Strange or Adreneline?

[Spoony]

I have been comparing these two for the past week. The Strange is 50 more. They both have vision. The adreneline has those two little nipple things that are supposed to help with effecience, the Strange has the tapeworm. Both come with delrin bolts. So, I like both of them a lot, but I am just not sure on which one to get. Any suggestions from owners, or people that have used both?

[toothpastedog]

Both are very good guns.

Are they used? New? How much?

I think you are a bit confused: AI's come with two GP valves, while a Strange comes with an lpr kit. If they are new, stock, and the strange only costs 50$ more, get the strange. Personally, i would rather have the AI, just cause it is a bit smaller and has a better trigger, but they are both very good guns. You will be happy with either one.

[Spoony]

They are both new. The Strange is $650, the Al is $600(I think those are awesome deals). I play front, so I want a light gun, just can't afford an Angel or Timmy. Doesn't the Strange have a tapeworm? I thought it did. I wasn't sure what those two things were on the Al. Could you explain those to me? I had heard that they act like a 14way or something? That did me no good since I have no idea what a 14way is.

[toothpastedog]

-This explains a GP valve:

http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/?sort=new&prod=2235&page=1#86886

-here is how a standard tapeworm works:

Okay, what do spyders, angels, bushmaster, vikings, and intimidators have in common? Well, they all operate on the same basic design; a bolt over a hammer that moves forward when the trigger is pulled (from either the force of a ram and solenoid-i'll explain later-or a spring, like on spyder(clones) and opens a valve which sends air to the paintball and out that paintball goes.

A solenoid is what begins the firing process on impulses, if you were an impulse the circuit board would be your brain and the solenoid your heart. When the gun fires, a signal is sent to the solenoid (it is actually called a solenoid valve, but I will just call it a solenoid) and the solenoid opens and sends a burst of air behind the ram which pushes the hammer/bolt (the bolt is connect to the hammer by a bolt pin) forward. Then the solenoid closes and sends a burst of air to the front of the ram sending it shooting backwards and thus moving the hammer/bolt back into "cocked" position. It is a little bit like how a 3-way on an Autococker, but a lot faster and more precise due to it being electronically controlled.

In an impulse, what happens when the trigger is pushed it this:
1) A micro switch is activated which sends an electrical pulse to the circuit board which in turn sends another signal to the solenoid to open/close it's valve.
2) The solenoid valve opens and redirects the air flow to an air cavity behind the ram and the air wants to expand and so it pushes the ram forward. The hammer (the ram is screwed into the ram, so when the ram moves forward, so does the hammer) is connected to the bolt by means of a bolt pin.
3) Then, at exactly the same time since the bolt and hammer are connected (when one moves 1mm, so does the other), as when the bolt is pushing a paintball past the guns’ detents the hammer hits the gun’s main valve, opening it which sends a burst of air out to the paintball threw the and into/out the barrel.
4) Then the solenoid (after a set amount of time, normally around 10 milliseconds depending on what the dwell (dwell=how long the hammer holds the main valve open=how much air is put behind the paintball=more or less fps) is set at, redirects the air flow to an air cavity in front of the ram and the hammer is pull back from the main valve (which closes due to a spring which forces it close) and also pulls the bolt back at the same time which lets another ball fall into the breach ready to be fired.

That is how the impulse works.

Here is what and how a tape worm works. Also I added some information about lprs:

Okay, here we go... a tapeworm is a solenoid restrictor. What it does is that it "restricts" are from being sucked away from the solenoid valve (which is what moves the bolt/hammer and makes the gun fire-the solenoid bolt can only do this with sufficient air pressure). What happens, is that when you pressurize your impulse, air fills up the valve cavity and the solenoid cavity (the valve and the solenoid valve are different-the valve puts air into the bolt and eventually get to a paintball, while the solenoid valve is basically, a separate electronic valve that controls the movement of the hammer/bolt/ram). When the impulse is fired, the valve opens and air flows out of it into the bolt and out behind a paintball. When the valve opens though, it sucks air away and out of the solenoid cavity. What the tapeworm does, for 20$, is it restricts air from leaving the solenoid valve cavity, and thus the valve can't suck air away from the solenoid which in turn uses that air to move the bolt/hammer which is how the gun is fired. Then since no air is being sucked away from the solenoid you can lower your operating pressure, which can help to prevent ball chopping a little as well as helping efficiency a bit to. The main advantage is that you can shoot faster strings of paint w/o any shoot down at all, and you can now, with a tapeworm or other form of solenoid restrictor, dry fire you impulse like you would a normal gun (which you cannot normally do).

