omen or bko

[shane1000]

omen or bko

[penguins_r_kewl]

Unless the BKO had a new bolt and an anti chop system, definatly get the Omen.

[SLK]

wait for the '05 BKO its way better than the '04 bko and the omen

[penguins_r_kewl]

Originally posted by SLK
wait for the '05 BKO its way better than the '04 bko and the omen

How so?

[PaintballPimp90]

go for the omen the bko needs a anti chop system id def hands down go for the Omen.. :D

[chingalingding]

i was in the same situation evil omen or BKO i went with the BKO...im happy i did....i thought the omens trigger was funny looking

[SpydrCmpct2000]

Originally posted by penguins_r_kewl
Unless the BKO had a new bolt and an anti chop system, definatly get the Omen.

Well the new BKO will have an anti-chop system. I'm not sure about a new bolt, but they are also getting rid of the battery tray and giving the BKO some milling that actually looks good. Oh yeah, and all that for only $20 more than the Omen (or about $350, some places probably still sell the omen for more than $330). This is my preference but, the omen that I shot didn't work too well. There was about as much blowback as my spyder and it was having feeding problems. That and it has that funky trigger.

[Electroneurotic]

05 BKO is the way to go!!

[CDN_wdpballa]

yes, the new 05 bko is gonna own, it comes stock wit pds. its gonna be the best mid-end gun out there. i hafta go wit bko, sry omen lovers.

[Spartan 2]

How much is the New BKO Going to cost?


Also why does PDS alone make the BKO so much better then the Omen? The Omen has always Had CAM which has been proven to be better then eyes, and with the new 25 bps Board it's deff not slower by any degree vs the BKO.

The Omen also still havew the BKO is many performance specs. Better effficiancy bby fare, better regulator and consistancy. Better stock Barrel, better this better that.

[SpydrCmpct2000]

Originally posted by Spartan 2
How much is the New BKO Going to cost?


Also why does PDS alone make the BKO so much better then the Omen? The Omen has always Had CAM which has been proven to be better then eyes, and with the new 25 bps Board it's deff not slower by any degree vs the BKO.

The Omen also still havew the BKO is many performance specs. Better effficiancy bby fare, better regulator and consistancy. Better stock Barrel, better this better that.

Please explain why the CAM is better than eyes. Also, besides preference, is there any reason why the trigger on the omen is shaped in such a weird fashion? If you would like to see how much the BKO will cost, check my earlier post...

So the omen has a better stock regulator than the BKO, great, but it is not the best. The barrel is better, great it will probably be replaced anyway. The Omen is closed bolt, big whoop. The BKO has a delrin bolt that is made from a better quality material than the Omen's (unless they use a different special better delrin on their Omen bolts). An electronic "ball sensing" system will be more reliable than a mechanical one because there are fewer moving parts. The Omen has a side feed which makes your marker more exposed when leaning out the right side of your bunker.

I might just be biased against Omens unjustly, but the Omen I shot felt like it was going to fall apart... I also think it looks fugly.

[penguins_r_kewl]

Eh thats ok, I agree the 05 BKO is better, but not the 04 and older :P.

[CDN_wdpballa]

nah, my cuzins 03.5 is amazing, he put like 600 into it and it is by far the best gun i have ever seen (mid range) i'd rather have that than my angel. all bkos r cool. and what is icd thinkin tho? whats the point of the b2k5? if the bko comes stock wit pds its the same thing just a bit slower but way cheaper.

[Spartan 2]

Originally posted by SpydrCmpct2000


Please explain why the CAM is better than eyes. Also, besides preference, is there any reason why the trigger on the omen is shaped in such a weird fashion? If you would like to see how much the BKO will cost, check my earlier post...

CAM is better then eyes for several reasons. The first and most evident, is that it does not rely on electronics. It's completely mechanical. No worries about pinched wires, dirty eyes, or eyes wearing out. The second reason is that it's more reliable in that it makes it IMPOSSIBLE to chop. The Cam arms are actually tied into the bolt, as the bolt moves back the Cam pushes the ball into the chamber, one goes all the way in, the second stays back half way to prevent double feeds.
With eyes you can have a number of reliability Issues. First off the most evident is the last ball chopping. When you get down to your last ball on almost any loader, that bal in flung into the breach, hits the bottom, trips the eyes, and bounces back up the breach and usually happens so fast that it gets in the way of the bolt and chops.
There are only 2 ways to fix this, to off set the feedneck buy a very tiny bit ( Like they did with the ego) Or correct the second reliability issue eyes have, Logic. Eye logic is what makes a board so fast and efficient is how it works. One particular example in the Pandora Board for Vikings. Their eyes actually check he beach 2 times before shooting to make sure a ball did not bounce...you may think at firs that it may slow then gun down....but after testing it I see other wise.

