Closing of the sniper thread

[PMI-guy]

What is that all about? It did not get out of hand, it did not end on an unclean or ugly note, this is stinking typical, a rediculous thread on all things HK and agg survives forever, despite complete lack of progress on anything (even depicting things that tarnish paintballs image... a dude downing whiskey with his marker in his hand? Come on! I think this should get focus instead of milsim on the tarnishing of paintballs image) not to mention pages upon pages of trivial, stupid, juvenile crap about nothing. The fact is that thread was showing all of the ignorant speedballers a fiesable argument on the existance of snipers (don't even say that "Sniping tactics exist, sniping doesn't" because that is just sheer semantics) not to mention trying to stick up for the new players (or "noobs" as the typical speedballer likes to refer to them as) so they don't feel alienated trying to play a game they love until they throw down more than 2 grand on their equipment.

All of this aside, there was no reason for the shutting down of that thread, nothing more than whiney speedballers throwing down statements like "Let this thread die!" and crap like that. This site needs to grow up.

Anyhow, I submit that the argument be continued here!

[thepeashooter]

Originally posted by PMI-guy
What is that all about? It did not get out of hand, it did not end on an unclean or ugly note, this is stinking typical, a rediculous thread on all things HK and agg survives forever, despite complete lack of progress on anything (even depicting things that tarnish paintballs image... a dude downing whiskey with his marker in his hand And a hot naked guy in his paintball gear ? Come on! I think this should get focus instead of milsim on the tarnishing of paintballs image) not to mention pages upon pages of trivial, stupid, juvenile crap about nothing. The fact is that thread was showing all of the ignorant speedballers a fiesable argument on the existance of snipers (don't even say that "Sniping tactics exist, sniping doesn't" because that is just sheer semantics) not to mention trying to stick up for the new players (or "noobs" as the typical speedballer likes to refer to them as) so they don't feel alienated trying to play a game they love until they throw down more than 2 grand on their equipment.

All of this aside, there was no reason for the shutting down of that thread, nothing more than whiney speedballers throwing down statements like "Let this thread die!" and crap like that. This site needs to grow up.

Anyhow, I submit that the argument be continued here!

[PMI-guy]

did you have to quote ALL of it to get in that one little statement? lol...

I never saw the naked man... but you saying he is in his paintball gear leads me to believe he is not naked, so it could be anyone.

[cutomcocker1]

NNNOOOOO!!!! [/fall down on knees and die]

really, plz no...http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/customcocker1/forum%20stuff/minirastadodgy.bmp

[thepeashooter]

Ive decided Im not gonna post that pic anymore because well Ive come to the realization that that will get me in some depp cah-cah. So anyone that quoted that link can you please take it out.


Sorry Mods I wasent thinking

[cutomcocker1]

Originally posted by thepeashooter



Dont click on this link it has very lustful material and is not suitable for insecure males (http://mercury.walagata.com/w/thepeashooter/AGG.gif)

i don't know what to say...does that fall under PBR's unclothed persons rule?

[MA_paintballer]

You're a moron. Maybe if you weren't a thick skulled idiot you'd realize that HK is about helping out other ballers and living to ball. Gator is in his 20's. 99% of guys in their 20s drink, what makes him so ****ing special. What you're trying to do is complete bull****. You're just pissed off that your little "debate" thread got closed, and your now trying to get the HK/Agg one closed. The difference is we're responsable and help eachother out, and talk about things HK and agg related. The sniper thread was redundant and going in circles.

[DeeBo]

So AGG means drinking and paintballing? So what if he is in his 20's? You are allowed to participate in anal sex with a member of the same sex at the age of 20, does that mean you AGG guys should be allowed to post pictures of that on here? If AGG is about helping out fellow ballers, why is there so much Anti-milsim or sniper bashing comming from them? If my thread get's closed for raising a point, maybe your AGG one should be closed to obscene pictures? Makes alot more sense doesn't it?

[thepeashooter]

Originally posted by DeeBo
So AGG means drinking and paintballing? So what if he is in his 20's? You are allowed to participate in anal sex with a member of the same sex at the age of 20, does that mean you AGG guys should be allowed to post pictures of that on here? If AGG is about helping out fellow ballers, why is there so much Anti-milsim or sniper bashing comming from them? If my thread get's closed for raising a point, maybe your AGG one should be closed to obscene pictures? Makes alot more sense doesn't it?



I dont support AGG. but I do beleive my picture helps the community as a whole, as it gives them something to strive for

[lri2x98]

Originally posted by thepeashooter



Dont click on this link it has very lustful material and is not suitable for insecure males (http://mercury.walagata.com/w/thepeashooter/AGG.gif)

:eek3: thats disturbing.......


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/lri2x97/minirastadodgy.bmp

[MA_paintballer]

Originally posted by DeeBo
So AGG means drinking and paintballing? So what if he is in his 20's? You are allowed to participate in anal sex with a member of the same sex at the age of 20, does that mean you AGG guys should be allowed to post pictures of that on here? If AGG is about helping out fellow ballers, why is there so much Anti-milsim or sniper bashing comming from them? If my thread get's closed for raising a point, maybe your AGG one should be closed to obscene pictures? Makes alot more sense doesn't it?
There's alot of anti milsim people outside of agg buddy. And there are lots of pictures of alchie in the pictures of the members thread, hell super mods even talk about it.

