Autococker or Electronic = Help me out

[hunter414]

Hello there , i have a few question i whant to ask about a Autococker and a electronic marker.

- What is the big difference about those two.
- Is the Autococker an electronic or how does it work.
- Which whan is the best and why.
- lets say you have 1000 $ bucks , which marker on the market would you choose.
- which marker is faster in fire ing pballs.

alot to answer , i hope you will, i think many people whant to know it.

THANKS From Holland -->> F-side rocks <<--:eyes:

[Ace_Paintballer]

- What is the big difference about those two.

There are alot of them starting that the Electronic Marker is not a maker it is a type (like semi or pump) so there r many (countless) of them so this question canot be answered w/o a specific gun.

- Is the Autococker an electronic or how does it work

No it isnt electronic unless you get a new electronic grip 4 it. It is considered a high Grade Semi but there are many different kinds starting from $300 to $1500. They all work on Front Pnuemics and rear cocking, and Co2 or HPA (recomened)

- Which whan is the best and why

This can only be answered by your own personal preference but i like electos

- lets say you have 1000 $ bucks , which marker on the market would you choose.

hmm $1000 first it depends on what equiptment i have already (ie mask, air source) i personaly like electros while some people would say cockers. I like electros (I have my eye on Intimidators) because i like the fact that out of the box u can fire full auto once again some people like semi. But also electros can go into many other modes like semi or bursts

- which marker is faster in fire ing pballs

Tecnicaly a good cocker can outshoot many electros easily. But most people cant pull a trigger 18 times per second. some if it was two rec players each with 800 dollars worth of guns i would say an electro because all u need it to hold the trigger for one second and then boom 14 ball come flying out.

hopes this helps:crazy:

[AngrySloth]

Originally posted by Ace_Paintballer
[B- which marker is faster in fireing pballs

Tecnicaly a good cocker can outshoot many electros easily.
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Actually an electro will almost always outshoot a cocker. Cockers have too many moving parts to get super high rates of fire. The only exception where a cocker could outshoot an electro would be like an electric Spyder or something. Timmies and Angels are the kings in the ROF department.

[ss115]

Well considering this is in the newbie forum, are you really sure you want to spend $1000 on a gun? Why don't you just get a Spyder or Tippmann, something like that.

[Silent Knight]

The biggest difference between an autococker and other electronic markers out there is the rate of fire. Simply put it, electro's have the upper hand when it comes down to it. Autocockers are faster then the most of the other semi auto markers out there, but the best benefit of any electro is the rate of fire. which, sad to say is much faster then an autococker.

No the autococker is not electronic. There are a few electronic conversions available for cocker owners. bolt on e-frames, and electronic 5-way convert cockers just like a hyper frame would bolt up to a spyder.

Which is the best... there is no best. what ever you feel comfortable playing with.

Which marker would I choose, well coming from the "autococker moderator" I would say... a nice cocker. However if you want that lightning fast rate of fire, then you should go for a good electro.

what marker is faster... the electro.

[hunter414]

Hello there,

If electronic markers are faster in fire ing balls per second, why are alot of paintballers choose for Autocockers?

a paintballer whit experience just whant fast fire rate right.

And i think this subject fits in the category newbie beause iam a newbie and i played once and i loved it. So i want to buy a gun and dont whant a crappy cheap begginers gun but a gun were i whanne play whit after three years of paintball.

I tink there are alot of newbies that are in the same position and whant to spend that little more for a marker for the fact that they whanne play for more than one year.

Please give the answers to the questions on top of the forum.

also which gun would you choose :

1. Impulse
2. EM1

[AngrySloth]

I would choose the Impulse. The main reason I would choose it is because of the Max-Flo reg. It is one of the best regs on the market. Plus the Impy can run on CO2 if you want, the EM-1 can't. (Well, it CAN, but you really shouldn't.) Check out the Impulse forum if you want to learn more.
Also, the EM-1 is after all, just a Spyder.

[HondaRacer2120]

i woud get the impy over the em1; howeveri wolud muchrather have a cocker out of any gun and for $800 you could get a black magic cocker...........i just want the cocker cause i have no need to hit someone 8 times in the gogs. when their head comes up like happened to me..........plus you'll save money on paint ;)

[TOPOR]

Ok I started with an minicocker jetstream and then bought an Angel.

