Dm Vs Pm

[lri2x98]

hi guys listen, im looking into a new gun for down the road and i am mainly looking into a DM5 or a Proto Matrix. and whil i was on pbgear i noticed that the PM is priced a lot lower than the DM. why is this? advantages/disadvantages? post wat u think of this.

[cutomcocker1]

Originally posted by lri2x98
hi guys listen, im looking into a new gun for down the road and i am mainly looking into a DM5 or a Proto Matrix. and whil i was on pbgear i noticed that the PM is priced a lot lower than the DM. why is this? advantages/disadvantages? post wat u think of this.

the PM has less milling, i think it uses a DM4 length bolt, and it doesn't have the on/off...

[lri2x98]

^^^^ thats it?

[alouba]

dye's stuff is usually somewhat better quality since proto is basically a cheaper version of dye

[Mder]

If you want a real matrix I know a guy that can make you, with a CNC machine, and his own programming a custom matrix. It won't be DM4/DM5/Proto style, it will like the older ones. He can however make you a Toxic, or NXY, or if you have the money your own custom milling. He will do anything you want to it anywhere on it. Using the parts he sees as best or parts you want. He has been machining for 20 yrs, and has been making custom matrixes for a long time. He did a lot of work for the Gen-E matrixes, he made the Dragon Bonz for Twisted Paintball, and he made the original Mongoose. He also did the Ironmen matrixes.

[lri2x98]

^^^^^^thx for the offer but i dont think i have that kind of money. im looking for sumthing in the upper 100s and i wuz just wondering if there were any signifigant differences between the DM and PM

[Mder]

Yea it is a lot of money...

[lri2x98]

anyone? perhaps sum1 that has used both/ can share some insight on how they shoot/feel?

[dm4monkey]

get a used dm4.

[lri2x98]

i would but i cant get it till like june and im pretty sure that all of the dm4s will be sold by then but ill keep it in mind thx;)

[Canadia_PBaller]

There is no way that the DM4s will be off the PBN boards by July. And if you aren't getting the gun till' June, save up and buy a used DM5.


The DM5 has a different board, Ultralite, clamping feedneck, etc.

The DM5 is just a higher end version, but the Proto is still a Matrix. Basically, it's like a car. If you have the money for the V-8 Hemi (which doesn't offer that much more in performance then a standard V-8 by the way...but anyways) go for it, but if you can only go for the standard V-8, you'll still have enough power to do most things.

So, a PM5 is still a Matrix, so if you don't want to, or don't have the extra cash, the PM5 isn't a bad choice by any means.

[lri2x98]

^^^^ thx alot canada. unfortunatley i cant really "save up" for a dm. im gettin the pm off a deal i made with my parents (grades). but thx 4 all ur guys advice unless sumthing else comes along i think i will stick with the pm:).

[cocker kid 2k2]

If you can get a DM5 then get a DM5 if you can't, then get a Proto + clamp rise + ultralite, and you will still have a gun that rips.

Quality wise, they're both the same, proto's are just a little uglier and don't have a good barrel or clamp rise stock, if you want to pay more for a much better looking gun, then go for it, I know I would if it was up to me. But if not, and you like how the proto looks, then I see no reason to not get one.

[lri2x98]

sweet. hey, couple questions, 1: i have a total freak kit for my cocker, thatll fit it right? 2: are the proto feednecks are removable? thx thats pretty much it.
p.s. i kinda like the looks of the proto.:cool:

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by lri2x98
sweet. hey, couple questions, 1: i have a total freak kit for my cocker, thatll fit it right? 2: are the proto feednecks are removable? thx thats pretty much it.
p.s. i kinda like the looks of the proto.:cool: Any cocker barrel will fit any Matrix. And yes the feedneck on the proto is removable. It is Matrix threaded, so you can put any other Matrix feedneck on it, such as a CCM or a DM4 rise.

For the barrel however. I would advise on selling it and purchasing an Ultralite for your Proto.

I have had much experience on how the Ultralite is better than the Freak, but here is my most recent incident.