[dm4monkey]

Originally posted by DeeBo
So AGG means drinking and paintballing? So what if he is in his 20's? You are allowed to participate in anal sex with a member of the same sex at the age of 20
aaaannnd thats where i stopped paying attention. and come on, every time i've been woodsballing i've seen at least one guy drinking a beer and smoking at the same time so dont think that woodsballers are perfect little creatures who don't swear, drink, smoke, or bash little noobies while the speedballers are evil pothead, alcoholic, cussing noob bashers:rolleyes:

[PMI-guy]

Originally posted by MA_paintballer
You're a moron. Maybe if you weren't a thick skulled idiot you'd realize that HK is about a bunch of weiner speedballers trying to out style each other, while at the same time providing a giant pile of fluff as an explanation for the motivation of such an act. Gator is in his 20's. 99% of guys in their 20s drink, what makes him so ****ing specialThe fact that most ballers are not over 20,and the apparant "g" rating for this site.. What you're trying to do is complete bull****. You're just pissed off that your little "debate" thread got closed, and your now trying to get the HK/Agg one closed.No, I am chapped because there was no reason for that debate to get closed when these agg fruits, apparantly out to "Help out other ballers" bash anyone who is new, therefore effectively ousting a large group of paintballers. Grow up, your "helping each other out" fluff is not going to fly here. The difference is we're responsable and help eachother outWhich is why I see statements like "I gogged noobs" and "Snipers are noobs" from you people, obviously against the new player and any development of paintball in terms of a player base. Not to mention this agg crap makes us look like we all use fruity gamer terms like noob, pwned, owned, etc... also, the aggers were the majority of those breaking out "end yourself" and "drink bleach"... not very supportive., and talk about things HK and agg related. The sniper thread was redundant and going in circles.HA! That agg thread is honestly the most pointless thing in the world, it is honestly the epitome of redundance, nothing but "Look at my agg gear" or "lick my agg ballsack"

For the record, pea shooters pic was kinda funny.

[Jeezer]

If everything we did had a point, all we would do is exercise, eat, purge bowels, sleep, rinse, repeat.

[DeeBo]

Originally posted by MA_paintballer

There's alot of anti milsim people outside of agg buddy. And there are lots of pictures of alchie in the pictures of the members thread, hell super mods even talk about it.

I didn't say AGG is the only anti-milsim movement there is. But it is rampant in AGG players. You talk about helping grow the sport and help other ballers, yet this means nothing when you bash noobs, snipers, milsim, etc.

I don't care if mods do it. They aren't gods. This is a G site, and that is unacceptable. You can't tell me that pictures of scantly clad men, and people guzzling booze is more acceptable than the word sniper. HA! What a freakin joke!

[coolrazer]

Oh Noes! My special sniper thread got closed! Let the jealousy ensue! Why should the agg ballers still have their thread???

OMG TEH CLOSE IT MODS!!!!


[/sarcasm]

Gimme a break pmi/deebo

:rolleyes:

[Infiltrator]

There are snipers in scenario games and woodsball and then there are agg people in speedball. Makes alot of sense to me. Both come from the majority of new people cycling into the sport. Although there are no professional aggers and professional snipers they still contribute greatly to the sport.

[PMI-guy]

Originally posted by coolrazer
Oh Noes! My special sniper thread got closed! Let the jealosy ensue! Why should the agg ballers still have their thread???

OMG TEH CLOSE IT MODS!!!!


[/sarcasm]

Gimme a break pmi/deebo

:rolleyes:

Grow up, when crap gets closed for no reason, I think it is stupid. You also didn't catch my bit about fruity game lingo and net lingo did you?

[MA_paintballer]

This is a bigger waste of bandwidth than the Alaska thread. You're *****ing that resembles that of a 8 year old won't get the agg thread closed.

[dm4monkey]

Originally posted by PMI-guy

You also didn't catch my bit about fruity game lingo
yes, building a vocabulary based around paintball is much worse then a bunch of weekend warriors in tac-vests going "tangos left flank! throw the smoke grenades! SNIPER IN THE TREES!"

[DeeBo]

It can be easily argued that the "Fruity net lingo" does more damage to the sport than milsim by infantalizing its appearance to the public. Yes, we looks like a bunch of punk kid misfits with guns.

Milsim DOES NOT HURT THE SPORT. The sport was born in the woods with camo, and it has grown. People like war movies, and video games and you don't a bunch of losers crying about them. So what if people want to role play in a military situation? It is no different than watching a war movie of playing a game.

[PMI-guy]

Originally posted by MA_paintballer
This is a bigger waste of bandwidth than the Alaska thread. You're *****ing that resembles that of a 8 year old won't get the agg thread closed.

Nice use of your, and the vulgarity really discredits you as a person. You are clearly just snapping out because someone took a shot at agg, this wonderful thing to help out all paintballers.


yes, building a vocabulary based around paintball is much worse then a bunch of weekend warriors in tac-vests going "tangos left flank! throw the smoke grenades! SNIPER IN THE TREES!"

Trivial crap, it is utterly debatable if that is better than "I just pwned some n00bs with my gat, seriously I shot faces all up the field." at least the military doesn't make paintballers look like a bunch of idiot kids, or even hostile kids.