-the strange comes stock with an lpr kit.

-Both gun will perform great. the strange will get a couple hundered, like 200, more shots per fill than the AI though. basically it comes down to which one you think looks cooler.

[Dr J]

first... AIs have ONE GP/check it valve. The other is a look alike for cosmetics


Feel them and hold them both if possible.

I have a hard time beliving that the Strange is new.(ffor that price)

I will not believe that the AI is new.(for that price, ask Wolverine how much he paid for his Life Saver AI)

The strange has more upgrade options.
The AI has the "upgraded" grip... but all of them that I've seen you couldn't really adjust the trigger pull.

[toothpastedog]

Yeh, it is probably the old model AI. Right, the new AIM frames are just as adjustible as any other frame-like the i-frame, but the older AI frames only have one point of adjustment. It isn't as bad as it sounds though, because the trigger pull is set extremely short out of the box, you just need to rip the magnet out and adjust the pull length a little.

[Kurama]

Well, neither one is better than the other. Depends on what you want from your marker, and if you're willing to spend 600 or 650. They're both great :-P

[Spoony]

So, in order to go low pressure on the Al, I would have to get a tapeworm right? Or, is there a way to use the GP with a lpr reg?

[Kurama]

tapeworms are like 20$ tops, dont worry about 'em.

[toothpastedog]

Originally posted by Spoony
So, in order to go low pressure on the Al, I would have to get a tapeworm right? Or, is there a way to use the GP with a lpr reg?

First of all, the impulse is a "low pressure" gun not matter what you have. Nothing else makes it an LP gun because it is already one. If you want to lower you solenoid's op, meaning how much for moves the hammer and bolt, you can get an lpr setup. A tapeworm, or a GP valve, only help with consistancy and shot drop off... not to mention a GP valve performs much much better than a tapeworm. If you put a tapeworm in an AI, you would not only be wasting money, but you would be making it a worse gun.


Okay, what do spyders, angels, bushmaster, vikings, and intimidators have in common? Well, they all operate on the same basic design; a bolt over a hammer that moves forward when the trigger is pulled (from either the force of a ram and solenoid-i'll explain later-or a spring, like on spyder(clones) and opens a valve which sends air to the paintball and out that paintball goes.

A solenoid is what begins the firing process on impulses, if you were an impulse the circuit board would be your brain and the solenoid your heart. When the gun fires, a signal is sent to the solenoid (it is actually called a solenoid valve, but I will just call it a solenoid) and the solenoid opens and sends a burst of air behind the ram which pushes the hammer/bolt (the bolt is connect to the hammer by a bolt pin) forward. Then the solenoid closes and sends a burst of air to the front of the ram sending it shooting backwards and thus moving the hammer/bolt back into "cocked" position. It is a little bit like how a 3-way on an Autococker, but a lot faster and more precise due to it being electronically controlled.

In an impulse, what happens when the trigger is pushed it this:
1) A micro switch is activated which sends an electrical pulse to the circuit board which in turn sends another signal to the solenoid to open/close it's valve.
2) The solenoid valve opens and redirects the air flow to an air cavity behind the ram and the air wants to expand and so it pushes the ram forward. The hammer (the ram is screwed into the ram, so when the ram moves forward, so does the hammer) is connected to the bolt by means of a bolt pin.
3) Then, at exactly the same time since the bolt and hammer are connected (when one moves 1mm, so does the other), as when the bolt is pushing a paintball past the guns’ detents the hammer hits the gun’s main valve, opening it which sends a burst of air out to the paintball threw the and into/out the barrel.
4) Then the solenoid (after a set amount of time, normally around 10 milliseconds depending on what the dwell (dwell=how long the hammer holds the main valve open=how much air is put behind the paintball=more or less fps) is set at, redirects the air flow to an air cavity in front of the ram and the hammer is pull back from the main valve (which closes due to a spring which forces it close) and also pulls the bolt back at the same time which lets another ball fall into the breach ready to be fired.

