""Focker""

[Picasso21]

Whats the deal with people calling every autococker thats not Wgp "FOCKERS" . I'm really talking about the Dragun autocockers but this goes for any other "Focker". Its the same type of shooting method. Ok so it doesn't take wgp ups but why would it, its totally different companies. I also realize that its mainly the people that have so called "REAL AUTOCOCKER". Why should someone get bashed for not having a $400+ gun. The same goes for "Spyder Clones".

now don't get me wrong, there are some real pathetic guns out there but don't bash them.




:wave:

[STO Balla 22]

Most of the companies that make Fockers don't use WGP bodies, and if they don't they can't actually call them Autocockers due to copyright laws. In fact, WGP is suing/has sued many companies for doing just that. So instead of being stupid and getting sued, some companies produce markers that work the exact same way as Cockers, but WGP doesn't get any of the money.

[|GB|]

Originally posted by STO Balla 22
Instead they make them work the exact same way, but WGP doesn't get any of the money.



In other words, company's like Dragon and System X are ripping off WGP. :tdown:

[STO Balla 22]

Yeah, but Sissy X doesn't use the name anymore, they were bad boys and used the name without permission.

[|GB|]

Originally posted by STO Balla 22
Yeah, but Sissy X doesn't use the name anymore, they were bad boys and used the name without permission.


Really? What company are they ripping off now?

[STO Balla 22]

They aren't, surprisingly.
Instead of the System X Vengeance 2.39r80329487023843 type R Autococker, they are now called the the System X Vengeance 2.39r80329487023843 type R Marker.

[GranDream]

Originally posted by Picasso21
now don't get me wrong, there are some real pathetic guns out there but don't bash them.



Tell that to the people who insist on bashing in the BE forums...

[[Infusion]BigC]

I don't call it a Focker to bash on it.

I call it a Focker because... well, that's what it is. It's a fake Cocker. A Focker.

It's alright, I mean I'd play with some Fockers, and I'd do it wearing my Foakleys.

[chris220]

i use a focker, and really dont feel a difference between my system x and a wgp vert feed. Except for the damn plastic valve which is easy enough to replace.

[painterballer]

i think people that whine and complain about people bashing "fockers" are "feople"......quit your whining, and get used to bashing, its part of life.

EDIT: pansy.......

[Picasso21]

Originally posted by painterballer
i think people that whine and complain about people bashing "fockers" are "feople"......quit your whining, and get used to bashing, its part of life.

EDIT: pansy.......

what "cocker" do you have.

[radishboy]

Originally posted by STO Balla 22
They aren't, surprisingly.
Instead of the System X Vengeance 2.39r80329487023843 type R Autococker, they are now called the the System X Vengeance 2.39r80329487023843 type R Marker.

they should call it the "system X Vengeance 2.39r80329487023843 type R reverse blazer."

[Picasso21]

whats with all the #'s
:laugh:

[STO Balla 22]

For some reason System X likes to put numbers at the end of their markers that already have long names, like the Vengeance 2.0, I just wanted to make a joke out of it.

[chinesebugrepel]

Originally posted by painterballer
i think people that whine and complain about people bashing "fockers" are "feople"
clever :rolleyes:

[painterballer]

Originally posted by Picasso21


what "cocker" do you have.

i have a orange custom cocker

AIM battle axe trigger frame
AIM reg
black custom cocking rod
AIM delrin bolt
Orracle pneumatics
04 stock barrel
outcast body (orange)
clamping feedneck(orange)
and one of tose intimidator micro drops.....

Originally posted by chinesebugrepel

clever :rolleyes:

it took me like 5 minutes to think of it thou.....

[professor_josh]

We all know that fockers are innacurate and only shoot half as far! Freakin' nubs :rolleyes: .

[teufelhunden]

Originally posted by painterballer


i have a orange custom cocker

AIM battle axe trigger frame
AIM reg
black custom cocking rod
AIM delrin bolt
Orracle pneumatics
04 stock barrel
outcast body (orange)
clamping feedneck(orange)
and one of tose intimidator micro drops.....


No, no, you don't have a custom 'Cocker.

You have an Outkast with Orracle pneus, a subpar reg, and a crappy barrell.

[STO Balla 22]

No, but people like me who have seen people that have them know that they're slower, overpriced, unreliable, and have lower tolerances than real, WGP approved Cockers.
After a month of having his System X, my friend had already replaced the horrible barrel and reg. Then it kept coming untimed because the lug was bad. His bolt was bent and would barely fit. He sold it after having it for 2 months and paying $650 for it. He took very good care of it, we always clean our markers together.

[painterballer]

Originally posted by teufelhunden


No, no, you don't have a custom 'Cocker.

You have an Outkast with Orracle pneus, a subpar reg, and a crappy barrell.

oops, my bad, i forgot about the stickers of ur mom on my hopper, O and u forgot the trigger frame, and what is ur definition of "custom", custom cars are just normal cars with a lot of aftermarket parts on them, so my guns custom, and u dont frickin mil a car to make it custom! so in my definition my cocker is custom.

[STO Balla 22]

A marker is custom when either you build it entirely from parts your ordered separately, or buy a marker like you did, and upgrade everything but the body. Much of your marker is still stock, therefore by most people's standards, is not "custom". You at least need a new body for your marker to be called custom.
By the way, the "your mom" comment was stupid, and wasn't needed either.

[painterballer]

my bad, sorry about that. it started out as an 04 stock, so in a way i did get a new body, but anyway i am planing on getting the AIM eagle body, but i dont want to pay to get it anoed orange.

[teufelhunden]

Originally posted by painterballer


oops, my bad, i forgot about the stickers of ur mom on my hopper, O and u forgot the trigger frame, and what is ur definition of "custom", custom cars are just normal cars with a lot of aftermarket parts on them, so my guns custom, and u dont frickin mil a car to make it custom! so in my definition my cocker is custom.

