Flatline: is it worth the investment?

[specter542]

yo
this is specter, i am part of a recently formed paintball team. our gunline consist of three 98customs with upgrades such as 2x trigger,pb dropforwards, 12volt reevy, GTA Xchamber, two 98customs with the 14" Smartparts progressive barrels. we also have two spyder xtra's, one with a 14" all american barrel, and a rebel bottom line. lol.
the tippy's make up the brunt of the force. anyways, we are soon to include another member to the team, and other 98custom addition.
is the flatline barrel worth the $1oo verses a 16" dye boomstick? or even any other barrel?
people say it is impossible to squege but i think it will make an excellent addition to our team. what are u all's thoughts, comments

[specter542]

omg please respond people!!!!!:pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed:

[Crime Dog]

It's not impossible to squeegie. Just flip open the elbow, and feed a long flexible squeegie in. I've done it before...it wasn't that hard.

Anyway...is the Flatline worth it? Depends on the style of play for the person that may be using it. If they're a back player, and primarily a woods player. If your team is going to play mostly speedball, then don't bother with a flatline. BUT...if you're going to go with Woods play, and you want a back player that can provide cover fire for the front players, I'd say a flatline would be a good idea.

Is $100 worth it? Mmmm...I dunno. Try and find a used one.

Incidentally, mine is for sale. I'll sell it for $85 if I don't hear back from a guy that made an offer earlier. I'll pay shipping too.

(In case you're wondering why I'm selling mine...I've decided I like playing in the front too much to use a flatline. You don't need distance when you're in the front...)

[specter542]

hey i'll buy it from u. my email is specter182@hotmail.com
send me the "credentials". i was lookin for one. we have a team with 3 98c's. two of which are suped. (mine and a friend). we need back player who can cover.
-carson

[NoNames]

It depends on how big a field you're playing on. If you're playing a 3-man sup'air field than hell no. I've played with somone who played with their flatline on in a 3-man and it sucked. Think about the distace it's going to be. In my opinion, this is just mine, the flatline is just for extremely long distances. I don't know if you're going to be playing in situations, but from team i got tournaments and it seemed like a 5-man so i'm going to have to say go with the Boomy on this one. it's quicker to squeegie and not as big. But i wouldn't get 16, maybe a 14 for the back. 16is a hella big barrell. For the mid's i'd use 12's and front i'd say 10, but it's just me.

[specter542]

ye i know what u mean. as u can see from my pic, i have a 14" and i think that is pretty damn big. how long is a 98custom with a flatline on it? with my 14" smartpart progressive, im luggin 24" around with me.:jester:
well we have a field about 3 acres long. only play in about 1/2 acre of it. and some bigass woods. ask villhime98c about it. im not sure on exact measurements.

[Villhime98c]

yeah the field we play on is pretty big. Just a big flat field. A flatline would be perfect for it.

[Crime Dog]

Let me write the kid that first expressed interest in buying it, and then I'll get back to you on selling it. He got first dibs on it...

[specter542]

ok, thanks. how long is the 98c with the Flatline on it?

[shoes06]

hey...this is specter's friend that was gonna join....this will be my first so gun so i was really debating over which barrel....the "staying back" position is exactly what i wanted to do...but this being my first gun...i didn't want anything too complicated..thanks for the advice

[ferret0123]

Uh having a flatline isnt going to help your back player. Balls shot out of a flatline go so slow when they jump that extra 10-20 feet thay bounce off whatever you shoot at.

[Rabid Fishstick]

:finger: I beleive you are mistaken my friend. The flatline will help a back player in the woods. Thats why it's considered the longest shot in the world guaranteed. But then again, you don't have to believe me. Just look on the back of the next APG magazine you get. :)
I've owned a flatline for almost a year now and im a back player both in speed ball and woods. And about the distance... it increases the distance a bit more than 10 to 20ft. I beleive it is 60 - 70 ft? But i've heard that they go farther so I may be wrong. In speed ball you have to adjust a bit, I usually can tag at least one person out on the other team on a break out; so as far as the balls being slow and not breaking on what they hit, i'm ganna have to give that a negative. I'm working on tilting the barrel and getting the balls to curve around bunkers. Oh, btw, what state is your team from Specter? I like a team that uses 98 customs :nod:

[Cerberust]

rabids comment is exaclty why flatlines are illegal in tournys, you can tilt the gun to the side and shoot around stuff, crazy sheeat.

