP...

[freehand]

no actually i like smart parts guns, i love shockers, i've shot them many many times at the field i go to, but it seems they are always pulling stuff in the indsutry like ridiculous lawsuits and such...
seems they are trying anything to win back their customers that left them because of their defunct moral values.

truth is, i 'm worried about things like this.
even the best goggles werent made to take 30 balls in less than 2 seconds in the same spot at even 310 fps.
this IS NOT a cool thing to be messing around with when some person eyesight or life could be on the line

[Yakb0]

a few of the All Americans (Smart Parts factory team) drew some attention when their Shockers fired in a very distinctive pattern, "pop! pop! popopopop!" Quietly, and quickly, there were whispered allegations that they had a secret way to get the Shocker to fire fully automatic in violation of the tournament rules.

and this is back in 1998 (http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/turbo/index.shtml)

[STO Balla 22]

Honestly, there is a certain danger with these kinds of boards. In fact, the owner of the field I play it is good friends with Todd Martinez. He was unscrewing his barrel with his marker pointed up. Since his trigger pull was so small, and he had left his marker on accidentally, the marker fired three times, the first two shots hit him in the bottom of the mask and knocked it off, and the third hit him right in the bottom of his nose and right under his eye. While that may not relate exactly to the point we're discussing, things of that nature have happened to great players such as Todd Martinez. Ramping BPS is one thing that I think is alright if it's used in moderation (although that's a very fine line and needs to be decided by the situation at hand), but not ramping FPS at any time.

[mopo-85]

Umm ramping is nothing new. There isent a proteam out there that does not use ramping boards. Quite simpally everyone has them and if you dont your getting beat on out there. There are also boards than can ramp your valosity too. Once again once you get into the pros you need every edge leagal or not. Your playing to win nothing else. Higher fps = flatter shots = better accuracry. Higher bps = more paint shot = better chace of getting a opponint out. And they will comtinue to use these cheater boards untill there is a foolproof way to stop them. The nppl's robot is a good start but it has only caught the redz hurracains and I cant garuntee you there not the only team with cheater boards.

[STO Balla 22]

Higher fps = flatter shots = better accuracry
Only until a certain point. Most people actually find that their marker shoots better under the legal chrono limit. Take a trip to the Kingman Forums, people will be complaining about how inaccurate their marker is shooting. When you ask them to chrono it, they find out that it was sent to them shooting 325fps+. Then when they turn it down their marker shoots much better.

[teufelhunden]

If you think EBlades can be used to induce velocity ramp on a 'Cocker, you have zero idea how a 'Cocker works.


The only time ramping velocity matters is in a bunker situation.. and ramping implies that it goes up the more you shoot-- your first shot is still 300. And I'd bet that the second and third aren't at 350. So it doesn't matter. If you're running into a stream of paint, even if it was fired at 350, it's almost definitley below 300 by that paint. People don't realize how quickly paint decelerates after it leaves the barrel.

Some guns will increase the dwell of the first shot to relieve bolt stick, a major cause of FSDO. So the increased dwell time there will have no effect on velocity, because it was going to be low, and with ABS it's where it should be, not 500 fps.

That said, the rule is 300, so I play at 300.

As for ramping BPS, I don't care. If it's a problem for you, don't play speedball.

[STO Balla 22]

As for ramping BPS, I don't care. If it's a problem for you, don't play speedball.
I agree with Teuf on that one. If I'm just at practice and I'm playing against my own team, then I might turn my Debounce up if everyone else does. I'd rather not waste my own team if we're just getting some practice in, but if everyone agrees that we can bounce and ramp then I'll do it. At tourneys, I'll do whatever I can get away with. If the person putting the tourney on does not specifically state something in their rules, then why not do it? It's not cheating if the rules don't say you can't do it. Given, most fairly large tournaments do have a rule about ramp and bounce, but even if they do, I'll get as close to bouncing as possible without my marker being illegal.