That is how the impulse works.

Here is what and how a tape worm works. Also I added some information about lprs:

Okay, here we go... a tapeworm is a solenoid restrictor. What it does is that it "restricts" are from being sucked away from the solenoid valve (which is what moves the bolt/hammer and makes the gun fire-the solenoid bolt can only do this with sufficient air pressure). What happens, is that when you pressurize your impulse, air fills up the valve cavity and the solenoid cavity (the valve and the solenoid valve are different-the valve puts air into the bolt and eventually get to a paintball, while the solenoid valve is basically, a separate electronic valve that controls the movement of the hammer/bolt/ram). When the impulse is fired, the valve opens and air flows out of it into the bolt and out behind a paintball. When the valve opens though, it sucks air away and out of the solenoid cavity. What the tapeworm does, for 20$, is it restricts air from leaving the solenoid valve cavity, and thus the valve can't suck air away from the solenoid which in turn uses that air to move the bolt/hammer which is how the gun is fired. Then since no air is being sucked away from the solenoid you can lower your operating pressure, which can help to prevent ball chopping a little as well as helping efficiency a bit to. The main advantage is that you can shoot faster strings of paint w/o any shoot down at all, and you can now, with a tapeworm or other form of solenoid restrictor, dry fire you impulse like you would a normal gun (which you cannot normally do).

A VFF (Voodoo Full Flow), a HFV (High Flow Vertical), and a HFA (High Flow Angled) don't do the same thing as a tapeworm, but for 30$ more, they supply the solenoid valve with a consistent uninterrupted supply of air that is at the same pressure as what the air is being regulated at the max-flo (or whatever inline reg you're using).

An LPR supplies the solenoid valve with an uninterrupted supply of air at a lower pressure than that at that gun's valve. Why that is so good (in other words, why is an lpr so good?)? Well, an LPR is the best because since it supplies the solenoid valve with air at a lower pressure than the air at the gun's valve, you can:
1-Use a Higher Input Pressure
2-Use a Lower Solenoid Pressure
3-Use a Lower Dwell
The Higher input pressure is desirable because it will let you decrease your dwell, (letting less air at a higher pressure escape when you fire the gun) which will increase your efficiency.

Now if you read wolverine's faq, you would know all that by now, but by now i have come to expect that not to many people actually read it so, I have given you the dumb weight out. Thanks again wolverine for your faq, you have put a lot of time into it and are continuing to update it so, well, thanks-if it wasn't for your faq I would know squawt about impulses.

Hope this helped anyone who needed help.

*I have an update for my giganta post:

What is the Difference Between a GP valve and a RIP valve?
Well, first off, even though they both are called valves, they do completely different things. The R.I.P. (Radical Intake Profile) replaces the stock main gun's valve and will increase you efficiency and consistency. The GP valve on the other hand is more like a super charged tapeworm-if you don't know what a tapeworm is buy now you hopeless. an normal tapeworm seals the solenoid cavity off from the valve cavity, but leaves a couple little holes for air to pass through, and what that does, as i already said, is that is helps prevent a lot of air being sucked away from the solenoid but still lets air get to the solenoid. The gp valve seals the solenoid cavity off but is has a bigger hole in it that stays open when air is flowing into it. When the gun fires, and the main valve sucks air away from the solenoid, a little ball is suck, by the air, into the hole, sealing it and preventing any air from leaving the solenoid cavity. This is pure genius and is like the ultimate tapeworm. Cool huh?

http://www.pbreview.com/reviewjump/?prod=2235&rev=86886

[1 Evil Package]

Well i havent been around for a while now. But im still sure the Adrenalin Impulse is giving u more bang for ur buck, and the strange impulse is practically stock. So if i were u i would get the adrenalin. :D

[toothpastedog]

Well, the strange impulse does come with an lpr kit, a stubby delrin bolt, a brass hammer, a magnetic blade trigger, a ti bolt pin, an adjustible feedneck, a freak with one incert and a vision system...