[|GB|]

Originally posted by PMI-guy
Grow up, when crap gets closed for no reason, I think it is stupid. You also didn't catch my bit about fruity game lingo and net lingo did you?


Your the one that needs to grow up, I'm sorry to say. You could've easily PM'd a mod, and saved this whole discussion, but you wanted to make a big deal out of a pointless thread that nobody cared about.

[wordf0o]

Just please end this discussion. There will be no resolve so let's just it now because you're wasting bandwidth and space. More importantly, you're wasting bandwidth.

[coolrazer]

He reminds me of a 1st grader that has to have the innocent people go down with him because he got in trouble.

Get over it man.

[Infiltrator]

I don't think anyone should be judged a horrible player because they played woodsball, mil-sim, speedball or whatever once in thier lives until you actually play against them. Of course, people with experience tend to know which one of these you will find the most of the good players. Which one of those types are the most easiest to defeat. But who would care? No matter what you say over the internet it's not going to go anywhere. Just like on the field, the trash talk, before the game which will show who the best players are. People will always talk to you and give advice, as if you could learn something from somebody who has only been playing for 6 months. The only way to do this is just ignore them or argue. Which I always tend to argue over the internet. But on the field I guess I can easily just prove myself in the game so I can act like I am getting a lesson from the guy when I am not. Then after the game say, "What was that you said?" There's no actions to prove on a message board.

[DeeBo]

If the AGG people are so into helping other ballers out. Why is there no outcry from them? Why don't we hear about the injustices done to milsim paintball from the AGG crowd? This is a disgusting and outright biased move. The AGG thread is way worse than any Milsim thread, yet it remains open. Can you explain that?

The fact is, you are not innocent. Agg people are the reason sniper threads get closed. They flame, they spam, they complain, they do everything in their power to close milsim threads. And why? They aren't out there to help other ballers. If you really were, you would all PM the mods and get the sniper thread reopened with a public appology for so biasly closing it. But you won't, because despite agg trying to be about helping others, it really is just about some punk image you all want to show off.

[dm4monkey]

Originally posted by PMI-guy

Trivial crap, it is utterly debatable if that is better than "I just pwned some n00bs with my gat, seriously I shot faces all up the field." at least the military doesn't make paintballers look like a bunch of idiot kids, or even hostile kids.
notice how i cut out the net lingo part on what i quoted. personally i think net lingo used in any other way than to make fun of people who use it is utterly retarded and should earn you a bonus ball. additionally i've never heard a person say "pwned" seriously other then over the net.

[coolrazer]

I played woods for 3 years. I got bored with it and moved on to speedball to find another challege. After playing both, I find speedball more enjoyable. All that I would like to see is for certain people to try to force their personal views on others by making page long rants on why snipers > all. Your like the frickin Jehovah's Witness.

OMG BEWARE OF TEH 1337 SNIPERZ!

[PMI-guy]

FIrst off, don't say stuff like "just end this, blah blah blah" because that is just passive, this site is passive enough without that crap arising and "taking up bandwidth"

coolrazor-

first off, forcing our views on people? By that logic any discussion or debate is forcing my views. This also coming from the group who calls everyone who doesn't fall into their style "noobs". Who is forcing the views here? Think before you fly out here with hypocritical crap.

[DeeBo]

That is such BULL! I have seen so many anti-woods threads its not even funny. Every person who posts anything about a sniper gets flamed. If you want to deny that, then fine, put your blinders back on. Obviously you did not read or comprhend my thread.

But again your bias shows through. You think all speedballers are better than woodplayers. Afterall you needed a new challange, because you mastered the woods? Give me a break. I know plenty of speedballers that came back to woodsball when they "grew up". They hate speedball because of the cheating, the "style", the kids that think they pwn everyone. I never once said woods is better than speedball. But dont be so ignorant to say that woodsplayers are the biased ones preaching their gospel.

[wordf0o]

Originally posted by coolrazer
You're all like the frickin Jehovah's Witness.

:laugh:...I'm serious that's actually funny.

[Samrog777]

Originally posted by coolrazer
Oh Noes! My special sniper thread got closed! Let the jealousy ensue! Why should the agg ballers still have their thread???

OMG TEH CLOSE IT MODS!!!!


[/sarcasm]

Gimme a break pmi/deebo

:rolleyes:

No kidding. I think we should let you have your little sniper thread, if that makes you happy timmy, and we'll keep our HK/AGG thread. YOu stay 100 miles away from ours, we'll keep out of yours. (both unless you ACTUALLY have something pertinent to say)

EDIT: MODS- MAKE A MILSIM/SCENARIO FORUM SO THESE THREADS DON'T EXIST ANYMORE. PLEASE. I BEG YOU.

[coolrazer]

The main reason the sniper threads get flamed are because of your little buddies.

"I want to be a sniper guys. Help me out.

Should I get the Deer Hunter Scope Mounted on my tippmann, or should I stick with my red dot scope.

Is a 20 in barrel too short?"

Seriously, seeing guns that look exactly like M-16's turn people off from paintball.

You can thank all of your fellow sniper buddies for that.

But again your bias shows through. You think all speedballers are better than woodplayers. Afterall you needed a new challange, because you mastered the woods?

Show me where I said any of this. If you are going to try to prove a point, back up your statements with facts.

