Thinking on 2nd gun..Spyder or cocker

[motofox77]

ok right now i got a tippmann 98c wit a couple up grades like barrel,trigger,drop,grips,etc... and im thinking on getting a new gun i was either thinking a electro spyder or a autococker..i dont know alot about each gun but i know some. i wont have alot of money maybe about $200(not sure) id kinda like to shoot some what fast

so..
spyder
or
Cocker

plz help a fellow baller out
thanks

[Radioman]

If you only have about $200 go with the Spyder. I won't have as much upgrades as the Autococker would, but nice enough for $200. You just playing Rec Ball should work fine.

[sain]

If you want to shoot osmewhat fast I would go with the spyder, a mech cocker is good, but no where near as fast as a electric spyder.

[amzng_spyderman]

think about it. you can either go from a blowback to another blowback, or from a blowback to a slower-but-better-in-the-long-run cocker. look into wgp's trilogy cockers, or scan ebay for some good deals.

[motofox77]

thanks
and im not really looking to play rec ball i kinda wanna get onto the feilds
yea mayb a spyder but if i got a cocker in time id like to eblade or worrblade it

but keep talking plz

[Gothmog]

I don't see any significant point to going from a 98c to a spyder. Save up for an autococker.

[slothman]

If your going cocker I would look into a VF instead of a Trilogy, but thats just me.

[paintballer42o]

Well, for a second gun, the cocker would be a wise desision. Try them both out, and see which one you like better.

[motofox77]

Thanks..
yea ive looked at the Trilogy and i dont like it a whole lot..

[motofox77]

From what i have been reading it seems everyones saying cocker....ok..but about what year should i get like 2k2 2k3 2k4???

[Kylejv1505]

2k3

[spyder_king06]

dont get a spyder. going from a tippy to spyder is just plain stupid IMO. Get the cocker. It will be a much better gun the long run.
It will save you from maybe even buying a cocker later on as an upgrade from a spyder.
Keep uou tippy until you save up enoiugh money to get urself a VF cocker. and then buy it and start upgrading it.

[HurleyHero67]

To echo, eliminate the Spyder from contention for a second marker. The only aspect you'll upgrade in is speed.

Besides cockers, don't be afraid to look at used automags, you can find some killer deals on them. I'd say check PBN for the most deals on cockers and automags.org/forums for mag deals.

[chris220]

2k3 Vf Cocker. then worrblade it

[banderson]

If you dont want the Trilogy because you can't Worrblade it....YOU CAN!!!!:love: I would totally recomed a trilogy to you they seem really nice built and it's just likr anyother cocker.

-cavebat

[motofox77]

ok.. about the auto mags whats so good about them..i dont know alot about automags.. plz help me a little more

thanks

[HurleyHero67]

Much like an autococker, it's a higher end mechanical marker that's highly upgradeable. It doesn't have nearly as many parts as the cocker so it's a bit easier to deal with, but since it has more parts, the cocker is also more customizable. If you're looking to go electro down the road, a cocker would be a smarter choice, because the Eblade it has available for sale is superior IMO to the mags electronic Hyperframe. However, the mag has a very original mechanical upgrade called the ULT that can make your fully mechanical trigger walkable with fine tuning. The mag also has a fully mechanical trigger coming out hopefully within the next year that will be as light as any electronic one. Just like a cocker, the mag upgrading options are endless. An anti-chop bolt that *gasp* actually helps a ton, ULE (Ultra Light Engineering) replacement parts that are better looking and lighter than the parts it replaces, etc etc. Now get your butt over to the Airgun Designs forum and read the stickies/ask more questions there.

[motofox77]

lol thanks..
ill go over there and look but i think im gonna go cocker cuz i wanna go electro later on...but im not sure what cocker i want ive been looking at the Prostock and 04 VF..but i really dont see a difference..

thanks for all the help

ill ask the Question about the difference between the Prostock and 04 VF in the Cocker fourm

[HurleyHero67]

Originally posted by motofox77

ill ask the Question about the difference between the Prostock and 04 VF in the Cocker fourm
No! :) You're a big boy, if you just want to know what parts the Prostock has that the VF doesn't, go to WGP's website or read the descriptions of the two on their marker pages here at PBR.

[amzng_spyderman]

might as well answer here and now. there is no difference. those are two different names for the exact same marker.

[motofox77]

thanks....
but.. just one more question...
Should i get a WGP cocker or is there somthing better (cocker wise)

thanks for all the help

[CockerGuyGary]

if you are willing to spent about $600 you could get a vert cocker already ebladed!

[Hekrill]

2k3 Imagine
Slasher trigger
Barrel
reloader
(when you get more money)
Tboard
Blck Magic reg
nd feedneck
other stuff

[nahthan]

Don't get a spyder if you already have a Tippman, they aren't what I would consider a step up. (that is worth the cash)
Go for a used Autococker, BKO, or a Mag.

[motofox77]

ok...thanks

[coolrazer]

Get a Cocker, Used Mag, or BKO

EDIT: Noitice we are all saying "cocker"

An autococker is made only by WGP. Any other kind of gun that works like an autococker but isn't made by WGP is just a focker. But to answer your question, WGP Cockers all the way.

[wablez]

heres an idea: get a Spyder victor, (or used 1 for less) and get "Zip Kit" or "The One kit" to make it electro like the Boblong Intimitadtors. Shoots 20bps:D

[motofox77]

yea i kinda changed the guns and i am not even looking at spyders anymore....its now like the guns r cocker,bushy or imp...