Since it has an lpr kit, it will also get more shots per tank than the AI, but once again, they will both perform about the same.

[1 Evil Package]

Also very true...but if u sell them would they have the same value rate or will the adrenaline have more money when it sold? But yeah i totally forgot about the lpr, but its ur cost ur practically paying that extra 50 for the lpr!

[toothpastedog]

they have the same, if not a bit higher, resale value-most think they look cooler; only freaks like us like the AI's looks ;)

[1 Evil Package]

Indeed its all about looks these days isnt it?

[Dr J]

1 - the GP valve is the AI version of the tapeworm (suposed to be better)

2 - the AI cannot take the SP tapeworm

3 - The AI cannot take the SP/NewDesignz/Eclipse or anyones LPR adapter (LPR tapeworm)

4 - the AI takes a special kit that you must get from Adrenaline in order to use an LPR

5 - the AI will not take standard or aftermarket vertical ASAs

6 - You may not be able change/replace other parts on the AI as well due to the "non-commonality" of their design.

7 - The AI may get just as many shots as the Strange depending on the factors other than the LPR, such as internals type/weight, operating pressures, dwell settings, etc.

8 - While both of the gun operate on the same principle and nearly the exact schematics, the AI has slightly different parts.

9 - these parts don't make the AI any better (although Adrenaline would say otherwise), they just make it different.

10 - I disagree with TPD. The old frames suck donky *edit*. I'd rather have a stock frame.

11 - for those prices... neither is new

12 - if performance upgradeability is more important, then I suggest the Strange

13 - If looks are more important... get the one you like the looks of.

14 - If the FEEL of the gun is more important, get the one that feels right in your hand

15 - if uniqueness is what you're after... get the adrenaline

[Spoony]

What makes the Al so much different than the other forms of the impulse? Would it be able to take such things as the ndz ram? What about the valve on it?

[Dr J]

The placement of the vertical adapter is different

the solenoid air chamber is machined MUCH different (you can only use Adrenaline GP or LPR kit)

Not sure what aftermarket valves you can use. (I believe you can use the ND valve without a problem... But don't take my word for it.)

I believe the ram assembly is the same as stock except for a Stainless hammer. But I could be wrong there. If you have serious technical questions about the AI, I suggest getting in touch with Adrenaline (good luck) or contact "Wolverine". He used to be a moderator here but you can still catch him on PBNation in the Imp section and maybe on IOG

[Dr J]

trivia note for the day!

The look of the Adrenaline Impulse (AI) was actually accidental. There was a screw up in the CAD code but when the body came out they thought it looked cool anyway and kept it.

[FOM]

What you MAY be looking at are "repair" guns. Smart Parts has guns returned to them from titm to time that are Repairs of private label guns. They replace the gun to the dealer, but have these odd bodies laying around. Every once in a while, they gather up all the repair guns, Fix the major problem (normaly some stripped threads or such) and er assembly them with from stock parts. This often means you are getting a repaired gun with "stock" parts that they sell in lots to certain dealers. Fist Call is one of the biggest customers for these "fix up" guns, but I understand there are others.

So you MUST call and make sure of what you are getting. And ofcourse check what the warrenty and service policy is. I KNOW you will not get the AI lifetime Warrenty on the AI and I willing to bet you have to sent the Strange back to SP if you have any problems.

I don't know if you have looked futher, but there are markers you can get for the same price range that have EQUALIZER boards in them. The Equalizer is the single best upgrade you can get for any Impulse. Atomix offers their "tribal" with the equalizer installed for not much more then you are looking at and of course there is the Rat line as well.

