why, smart parts, why?

[Diablo_blanco]

i just have to ask what smart parts were thinking when they made the nerve tournement illigal? why? lots of people spent 1k on a new gun that they cant use in tournies. what was the point in that?

[supernothing76]

sp = money wanting bad paintball company thats y i dont think the nerve is that good any way save your money can get a dm4 freestyle proto matrix those are way better and cost less!

[KingL]

.... the nerve is tourny legal because you have to take off the grip to change the modes, same as my dark and many other markers

[jedunnigan]

Yea the nerve is 100% tourney legal as long as you turn rebound off

[supernothing76]

still sux:laugh:

[jedunnigan]

That was intelligent

[Azn_Boy]

Originally posted by supernothing76
still sux:laugh:
Shut up....go back somewhere else where u dont hate

the nerve is 100% legal, all u gotta do is turn it into tourney mode in switch u press the on/off switch and press the dwell down until it stops and boom its in tourney mode in which there is no rebound at all

[munkypikkle]

you guys are flippin retarded! GOSH! dont be hatin aight....nppl is going full auto anyway, so when you go to a tournament just go to one that plays with modified nppl rules.

[yuik]

lets not forget about the amount of time you have to put into these guns to take care of em.

[jedunnigan]

Originally posted by yuik
lets not forget about the amount of time you have to put into these guns to take care of em.

Enlighten me, please.

[munkypikkle]

haha!!! thank you. this guy has been traversing from forum to forum bashing smart parts. i have two guys that play with nerves....not one of them has had to put ANY WORK INTO THEM BESIDES GETTING THE NEW BOLT BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO!!!! get....a....freakin....life.

[supernothing76]

hmm intresting:laugh:

[yuik]

ok lets just take the impulse. Use the brown paint they sell at rex-plex and see if your vision picks up anything. And ball breaks with other guns are not game ending. Just turn the eye off and shoot slower until the game i over. With an impulse you will be chopping like a lumberjack.

[supernothing76]

bo buy a bushy:D

[jedunnigan]

Originally posted by yuik
ok lets just take the impulse. Use the brown paint they sell at rex-plex and see if your vision picks up anything. And ball breaks with other guns are not game ending. Just turn the eye off and shoot slower until the game i over. With an impulse you will be chopping like a lumberjack.

Lets make this simple......just because the vision is reflective does not mean that it sucks. Yes once and awhile it will not see a certain color paint, but that is very unusual.

[yuik]

Originally posted by jedunnigan


Lets make this simple......just because the vision is reflective does not mean that it sucks. Yes once and awhile it will not see a certain color paint, but that is very unusual.

very unusual? Maybe its just me and the other 15 smart parts impulse users at my local field but whenever we use the green drakus, brown, blue proballs, green dynast, pmi black big balls, or black stinger paint the vision makes the impulse work like a 2004 autochopper.

[supernothing76]

lol where do you com up with this? your a funny kid:laugh:

[jedunnigan]

Originally posted by yuik


very unusual? Maybe its just me and the other 15 smart parts impulse users at my local field but whenever we use the green drakus, brown, blue proballs, green dynast, pmi black big balls, or black stinger paint the vision makes the impulse work like a 2004 autochopper.

Ok, well then you are either ussing some kind of ****ty electric hoppper or none at all. :/

know that reflective eyes measure an increase in voltage, which is easier to read when the absorbance is lower. Transmissives are the opposite; they measure a voltage decrease which occurs only when the object absorbs the light. For this reason, shorter wavelengths are harder to read in reflectives and easier to read in transmissives, and vice-versa. The problem is, boards only recognize a certain voltage range in order to tell when the ball has loaded or not. For instance, Smart Parts Vision is programmed to know that a ball loads when it senses anything between 1-3 volts. Every paintball ilicits a difference in voltage, however some might not translate to enough to trip the sensor. If it isn't enough of a difference, the ball won't be "seen" by the board. ydna

But blue and green are very easy to be seen by a reflective eye....i can see not black or brown.....but.

[supernothing76]

that could be the problem mostlikly is try re setting regs and lubing the gun :eek: that might come in shock but get some dow 33 and lube all the orings

[ShockerKid82]

What a bunch of morons. SP guns jsut need to clean:

1. Reg
2. Bolt
3. Spool
4. Gun other parts

its not much most guns have more..