[Downfall08]

Originally posted by Samrog777

you ACTUALLY have something pertinent to say)

EDIT: MODS- MAKE A MILSIM/SCENARIO FORUM SO THESE THREADS DON'T EXIST ANYMORE. PLEASE. I BEG YOU.
great idea. put it somewhere far away too

this whole thread just seems like an excuse to start a flame war against agg while complaining. The old agg thread got closed but did anyone make a thread saying "ITS THE DAMN SNIPERSES FUALT!" no. a new one started and if you dont like it, stay away. just dont flame it for some trivial reason

[coolrazer]

At least they made a separate thread to do it, instead of spamming up the main one.

I commend them for that.

[DeeBo]

Originally posted by coolrazer
The main reason the sniper threads get flamed are because of your little buddies.

"I want to be a sniper guys. Help me out.

Should I get the Deer Hunter Scope Mounted on my tippmann, or should I stick with my red dot scope.

Is a 20 in barrel too short?"

Seriously, seeing guns that look exactly like M-16's turn people off from paintball.

You can thank all of your fellow sniper buddies for that.



Show me where I said any of this. If you are going to try to prove a point, back up your statements with facts.

So it's ok to flame new players if they ask about 20'' barrels or red dots? That makes no sense.

Speeking of backing up my statements with facts. There is absolutly NO PROOF that m16 style guns hurt the sport. Infact, they help it. These people get into paintball, buy equipment, buy paint, pay field owners memberships etc. This is crap. Your posts are a joke.

[dm4monkey]

Originally posted by DeeBo
There is absolutly NO PROOF that m16 style guns hurt the sport. Infact, they help it. These people get into paintball, buy equipment, buy paint, pay field owners memberships etc. This is crap. Your posts are a joke.
and your posts are hypocritical :tup: you whine about agg pbers spending tons of cash on their setups but then you back up your arguement by saying that mil-sim brings money into paintball?

[PMI-guy]

No kidding. I think we should let you have your little sniper thread, if that makes you happy timmy, and we'll keep our HK/AGG thread. YOu stay 100 miles away from ours, we'll keep out of yours. (both unless you ACTUALLY have something pertinent to say)

EDIT: MODS- MAKE A MILSIM/SCENARIO FORUM SO THESE THREADS DON'T EXIST ANYMORE. PLEASE. I BEG YOU.

I don't think that works, you know what... make a "Speedball/agg" forum so those agg threads don't exist anymore! Look, this is general paintball, pal. You can't just try and segregate everything just because you are afraid of conflict.

The main reason the sniper threads get flamed are because of your little buddies.

"I want to be a sniper guys. Help me out.

Should I get the Deer Hunter Scope Mounted on my tippmann, or should I stick with my red dot scope.

Is a 20 in barrel too short?"

Seriously, seeing guns that look exactly like M-16's turn people off from paintball.

You can thank all of your fellow sniper buddies for that
Unfortunately these guys are new, and instead of giving them fiesable answers you reply with flames and garbage. You don't inform, you shut down and alienate, and I am sick of seeing it. I don't use a 20 inch barrel, or even wear camo, I just think new players should be welcomed a bit better.

No, the "realistic guns" don't turn people off of paintball any more than your lack of hospitality.


this whole thread just seems like an excuse to start a flame war against agg while complaining. The old agg thread got closed but did anyone make a thread saying "ITS THE DAMN SNIPERSES FUALT!" no. a new one started and if you dont like it, stay away. just dont flame it for some trivial reason
Flame... my is that a popular word these days. At least I am not "flaming" a new player.

[coolrazer]

Yes, the M16 looking guns do hurt the sport. It reinforces the violent war type stereotype that paintball is so often given. A parent not sure about letting their kid play could go down and see many tippmanns decked out in milsim and not let their kid play. I know that a spyder or shocker/timmy/dm5 looks less threatening to a new player than a M16 milsim gun would.

DeeBo, you are a joke. Where do you come off trying to turn this around to be Agg's fault? You want a debate, well you've got one. I sense some hostility from you....

[DeeBo]

Originally posted by dm4monkey

and your posts are hypocritical :tup: you whine about agg pbers spending tons of cash on their setups but then you back up your arguement by saying that mil-sim brings money into paintball?

where did I ever say anything about AGG people spending money on their setup? Get your facts straight before you post anything so stupid.

That is so stupid. If you ask most new players they love the milsim look. Thats why they are so gung ho about the sniper idea. You cant have it both ways. Either noobs are snipers, or noobs are scared of milsim. If new players were so scared of milsim why would they like the idea of sniping? I know when I first started playing, I was more afraid of the timmys and angels than I was of A-5's and 98's. Don't give me that garbage. Milsim does not hurt the sport. How can you say milsim scares off new players, yet you says its ok for AGG people to make fun of new players that ask about 20'' barrels? You people are so stupid it makes me sick.

You are right you sense some hostiliy. I had a legitimate and useful thread closed, and for what reason? Because some AGG fruits want to take over this site? You have no arguments. This is just some stupid fad paintball (or at least online forums) are/is going through. I hate to think where paintball is headed if people like you are leading the way.

[coolrazer]

Originally posted by DeeBo
You talk about helping grow the sport and help other ballers, yet this means nothing when you bash noobs, snipers, milsim, etc.