[Sprayin&Prayin]

Hey hows it going? I had a stock Impy with vision, and I had purchased a Adrenaline Frame and a few other mods... I spent $450 on my Impluse + extras and I pick up a used AI frame.... for $90 so I had $540.00 in my stock impy and I was looking to upgrade to a freak...... hummm I saw an Adrenaline Impulse on Ebay for $550.00 slighty used so the guy said..... So I was like humm spend $100 on a freak or just buy the AI .....
Well I bought the AI and ended up selling my impy for $490 say $500..... I honestly can say there is nothing like it... I had never been to the AI website, but after buying one I went there to get info on my gun etc.... I have been talking with Adrenaline..and I can say they have the best customer service... i know things about my gun I didnt even know about.... lol (they are hard to get on the phone but answer my e-mails very promptly - fyi)
Anyway I guess they have a new frame out --differnet to the one I had.. and I loved it.... but this new frame is way better....
Just from things i have learned.... with the AI is you get a gp-valve---just one... the other side is a dummy just for looks.... freak barrel- custome bolt- all kinds of little upgrades and the frame makes the gun... I bought both triggers so I can go stick or the normal sp double... and the gun rips..... without an LPR.... i am saving money for an lpr though, after talking with Adrenaline i guess its not much more consistent than the gp-valve but it will let me get about 1/5 more shots per tank....68/4500.... so i am upgradeing to that ..before long...
Now I honestly do not know anything about the strange ... but I had a stock vision with ndz upgrades and other nick nacks and the AI kills it ..... not even the same gun....
Hope this helps..
matt

[Spoony]

I just want to let all of you non-believers know that it comes with the new AIM frame, it has vision, and the new Smart Parts reg for $610. It is brand knew, and comes with a warrenty. Thank you for your concerne though. Anybody want to buy a Cocker?

[Sprayin&Prayin]

Hey whats up? lol i have been following your post's...so what did you get or going to get ??? I noticed you mentioned the AIM frame, so I would assume an AI???
Where are you getting a new one at that price for?? Just curious, I am shopping myself... I was looking at the new Polished black ones at the AI site..... pretty sweet...
Adrenaline lifetime warranty etc....

matt

[TheUsualSuspect]

The second tube isn't just a dummy though it reduces weight :D

I love my AI-pulse Its the prettiest marker in town IMO. Most exotic impulse out and I love the looks. Not to mention Adrenalin is my favorite company now. I know for a fact that the Adrenalin will be the shorter of the two making your profile a bit smaller (because of the integrated solenoid tray). I love the feel of the grip frame and its shoved right up close to the reg for a well balanced marker. Take it. Only payed $500.00 american for mine. I plan on getting WAS pretty soon too.

[toothpastedog]

I can't believe this is still going...

[TheUsualSuspect]

For ever, and ever, and ever...
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and ever.

[Spoony]

Alright, this will probably be my last post on this thread. Anyways, I emailed this guy Chad at buypb about the AI. I asked him what kind of stock impulse upgrades the AI wouldn't accept. Here is his reply:

Hello that is true in some aspect. We took this gun to the extreme, we modified everything we could, that helped the performance of the gun and then some. First of we keep in mind, stock our gun comes with Vision, freak barrel, gp-valve/tapeworm, AIM frame(not close to stock),ss hammer and shaft,custom pull pin, bolt(which ranked the most consistent bolt on the market),custom front cap(lpr ready), custom ball detents (manually assembled, so they last longer) choice of high, low rise, 15* or 90* asa, custom gas-t(if you get that setup), choice of lpr or not, not to mention the milling and ano jobs....
I dont see why anyone would buy another Impulse, myself, if you bought a stock imp and bought all these upgrades you would have 1000 in an impulse. If you were to buy our Impulse shoot it, then add these other so called upgrades, you would give us a call back and tell us they didnt change anything..... unless for the worse....
Ask anyone with an Impulse if they have first shot drop off ..??? I bet 30-40% of the people say yes... then ask them if they have a stock valve or custom........... they will most likely have a custom valve.... ...Im telling ya.. do people think if we spent all this time and money we didnt try making a better valve ???? We spent 3 months making and designing valves ......all of them leaked off.. this is one cause of first shot drop off. We did all this at Smart Parts, after talking with Billy and Adam, we come to find out that they too had tried different valves setups ect.... so we keep it stock.... When then set our ram up with stainless steel internals for the weight and life. So we had to go lighter on the bolt, so we went with a delrin bolt and spent over 50 hours on a milling pattern for the bolt. so that it looked good but still kept the circumference of the stock bolt....most bolts wobble side to side which causes drag and abnormal wear.
Our frame alone can double your rof from a stock impulse.....it has no slop and you can set the pull as hard or as light as you want....