I had traded an Alias for a DM4, when I got the DM4 the person who had traded with me forgot the barrel at home (we met up and traded in person), anyways, he sent the stock ultralite to me in the mail, but it would take a week to get to me. So I shot the marker with my friends freak on it until the Ultralite arrived. The accuracy of the Freak was somewhat acceptable, but I had noticed that it was a little bit inaccurate, reminded me of my old CP, it would curve at a decent distance (around 50 to 60 feet). I would stand from my porch and shoot at a fire hydrant on the side of my yard. With the Freak some would sway either way to the hydrant, and about 3/4th's would hit on it, never in a good grouping though.

Then the Ultralite came in the mail, slapped it on the gun, took the exact same paint I had as before (Polar Ice) loaded the gun up and got on my pourch. The thing was a freaking ball on ball machine gun, as fast as my halo could feed, in one straight line, hitting the exact same spot on the hydrant from the exact same distance. Needless to say, I was very happy.

I had already been convinced for a while that Ultralites were far superior to Freaks, but this was just one more test to prove it to myself. Believe me if you want, don't take a word I said to heart if you want. But don't say I didn't warn you when you eventually realize that you could be using a better barrel all along.

Ditch the Freak get an Ultralite.

[coolrazer]

It costs Dye all of about 10 bucks to make the Ultralight. Then they sell it for 100 bucks. Freaking greedy pigs..

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by coolrazer
It costs Dye all of about 10 bucks to make the Ultralight. Then they sell it for 100 bucks. Freaking greedy pigs.. Are you honestly that stupid or was that just a joke gone terribly wrong?

[robdamanii]

Just FYI...

The Proto trix is the same as a DM4, just with a different body, no on/off and a few less frills.

[dm4monkey]

Originally posted by robdamanii
Just FYI...

The Proto trix is the same as a DM4, just with a different body, no on/off and a few less frills.
the boards are also different. i know you cant upgrade a pm to a musashi but they probably have different boards/chips for it.

[lri2x98]

couple more questions: \
1: please define on/off for me, does that mean that the proto does not come with a bottomline?
2: what is the advantage of the musashi board? are there any similar boards made? price?
3: cocker kid, i believe ur story about the ultralite vs. freak, but is there an alternative? in anyones opinion is there a barrel kit out there that has decent variety and is accurate as well? im open to all opinions. thx:)

[coolrazer]

Originally posted by cocker kid 2k2
Are you honestly that stupid or was that just a joke gone terribly wrong?

Just reporting what I heard. Sue me if I was wrong, Jeez

:rolleyes:

[dm4monkey]

Originally posted by lri2x98
couple more questions: \
1: please define on/off for me, does that mean that the proto does not come with a bottomline?
neither the dm4 nor the pm come with a bottom line, the dm5 does though. the on/off is the little silver knob under the barrel at the front of the dm4. it allows you to release any left over gas in your gun, which is a nice little feature. the PM doesnt have it because i THINK (not positive) you adjust the lpr from there.
2: what is the advantage of the musashi board? are there any similar boards made? price?
the musashi chip has alot of features on it, read up on it at www.tadaotechnologies.com , theres alot of nice features and i dont feel like naming them all;) it costs 55 bucks btw, a very good/necessary upgrade imo.
3: cocker kid, i believe ur story about the ultralite vs. freak, but is there an alternative? in anyones opinion is there a barrel kit out there that has decent variety and is accurate as well? im open to all opinions.
theres the stiffi switch which is supposibly pretty good, looks a bit ugly though. then theres also the empire, pipe, and kaner barrel system but its probably better to buy a set of UL backs since UL barrels are the shieeet.

[robdamanii]

Originally posted by dm4monkey

theres the stiffi switch which is supposibly pretty good, looks a bit ugly though. then theres also the empire, pipe, and kaner barrel system but its probably better to buy a set of UL backs since UL barrels are the shieeet.

Howabout a CP kit. Great barrel kit for a good price.

[dm4monkey]

Originally posted by robdamanii


Howabout a CP kit. Great barrel kit for a good price.
forgot about that one.