I forgot to address this earlier, anyway...

Agg is all about Speeball. Speeball is where the sport is growing, not in the woods. How many 24 hour scenario games have you seen on ESPN lately? None. This is where agg is trying to help other ballers and helping the sport grow.

[amzng_spyderman]

hehehe. this thread, in its entirety, sucks so much it's funny. keep it up.

[etmydst]

why some speedballers dont like woodsballers (look at the whole page):http://www.thepaintballsniper.com/pages/1/page1.html?refresh=1104692223889

[DeeBo]

Speedball is where the sport is growing in the public eye. So therefore, the only damage done to paintball can be attributed to speedball? Afterall, it gets all the press. It is on TV because it is the only paintball that is easily filmed. So the public sees cheating, and fruity skater style. You cant say that milsim hurts the sport, because it gets NO press at all. The only negative press paintball gets is from idiot kids on the street.

The amount of woodsplayers is also growing, as well as milsim. Dont try to give me the garbage of speedball is the only important part of paintball. It is FAR from it.

[PMI-guy]

Originally posted by coolrazer
Yes, the M16 looking guns do hurt the sport. It reinforces the violent war type stereotype that paintball is so often given. A parent not sure about letting their kid play could go down and see many tippmanns decked out in milsim and not let their kid play. I know that a spyder or shocker/timmy/dm5 looks less threatening to a new player than a M16 milsim gun would.Great, I guess I should just accept this without ANY evidence to back it up at all... oh wait, that would make me a man of your calibur and we don't want that. Look, either way a gun is a gun, and the nature of the sport will never change. Plus, it is very arguable that parents are more afraid of a bunch of punk "hostile kidz" then a marker.

DeeBo, you are a joke. Where do you come off trying to turn this around to be Agg's fault? You want a debate, well you've got one. I sense some hostility from you....HAHAHAHAHAHA! Ha...ha. First off, he is saying that you aren't benefiting anything with the agg like you try and say you are, second off he is saying that scenarios aren't as detrimental as you would like to believe.

[PMI-guy]

Originally posted by amzng_spyderman
hehehe. this thread, in its entirety, sucks so much it's funny. keep it up.

Way to contribute there big guy, you could have at least validated your idiotic views, oh well...


why some speedballers dont like woodsballers (look at the whole page):http://www.thepaintballsniper.com/p...h=1104692223889

That is kinda funny, but I could say the same thing about "speedball, the movie" (A rediculous site up a while back, full of just pure stupidity)

Here is a thought, just because speedball is shown more does it mean it is played more? NFL is shown more, but I will bet you alotta people play flag football, catch with a football, and other various game types more than people play in the nfl.

[dm4monkey]

Originally posted by DeeBo


where did I ever say anything about AGG people spending money on their setup? Get your facts straight before you post anything so stupid.

whoops my fault, pmi said it
so they don't feel alienated trying to play a game they love until they throw down more than 2 grand on their equipment.

[UTLadiesMan]

Oh man, I'm laughing myself into a coma.


This thread contains a whole bunch of people arguing at each other over why that thread was closed. In short, only I know why it was closed and you were all pretty much wrong.


Yes it was a bit flamy, but it was getting really spammy and a bit OT... so I chunked it. I've taken at least a dozen posts out of there the last week, and I just wasn't into it much anymore. I've taken a number out of the AGG thread too, but honestly I haven't been watching it as closely.

You see something that shouldn't be on this site? REPORT IT. REPORT IT. REPORT IT. Frankly I am sick and tired of all the users who complain that someone's post is against the rules and was 'allowed to stand'. Well, I didn't see it because it wasn't reported. Sorry, but I do not have the time or the patience to read 35+ pages of AGG and sniper crap a day. I read all new threads, check on ones that may get ugly, and quickly browse any that are spam or flame magnets. (like these two) If you see a post against the user rules, REPORT IT. It takes 2 smurfin' seconds. Geez.


Also, how many of you "pro-woods" guys actually think that the current AGG thread is their first? Or their second? Actually, I'm pretty sure it's not even the third one to reach 10+ pages. They eventually just get too far off topic and get axed. It happened to the woods thread, big freakin' deal. You think that's the first woods thread to get axed?



In short... If you guys keep whining about it, you may find neither type here next week.

[UTLadiesMan]

I was just going to close this, but I have always been a firm believer in user rights and I think you should all get a chance to tell us what's on your mind.

So, I'm keeping it open for 24 hours.

[DeeBo]

The sniper thread was not off topic. Even people who dissagreed with it commented on the fact that it has remained ON topic. Look at almost every post by the mod spydey. Why don't you delete that crap? Totally useless, and offensive.

The sniper thread was ALOT cleaner than almost every thread on this site. AND it remained on topic. The difference between the sniper thread and the the AGG thread is that the sniper post has a purpose.

The biases shown by most mods is horrible. I have made my point. I think it would be appropriate for a new forum rule or sticky to be made. It should state that there should be no flaming of snipers, or spamming of sniper threads. Why not that? Why should the new snipers/players be subjected to such ignorance? Anti-Snipers cannot prove snipers don't exist, so flaming of snipers should not be tolerated. There has never been an intelligent Anti-Sniper thread made.

Something should be done to protect ALL aspects of the game of paintball. Not JUST speedball or AGG.