LOL sorry you got me started... It just kills me our guns are compared to all the other Impulses out there, that are just stock with a different ano job... If we were not improving the gun we sure would not have spent time not to mention money on all the extra things we did for our guns.... back to the question at hand....
The Impulses air way....we made the air way of our impulse a little bigger, buy moving the air inlet forward and putting it straight into the gp-valve/tapeworm airway..... by doing this we made our guns possible to run at lower settings than any Impulse....ANY... so in doing that yes we had to manufacture certain parts that would not be compatible to a stock Impulse...... So
If you have our Impulse here are the only things you HAVE to use that we make.... (which again it would be silly to "upgrade")
1.- Either our GP-Valve or our LPR nipple (if you run an LPR)
2. - Our asa which we have 15* or 90* (not sure whatelse a person would want)
3 - Our frame and trigger set up ( again which is magnetic and adjustable and has stick or double finger trigger setups)

Thats all! you can use any valve, ram , bolt (needs to be light) other parts whatever you want, knock yourself out...

Hope this helps
If you need anything else let me know.
Chad

[Dr J]

wow... there's a lot of BS mixed in there

Originally posted by Spoony
....bolt(which ranked the most consistent bolt on the market).....By whos testing? Under what conditions? Variables? Constants? I have a SP Voodoo bolt in my Imp and I get +/- 2 fps... who cares?

...Ask anyone with an Impulse if they have first shot drop off ..??? I bet 30-40% of the people say yes... then ask them if they have a stock valve or custom........... they will most likely have a custom valve.... ...Im telling ya.. do people think if we spent all this time and money we didnt try making a better valve ???? We spent 3 months making and designing valves ......all of them leaked off.. this is one cause of first shot drop off. We did all this at Smart Parts, after talking with Billy and Adam, we come to find out that they too had tried different valves setups ect.... so we keep it stock....
1 - Bull ****e, pure and simple. It is a proven fact that FSDO (first shot drop off) has absolutely nothing to do with the valve. There are several factors that affect it such as the board, solenoid, lube, and ram/orings... but the valve is not one of them.
2 - More ****e! If a valve "leaks off" then the regulator will let more air into the valve chamber so there will never be a noticeable difference in velocity due to this problem... you will however loose shots per fill and hear a leak
3 - Yes, Smart Parts has gone through multiple valve designs, however performance was not their main concern, cost / ease of manufacturing is. Did you know that for a quite a while when the Impulse was new it came with a Stainless steal and Brass valve? How about the brass and delrin valve?


...so we went with a delrin bolt and spent over 50 hours on a milling pattern for the bolt. so that it looked good but still kept the circumference of the stock bolt....most bolts wobble side to side which causes drag and abnormal wear.
Who cares how much time you spent on designing the aesthetic portion of the bolt (the part that looks cool) when it sits inside the gun anyway? I just tried two after market bolts in an AtomiX Impulse, the Shocktech "wobbled" the least but was actually a touch to big, and the Stock voodoo bolt and a NewDesignz bolt both "wobbled" the same amount (as pervieved without tools).

...Our frame alone can double your rof from a stock impulse.....
so can nearly any $25-40 aftermarket trigger with the stock frame.

...The Impulses air way....we made the air way of our impulse a little bigger, buy moving the air inlet forward and putting it straight into the gp-valve/tapeworm airway.....
this is a Lie. They moved the air passages, yes, however they are not any bigger. If anything, it's has a touch LESS internal volume.

....by doing this we made our guns possible to run at lower settings than any Impulse....ANY... so in doing that yes we had to manufacture certain parts that would not be compatible to a stock Impulse......
1 - This is also a lie. I wager my LIFE on the fact that my Impulse will run at operating pressures just as low as an Adrenaline Impulse, and mine will maintain better consistancy and shot count!