[Canadia_PBaller]

Originally posted by coolrazer
It costs Dye all of about 10 bucks to make the Ultralight. Then they sell it for 100 bucks. Freaking greedy pigs..



If you made a company, you would go bankrupt soooooooo fast.

[coolrazer]

Says you and that damn aptitude test...

[Canadia_PBaller]

Originally posted by coolrazer
Says you and that damn aptitude test...



:rolleyes: You're almost funny.

[alouba]

theres the stiffi switch which is supposibly pretty good, looks a bit ugly though. then theres also the empire, pipe, and kaner barrel system but its probably better to buy a set of UL backs since UL barrels are the shieeet.
how about the macdev matchstick, eh?

[f2f4]

Referring back to earlier in this thread, someone mentioned that Musashi was not available for the Proto.

He is right; it isn't.
Yet. ;)

Ya see, you can still re-flash the boards with new software. I know AdvantagePB does that.

lri2x98 - Get the Proto. All you need after that is a CP roller trigger (http://www2.criticalpaintball.com/product_info.php/cPath/30_96/products_id/295), new barrel (anything by Dye, Empire, CP, St!ffi, J&J), bottomline (get a CiP Unimount, or CP rail/uni combo), and a clamping feedneck.
For the feedneck, I would get this:
http://www.bradyspaintball.com/hymadm4feneh.html

EDIT: Oh, and these grips can't hurt, either.
http://store.yahoo.com/bradyspaintball/hypagrparuco3.html

[lri2x98]

thanks alot for the help u guys. i think ive made my decision and im gonna try to save up enough to pay for about $4-500 of the gun and get a dm5 (which i will upgrade with many of the things on this list;), except the cp barrel kit, just too much money:(.) but if i cant raise the money hten ill get a proto and up it.

thx for all ur help u guys.

p.s. UTL if ur gonna close this, pleez dont delete it so i can use it 4 reference later :)

[Canadia_PBaller]

Iri2x98 just get 3 different bore CP 1 pieces. That'd be cool. Also, did you know you can get a 4 piece CP kit, I don't think those are very exspensive.

[lri2x98]

sweet thx canada il keep that in mind:).

[cocker kid 2k2]

Guys, there's something that you're all not realizing. Do you all really think that you need a barrel kit? Think about it, especially the starter of this thread. You can EASILY get away with a one bore barrel on a Proto Matrix. Just get a .692 Ultralite, and any paint that is smaller than it will shoot very accuratly to a certain extent with a minimal loss of air efficiency.

Just rock an Ultralite, kits aren't necessary, you won't regret it.

[dm4monkey]

Originally posted by alouba

how about the macdev matchstick, eh?
never heard anything about those nor seen one.

[Canadia_PBaller]

What Cockerkid says is true, you don't really need a kit. I just like to have 3 bores, or so because you do get a tad better effiecency.


And DM4monkey, the Matchstik barrels are awesome barrels.

[dm4monkey]

surprised i havent run into them yet then. odds are i've seen someone using them just never asked them about it.

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by Canadia_PBaller
What Cockerkid says is true, you don't really need a kit. I just like to have 3 bores, or so because you do get a tad better effiecency.


And DM4monkey, the Matchstik barrels are awesome barrels. 2 backs at the MOST. Especially for a DM4. a .684 and a .692 are suitable, but in all reality a .692 is all anybody ever needs.

[alouba]

Originally posted by dm4monkey

never heard anything about those nor seen one.

macdev is an awesome company and their barrel is most likely better then any other barrels

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by alouba


macdev is an awesome company and their barrel is most likely better then any other barrels You've never even tried a Macdev barrel have you? If not I wouldn't make a statement like that.

[alouba]

can't say i've had the pleasure to try them
just passing along what i've hear, which is all the good things and none of the bad things:D

have U tried them?

[ShockerKid82]

Brand name =-P

Dye owns Proto

[Canadia_PBaller]

Originally posted by alouba
have U tried them?


Well, I don't know about CK, but I've tried them. Nothing special, I perfer my UL or CP.

[alouba]

hmm
ok
well i'll just stick to my UL then

[dyep8ntballer33]

hey spence! wuts up just get the pm5