[the Ydna]

Originally posted by yuik
very unusual? Maybe its just me and the other 15 smart parts impulse users at my local field but whenever we use the green drakus, brown, blue proballs, green dynast, pmi black big balls, or black stinger paint the vision makes the impulse work like a 2004 autochopper.
This is what is known as user error. It seems you're basically saying Vision just plain doens't see any paint.
Here's a tip. Try checking some of those connections before jumping to conclusions.
I would also enjoy hearing how many of these people at your field have an LPR on their Impulse. And of those who do, how many of them are properly set? A properly set LPR will also prevent chopping by promoting pinching.

[yuik]

Originally posted by jedunnigan


Ok, well then you are either ussing some kind of ****ty electric hoppper or none at all. :/

know that reflective eyes measure an increase in voltage, which is easier to read when the absorbance is lower. Transmissives are the opposite; they measure a voltage decrease which occurs only when the object absorbs the light. For this reason, shorter wavelengths are harder to read in reflectives and easier to read in transmissives, and vice-versa. The problem is, boards only recognize a certain voltage range in order to tell when the ball has loaded or not. For instance, Smart Parts Vision is programmed to know that a ball loads when it senses anything between 1-3 volts. Every paintball ilicits a difference in voltage, however some might not translate to enough to trip the sensor. If it isn't enough of a difference, the ball won't be "seen" by the board. ydna

But blue and green are very easy to be seen by a reflective eye....i can see not black or brown.....but.
Yeah i guess our halos are not cutting it jed. Typical of a Smarts Parts fan blam anyone but Smart Parts. And blue and green maybe you should try the paint before you talk about it. Im not talking about a bright green paint or sky blue here. Have you ever seen the green drakus yet alone used it? And not all fields are byop and if they are not they dont always sell yellow evil jed. You have to use what they are selling that day, so dont blame the user.

[supernothing76]

but its most likly user error:rolleyes:

[yuik]

Originally posted by the Ydna

This is what is known as user error. It seems you're basically saying Vision just plain doens't see any paint.
Here's a tip. Try checking some of those connections before jumping to conclusions.
I would also enjoy hearing how many of these people at your field have an LPR on their Impulse. And of those who do, how many of them are properly set? A properly set LPR will also prevent chopping by promoting pinching.

Another example of blamming anyone but Smart Parts. What do you think we use lprs off of a spyder set at 800psi? 2 of my friend who use smart parts have max flows and they still chop when using dark paint. And they set them, clean them every time they play and after they are done. And me saying the vision does not see any paint, where did you see this? Yeah the vision will work great on orange evil or most of the other colors. But on almost all of the darker paint it will chop like when you use a 2004 vf and shortstroke it.

[supernothing76]

what can i tell you you should have gotten a bushy pds

[the Ydna]

Oh please. Are you seriously missing the difference between me telling you why you are misinformed and me telling you just an excuse as to why I'm right?

What do you mean when you say they have Max-Flo's on their gun? What does that have to do with the LPR? Are you trying to say they have Mini-Flo LPR's on their guns?
If so, I will tell you again, they are not properly set up. You can't just drop on LPR on the gun and say "hey I've got an LPR setup!" You have to set it up to balance the pressure and dwell.

Saying that Vision doesn't work on "almost all of the darker paint" just makes no sense. Think about it for a second this time. Do you really think a company would release a product (Vision) even though it didn't work on half the market (dark paint)? Absolutely brilliant.
Here is an easier concept to understand. I use bigball all the time in Vision Impulses. Big ball, you know, the dark purple shell paintballs? Tell me, what color is "darker" than purple?
So how is it that all of the vaunted people you know have problems with their Vision? The anser is USER ERROR.
You should also know the "brightness" of the color, as in the difference between dark and light blue, does not matter. The wavelength of the color is the same, and that is the factor. Saturation of the color is completely irrevelant.

I would love to hear if you can counter what I say with anything except "no you're wrong becuase 18 people at my field blah blah blah".