2 - Simply changing the air passagways in as small a ways as they have you cannot change the operating pressure of the gun. What affects the required input pressure is as follows... Internals weight, valve, solenoid, and ram design. The ONLY thing Adrenaline changed (and they admit it) is the internal weights... which anyone can do.


In summary... don't believe the hype.
Are Adrenaline Impulses very nice Impulses? Yes.
Do they perform differently/better/worse than simmarly equiped stock/private label Imps? No.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Yes. Just because I own one. lol

[Dr J]

Originally posted by TheUsualSuspect
Yes. Just because I own one. lol

To what question do you answer yes?

[wordf0o]

Wow, Dr. J pwned you Spoony.

[Dr J]

Originally posted by wordf0o
Wow, Dr. J pwned you Spoony.

Dr J did not Pwn Spoony, Dr J pwned Chad at BuyPB.

[FOM]

There is something that the AI guy gorgot to mention about "their" airways. When AI was first desgining the Impulse, I talked and e-maiel with them at length. I also sent along a number of after market parts (to James) with an explination as to how and why of each one.

But AI had no "history" with the Impulse. As as such, was not aware of the the "honking" problem when useing them with maxflo 4500 systems. Well the first ones that came out "honked" so to compensate they had to what we had found a long time ago-- they had to use a "flow restrictor". So they made what they felt was an ultra efficent air system that required special AI only VA/ LPR nipple- and then had to put a flow restrictor in front of it!

But bottom line-- the price on the AI is a stupid low price. In fact its about $200 BELOW what the same gun sold to dealers only a little while ago. AI is certanily not making any profit at those prices so the one that benifits is the customer. If you don't belive that, belive this, a dealer could not sell you a STOCK impulse with Vision and Freak, and the normal upgrades for that price. EVEN IF THE DEALER WERE SELLING IT AT BEST DEALER COST.

So While I don't honestly belive the AI is realy "better"- it is certanly an excellent marker at an incredible price. For a rec player, you simply can not beat the deal. For a turny player, where you would no doubt upgrade to an Equalizer board and an LPR, it might be a different story (these two upgrades are going to cost you close to $250)

[Dr J]

Originally posted by FOM
If you don't belive that, belive this, a dealer could not sell you a STOCK impulse with Vision and Freak, and the normal upgrades for that price. EVEN IF THE DEALER WERE SELLING IT AT BEST DEALER COST.

This is true... there would be no room for profit... and after adding tapeworm, trigger, etc. there would possibly be a loss.

At that point, I'd rather my customer just bought the gun from someone else. 2 reasons...

1. If I sell it and make no money, I actually lose money because of free service on the gun, plus the money I paid to have the product shipped to me, etc.

2. When he buys the gun online the first time he brings it to me with a problem... I charge him for labor and I've already made more money off of him than if I sold him one of my guns.


That price is SUPER low for the AI AND for the Strange. I have to believe that it is not a new gun or that there is something cosmetically wrong with it.

[adam326969]

go with the adrenaline...smaller/weighs less, and has more upgrades out of the box. also, i like the milling better but thats preference

[Dr J]

I bet they weigh within 2 ounces of each other and I'd put money on the Strange being lighter.

[TheUsualSuspect]

The adrenalin is samller, They are the shortest of the imps. But lighter, I would also put my money on the strange.

[Dr J]

Originally posted by TheUsualSuspect
The adrenalin is samller, They are the shortest of the imps....

The body height in ANY Impulse is identical to every other Impulse. The only things that change the height are the feed neck (high-rise, low-rise, etc.), regulator, and the grip frame.

The shortest grip frame ever to hit production Imps is the Freak Factory grip frame. I call it a 3 finger grip frame. It's identical to the stock grip frame except for that it's just about an inch shorter on the bottom. They simply gun the bottom off of the grip frame. But they still have the Maxflow reg on them... which means they are still just as tall as any other Imp with a maxy.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Shocker maxflow + AIM integrated solenoid tray = shorter.

Not like it matters, when I pop out of a bunker you see half my mask a barrel a "q" lock and a halo. Just like any other marker without worp.