[rcxpaintball]

Piss and moan...piss and moan....

The thread got closed, big deal. Give it a week or so and you will have another sniper thread to post on. It wasnt that good of a thread to begin with.

Threads come and go, learn to live with it. As for the sniper thread it was honestly just a bunch of pointless posts and spam. Dont debate it, its the truth....some post were good I will give you that but for the most part the thread was full of crappy posts. I say "Huzzah!" to the mod who closed it, if it had been up to me, that sucker would have been closed faster than you could have said "Holy Sniper Thread Spamming Batman!"

I think you might want to reassess your lives. If your emotionally distressed after a thread on an online forum gets closed, its time for some changes to be made....

[wordf0o]

Attacking other users and sniperswill not be tolerated, which includes: flaming, posts designed to antagonize or offend other snipers users, and any other such actions subject to our discretion. Antagonizing or demeaning language that isn't necessarily directed at any sniperor individual may be unacceptable, but for snipers, it is an immediate ban. So remember, don't attack others, but above all remember that the snipers are supreme and can not be attacked. If they are attacked, it is an immediate ban for every 5 Agg person or any speedballer seen since they snipers are too little in number. Also snipers should can not be banned.

A new rule just for you.
:D ;)

[MA_paintballer]

Look at any woodsball thread, and you'll see just as many non agg/hk people making fun of snipers as there are agg/hk. Let us do our own thing. If you would care to read through it, you'd see that theres alot of people helping each other out. I believe it was. People give things out in the HK thread expecting nothing in return. We do it to help one another out. There's alot worse stuff on this site than the hk/agg thread. And just fyi, the HK/Agg "revolution" has been going on for over a year, and what terrible thing's have been happening to paintball?
Here's an essay on what HK means to one of our members (sto):
Originally posted by STO Balla 22
I can't say anything about Gator drinking, because I do it too...although not on that level. He needs to lose the smokes though, as the budget man said, he'll kill his agg self. :tdown:

Here's my essay for the PBN contest:
My Essay Entry

Culture is what drives us. It is the reason humans push through the worst of times, the longest days, and the saddest hours. It is our fuel, our motivation, and our cause for doing things that seem insane to others. When I was a fairly new player, I was totally unaware huge culture that Paintball has become. This ignorance caused me to almost quit Paintball forever. This is my story.
After a long day of playing, I set my fully upgraded STO Cocker on a table at my field’s rest area. One of my best friends was reffing, and asked me to come out on the field with him while he reffed just to chill and talk. As we watched the game, everything seemed normal, just a game like any other. As we walked off the field, a strange feeling rose up in my stomach, and a sick feeling pulsed throughout my body. As I approached my table, I saw that my gun was gone. My friend’s tank was also on it. As we searched through the field, we knew only one group had left that had been eyeing my gun earlier. There was no doubt in my mind that they had stolen it, but after calling them they denied everything. We searched through every car with no luck, my gun was gone. As I called my parents to tell them what happened, they were furious. How could a paintballer do this to another person that shared the same love? Did I expect them to buy me a new gun? Was paintball just an endless money pit? As I walked into my room, I saw the spot where my gun should have been. My heart sank, and thoughts of quitting Paintball rushed through my head. Was it really for me? Was I just meant not to play? Why wasn’t Paintball fun anymore? Did I really want to be the best if I couldn’t have any fun while doing it? The questions kept going through my head, but the answers were hard to find.

My parents decided that Paintball was worth still pursuing, but I was still unsure. They told me they would buy me an Angel LCD, so I bought one from a JMD player. I headed up to my field on a Saturday to try it out, and played one game of recball. I slid into some barrels, and shot one ball. I gogged a noob, and the rush of adrenaline was back. Maybe Paintball really was for me, this was the same feeling I had when I first played. I moved up the field without shooting any more paint, until I saw someone in the woods. As I took my next shot, my gun didn’t work. After trying to fix it myself and bringing it to local stores four times, it still wouldn’t work. My parents were fed up, but most of all, I was fed up. I bought a gun that didn’t work off someone that I trusted. My assumptions seemed right, all Paintballers were in it for themselves, they didn’t care about other players. I hadn’t had a gun that worked for months, so I spend a lot of my time on PBR and PBN, hoping that maybe I would be able to stay interested in Paintball. I had heard about HK before, but everything I heard was negative. I assumed they were the same kind of people that I assumed Paintballers had become. One Saturday during the summer my boredom took the best of me. I headed over to the HK/AGG thread on PBN.

After reading the first page of the thread, I recognized the article from PGI. After reading and scanning through hundreds of pages, I saw players playing with a style I rarely saw. I heard of players giving things away, throwing jerseys into the stands at national events, and doing all they could to be the best players they could be while still having the time of their lives. That’s what I wanted. I wanted to be able to live the life they lived, I wanted to be an awesome player and have fun at the same time. I read the thread one page at a time; every new post was exciting, each picture showed a unique style. I read for months, coming home and checking the thread became a daily routine. I started to adopt the style into my game, and it became a part of me. Soon I started posting, and helped keep the new HK/AGG thread alive on PBR. I knew this wasn’t just a fad, this was something I was extremely interested in.