[munkypikkle]

why dont all of you just shut up. im sick of this. i can lane two people off the break, dive into the snake, and take your 50 out with no problem. that is all i care about. my gun works. i put parts on it that i know work, and i shoot paint that i know reads, and has a thick enough shell to not get blown up in the cold since i live in michigan. i dont use dark shell paint because i know it wont read well. its not anyones fault but yours if you didnt research the impulses vision technicalities before you bought it. if you dont know how to take care of your frickin gun......i dont know what to tell you. you are an idiot that refuses to learn, i dont know. but if you choose to bash peoples guns that work just fine like ours....do it with YOUR friends that think you are cool because we dont, moron. i have played with more guns than you have read about.......SHUT UP!!!!!!!!

[Reaver]

Originally posted by yuik


Another example of blamming anyone but Smart Parts. What do you think we use lprs off of a spyder set at 800psi? 2 of my friend who use smart parts have max flows and they still chop when using dark paint. And they set them, clean them every time they play and after they are done. And me saying the vision does not see any paint, where did you see this? Yeah the vision will work great on orange evil or most of the other colors. But on almost all of the darker paint it will chop like when you use a 2004 vf and shortstroke it.
try moving away from the south pole and pull your head outta your you know what. YDNA has forgotten more then you and I put together will ever know.

[TeamSlayer76]

You are all idiots who say its not Tourney legal it is. With the rebound off its still insanly fast. I hit 20bps today at the chorno. And btw I just got my nerve yesterday and its the best gun I've ever had. I'm loving it.

Also I'm a huge AGD Fanboy.

[Dr J]

Damn, Yuik!

I chased you out of the Impulse forum and you end up here. Get a life dude. Go bash somewhere else.

The things that you say are not correct, they are just angry. You are allowed to be angry because you had a bad experience with your Impulse. But you're presence is not welcome when you imply to others that they will have a bad experience with an Impulse simply because you did.

Thousands of Impulse owners are happy with their Imps. I'm sorry you're not one of them. Maybe if you had come to the Imp forum for help you could've been. But it's too late now.

[yuik]

01-20-2005
02-05-2005
nice followup dr j. I suppose your gunna say you chased me out of this one 2 huh. And the things i said were correct all of the people who use Smart Parts impulses at my local field work like crap when we get the brown or dark green paint. Yeah that does make alot of people angry but you can not get different field paint.

[the Ydna]

Ahhhh yes. Again. Just becuase youy see a broken Impulse at your field, that means all others are complete hunks of ****?
I see a lot of broken Angels at my field. Maybe I should start to assume all Angels are going to break as well.
This is not a reasonable assumption. Futher, it is not going to all of a sudden become one so long as you keep chanting it.

[TeamSlayer76]

Maybe its just at your field. Here at BND there are countless people who use impulses and they work just fine. But I do have to adminit the vision eye is just a little picky. I've never shot black or brown paint out of it. It just doesnt work all that good. Some shots show up some don't.
Otherwise like 95% of the time it all works.
Again I hate Smart Parts so much. But they have nice guns.

[yuik]

Originally posted by the Ydna
Ahhhh yes. Again. Just becuase youy see a broken Impulse at your field, that means all others are complete hunks of ****?
I see a lot of broken Angels at my field. Maybe I should start to assume all Angels are going to break as well.
This is not a reasonable assumption. Futher, it is not going to all of a sudden become one so long as you keep chanting it.
Smart Parts fans are so funny. They always are ready with an incoherent post to defend Smart Parts. I dont see many broken impulses at my field. Because according to Smart Parts they are not broken. Thats just the way they work. And its not 1 or 2 impulses that shoot like **** when we get dark paint its like all of them.

[the Ydna]

My statements are inconherent? Is that the same as saying you now see how your previous statements make no sense and don't wish to submit to it? Give me a break.
If you need further clarification like some inputent child then I'm sure I can simplify it for you once more. One persons' bad experience with the equipment is not token of the entire line. Anything else is just ridiculous. Try thinking about it for once. It would mean that all those people out there that have non-leaking and non-chopping guns simply don't exist, or are lying about them. Do you disagree with this? Answer the question instead of attempting to point out how all my statements are inconherent, or whatever other negative adjective you pull out of your *** to say I'm wrong becuase you know it all.

[Dr J]

seems to my, Ydna, that I found on one of his past posts that his teamates had Impulses before Yuik got his. So if they are so bad, how could he have not known about it?

And no, Yuik, I won't say I chased you out of the Shocker forum. I'll give that credit to Ydna for 3 reasons...
1. Here's here (shocker forum) more often than I am.
2. He actually gave you the benefit of the doubt in his first post. And you flamed him.
3. **** son, he don't need my help to take care of you.