[mokalman]

Get an automag. I'm getting all the parts to one for 110.85. :tup: Everything except the revvy. Because I don't need a revvy. Oh, and I'm not getting the foregrip yet either.

[dyekid_11]

Get an autococker like mine if you are serious and is actually wanting to step it up and play in tourneys.

[YoBoneDaddy]

I'm currently saving for a ULT AutoMag RT Pro. It's $350 from Airgun Designs and comes with all the upgrades you'll end up buying if you get a used Mag (for less than it would cost to just buy the upgrades). However, that's just because I don't like the idea of having to tinker with a 'cocker. I also don't like the way they look. If these are not important to you go for the cocker they do shoot very nicely when they're timed well.

Here's an analogy for you:

I drive a Chevrolet Cavalier and I want to get a sports car, should I get a Pontiac Sunfire or a Mazda RX-8?

... is the equivalent of asking if you should go from a tippy to a spyder or a 'cocker lol.

[Phat Phill]

Originally posted by coolrazer
But to answer your question, WGP Cockers all the way.

Please dont just look in to wgp guns. in my expericane wgp makes overpriced and under delivering products. i am a proud former owner of a ANS GX-4 with RACE and can tell you it beat the **** out any wgp cocker. electro or not. So please look around Look to planet eclipse and nexus, Disruptive paintball, system x(maybe), turtle cockers and ANS guns to find the absoulte best gun for you

[motofox77]

yea some times wgp cockers r overpriced..
but wat do u think about the cockers dragun makes.. like the drallion ....

[Phat Phill]

I dont know i would stay away from the dragun guns my friend has one and it constantly breaks

[motofox77]

k
so over all wat do u all suggest...cuz i need a cheap gun some wat fast......kinda cheap...but some wat fast and accurate...and well build
thanks alot

[CockerGuyGary]

if thats what your lookin for then u already got it

[Eladamri]

New BKO around $300, Used BKO around $200, Used non vision impulse around $250. No marker is more accurate than another, accuracy is based on the barrel. Any one of those three can be found on ebay an on the Buy/sale/ trade forums here and on pbnation for around the prices I listed. For mech markers there are new 03 v/f cockers on ebay for under $250 shipped or there are always good deals on used automags with intelliframes for under $200. Any one of those should satisfy your needs. Go try some different markers at your local field, only you can decide what gun is best for you.

[motofox77]

k yea well i can just shoot my friend cocker...and im kinda short on cash...cuz i gotta buy some pants and jersey for our team...i just need a good speednall gun mainly..i like cockers but idk if its my best bet...

plz help me out a little more...

[chris220]

Originally posted by wablez
heres an idea: get a Spyder victor, (or used 1 for less) and get "Zip Kit" or "The One kit" to make it electro like the Boblong Intimitadtors. Shoots 20bps:D

Heh, a spyder will NEVER shoot like a timmy. EVER! nd you wont hit 20 bps without shooting your frontman in the back of the head because of shootdown

[lri2x97]

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just my 2 cents:)

[nahthan]

Now that I think about it, you could simply get a Palmer Pursuit Shop Blazer, or a CCM Series 5 Semiauto for about $400... I think.

[motofox77]

ok as we speek im lookin at cockers...so sraight up anything better for the money....no mags sry just not interested in them and idk about BKO's

and i still need got get pants and jersey for my team....so yea and alomst our whole team will be shooting cockers if i get on on persons just gonna be playing wit a uped a5
:laugh:
thanks for ur help

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

Originally posted by nahthan
Now that I think about it, you could simply get a Palmer Pursuit Shop Blazer, or a CCM Series 5 Semiauto for about $400... I think. Blazers start at $400, but you will want to add things on. Blazers are sweet, but I would only get one for rec play. If you are a serious tourny player, you will want the speed of an electro.

[motofox77]

so wat would u suggest....

[motofox77]

LAMANTEthePBguy for speed as u say wat would u suggest...
no mags
and not sure about bko
anyting else thats abotu the same price as a cocker for about 300 i guess

[CockerGuyGary]

wanna buy my cocker? serious...nice e2 cocker with ups...only 750

[motofox77]

750 is a bit high..need somthing to start off wit around the 300 range...
anyone got some suggestions
LAMANTEthePBguy suggested speed..but idk...help plz

[nahthan]

A used Angel LED or something with a double trigger frame, and mini-morlock.
Or a 'cocker (like a CCM series 5 Semi auto) that you eventually put an E-Kit on. (Race 'Blade, whatever you want, pretty much)
Or a BKO ... pretty much anything that isn't a "low end", really.

[motofox77]

seems a bit pricey to me but ill look into it...anyone else got some suggestions??
thanks

[YoBoneDaddy]

Evil Omen?

[motofox77]

that might work..the trigger looks weird to me tho...maybe the BKO idk tho...
can u walk a cocker??? and if u can cant u like only do about 10 max witout shortstroking and chopin??

thanks ppl
if u got anything else to say plz say it

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

Originally posted by motofox77
and not sure about bkoBKOs are good low end electros. If you are a serious tourny player, eventually you will want speed, but if you are just getting into it, a mech cocker wouldn't be too bad. You can always e-blade it later.

[YoBoneDaddy]

Nevermind... I read up on the omen a bit more and it sounds like it has some issues.

[motofox77]

yea im just getting into it...but like speedball would a cocker be good for that a mech cocker!! or should i get somthing fast right off the bat...

heres wat my teams shootin

uped a5
trilogey cocker
and me idk wat im getting but i got a uped 98c

so yea.....