I play competition and I didn't have the cocker finger required to fire a sufficient amount of ball to increase my chances of hitting the target. Besides getting an angel meant I was getting serious commitment to that sport, and it was important to show that to find a team. Switching to an angel made things easier for me cause the light trigger (like a mouse click) made my shoots more accurate.

Now that I feel good in my team, now that I know that volume shooting don't necessarily means accuracy, now that I know that cockers are not anymore junk as it used to be (I had a 96 old cocker, a bit second hand...) I would say that a cocker give you that snappy feeling when you shoot, this slamming noise of the P block at the back... A cocker has a soul while electro loose its value very quickly.

I f you have a nice custom cocker you have one masterpiece of machinery, if you have a nice electro it's like having a brand new tv or stereo, it will be soon out fashioned but it performs flawlessly.

It all depends what you want to do. Playing competition...if you can afford an angel it is a dream, no maintenance easy to set, easy to fire, accurate etc,
if u want to do rec ball with quality gun, if u have the time to love your baby, if u don't want to scratch the anno, get a cocker with a hinge double finger frame (no more cocker "finger "required!). Of course u can still compete with a cocker (lots of people do, but they generally know how to set it up perfectly) but u need someone in case to be a specialist to help u.


You'll still be able to upgrade it if you want so with an electro grip frame later.

[Ebonclaw]

Maybe someone should say something about how an autococker has approxiametly 6.7 million parts and takes a while to learn. I dunno if a newbie (hey, he said he was) is gonna want something that complex unless he's a mechanical engineer or something. Electros are simpler guns for the most part, and the Impulse can be THOUROUGHLY tricked out for $1000. Hey, some pros are shooting $1200 Impulses. You can get a NICE tank to go with that Impulse as well especially with the leftover money....and a Proteus mask, and all sorts of cool stuff. Maybe a glacier board?
Anyway, he'd wind up with a bit simpler gun than an autococker, have money for a nice tank, the top of the line mask, a ric loader, plus a Freak or Equation's new customizable barrel system (www.equationusa.com) which looks to be totally sweet. My vote is a totally tricked Impulse. If he ever does get a better marker or decides he wants to move to cocker, all he needs to do is buy an adapter piece for the barrel system, and then he'll already have a sweet mask and tank.

[AngrySloth]

I totally agree with Ebon. I just got my autococker a few weeks ago and I was thinking "How complicated can this thing really be?" Well to tell the truth, I'm still trying to figure **** out. If you're a newbie, don't get an autococker. Get something simpler.

Now if you know somebody who knows autocockers and can teach you all about them and how to maintain them and stuff, I say why not get the cocker?

[Paintballbabe]

I'll be honest from the start I am not partial to electros and i do like cockers.

for starters here are some basic reasons
1)playing in the mud and puddles or woods with streams. Get water in your elector and at the best you have to wait for it to dry out at the worst itis a gonner (i have seen both happen)
2)cockers are eaisilly repairable by most experianced players even if you haven't figured it out yet. Electros usually need a certified airsmith and usually sent back or parts ordered (cocker parts are very available)
3)cockers are cool!
4)the trigers on electros feel like toys to me, i don't like that

As far as a beginer gun. IMHO a cocker is fine if you want to spend that kind of money. I would advise a stock 2001 or 2002 cocker. Ilike the colored 2002's Many ppl say that cockers are too complex, but in reality your basic blowback has;
-trigger
-sear
-hammer
-bolt
-valve
-cup seal
-various orings and springs

With a cocker you add:
-front reg (really no big deal to learn to adjust if you want too)
-ram (again easy to adjust)
-back block (on blow back you have a pin to connect the hammer and bolt)
-three way/ timing rod (this ads about 30 min for instruction and some pratice to learn to time a cocker or can be done for you.)

Honestly yes it is a bit more complex but an hour or so of instruction and basically mechanical skill is all you need to understand it.

I think it is simplier to start with a blowback but if you want to get a cocker and are mechanically inclined go for it.

Personally i love all my guns and if you start with a blow back and tweek it out to the max first you will have a great gun for a back up later. And it will acompete with any gun out there as long as you have the skills.