[mopo-85]

Originally posted by STO Balla 22

Only until a certain point. Most people actually find that their marker shoots better under the legal chrono limit. Take a trip to the Kingman Forums, people will be complaining about how inaccurate their marker is shooting. When you ask them to chrono it, they find out that it was sent to them shooting 325fps+. Then when they turn it down their marker shoots much better.

That would be due to the fact it is a blow back marker. the Faster it shoot the more it has to blow out the faster the bolt moves. there for more blowback there for more gun movement. and now that bad co. switched to primals there are no pros useing blow backs.

*disclaimer* I only think thats how spyders work...

[Hmmm Donut]

Why does this matter.
Paintball mask are tested alot higher than a paintball marker shoots. I think they test them at like 400fps right.

So if your mask is in good condition you should have no problems.

[teufelhunden]

Originally posted by freehand


thats like crashing one airplane intpo the world trade center it would have damaged it but two made it crash down.

Edit that out of your post. Now.

[freehand]

i find nothign wrong with talking about 9/11, it was a truly unfortunate day for us americna,s but that dosn't mean we can't talk about it.

if you find it offensive then don't come into this thread. it's that simple, if you're agaisnt foul language and don't want to submit you'reself to it but the movie you want to see that is rated R has hundreds of uses for tons of swear words then do you see the movie? thats what i'm saying to you about being offended, listen i don't want you to think i have no regard for america because that isn't true infact i am very politically active.

[ace6160]

Originally posted by freehand



. thats like crashing one airplane intpo the world trade center it would have damaged it but two made it crash down.



Get that out now. You should be banned for that.


This is not a serious issue. If it ever becomes one, it will be addressed then and there.

[Hmmm Donut]

Teuf is right like always. Edit that.

How can you compare WTC tragedy to paintball.


And like i said all mask are tested up to higher fps. They will not break or crack. These cheater boards only increase fps slightly every shot. But anything over 330fps is noticeably in a game so i doubt anyone is stupid to go that high.

And you are making to much of a deal out of this. You shoot a T.E.S i doubt you play in any serious tourney so calm down.

[freehand]

i've competed before,
i'm not concerened about torneys thoughg, i bet most peeps follwo rules in them i'm concerened about rec-play when someone shows up to a field has their rebound all the way up walks onto a speedbal lcourt and starts really hurting people

if i am banned then that is clearly what the ADMIN not you thinks is just.
just the same as i see nothing wrong with talking about WTC

[Forest Spyder]

I truely wonder how many teams have ramping dwell boards. First off, if you shoot a ball at 350 FPS, most likely you'll get reduction in accuracy and probably break a ball.

More practical to just ramp your ROF.

[teufelhunden]

You don't wanna go into patriotism/etc. with Jaster, you won't win. And he has a ban button. So watch what you say, punk.

[Hmmm Donut]

Originally posted by freehand
i've competed before,
i'm not concerened about torneys thoughg, i bet most peeps follwo rules in them i'm concerened about rec-play when someone shows up to a field has their rebound all the way up walks onto a speedbal lcourt and starts really hurting people

if i am banned then that is clearly what the ADMIN not you thinks is just.
just the same as i see nothing wrong with talking about WTC

You got it backwards. REc-ball players play by the rules becuase they gain only respect by winning. Tourney players cheat becuase money is on the line.

And you are out of line saying that about WTC.

[freehand]

Originally posted by teufelhunden
You don't wanna go into patriotism/etc. with Jaster, you won't win. And he has a ban button. So watch what you say, punk.

i wasn't going into anything with jaster.
he didn't say anything to me, plus
not all rec ballers play nice... their are some people at the field i go to that crank the fps real high and it hurts alot

[Hmmm Donut]

"crank the fps real high and it hurts alot"

Well i dunno tell a ref instead of complaining. If refs does nothing about it talk to the owners. At my field you half to test you FPS before every game.
And it is suppose to hurt it is paintball for god sakes.

I doubt you have been hit with a ball that was fired at 350fps+. Got shot in the shoulder and elbow by this kid that was shooting way high. WHen i saw the bloody welt on my arm. I was about to kick this kids *** if he didn't chrono his marker.
When he got it chrono a loud beep came with the bright 341 on the chrono.