So the omen has a better stock regulator than the BKO, great, but it is not the best. The barrel is better, great it will probably be replaced anyway. The Omen is closed bolt, big whoop. The BKO has a delrin bolt that is made from a better quality material than the Omen's (unless they use a different special better delrin on their Omen bolts). An electronic "ball sensing" system will be more reliable than a mechanical one because there are fewer moving parts. The Omen has a side feed which makes your marker more exposed when leaning out the right side of your bunker.


-Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Evil Detonator Regulator IS the Best Reg on the market excluding the 2-liter which is miles ahead of every thing else. Have Blue did 3d party testings and found it even beat the sidewinder, I'll get the graph if you require it.

-Barrel. ALOT of people ACTUALLY keep the stock barrel for a long time. Usually rec ballers can not afford a Nice barrel Kit right away so they look for a gun that has a good stock barrel...the stock Omen barrel is so good I use it over my boomstick.

-I never said the Omen's closed bolt gave it any head way over other markers

-Delrin is Delrin, they both self lubricate and work, what's your argument here?

-Look above and you will see my explanation on why Mechanical is more reliable then electrical.

- Have you actually played with a Omen? The side feed does not effect it at ALL. In-fact if you want to think that way then learn to shoot left handed and that off set feedneck will give you a ADVANTAGE. We also find our selves AIMING for snap shots and not just following the paint stream.



I might just be biased against Omens unjustly, but the Omen I shot felt like it was going to fall apart... I also think it looks fugly.

And this is why you have no place in this forum, as you said you may be unjustly Biased get out we don't want your biased Opinion here. We want facts and thus fare you have only given fantasies as explanations.

[SpydrCmpct2000]

So CAM is better than eyes because it has more moving parts? Eyes do have their downsides. So where are the CAM's downsides? Or was the CAM system created perfectly by God? Seeing as there are more moving parts for the CAM system, one would think that it would be less reliable. I would like the downsides for the CAM seeing as you so generously told me all the downsides for eyes. In the Omen I shot it consistantly had feeding problems despite the fact that the egg that was on it was out of batteries. It would skip feeding even when there was a stack of balls in the feed neck. You don't have that problem with eyes. You have very little faith in electronics...

Oh yeah, why is the trigger shaped in that fashion? Is it the ergonomically correct way one should have a trigger or was it just made like that. I'm really curious about that.

About the Reg, yes the detonator is a great reg. The reason I said it wasn't the best was because of the 2 liter. I should have specified that.

Is the graph you are talking about the 2 liter advertisement graph? If that's it then I've seen that one. I'd be interested in the one you're talking about though if it's another one.

Most people I see at the field I go to have upgrade barrels. This may be because I live in SoCal and pretty much everybody who paintballs down here is rich. I don't know if this is the same at your field.

Alright, I really don't know why I put closed bolt in there, but I did. I probably didn't know why I put it in there at that time either. Sorry about that.

Yes I have played with an Omen. I did not play very aggresively with it though because it felt like it was going to fall apart.

I don't see how any of my explanations were fantasies. I based my explanations on my research and observations. Most of that information was found in this forum (pbreview) as well.

And how can you quote something as large as what is in your post? I tried but when it came into the reply box there was nothing.

[Spartan 2]

Originally posted by SpydrCmpct2000
So CAM is better than eyes because it has more moving parts? Eyes do have their downsides. So where are the CAM's downsides? Or was the CAM system created perfectly by God? Seeing as there are more moving parts for the CAM system, one would think that it would be less reliable. I would like the downsides for the CAM seeing as you so generously told me all the downsides for eyes. In the Omen I shot it consistantly had feeding problems despite the fact that the egg that was on it was out of batteries. It would skip feeding even when there was a stack of balls in the feed neck. You don't have that problem with eyes. You have very little faith in electronics...