[LordChaos]

My opinion.

I don't like electros. Any of them. Never have. Doubt I ever will.

Cockers, on the other hand, while they aren't on the top of my list of favorits, they are in the top 10.

As for what marker I'd buy if I had a $1000 to spend... well, that's not an unusual amount for a quality marker. But for 1 grand, right now (since I have my custom sovereign), I'd pick up a Palmer Typhoon. :) (yes, I am different).

[Paintballbabe]

If i was going to spend 1000 on a electro i'd get an emag and a tank and ricochet and then ad a warp feed later.

[brad85]

i like electros and cockers but i ike cockers more

[infil]

Looking up a few posts, I feel I must address a few things I saw.
::hunter414 Hello there,

If electronic markers are faster in fire ing balls per second, why are alot of paintballers choose for Autocockers?

a paintballer whit experience just whant fast fire rate right.

And i think this subject fits in the category newbie beause iam a newbie and i played once and i loved it. So i want to buy a gun and dont whant a crappy cheap begginers gun but a gun were i whanne play whit after three years of paintball.

I tink there are alot of newbies that are in the same position and whant to spend that little more for a marker for the fact that they whanne play for more than one year.

Please give the answers to the questions on top of the forum.

also which gun would you choose :

1. Impulse
2. EM1::

I tend to think of myself as an experienced player, I dont personally go to lay down a case of paint every time I play. Quantity, aside from being expensive, doesn't make up for a well aimed 3 shot burst.
If your a newbie, keep it simple. Get something that is easy to take apart, clean, repair etc. Dont jump into something that has the simplicity of a jump jet engine.
Electro's are great guns. I dont know how much I agree with the electros are faster comment. True there are some that'll spank anything. Same sense, rof on semi depends more on the player.
If you want higher end, look towards the Spyder Xtra. Got one for my wife and its awsome.

Best piece of advice I could give is work your way into a high end gun. Dont jump into a semi cause you can drive a car. 90% of us have had to work our way up from spyders, be's, tippmanns etc.

Just my $0.02
Infil

[Paintballbabe]

Electros are faster but many fields limit the rof of markers to 9-10 bps. A nice cocker will throw 6-8 bps or more depending on who is firing.

As a paintballer with expreince I want consistant accuracy first then rof that means cocker. COckers tend to be more accurate than many electros (there are some exceptions shocker and excalibur for example)

If i had only those 2 to choose from i'd get the impulse over the em1. If i was buying a gun I'd get a stock cocker over either of those. I have seen the guys with impules i play with using rentals way too much. I have also heard bad things about the em1. If you get a stock cocker and don't mess with it. Have someone who KNOWS what they are doing time it and loctite it and it will run every time just clean and lube the bolt every time and a couple drops of oil in the asa and 4 way at the start of the day.

[sprayboy14]

this is about the imp/em1 thing:i would definitly go with the impulse over the em1 because i have heard and seen alot of bad things about the em1
the cocker/electro thing:personally i like cockers better but right now im going with an impulse because generally electros need less maintenance and i dont have the time for a cockers maintenance but if u have the time,money and motivation to learn it the cocker will be your best friend just hope i get the time for 1 but off my problems i wouldnt recommend an electro or a cocker for a newbie because it can be very frustrating at times with just a normal blowback trying to get it to work but like i said before if u are willing to spend the time and money into the sport by all means get something that u want just make sure u like the way it feels to u because a new marker can make life great or a living ....well u get the point
hope i helped some,
chris

[Lavahead]

Any marker in the $100 range specified should be plenty fast and plenty accurate. The main difference I see is personal taste and reliability. By reliability I mean how many problems are you likely to encounter. With a $1000 cocker the only problems you should (should) run into are running out of paint and running out of air. With an electro you can add having your battery die. I've seen plenty of people switch back to their nonelectro gun because they had their battery die and forgot to bring another. Yeah that's user error, but it's also just one more thing you need to remember when you go out to play. I also don't think rate of fire is anywhere near as important as accuracy. It only takes one hit to eliminate somone.

[Wintermute]

The E-mag has a manual mode if your battery runs down. It's the only one I know of that has that, though. If you get an electronic gun, make sure you pick up at least one extra battery as well as a charger for both car and home.