[Chad51]

I bought a 14in. J&J Preformance because the flatline seems like a lot of a hassel! Especially when you break a ball in it! I still plan on getting one but this way if I chop a ball or something I have another barrel to use instead. ;)

[Rabid Fishstick]

Cerberust....... News flash bud. Flatlines are not illegal in tournaments. So many flatline bashers.... :laugh: Research my friend, research before you say something that isn't true. :crazy:

[specter542]

POST EM!!@!!!

[Shazaam]

u can easily make a mod of a flatline, look in my sig for the link.

[specter542]

havent been on this machine much. we are in Virginia. Virginia Beach area.:jester:

[Shazaam]

umm...what? I dont understand why u said that:eyes:

[FlyBoyNZ]

So, how good is the accuracy of the flatline, only people who have it installed correctly may answer.

[Rabid Fishstick]

From my experience with it, the accuracy is good. I've owned a flatline for about a year now and it takes some getting use too but once you get used to it, its accuracy can be just as useful as its range.

[specter542]

it tells u my location underneath my icon!! CHESAPEAKE, VIRGINIA
keep posting guys.
PICS PLEASE

[Shazaam]

What does your location have to do with my barrel mod on my website?!?:eyes: , I never asked for where you live, I just said you can make a flatline very easily....look in my sig dummy

[Rabid Fishstick]

I asked specter where his team was from so he answered me.:eyes:

[specter542]

for the love of God, post some tippmann flatline pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-sPecTer.:mad: :mad: :mad: :eek: :eek:

[NoNames]

Why the hell do you need to see pics? there are some pics of flatline barrels in the pics thread. if you want to see what one looks like on a tippy, look there or look at any online paintball store, they have pictures of them.

[specter542]

ok buddy,
if i asked u to talk outta ur *** i woulda said something. i am considering purchasing a flatline, and i wanted people's opinion on it, as well as their gun setup +flatline. ok?! quit blowin smoke outta ur ***.
disregarding the previous users comment:
please post ur tippmann flatline pics. id like to see ur marker set up.
-sPecTer

[Creeper]

Flatline is alot of money and hassle, but worth it if you can handle that. The problem is that for best performence, get it installed at a proshop (its a real pain to do yourself). But if you want to take it off, you have to bring it back to get it refitted. But its still worth it, because when installed correctly, it is a great barrel. Sqeegeing is not hard, just use the one included or the viewloader proflex sqeegie (the one molded out of one piece of plastic). You know what to expect as far as performance, even if you did not see it in action, but make sure you are able to handle the hassle (screwing in a Bigshot is alot easier)

[specter542]

o ok. well actually it is my brother who is considering getting the flatline and the 98c all at once. but ye in know what u mean about the possibility of a hassle. u have to expect that with ANYTHING you buy, even paintball. but if its used properly and to its highest potencial, than problems shouldn't occur. the paintball store is like 2.5miles from my house so if there are EVER any problems, (aka intallation, maintence, detachment, etc, me and my bro will drive over and repair. they're staff is friendly:D
but ive heard alot about this lapco Bigshot, if you could, could u send me a link or picture of it pleasE? im not this computer much esp this week w/ exams, other wise i'd look for it myself. THANKS
-sPecTer

[FlyBoyNZ]

Here is what a Lapco Bigshot looks like.
http://www.lapcopaintball.com/pix/model98_master.jpg

[specter542]

thats alot.

[OneArmedScissor]

is it worth it? maybe if it was like $60 or $50 but not a $100
and i probably still wouldn't get it if i had a tippman.
i play with a tricked out spyder. i'm not much of a tippman fan... i eat them for lunch when i go play :) for some reason all the tippamn players get too cocky when they're playing and think they're rambo or something haha

but i'd just get some 14'' barrel for like $60..... SMART PARTS TEAR DROP!