OK, Down sides of the CAM...the ONLY down side to the Cam feed is that you can not use a Halo or warp or Q-loader...but wait thats been fixed. The Cam is actiallu 1-2 moving parts. The entire peice is one peice, the back of it has a nitch that connects to the bolt, the other is the tip that pushing the paint ball in. The other moving part is the bending Cam arm (anti doubler arm) and that's it. There really nothing unreliable AT ALL about the CAM...was it created by a god? umm...evil god perhaps... ;)
I'm not understanding the problem are you takking about? Perhaps the gun was just not recocking? Thats means your recock was to low just as a LPR would be to low.


Oh yeah, why is the trigger shaped in that fashion? Is it the ergonomically correct way one should have a trigger or was it just made like that. I'm really curious about that.

Yes, if you try the Omen trigger with a faster board OMG is it faster...it just does not feel fast cause the stock board is so freakin slow right now.

About the Reg, yes the detonator is a great reg. The reason I said it wasn't the best was because of the 2 liter. I should have specified that.

Is the graph you are talking about the 2 liter advertisement graph? If that's it then I've seen that one. I'd be interested in the one you're talking about though if it's another one.

One in the same. have blue did the test FOR AKA. First it was used as a Mystery Reg, at first ever one thought it was AGD making a RT inline, but it turned out to be the 2-liter. you can find his graph which is identical and just labeld diff with the mustery reg on his www.airsoldier.com

Most people I see at the field I go to have upgrade barrels. This may be because I live in SoCal and pretty much everybody who paintballs down here is rich. I don't know if this is the same at your field.

Yah their are poor people in this world ALOT of people do not upgrade there barrel right away. They may have JUST enogh for a gun..so what do they do, get a nice gun and use the stock barrel or get a lower end gun and get a niocer barrel...well the Omen stock is already nice so it's a good compromise.

Alright, I really don't know why I put closed bolt in there, but I did. I probably didn't know why I put it in there at that time either. Sorry about that.

Yes I have played with an Omen. I did not play very aggresively with it though because it felt like it was going to fall apart.

Guess who's ever Omen that was did not take care of it. Usually Omens feel VERY sturdy.


I don't see how any of my explanations were fantasies. I based my explanations on my research and observations. Most of that information was found in this forum (pbreview) as well.

I cvall them fantasies because their not real and posibly based off of biased and wrong information.


And how can you quote something as large as what is in your post? I tried but when it came into the reply box there was nothing.

You just modify the Quote with Red words....


All in the Same the Omen is still the best gun in it's price RANGE. Yes even over the new BKO...but if you like the way the BKO shoots over the Omen, buy all means get the BKO. But Feel is pure prefference so you can't use that in a Vs thread. What matters is performance, and the Omen wins in the catagory.

[SpydrCmpct2000]

Alright, looks like you beat me here. I'll have to try someone else's Omen to see if it changes my mind about it. I'm still going to say that the BKO is better because I really have more faith in electronic anti chop systems as opposed to mechanical ones (cept the lvl 10). Is there a way to change the stock switch on the Omen? The stock switch on the one I tried was pretty heavy. It was a smooth pull but about as heavy as my switch on my sprint frame before I stuck the 5g on it. About the Omen, you are probably right, the recock probably was too low and it wasn't recocking. I didn't think of that before because it was so easy to just blame it on the CAM. I tried doing the quote thing, but I suck and this kinda stuff. Thanks though.

When I first saw that graph I was disappointed to see my precious Palmer's Stabilizer in the middle of the pack. Oh well, can't beat a lifetime warranty.

[n00b123]

wait for the 05 bko.....it will blow the omen away

[Spartan 2]

Originally posted by SpydrCmpct2000
Alright, looks like you beat me here. I'll have to try someone else's Omen to see if it changes my mind about it. I'm still going to say that the BKO is better because I really have more faith in electronic anti chop systems as opposed to mechanical ones (cept the lvl 10). Is there a way to change the stock switch on the Omen? The stock switch on the one I tried was pretty heavy. It was a smooth pull but about as heavy as my switch on my sprint frame before I stuck the 5g on it. About the Omen, you are probably right, the recock probably was too low and it wasn't recocking. I didn't think of that before because it was so easy to just blame it on the CAM. I tried doing the quote thing, but I suck and this kinda stuff. Thanks though.

