Smart Parts Ion or Evil Omen

[POGUE182]

Im getting a new gun and i cant decide....The Ion or The Omen form EVIL?????? Pros and Cons.....Thanks

[Apache Baller]

i heard omens suck and i heard ions rule so get an ion

[ProX]

Ion, for sure.

[Dr J]

Omens have been around for a while and there cam feed is kinda cool, but they don't work that great. It's basically a closed bolt piranha. Properly kept, the omen is a good gun, but it seems to be finicky and the cam feed has design flaws.


The Ion I shot was very impressive. $300 price tag, fast shooter, accurate, light, and small. The Ion beats the Omen in 4 of those 5 catagories and ties for accuracy (since the ball doesn't care if it's open or closed bolt.)

Ease of maintanance, edge goes to Omen.
Required maintanance, edge goes to Ion.

[milkydude8]

Well of course everyone is going to tell you to buy an ION, this is the ION forums by the way. :D

Personally I'd say Smart Parts Ion is way better than an Evil Omen. Ion comes with great stock parts and i'd trust Smart Parts to make a better\more trust worthy paintball marker than Evil. (Don't get me wrong Evil make great stuff but paintball markers isn't one of their strong suits.)

[firekow]

The stock reg and barrel off the omen are actually good. It also comes with an on/off instead of a duckbill. I've heard the ion's stock barrel should be replaced, and that the reg's recharge rate leaves much to be desired. The cam feed on an omen is tricky to set up, though. I'd say ion, since you get break-beam eyes and a lot of potential in a marker.

[Dr J]

actually the reg detonator has a very good recharge... it just doesn't seem to be as consistant as others. The pressure seems to fluctuate/oscillate.

[firekow]

I was actually referring to the Ion's stock reg with that comment. I've heard good things about the detonator too, and from Rob that the recharge rate on the ion's reg isn't exactly great.

[Dr J]

I've actually heard both sides of the argument from a couple sources I trust, with regards to the Ion reg.

Just from seeing the diagrams in the manual... I don't like it. To much like an Ergo reg.

[SuperBeaner]

The Omen is a great performer and very silent (at least the one that I see on my field). It also seems a lot easier to take apart than the Ion. It all depends on you.

[RiceBurner923]

i dont think there is any better gun than the ion for the $300 range. just take the ion, although i've never shot one before.

[ProX]

The Ion absolutely RIPS! Trust me...you'll get a lot of attention(good attention) and a lot of hits using that baby. I know first hand.

[Stan the HitMan]

Omen- (15 bps stock...i think) up to 25 bps with new board supposedly
ion- 17 bps stock, new and exiting upgrades yet to come out
winner: omen...for now

omen- cam feed
ion- BB eye
winner: ion

omen: what appears to be a sky scraper not a feed neck
ion: a satisfactory feed neck, but highly replaceable
winner: ion

Omen: comes in different colors and can be annoed
Ion: Interchangeable body, quick and easy
Tie depending on how much money you have for an anno
but if your broke: winner: ion

Omen: closed bolt
ion: open bolt
winner: you decide

omen: cocker threads
ion: impy threads
winner: omen

omen: evil/pmi in disguise customer service
ion: Smart Parts customer service
winner: ion

omen: up to0 $700+ cdn
ion: up to $400 cdn
winner ion

Omen: an evil closed bolt fishy
ion: identity crisis between a shocker and a nerfgun, but whose to say Nerf guns aren't completely bad ***! it pulls a good happy medium and is here to replace the impulse, the omens natural predator
winner: undecided

(1 year later)
with the extra money i saved buying my ion as opposed to an omen i got a new board that makes it better than your omen in bps, or i got an Hpa tank, or a mega cool reg, or a reloader B with a rip drive, or a stiffi/pipe/scepter/freak kit, or a relay crappy car

winner: ion, you get a better bang for your buck

[SuperBeaner]

Originally posted by Stan the HitMan

omen: what appears to be a sky scraper not a feed neck
ion: a satisfactory feed neck, but highly replaceable
winner: ion

Actually the Omen has an interchangeable feedneck with Impulse threads :cool:

[Stan the HitMan]

i know, it has the same feedneck threads as the ion if im not mistaken, but im talking about stock.
new feedneck=top priority for omen

[CueBall42]

That's one reason why I'm going for an Ion. With the money I save on the price of the gun and I get a nice hopper, HPA tank and a Freak barrel. I've got all mine planned out, just look at my sig. I will be buying most of it when I get my pay check on the 7th.