[specter542]

look at my gun setup. do u see what barrel i have?!?! 14" smartparts progressive:eyes:
:mad:
:atten:
:dunce:


-sPecTer.
tippmanns rule. i use spyder parts to wipe my *****

[specter542]

thank you for the lapco pic!! is it better than, lets say the barrel i have?? 14" smartparts progressive? here is my recent P8ntball endevour:
CAMO TIPPY:yell: :atten: :drop:

[ColdFusion]

dude dnt buy a flatline, if you want to spen 100 bucks on a barrel buy a boomstick

[ColdFusion]

also dont buy a 14 inch buy a 12 longer than 12 is pointless no better range/accuracy

[specter542]

hey,
i kinda understood what u were sayin but i am very confused for the most part..:confused: :confused:
"buy a 12 longer 12" ???? what are u talkin about?? i already have a 14" smartparts progressive barrel, but what im askin is the flatline worth it? ok?!
-sPecTer

[Soyboy]

Ok well here is what I say about the Flatline. One day I tried a Flatline out with no shroud on, not installed properly, with PMI Premium (medium paint) and it was worse than my stock barrel. It broke paintballs like crazy and it was inaccurate.

Then one day my friend had one installed properly, with the shroud on, shooting 280 fps, with marbalizers (small bore). It was very accurate and shot flawlessly. You have to take your time and do things right.

I own a J&J 2 Piece and it is very accurate with PMI Premium, but I am also going to get a Flatline. Having another barrel besides the Flatline is good.

[specter542]

ye,
from what i hear, installation is the key to sucess. we have an awsome p8ntball store biking distance from my house and as soon as we get the flatline im heading over there. im not gonna take chances with this.
but ye, the flatline looks awsome and i cant wait till my little brother gets it!!! :love:
-sPecTer
:atten:
:dunce:

http://tippmann.com/main/hhound/side98.html whats with that. how did they have a vertical and bottom line runnin b/o at the same time??

[specter542]

[BUMP]

[Surreal]

this is without the shroud (it looks grody, but its 10x easier to adjust, put on straight, and do field breakdowns and pull through squeegie..)

[specter542]

that is Fricken awsome!!! thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!:love: :love: :love:
thank you dude, that looooooks kick:Dss
thank you man.
-sPecTer

[Surreal]

np bro ;]

[specter542]

guys,
when the flatline becomes a material in my house, should i keep the shroud ON or OFF when i play? actually my brother is gettin it.
so the ? is shroud on or off.
-sPecTer

[Surreal]

people will oppose this, but listen to my side -

keep it OFF. its way easier to put the barrel in straight, and the shroud is a pain in the *** to take off and put on. also, you can take your barrel off and use a pull thru squeegie between rounds... which is very handy

the only drawback is looks

[specter542]

ok thanks.
but will the barrel still be secure even w/o the shroud?
-sPecTer

[Clay]

I have a flatline but i cant get it to shoot right it either will go way to the left or way to the right and for me it is not accurate at all and i tryed reinstalling it about 5 times i need some advise.

[Surreal]

yes specter.. it will be fine without the shroud.

clay, try installing it WITHOUT the plastic shroud on.. this way you can see if your barrel is on straight, so the balls dont fly left or right

[Rabid Fishstick]

Don't use the shroud. It may look a bit cooler but I prefer to play without it. I think it kinda gets in the way and ads a bit of weight, not a whole lot but a bit. An yes, Tippmanns do rule :D :P :) :P :D

[Crime Dog]

Once again, my flatline is for sale! First person to contact me, it's yours. PM me or email me for more info...

cmagrum@juno.com

[Clay]

Thanks for the advice!:)

[specter542]

hey guys!!!!
[bump]

[Shazaam]

Why the hell do you always post stupid replys like that specter??
[bump] haha so ****ing funny. What do you do in your spare time?? Post idiotic stuff here and :idea: whack off :elaugh:

[PaintballerX]

Shazaam, I don't know what your problem is...maybe if you took the time to read the FAQ's about these forums, you'd know he was just bumping this thread to the top of the Tippmann Forum, in turn exposing it to more people. Next time, think before you speak, will ya? :pissed: :eyes:

[Shazaam]

God damnit, sorry, havin a bad night I am.....I had to pay 20 bucks to get back from marble mountain...snowboardin and my friggin parents weren't home. Plus I was having problems with my bindings all day...they kept coming un done, that really pissed me off today, and so I am havin a bad day. Feels good to apoligize tho..