A custom gun is a one-off that is blatantly a one-off.

A custom car is a one-off that is blatantly a one-off.

Your Civic with 14k worth of plastic and stickers isn't custom, it's a Civic with 14k worth of plastic and stickers.

My Timmy that has only the body and a couple internals stock is not custom. It's a classic Timmy with a Clammy, a Ti Boomy, yadda yadda.


You can add all the production bodies you want, it still isn't custom. It's an Outkast, or an AIM focker.. it doesn't matter, it isn't custom.

[painterballer]

whatever dude, heck, i can take my pencil and carve some little marks in it and call it custom.....dude custom is whatever u want it to be.

[STO Balla 22]

Main Entry: cus·tom-built
Pronunciation: 'k&s-t&m-'bilt
Function: adjective
: built to individual specifications

From m-w.com, the other definitions didn't fit with what you're arguing about. So for future reference, there's the definition.

dude custom is whatever u want it to be
OK, so in a month or two when I get a Switch kit and grips for my Timmy, it will be custom, right?

[CapnCrunch]

Originally posted by STO Balla 22

From m-w.com, the other definitions didn't fit with what you're arguing about. So for future reference, there's the definition.


OK, so in a month or two when I get a Switch kit and grips for my Timmy, it will be custom, right?


You just contradicted yourself....But still a marker shouldn't be "custom" unless you either build it from scratch, and even if you put like a custom body on the marker, you still have a *insert company* marker w/ a custom body.

[Picasso21]

B.O.T

[STO Balla 22]

I was being sarcastic...

[CapnCrunch]

I meant you contradicted yourself because the m-w definition and the other kids definition were almost identical...

[STO Balla 22]

built to individual specifications
So you're saying that everything he has everything on his marker that he wants? Those would be his individual specifications.

[CapnCrunch]

No, not everything, but he has upgraded parts, of his choosing, of his individual specifications, to put on his marker. He chose those parts because he felt that they served the purposes that he needed them for.

[STO Balla 22]

So then, by definition, his marker is not custom.
Unless he wants to post that his marker is exactly how he likes it and he wouldn't change anything even for free. Then he can say that it's custom.

[CapnCrunch]

Nowhere in the definition does it say that he has to have his marker finished upgrading

[STO Balla 22]

It says individual specifications, which means exactly how he wants it. Let's find the definition of specifications, shall we?

Main Entry: spec·i·fi·ca·tion
Pronunciation: "spe-s&-f&-'kA-sh&n, "spes-f&-
Function: noun
1 : the act or process of specifying
2 a : a detailed precise presentation of something or of a plan or proposal for something -- usually used in plural b : a statement of legal particulars (as of charges or of contract terms); also : a single item of such statement c : a written description of an invention for which a patent is sought


Main Entry: spec·i·fy
Pronunciation: 'spe-s&-"fI
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -fied; -fy·ing
Etymology: Middle English specifien, from Middle French specifier, from Late Latin specificare, from specificus
1 : to name or state explicitly or in detail
2 : to include as an item in a specification

The items that I made bold are the main points. For something to be custom, it has to fit your individual specifications, and to fit your specifications, everything has to be included in detail. That means that he has to have the grips he wants, the springs he wants, the ASA he wants, the body he wants, everything he wants. He wishes he had an AIM body, but he doesn't. Therefore the marker does not fall under his individual specifications. If it did, there would be nothing left to be desired. But there is, so his marker does not fit the definition of custom.

[[Infusion]BigC]

:tdown: This argument

[CapnCrunch]

Main Entry: spec·i·fi·ca·tion
Pronunciation: "spe-s&-f&-'kA-sh&n, "spes-f&-
Function: noun
1 : the act or process of specifying
2 a : a detailed precise presentation of something or of a plan or proposal for something -- usually used in plural b : a statement of legal particulars (as of charges or of contract terms); also : a single item of such statement c : a written description of an invention for which a patent is sought

[STO Balla 22]

OK, so for instance, down the road I'm planning on getting every after-stock part for my Timmy possible. Right now it's stock.
I guess it's custom then!
If you want to agree to that statement, go ahead, and I'll say that you're right. But I bet you can't do it honestly,

[CapnCrunch]

Yes, by definition you're right.

But the gun is custom, Webster's just a crackhead!

[mariners02]

this might have already been said but the main difference i see is that aftermaket parts arent garenteed to fit a focker like they are a wgp certified one

[xXniTemAreXx]

imo. Custom = nothing stock.

[chinesebugrepel]

IMO Custom built means it was built either by him or specifically for him according to his wants. If he bought the original gun from a store where it was already assembled and ready for sale, then it is not custom built.

I'm not sure if a custom gun and a custom built gun are the same thing, but I know that Infusion is right. This discussion is fairly worthless.

[Picasso21]

How did this turn into a big debate about the word "custom".:laugh:

[painterballer]

well i said that a "custom" cocker is better than a "focker", cuz with all the aftermarket parts they will preform better, and the teuf came along and being his usual self started bashing me about the word "custom" and then this massive E-argument erupted and now we are here

[teufelhunden]

Originally posted by painterballer
well i said that a "custom" cocker is better than a "focker", cuz with all the aftermarket parts they will preform better, and the teuf came along and being his usual self interjected logic and intelligence where it did not previously exist, then left, hoping the masses would either die or cease being ignorant

Fixed.

[painterballer]

:laugh: teuf.....it was almost dead.

[teufelhunden]

Originally posted by painterballer
:laugh: teuf.....it was almost dead.

It was, considering that you posted 12 minutes before I did.

[painterballer]

i had to answer the guys question.......