[holyfrickster]

get a matrix or shocker if you have that kindof money don't get an impulse, that is one lesson i learned

[TheUsualSuspect]

Thanks for the help... :rolleyes:

[holyfrickster]

with all the money you guys spent upgrading your gun you could have bought a proto matrix or a used dm4

[TheUsualSuspect]

Adrenalin pulse
WAS board
Silk shot
ND valve
700.00

Rat pulse LTD package with was = 700.00

[holyfrickster]

i was talking about Sprayin&Prayin but you also you could have bought a nice upped matrix with that kindof money, and it would be hella better than that impulse

[TheUsualSuspect]

I don't buy used.
Ever.

[holyfrickster]

ok, thats nice

[TheUsualSuspect]

So the quality would be different, so why are you comparing a trix used with ups to a new impulse. Doesn't make sence, the trix might not even work.

What are you doing in theimpulse forums anyway?

[holyfrickster]

wow you're retarted if it is broken they would tell you and i could get a used trix with the moeny you spent on your impulse and the trix would blow yours away

[TheUsualSuspect]

I spent a grand total of 550 on my pulse without hopper and tank. Find a used trix for that much thats just like new and doesn't have a turd for internals.

"He'd tell you" Or he wouldn't and steal your cash one of the two. Third party trading is the way to go if you are buying used but you still end up with wear on your hammer or other parts depending on the marker.

Blow my imp away eh? Faster then a WAS board? I think not. (once I get it.. :( )

Smaller? Not with a shocker maxflow... Height above the barrel is what matters anway.

Lighter I don't know how much a trix weighs in at but my pulse weighs 2.5-2.75. Those numbers are accurate from adrenalin.

When will you people get it through your simple little heads that most markers have alot in common, the impulse is the basic. Name me a marker in wich there isn't and object hitting a valve to start the firing sequence. Trix's are just spool vlaves are they not? This gives them bad effiecientcy. Again we see that all marker have pros and cons. The mechanics of an impulse have always worked, and why shouldn't they timmy runs off very similar design and it has always worked there isn't any reason why it shouldn't.

Have you figured out by now that he is asking a question about imps in an impulse forum because he wants information about imps?

[holyfrickster]

umm yah and you always think if you buy used something is broken you're wrong, and i was stating a point you could get a trix which is the next level in gun with the amount of money spent upping an imp

[TheUsualSuspect]

Ok lets put it this way, how much does a used trix usualy run for?

[holyfrickster]

depends on year, upgrades, adn condition. but w/e i don't need to argue with you cause i know that a trix is better than an imp and tons of people know that, a trix is a way better gun. shoots faster. and is worth more than an imp.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Shoots faster? How?

[holyfrickster]

unless you're upgrading the impulse board to a WAS and keeping the matrix baord stock then it will shoot faster. but that is against the stock board. and a trix stock board shoots faster. PERIOD.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Hmm, Unless you are guilty of using illegal bounce or ramping modes I'm having a hard time believing you have capped out a twenty two bps vision board.. WAS has yet to be capped and now comes stock on most Private label impulses like mine, The Rat LTD. Does not need to be upgraded to WAS because it comes with it.

EDIT> I just got called a noob by the pope, must be true. Damn I hate when I'm not informed of these things..

[holyfrickster]

Blow my imp away eh? Faster then a WAS board? I think not. (once I get it.. ) hmm interesting

[holyfrickster]

blah

[TheUsualSuspect]

I'm afraid you read the previous post wrong once again my freind, as it reads; "...comes stock on most private label impulses LIKE mine." Did you not read the sentence after that where I specified an impulse like mine that does?

[holyfrickster]

i wasn't quoting your previous one

[TheUsualSuspect]

Why?

[holyfrickster]

ahh nm i don't have time for this lol, we all have our own opinions later.

[TheUsualSuspect]

We made it to page four, maybe its a record.

[holyfrickster]

hey we will make it to page 5 tomorrow i'm goin to bed so tired, well pick this up tomorrow

[CoolT]

Originally posted by holyfrickster
well pick this up tomorrow

No you won't. This thread has been going for long enough about a lot of nothing. Holyfrickster, this if your unofficial warning for swearing, even asterisks aren't allowed. You should be able to get by without swearing in your posts, a lot of us manage fine with it.