[Mcot]

OK the flatline sucks really bad. Installed right, I don't care it sucks. Frankley tippmanns suck. The flatline is just a poor excuse for the tippmann folks to stay way back and be pusseys.

LOL you guys are funny. "I have a tricked out tippmann I rule". ha. As for you team, I have never seena NPPL team with tippmanns, ever. I have seen one with spyders though. Team Bad Company. They rule.

Ok DA you have a 14'' progressive. That is fine. The flatline will give you a little more range, but the distance gain is outweighed by the fact that it has slow BPS and it is fairly inaccurate. Also it has a huge tagectory so it is hard to judge where it will go. For instance if you try aiming flat the ball will sail on you going over the targets head.

Spend that extra 100 dollars on nitro, or a low pressure tippmann kit of something. It is not worth the money at all. Hell just save up like 80 bucks more and you got a freak system.

Tippmanns suck and spyders rule and thats how it will always be. Until tippmann gets off there @sses and makes something like the EM1. Which by the way i have.

[Rabid Fishstick]

Lets take this one step at a time. Except lets do it maturley.

1.Frankley tippmanns suck.

Tippmanns, for their price range, are one of the most, if not the most, reliable, customizable, as well as durable paintball markers on the market. Why your type of people can't simply say "I prefer to use a different marker" or simply "I don't like it", we will never know.

2.The flatline is just a poor excuse for the tippmann folks to stay way back and be pusseys.

One of the flatlines most popular uses is for sniping. And, coincidently, sniping requires, HAHA..., guess what.. playing in the back... And in paintball, BPS with sniping tend to be relatively low... as opposed to your spray and pray method.
Also,lets think for a second about the word back player.. Now where on the field does a back player belong? In the b-a-c-k. Hence the name "back player". Players who play in this position need range not so much PRECISE accuracy. This is what the flatline provides. And besides, what is your 14'' boom sticks or freak system or what ever you use.... What's its accuracy at 280ft? Without long balling it? Don't diss the accuracy when you use a barrel which can't even make it that far in the first place. And please don't take it the wrong way either, im not saying this to offend you. It's that you posted some stuff that was said without much info to back it up. And i'm just trying to help you out.

3."I have a tricked out tippmann I rule". ha. As for you team, I have never seena NPPL team with tippmanns, ever. I have seen one with spyders though. Team Bad Company. They rule.

They said TIPPMANNS RULE not I RULE. Reading is learned in english class.
You know why you've never seen a NPPL team with tippmanns? Because of their experience. Think for a sec bud. Bad Company... Their PRO players. Those who upgrade stay in the game longer. Lets think for a sec. How well would a professional race car driver do in a Formula car race if he was using the go-kart he used when he first began to race? Now, lets look at that at another perspective. The marker does not make the player. A term used and known by ANY REAL player who knows the difference between all talk (bragging, putting others down) and informing others appropriatly of their point of view from their experience. A teenager who just got his license using a Formula car in the Daytona 500. Nice car. Makes him LOOK cool, in a sense. But, face it. When the race actually starts he'll be left in the dust trying to figure out how he gets in the car with no door. (They slip in the window in case you didn't know that either.)
In case you havn't figured it out yet, what i'm trying to say is that pros are experienced and sponsored. They get top of the line stuff in order to stay as a top of the line team. Go into the chat room and say tippmanns suck and see what kind of response you get.
And you mentioned you have seen a team with spyders? Well then. Good for you.

4.The flatline will give you a little more range, but the distance gain is outweighed by the fact that it has slow BPS and it is fairly inaccurate. Also it has a huge tagectory so it is hard to judge where it will go. For instance if you try aiming flat the ball will sail on you going over the targets head.
The range. 80ft - 90ft, in my opinion, is well over a little more range. The distance gain might slow the BPS. But back players don't go with the spray and pray method. They have to have this thing called patience. (No offense to mid, front, or linerunners, you guys rule too :D ) And the accuracy thing again. Again, how accurate is ANY other paintball marker barrel at 280-300ft? Without longballing it? A paintball shot by the flatline is still steadily traveling where most other paintballs from any other barrel would be rolling on the ground.
http://www.tippmann.com/access/accessi/flatline/flinea.gif

And it's not that hard to judge where it will go. We're not talking about a tragectory of 2-3 miles here. It's a paintball, any barrel has a chance of being off a little of where its going from a distance. The ball also only sails over your targets head if your playing at a distance much too close for a back player to be. Back players stay play in the back. Your talking about a position which a front or mid player would be shooting from. Think for a second about this problem:
Player A: "Man, my balls keep falling way to short my (insert barrel other than flatline). I wish I could get more distance."
Flatline has the longest distance of any paintball marker in the world, guaranteed.
Also, anyone who knows how to use a flatline properly knows how to adapt to close range firing when needed.