When I first saw that graph I was disappointed to see my precious Palmer's Stabilizer in the middle of the pack. Oh well, can't beat a lifetime warranty.

Word up man Lvl10 is awsome, I've had 2 Xmags and 1 emag, but the lvl has shown a little bit more of un-reliablity. It seams infact to be the only thing that goes wrong on Mags now because people are so dumb not to undertsand how to tune it.

Yes you can put a new switch on there from radio shack. The new Evil Board will have a 25 g switch on there...don't go any lower or you will never stop it from bouncing.

The Palmer is a aswsome reg no dout, a flux of 3 is still very good. It's also great with C02 and that lifetime warrenty is a great thing to have... I have had a few palmers....


Originally posted by n00b123
wait for the 05 bko.....it will blow the omen away

Hey NooB Read above before you make coments like that.

(noob is your name so no pune intended)

[pbdan9190]

Originally posted by Spartan 2
How much is the New BKO Going to cost?


Also why does PDS alone make the BKO so much better then the Omen? The Omen has always Had CAM which has been proven to be better then eyes, and with the new 25 bps Board it's deff not slower by any degree vs the BKO.

The Omen also still havew the BKO is many performance specs. Better effficiancy bby fare, better regulator and consistancy. Better stock Barrel, better this better that.

The new 05 is going to cost $350, and the tray is going to gone along with PDS stock(Sorry if I'm a little late:P ).

I agree to the fact that the Omen stock reg is better than the stock reg on the BKO, but I haven't noticed a big difference in the accuracy between my BKO and my friend's Omen. The BKO is going to be faster stock seeing as how the mechanical cap is higher, but I'm not calling Omens slow in any way.

PDS is one of the best eye systems, but if you really don't trust electronic anti-chop systems Shootpaint is starting to get more MAC rams produced for ICD markers with 4 way noids. The MAC ram is a mechanical-anti chop system, and from what I've heard works great. Here is what Shootpaint said in his thread:

Production MAC Rams finally here!!!

Well I picked up the first 15 Production MAC Rams today. The machine shop should have another 40 ready for us within the next couple of weeks.

Stay tuned for pics, videos and more details.

And they are already selling BKOs with 4-way noids in them at Shootpaint.com, but otherwise PDS would be the way to go with the 2-way BKOs. SOrry I'm a little late on the whole argument.

[Spartan 2]

Originally posted by pbdan9190


The new 05 is going to cost $350, and the tray is going to gone along with PDS stock(Sorry if I'm a little late:P ).

I agree to the fact that the Omen stock reg is better than the stock reg on the BKO, but I haven't noticed a big difference in the accuracy between my BKO and my friend's Omen. The BKO is going to be faster stock seeing as how the mechanical cap is higher, but I'm not calling Omens slow in any way.

PDS is one of the best eye systems, but if you really don't trust electronic anti-chop systems Shootpaint is starting to get more MAC rams produced for ICD markers with 4 way noids. The MAC ram is a mechanical-anti chop system, and from what I've heard works great. Here is what Shootpaint said in his thread:

Production MAC Rams finally here!!!

Well I picked up the first 15 Production MAC Rams today. The machine shop should have another 40 ready for us within the next couple of weeks.

Stay tuned for pics, videos and more details.

And they are already selling BKOs with 4-way noids in them at Shootpaint.com, but otherwise PDS would be the way to go with the 2-way BKOs. SOrry I'm a little late on the whole argument.



You mean like the Shoot paint mod? (SP) I remember hearing about that a long while ago. I have yet to see that in person but if it works it will deff jump the bushy up in my book.

but yah that question was already answered ;)

But soon the Omen will be coming stock with the new board so the Cap will be 25 bps and has actually been able to DO 25 bps with bounce or if you could pull that fast.

Both guns are a great value for thewir price, but in a Vs thread we mean to show that the Omen is only $30 cheaper and offers more or at least just as much as the new BKO. This argument could be c opied for the IMPULSE argument.

But yah. Vs thread are good cause people are using facts and bring out the best in markers as well as the worst, so readers can read and see the responses and deturmin what is true and false.