[SuperBeaner]

Sadly, a poster with only two months of being on these forums, who really just posts to flame and really does not give any strong evidence or help anyone out doesn't have much clout in people's minds. the YDNA and Dr. J are helpful, intelligent and can work on any production gun out there. Yuik, you really haven't done anything other that misspell "blaming" and "blame" several times (which to me, is pathetic). If you're trying to prove a point, you should try writing informatively, un-biased, and grammatically correct.

By the way, Nerves are really fast and great. The one problem I've seen at my field is shootdown due to bad lpr setup. The kid got help from me, no more shootdown (it's sad when 12 year old's have great guns that they don't know anything about).

[yuik]

Originally posted by the Ydna
My statements are inconherent? Is that the same as saying you now see how your previous statements make no sense and don't wish to submit to it? Give me a break.
If you need further clarification like some inputent child then I'm sure I can simplify it for you once more. One persons' bad experience with the equipment is not token of the entire line. Anything else is just ridiculous. Try thinking about it for once. It would mean that all those people out there that have non-leaking and non-chopping guns simply don't exist, or are lying about them. Do you disagree with this? Answer the question instead of attempting to point out how all my statements are inconherent, or whatever other negative adjective you pull out of your *** to say I'm wrong becuase you know it all. Hey maybe smart parts fans can not count past one. "And the things i said were correct all of the people who use Smart Parts impulses at my local field work like crap when we get the brown or dark green paint."-myself Unless ALL means one person to you. Hint there is more than 1 person at my local field using an Impulse. And Dr. J you should stop talking **** about things you don't know. Yes many of my teamates had impulses. I was the first to get mine and the second to sell it. You need to GET A LIFE you follow me to the bunkering and the wiping post. Go back to where you belong SMart Parts. SuperBeaner this isnt the SATS grammatically correct??? This is a forum. I made a point about the grammatice errors by other posters in this forum. But then they told me it was irrelevant, in which they were right. Give it a rest.

[SuperBeaner]

Again, all I see is name calling, which really doesn't show me any credible evidence of why you think the Nerve or any other SP marker "sucks." All I see is incoherent namecalling that really doesn't do much besides taking up space on a thread that had a very easy answer.
"Why did SP make a $1000 that's not tourny legal? "
Answer: They didn't. The Nerve can be made tourney legal with a push of a button. Mods can close this thread now.

[BigTarget04]

Wow this thread is goin to le underworld in a le handbasket. And smartparts original intention with the nerve was to make it so there were no upgrades need it to take it to its full potential. And since some tournaments allow ramping chips (although not many if any) and ramping type chips are allowed, I'm guessing smart parts added one to the nerve so the user didnt see the need to get an aftermarket board like musashi's for dm4's. I'm Impulses are great but there is no real reason to dog on them so much, IMO they are just plain tall and not very attractive, but hey thats my opinion on them. It is also kinda funny how no one has mentioned yuik's sig. It kinda bashes smartparts right there. And I'm still not exactly sure how this became an impulse topic thread, and being in the nerve forums. But anywho the nerves seem like great guns and IMO look super hot, probably one of the few SP markers I would consider buying, but then again I dont have 1000 bucks to drop on a marker at the moment nor do I plan on doin so anytime soon.

[the Ydna]

Yuik. There is only one conclusion you can draw for all the Impulses at your field working like crap.
That is, all the Impulses at your local field work like crap.
What do the people at your field have to do with anybody else? I am trying to follow your logic however I am having problems.
Impulses other places, on the other hand, work fine. Interesting isn't it?

Regardless, I am still waiting on this:

Originally posted by the Ydna
I would love to hear if you can counter what I say with anything except "no you're wrong becuase 18 people at my field blah blah blah".

[xkornxjr]

Originally posted by supernothing76
what can i tell you you should have gotten a bushy pds

I had clicked on your team website andrenalin and I noticed a picture of this guy in the backround and that picture is the main website to my home field in new york long www.islandpaintball.net is this the same field you happen to play at ?
:crazy:

[supernothing76]

no:laugh: i jsut liked the picture:D

[TeamSlayer76]

Well Yuik guess what I did.

I shot 1000 rnds of Brass Eagle After Burn with my Vision Eyes off and wow it shot nicely. Not a single chop. I think you really need to stop flaming and calm down.
Also research what your talking about before you go raving about it.