5.It is not worth the money at all.
It is worth every penny. Read the reviews. Do some research for crying out loud.

6.Tippmanns suck and spyders rule and thats how it will always be. Until tippmann gets off there @sses and makes something like the EM1. Which by the way i have.

LOL ohhh this will be fun... I've had more problems with my spyder than I've EVER had with my tippmann, ever. Now, im not dissing spyders, don't get me wrong. My first marker was a Spyder and it performed decently. Later on I upgraded to a Tippmann and was glad I did. And PLEASE! Your comparing a tippmann 98 custom to a Spyder EM1? Yeah, it's better, if you have $500-$650 to fork out. And again, the marker does not make the player. But, since your comparing products let me finish with one last thing.... Until KINGMAN gets off their "butts" and makes something like the HELLHOUND, Tippmann will rule. (No offense intended to Kingman using people. I like em. I'm just trying to prove a point :) to this troubled person)

http://www.tippmann.com/main/hhound/car.gif

I hoped i helped you with your extremely unnaturally negative view of tippy's. And again, please don't let this get to you too personally bud. We're all paintball players and we all agree on the same thing. To have fun and play paintball. :)

[Mcot]

First of all you are the stupidest person i know. I can tell your a newbie and havn't played in tourney's or anything.

A back player shoots the most out of anybody on the field you DA. There job is to cover the front players and to hose out paint. Something you can't do with a flatline. It is hard to aim with the flatline and it is very inaccurate. Don't say anything becuase I have tried one and they suck badly.

Ok the point of a "sniper" (if there is such a thing in paintball) is to be accurate. You want to hit your target. Since the flatline is not as accurate as a freak barrel system or a boomstick then that is pointless. The point of a "sniper" is to hit your target form wherever you are.

Ok to my next point. I have several friends with tippmanns. I do think they are bad but o well. I have experience with the flatline and have seen it in action. I am trying to provide this "young gun" with accurate information. He asked about the flatline and i answered. It is not worth it.

If he is trying to be a back player he needs to hose paint like with an EM1.

LOL ohhh this will be fun... I've had more problems with my spyder than I've EVER had with my tippmann, ever. Now, im not dissing spyders, don't get me wrong. My first marker was a Spyder and it performed decently. Later on I upgraded to a Tippmann and was glad I did. And PLEASE! Your comparing a tippmann 98 custom to a Spyder EM1? Yeah, it's better, if you have $500-$650 to fork out. And again, the marker does not make the player. But, since your comparing products let me finish with one last thing.... Until KINGMAN gets off their "butts" and makes something like the HELLHOUND, Tippmann will rule. (No offense intended to Kingman using people. I like em. I'm just trying to prove a point to this troubled person)


The only people that have problems with spyders is the people that don't know how to take care of them.

And since i can tell your a DA and you don't know anything here is a little FYI.

I got my EM1 for $250. A tippmann w/ a flatline costs about $220. If he is playing back then he needs firepower not range. My suggestion would be to get an EM1 with a little more money.

[Mcot]

And let me ask you this.

Have you ever seen the hellhound other than in this picture?

Is the hellhound tourney legal like the EM1?

What is the point of the Hellhound?

Is it commercially avalible?

This is just my point. Tippmann needs to start making guns for the masses that are as good as spyders. Instead they focus on making a little go cart with some stuff on it. Nobody has ever seen this and nobody can use it becuase no one can buy it. It is stupid and a waste of time when tippmann should be focusing on making an electrophnematic.

[Mcot]

http://www.tippmann.com/access/accessi/flatline/flinea.gif


Umm this pictur is totally wrong. It is a fact that the ball sails upwards out of the flatline. Where do you see this in the picture. The ball is going straight out the barrel.

Second the flatline lightly hits you target often bouncing off. In the picture it is going the smae speed.

