dwell issues

[ikey]

hey TPD, i need some help. alright, when i still had my cricket baord i had my dwell figured out. tehn i got a ND hammer asslembly with a SS rat hole hammer. i lower my dwell half a millisecond to 9 MS to increase efficency (which it did). however, it didnt do that much. i mnea the new internals were more efficient, but i felt like i could to more with my dwell. by now i have my WAS board, and while i was paintball yesturday, i lowered my dwell a full millisecond just for the heck of it. so now its at 8 MS. there is no difference in velocity. i raised it to 8.5 MS. no difference. so i put it back down to 8 and play a few more games. it seemed to quiet my gun down and increase efficency a bit more (mabe this was all in my head because i really wanted to see a change in performance). the thing that puzzles me is that i lowered my dwell alot and there was no difference in velocity. i expected it to lower. it did nothing. i am thinking that my dwell was so high that lowering it 1 MS didnt do anything. but you should have your dwell lower than 6 and i am at 8 right now. this kinda seems messed. my problem is that i just installed the RIP valve last night and i know that i will have to lower my dwell even more but it cant go much lower. so i am really confused. i never though that i would be having troubles with dwell, i feel really stupid. i couls just lower my pressure even more for the RIP valve, but i want effiency, so i figure i would lower my pressure about 10 psi, and then lower my dwell a little bit. but i dont want to lower my dwell to 6 or under. i figure your the only other one in here with WAS besides me, and mabe i am doing something wrong with the dwell. i have read the manual many times and i have ajusted every other setting right. please help me TPD.

[Awhislyle]

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[toothpastedog]

or just don't address on my ;)... but i'll let it slide :P

set your dwell to 6ms, and adjust your pressure accordingly. other than that, all you can do is just make sure everything is in perfect condition (all o-rings sealing properly and lubed).

[ikey]

well since you dont want your dwell below 6 ms, mneaing that 6ms is the line in which not to cross, wouldnt you want your dwell at like 7. it seems like 6 is really low. have u run a gun at 6 ms before?

[toothpastedog]

for a little while, one of my impulses was @ 6ms. 6 should would be fine-that is why they save do not go below 6, not do not go to 6, but 7 would work too.

[IwAnNaShOoTyOu]

i shoot imp at 6 ms and its fine.

[toothpastedog]

Originally posted by IwAnNaShOoTyOu
i shoot imp at 6 ms and its fine.

:nod: ah hah, living proof...:P

[The7thDragon]

at 6ms wat pressure are you shooting?

[IwAnNaShOoTyOu]

around 130-140, but i have an lpr, and a rip valve

[impypballer]

i have my pressure at around 170 and my dwell at 3 or 4 pushes up from the lowest (sorry don't know what milleseconds that is). is this normal?

[OSUARCHITECT]

I have w.a.s. and ND internals and my dwell is set at 6.5ms and my operating pressure is about 130.

[impypballer]

ok so mine's fine.

[OSUARCHITECT]

should be ok...

ok my slick shaft is broken in and my pressure is @ 120...and I'm chrono'ing at 290. That's nice.:)

[ikey]

well i belive that on a cricket baord the minimum is at 4 ms i think. so that would mean that you are at about 5. im pretty sure. doesnt the cricket baord go from 4-14 ms? i would raise it to 6 or over.

[toothpastedog]

Originally posted by Toothpastedog
The Stock Cricket board has a Dwell range of 4-14 milliseconds and is adjustable in .25 millisecond increments. This allows you to fine tune your Impulse.

beeps=dwell time (in milliseconds)
0 (the lowest)=4
1=4.25
2=4.5
3=4.75
4=5
8=6
12=7
20=9
28=11
36=13
40 (the highest)=14

[ikey]

yeah impyballer that would mnea that you are at 4.75-5 ms. i would raise it to 6, and lower your pressure a little.

[impypballer]

thanks, i'll change it next time i play, what is the lowest i should have my dwell?

[toothpastedog]

6ms

[IwAnNaShOoTyOu]

if u get the air soldier lp solenoid core spring cant u put the dwell lower?

[toothpastedog]

i believe so, but you can only use that solenoid with a very good lpr. i strongly suggest not replacing the spring...

[Six Feet Under]

Everything on my Imp is stock, and I have my dwell set at 24 clicks, so that would be........ whatever it is. Good or no good?

[ikey]

thats 10 ms. it depends on your setup. with stock setup i gues you could lower it to like 9 maybe. but yeah thats about right. wait, what pressure are you runnig at with 24 clicks?

[toothpastedog]

10ms is perfectly fine-angels run at about 15ms

[ikey]

lets say an angel runs at 8 ms. lets say that you take timmys angels high end guns and lets just say they all have dwell times of 15 ms and above. you have the same laoder, same tank, same regs on all guns. all of the guns are fully upgraded. would that mean that hte impulse is the fastest one because of the lowest dwell time?

[toothpastedog]

if an impulse had a dwell of 8ms (.008 seconds), and an angel had a dwell of 15ms (.015 seconds), in theory (taken at face value) the impulse could fire 125 times a second (1/.008) and the angel could fire at 66.67bps (1/.015). can either gun do that? no. in the internal wieghts sticky and cycle times sticky i talk about all the forces/things that effect how fast a gun can physically cycle. dwell is not a big factor in cycle time (while it does sure make a difference; fore instance a spool valve gun, like the matrixes, have higher dwell time wihch means that it can only actually fire about 26bps-while dump valve style guns can get up to 40bps).