[firekow]

A highrise feedneck means guaranteed balls in the chamber for snap shooting. A low-rise or no-rise isn't always the best option.

[Stan the HitMan]

if you look at it that way then it brings things like how good is your loader and do you play back or front into play.
low rise has almost always worked out for me, but there is always that 1 in 50 time your shooting gas and no paint, but still that is more governed by the loader than feedneck

[SuperBeaner]

Originally posted by firekow
A highrise feedneck means guaranteed balls in the chamber for snap shooting. A low-rise or no-rise isn't always the best option.
This is only true for non force-fed loaders (anything that does not have spring tension on the ballstack. If you get a Halo or the Qloader system(is that still out there?) you can have a no-rise and not worry about not having enough balls to snap shoot, at least paintballs. If you have an eggy, or any other agitating loader, you would need mid rise or some ACE system on your marker.

[jakeiscared]

Originally posted by firekow
a lot of potential in a marker. explain to me how the Ion has a lot more potential when you dont even know what upgrades are out there yet? Omen is closed bolt. Omen has a better stock barrel, better stock reg, better trigger. Its cocker threaded, comes with on/off valve, more upgrades currently, new board alowing it to cycle to 25 bps, also can get new cam arms. Omen comes stock with a delrin bolt i believe...So because the Ion is made by SP and has a plastic shell that makes it better? sure its lighter smaller but performace wise i think the omen has it beat

[Stan the HitMan]

Originally posted by jakeiscared
[B] So because the Ion is made by SP and has a plastic shell that makes it better? B]

YOu called the polymer plastic, therefore all of your points have been canceled out
:paranoid: :dodgy:

[SuperBeaner]

You have nothing else in your life to do but badmouth a paintball gun. Your credibility has been deemed null and void. Please go out, stare at the sun until a more thought out opinion hits you and you can actually back it up with evidence.

[jakeiscared]

polymer plastic same thing..i didnt feel like looking it up..you got the picture..but still no one say why its better..except my points are null because im lazy...o well shows u dotn have any points..

[Stan the HitMan]

give me a break ive seen your other posts, your in the tippmann forum bashing them to...i think there's more to this story...or less :D

[robdamanii]

Originally posted by jakeiscared
explain to me how the Ion has a lot more potential when you dont even know what upgrades are out there yet? Omen is closed bolt. Omen has a better stock barrel, better stock reg, better trigger. Its cocker threaded, comes with on/off valve, more upgrades currently, new board alowing it to cycle to 25 bps, also can get new cam arms. Omen comes stock with a delrin bolt i believe...So because the Ion is made by SP and has a plastic shell that makes it better? sure its lighter smaller but performace wise i think the omen has it beat

Closed bolt/open bolt doesn't mean squat.

Stock barrel is crap on both of them.

Stock reg, point to omen.

Better trigger? You must be joking.

Cocker threaded? So what? Barrels are cheap and plentiful.

The on/off needs a pair of channel locks to work properly when there's air in it.

So upgrades make the marker now? I must have missed the memo. My angel must suck because it has very few upgrades available.

Performance wise, the Ion beats it easily. Shoot both. The Omen is an expensive glorified blind blowback with crappy board logic and a 400 dollar pricetag. The Ion, at 285, gives you eyes, excellent board logic, penumatic operation, and a spool valve style design that the shocker and DM4/5/Trix have shown to be incredibly fast.

Hrm...I think I'll spend less money and add a compressed air tank to go with my new Ion.

[SuperBeaner]

Personally, I love to customize my gun, but I rather have more performance out of the box and spend less money than spend all my hard earned money just to make a gun shoot better than another. Since it's SP, and seeing other markers from this little company have pretty strong aftermarket support, I think I'll stick with an Ion, or Impulse, Or Nerve than an Omen, or anything else PMI/Evil makes.
Now a Timmy....that's a different forum...

[Stan the HitMan]

Best gun pmi made = Trracer pump action, mine has to be 10-15 years old and it is still in perfect working condition and the only o-rings ive had to replace on it were the tank's. Accrued as hell despite the fact its a pump.
id say it has another 10 years left in it :D

[jimbalaya]

get the ion, it rips, the omen is a lazy peice of crap and itll never be as reliable as the ion