On my birthday, my parents surprised me with something I had never dreamed of. As my Mom walked into the kitchen to “get my cake”, she came out with a Black/Blue/Silver Texas Storm Timmy on a platter, along with a 68/4500 Crossfire LP Tank. I was blown away, and they told me that Nick (my friend from earlier), had told them what to get me over e-mail. I ran upstairs and got a HK Sticker that a Steve had sent me with the jersey I had ordered about a week before, and slapped it on my reg block. Everything felt right.

As I continued to practice with my team, everything was fun again. I saw playing, doing drills, and even setting up and taking down the airball field in a new light. As I continued to progress as a player, I kept having fun, the feeling of adrenaline never died away. Helping out other supporters became something that was part of my life, and generosity, something that had never been easy for me, was now normal. HK showed me what true Paintball is, what having fun and being a great player is, and how great generosity can make you feel. Without learning about this huge culture as well as HK Support, I’m afraid that I wouldn’t be playing right now. To all the HK Members, Affiliates, and Supporters everywhere, thank you for your generosity, your kindness, and helping me make it through these hard times. If I had quit, I would have missed out on so many experiences that have totally changed me and my outlook on life.

[ShockerKid82]

Wait a secodn your not the real PMI guy.. And there are no snipers in paintball but there is AGG

[dm4monkey]

Originally posted by DeeBo

The sniper thread was ALOT cleaner than almost every thread on this site. AND it remained on topic. The difference between the sniper thread and the the AGG thread is that the sniper post has a purpose.
just because you dont like it doesnt mean it is useless.

[UTLadiesMan]

There are plenty of people who think the AGG thread is 'actually helpul' and the sniper thread was useless.

They're both useless, sorry. :)

[Jaster]

Originally posted by DeeBo
The sniper thread was ALOT cleaner than almost every thread on this site. AND it remained on topic. The difference between the sniper thread and the the AGG thread is that the sniper post has a purpose.

The biases shown by most mods is horrible. I have made my point. I think it would be appropriate for a new forum rule or sticky to be made. It should state that there should be no flaming of snipers, or spamming of sniper threads. Why not that? Why should the new snipers/players be subjected to such ignorance? Anti-Snipers cannot prove snipers don't exist, so flaming of snipers should not be tolerated. There has never been an intelligent Anti-Sniper thread made.

you want to know why it was cleaner? Because the staff cleans it out every day. After a while we get sick of picking up the mess from some of you. We try our best to keep things open but when it gets out of control it's done and closed. Some of you might not like that, you may say we're doing it to bust on certain people...whatever you want to believe is fine. We close threads because they go above the rules. Plain and simple. No hidden motives or agendas. In some of you're opinions you find sniper threads worthless. Well they help someone. Some of you're opinions say the AGG/HK threads are worthless. Well they help someone. Just because they are worthless to one doesn't mean it's worthless to everyone. Some of you are going to have to learn to deal with that.

We close what WE think needs to be closed. When you're all mods or supers you'll have to use YOUR judgment to the best of your ability. Then you can catch all the flack for it. We are very well aware of what our job is and how to do it. Maybe, just maybe, if some of you would grow up and realize your opinions are for everyone and someone thinks different then you and that's ok, we wouldn't have so many closed threads.
In the mean time though, we the staff all realize it's our fault that threads get closed because none of you could manage to control yourselves. Yeppers...all our fault. :rolleyes:

[wordf0o]

Originally posted by Jaster

In some of you're opinions you find sniper threads worthless. Well they help someone. Some of you're opinions say the AGG/HK threads are worthless. Well they help someone. Just because they are worthless to one doesn't mean it's worthless to everyone. Some of you are going to have to learn to deal with that.



One person's garbage is one person's treasure.:D

[Jaster]

exactly. And it part time that idea gets some respect.

[Infiltrator]

I agree although I still like to argue my point. Woodsball does not = sniperfest. I am not anti woodsball, anti tourney, anti scenario or anti-speedball because I enjoy all of them entirely. It's just the snipers and the people who think that I think they are not skilled because I am politically correct.

Mil-sim marker. Let's see. One of my backmen on my tourney team used to have them when he used to play soley woodsball. He hated it like no other. He couldn't fit behind a tree, it was super inaccurate, heavy, clunky and it just plain old sucked performance wise. That's why a milsim marker turns people off the sport. It's because it attracts them to it, and then because it's not really designed for the type of firefights that are as intense and close range as paintball, almost makes them want to quit. Thankfully this backman (who got really good in the last days I was in Florida, an aggressive backman is so refreshing) bought an autococker instead of quitting paintball for good. He went from a tippman/milsim marker lover to a diehard autococker fan. I never saw such a huge change of mind in all of my experience. He downed all other markers even in dogmaticism after he bought his autococker.

I am writing this to say that the mil-sim formula held back a REALLY good player from playing to his full potential. This is why I hate mil-sim markers, not the players, I hate the markers holding back the players from giving me a more challenging game. Stop putting words into my mouth and saying I am politically correct because I think snipers suck. They aren't bad players, it's only thier "sniper" mentality and thier stupid sniper setups that hold them back from being good players. I am not anti-woodsball for being anti-sniper. I am not politically correct because I am constantly treating paintball like a war. How else would most of us be covered in mud or dirt after a game and be able to take getting shotup from under 10 feet away and be able to take the pain?

Some of the speedballers that come onto here and preach are freaking new people as well. They don't know diddly squat about there own field preference and they probably only eliminate one person every two games.