[digital jack@ss]

very unusual? Maybe its just me and the other 15 smart parts impulse users at my local field but whenever we use the green drakus, brown, blue proballs, green dynast, pmi black big balls, or black stinger paint the vision makes the impulse work like a 2004 autochopper.

One thing I want clarified, never used an impulse, but im going on the assumption that most eye systems work relatively the same, and that is that......
they do not allow the user to shoot, if the eye cannot confirm a ball is not in the breach, therefore if it does not read your brown crappy paint therefore it does not shoot.
So obviously if you are chopping Im once more, going on an assumption and saying that those "20" people at your field are all either very mechanically impaired, dont know how to read, or just plainly have almost or no intelligence, and have never known how to turn their eyes on, or they think "I have a Halo B, if I turn the eyes off I'll shoot faster" and then they dont understand why it chops.

[tjd10684]

if you dont like your imp sell it and get a new gun. its not that hard.

[jeffthrowspaint]

Eblade reflective eyes "delay your shot" if it dosnt see paint.
Shooting dark paint with a reflective eye blows. I played with half black&pink shell paint in my old E-blade and it was horrible. No chops, but lots of skipping. Breakbeams are so much better.

[Dr J]

Originally posted by jeffthrowspaint
Shooting dark paint with a reflective eye blows. I played with half black&pink shell paint in my old E-blade and it was horrible. No chops, but lots of skipping. Breakbeams are so much better.

Depends on the reflective and on the break beam.

I have never had a chop with my Equalized Impulse (reflective) while the eye was on (simulate mode i have chopped, but the eye is off) and I've had it for over a year.

Two of my buddies have new alias style timmies.... well, let's just say their confidence level in their marker is much lower than when they had previously owned a Shocker and Impulse. My one friend says he chopped less with a stock shocker (no vision) and a halo than he now does with the timmy with the same halo.


however, the Ions (for as cheap as they are) seem to have an unwaveringly perfect break beam.

[mettman215]

Anyone who *****es about the nerve has either a) serious jealousy issues, b) retardation, or c) never shot one! Seriously SP and the nerve are insane, insanely cool.

[TylerWalrabenst]

Originally posted by munkypikkle
you guys are flippin retarded! GOSH! dont be hatin aight....nppl is going full auto anyway, so when you go to a tournament just go to one that plays with modified nppl rules.

The NPPL isnt going full auto n00b

[Muffin_Man1356]

Originally posted by yuik


very unusual? Maybe its just me and the other 15 smart parts impulse users at my local field but whenever we use the green drakus, brown, blue proballs, green dynast, pmi black big balls, or black stinger paint the vision makes the impulse work like a 2004 autochopper.

1. ive shot about 12,000 rounds with my impy and about 6,000 with the eye off.... ive probally only chopped 4 or 5 balls. ive used green draxxus, and dark blue, and some purple midnight i think before.... i can walk pretty fast... it has to do with your hopper dude. and if your not that satisfied, stop complaining and get an ECS board and eye for like 50 bucks

[yuik]

Originally posted by Muffin_Man1356


1. ive shot about 12,000 rounds with my impy and about 6,000 with the eye off.... ive probally only chopped 4 or 5 balls. ive used green draxxus, and dark blue, and some purple midnight i think before.... i can walk pretty fast... it has to do with your hopper dude. and if your not that satisfied, stop complaining and get an ECS board and eye for like 50 bucks
Hopper??? Come on now. Leave it to a smart parts fan to say its the hopper. Yeah one of us used a warp feed, with an egg what are you going to say the warp was feeding to fast and the detents could not handle it so the paint chopped??? Its every thing elses fault to a smart parts worshiper exept the things made by smart parts (user error,paint type,hopper, tank, reg (o wait only the almighty max-flow will do the job), what next the grips on your gun is the problem). You "THINK you used some purple paint before" <<< Thats nice. Well i know that the dark brown and green always shot bad in imps on our field. And we must have used at least 15 cases of dark paint in impulses. Even though that doesnt mean anything. The only way you wouldnt blame it on the hopper is if Smart Parts made a hopper.

[the Ydna]

I believe his point was all you need is an upgraded eye system. I use a morlock board with a reflective eye in my Ion and also in my Shocker, it sees about half a centimeter into the breech. Reads all paint colors; no problems at all.

[cink]

yuik, stop using dark paint lmao, im sure there is another pb store other than your local field, if not, order some cases online, they have good deals

[yuik]

cink theres a thing called field paint only. Go out and play sometime and maybe you will realize what this means.

[sexy dimick]

Originally posted by munkypikkle
you guys are flippin retarded! GOSH! dont be hatin aight....nppl is going full auto anyway, so when you go to a tournament just go to one that plays with modified nppl rules.

how bout you and everyone else quit trying to be like napolen dynamyte. its done and old and people like you are only making it worse. god :pissed: also dont be like malabos most wanted ether you are going to make that old to you poser! :mad:

[xXblinkXegoXx]

this is pathetic. why did you buy an imp in the first place then if you HAD to use dark paint? just stop being a little biatch yuik. just because you make a crap decision, doesnt mean you have to go preaching about how bad imps are. go play at a field that lets you use your own paint, or sell it and buy and ion. there are endless solutions, and you are too stupid to realize them. i have a shocker, with the same vision system found in the imp, and ive used dark paint and it works fine. I think all sp products are made with quality. ive never come across one of their products that have treated me badly. have a nice day, buttplug.

[yuik]

Stop your whining you B*tch. You want my attention well know you got it. You wanna know why i bought a Impulse, because i was young and i listened to the bs of Smart Parts fans. All the talk back then was about the bps of the Impulse(yeah The Kampfer was right most of the Smart Parts followers were just talking about bs but i was unaware.) The Impulse was only out for less than a month when i got it and there wasn't much talk about how bad it S*cked. And i made a great decision when i was the first one (out of my friends who bought impulse's) to sell it. If you think ALL Smart Parts products are quality products then i congradulate you, you are guaranteed a resting place in Smart Parts heaven, where you can worship them forever.
Have a SUPER DAY f@gg0t.
O yeah theres endless soultions to your problem also, I can give you a few.
1. wait till Hillary becomes president :laugh: and its legalized
2. Or find somewhere where it is legal right now, I won't miss you.

[the Ydna]

lol...you bought a preproduction Impulse and are disappointed becuase it broke?

[xXblinkXegoXx]

please, just answer this, why are you being a homo. you admitted it, you were young and stupid, and thats why you bought an imp, so your the f@ggot, because you arent responsible for a dumb purchase you made, you have to take it out in these forums, dissing all sp products, and most you have probably never used/ seen. My advice is to get off of your @ss and go play. if you loved the sport you would buy a new gun, suck it up that you made a bad choice, and go bunker some b@stards, but it doesnt seem your capable of that. im sure a lot of people would trade you for a rainmaker, or an imagine, and hey! by your opinion, you would be getting the better end of the deal! i also cant wait till i get to sp heaven, looks like ur going to hell.:)

[The Kampfer]

Originally posted by yuik
(yeah The Kampfer was right most of the Smart Parts followers were just talking about bs but i was unaware.)
What did I say?:confused:

[Loki_GM]

I think this thread needs to be closed because its just turned into a bunch of people *****ing at eachother about **** that isnt even relevant to the origional question (witch has already been awnsered) and who really just need to STFU or ***** to people within ear shot

[xXblinkXegoXx]

yeah it does, even though i have argued. its not even about the topic anymore, your mature for not joining the fight unlike me.(not being sarcastic)

[getToDaBall]

Originally posted by the Ydna
Yuik. There is only one conclusion you can draw for all the Impulses at your field working like crap.
That is, all the Impulses at your local field work like crap.
What do the people at your field have to do with anybody else? I am trying to follow your logic however I am having problems.
Impulses other places, on the other hand, work fine. Interesting isn't it?

Regardless, I am still waiting on this:


well i think it just depends on your definition of fine. To me fine is a functional gun that works all day. Though thats not everyone elses definition.

[the Ydna]

You know what I mean. I mean to say, it varies from gun to gun, person to person, and there's no way to predict it. Even if 100 people at one particular field had Impulses, and ALL of them broke down that day, it doesn't mean anything for the rest of the fields. Ther are over 70,000 separate Impulses out there.

[The Hitman 77]

i didnt wanna start a new thread but how are nerves? cause i havent seen any and i havent heard much about them...are they just like a shocker or what?...