I have seen this before. If a speedball player goes onto a woodsball field with at LEAST some of his teamates, the communication he is used to will help him win that woodsball game. But if a speedballer goes onto a woodsball field and is put in with a bunch of woodsballers who don't communicate like he is used to, he will probably be the first to go out. Also if the teamate he is communicating is eliminated he tends to get stuck in one place until he is flanked. Then there is the AM/Pro tourney players and even other unknown recballers that are just good at paintball individually anywhere at anytime. They can win games even when thier entire team is eliminated. If a woodsballer is put on a decent team in speedball, and he takes a decent bunker, he will eliminate a bunch of people from just the accuracy of his shots. But if he is not incorporated into the game plan, he will be the first to be eliminated. Also if the woodsballers on a team do not make thier plans before the game starts, thier entire team will be eliminated in seconds just like anyone else who doesn't make a plan. If they do not step up the pace, that they got used to in woodsball they won't get very far.

[Radius]

Originally posted by PMI-guy


Way to contribute there big guy, you could have at least validated your idiotic views, oh well...

*snip*



He doesn't have to, he's right.

I think the saddest thing in paintball is the holier-than-thou attitude some people take on when relating different styles of play. I accept some people like speedball and others don't. I really like playing MilSim-style games because I think it's more fun. If I want to run around mindlessly shooting as fast as I can for five minutes I'll jump on the 'puter and play Doom3.

Why can't people accept the fact that MilSim games and realistic markers, I mean GUNS, are just as valid as the guns used for speedball? Should we really get rid of what made paintball accepted in the first place?

[PMI-guy]

First off, I would like to say that it is not the scenario goers taking the holier than thou stance, they are just trying to defend themselves. I honestly didn't think of speedball as anything more than a fun variation of paintball until I started looking in the general forums. Posts like "Woods is ruining paintballs image" or "Milsim rant thread" unfortunately left me feeling like I was on the defensive. I don't think I am better than anyone playing speedball (mainly because they could probably hand my arse to me on a platter on the speedball field and prolly in the woods, too :P) but I just feel that milsim and woods is as big of a part of paintball as speedball is.

To the mods -

I didn't realize the whole cleaning up aspect of the thread. That puts it into way better perspective and pretty much answers my question lol. Thanks

Wait a secodn your not the real PMI guy.. And there are no snipers in paintball but there is AGG

Way to be, bright eyes!

And as for that essay, I read that stupid thing earlier, it honestly made me laugh. I gogged a noob? Perfect example of the labeling, generalizing, and ostracizing of the new players. Not to mention that this whole "agg revolution" thing is just an honest fad. I was reading that thread I see questions like "Is my jersey agg? Is my marker agg?" That is nothing more than style, you may as well try and tell me nike is a revolution, or that ebonics is a revolution.

[DeeBo]

Jaster,

Im not blaming the mods for closing it. I new from the begining it would probably be closed. My problem is it was closed without warning or reason. It was also curiously closed right after an HK/AGG sympathizer suggested it be closed.

The big issue here is that there are mods that are brutally biased and abuse their power. Take Amzing_Spyderman for example. He posted 2 threads/Rants about how milsim is ruining the sport. I wonder why he reccomended my thread be closed? Could it be because it was making some progress in the area of helping out milsim? He posts alot of useless stuff, mostly in the form of flaming new players and or snipers.

My beef here is that milsim/sniper threads get no respect from many ignorant members and the occasional ignorant moderator. Yet nothing is done about it. People regularily say things like, "teh sniporz = teh ghey". I have seen a bunch of teenage punks verbally abuse a 40 year old dad that posted about buying his son a "sniper" paintball gun for christmas. Its this kind of garbage that is going to hurt the sport. If PBreview is going to so unfriendly to the milsim crowd then why don't you post a sticky about how snipers and milsim players are unwelcome here? You made a new rule about telling people to end themselves because advertisers didn't like the image. Well what about sponsors like Ariakon? Do you think they are thrilled about the anti-milsim rhetoric that is posted on here constantly. Even by mods like spydey?

I know mods have a tough job. And I certainly do not want their responsibility. And out of all the mods I respect you, Jaster the most. You gave my thread a chance which a mod like spydey would have never even considered. I also PM'd UTladiesman, and tried to address this issue quietly. I didn't start this thread, but you can bet I'm going to defend myself in it.

So now we can sit back and talk about how its our fault the thread got closed. But the term our has a new meaning now. As if "our" sport wasn't polarized enough. Now was it the milsim/sniper noobs fault it was closed? Or was it the speedball/AGG's fault?

Darren

[Superandy12]

how come so prejudice against snipa?

[wordf0o]

Well, some people feel that a sniper is someone who fires far away, hitting people with perfect accuracy.

We all know that paintball guns can't shoot far range or with perfect accuracy.

[dm4monkey]

the hk thread is probably going to be closed soon anyways, everyone is *****ing in there

[Downfall08]

i can see the HK thread getting closed soon. Things are just getting too offtopic and flames are spouting up everywhere. I dont know what caused it but the last day or so, things have gone to hell.

And spydey is anything but ignorant. He has the best ideals about woodsball i have ever seen.

[UTLadiesMan]

Closed as promised.

I even gave you an extra 10 minutes. :)