This picture is misleading in a lot of ways and should be fixed.

[Rabid Fishstick]

1. I Know the job of a back player is to hose down paint in SPEEBALL. Trust me, i know. The team im on has me as their back player. But with the sniping, im talking about WOODS.
2.How accurate is your freak battel system at 250ft?
3.I have been playing for two years and been using the flatline for 1 of those two years. The team im on is ready to go to Skyball 2002 in March.
4.I have seen the hell hound in other pictures besides that one and thats beside the point. You said the Em1 is tourney legal. Since you started comparing products i was doing the same.

Conclusion: Whered you get your EM1 for $250. I want to get one from wherever you ordered it from. Like i said, I like spyders and have been looking to get an EM1.
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[Shazaam]

Aren't the Tippmann Effect in the NPPL? They are in this video http://www.pigtv.net/01_summary/01_amopen.shtml
No wait...I think its the International Amateur Open

[Crime Dog]

Just ignore the Spyder owner. He's only here to rile you guys up.

[specter542]

thanks crime dog. whatta jerk, i dont know why spyder owners even bother to come in here and diss tippmann.
-sPecTer

[specter542]

ok fishstick, and mcot,
why are u even in this forum if all u are gonna do is diss tippmann. i mean, people like you make forums like this unpleasant and u give people the wrong impression when it comes to tippmann. i'll have u know, our team consists of 3 tippmanns and 4 spyders, every game, EVERY spyder has a problem, the TIPPMANNS HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM!!!!!!!! EVER!!!!1
-sPecTer:pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed:

crime dog, here is my most recent upgrade: P.B. 2x trigger, got it yesterday. looks sweet on my pimped out camo. can't thank you enough man for the help.!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mcot]

Ok I am here to put the record straight.

I have a spyder. I also have a Phantom Pump gun. I know about Paintball and i am telling you. You shouldn't get the flatline. It is to much money. I have a thing with tippmanns. Don't ask. But if you have a tippmann i would not recomend the flatline. I have seen it in action and it is not that great. It is also 100$.

Personally i think all should try playing with a pump. It is fun.

[Rabid Fishstick]

Specter542 I responded to mcots opinion in defense of tippmanns. I'm sorry if i offended you for doing so. And thanks for coming into this crime dog. I appreciate it :)

[slipknotpsycho]

Ok, I'm seriously considering buying a flatline. if i install the barrel without the shroud is it possible to switch barrels between games(Woods to speedball) without major complications?

[Rabid Fishstick]

Uhhh... I guess so. I would get the hang of re adjusting the flatline once you take it off so it takes less time to do so when you put it back on. You can use the flatline without the shroud do, that's the way I use it, and i like it a lot better that way. I personally don't switch barrels quite that often but I suppose it's possible.

[Crime Dog]

I quit using my shroud as well. It's easier. Sure, it may look...um...'goofy", but it works! It's easier to work with that way. If you're going to use a red dot though, get a raised sight rail. Heh.

By the way, my Flatline is STILL for sale. Any takers? Mail me for details! (Rabid, I need to hear from ya man!)

[specter542]

my brother is still considering buying your flatline, but we gotta see how much $$ we can put together b/c we might be entering some tourneys pretty soon. we would have this weekend but i suffered an injury to the groin and i am on doctors order to stay in bed till sunday. so no school today or the rest of the week!!
-sPecTer

[Soyboy]

cool, well sorta...

hope u feel better.

im sick, i am staying home today.

if u play woods, need a back player, or need a sniper, then have your bro get the flatline.... if u play speedball, just get a regular aftermarket barrel.

[Crime Dog]

Yeow! Um. I"ll pray for ya man. That's gotta...smart.

Let your bro know I'll even drop the price $5-10 for ya. I like you. You're a good guy...and I want to sell this so I can get my SP AA...

[specter542]

my brother and i should earn some money this weekend, pending whether or not i get better, but he will definitly, i'll talk to hima bout it tomarrow, and hopefully you'll get an answer no later than Friday.
thanks
-sPecTer

[Crime Dog]

Sounds great. I look forward to hearing from ya Specter.

[specter542]

[BUMP]
since the flatline puts a backspin the the ball, do it make the ball go slower?? b/c ive heard some people say the flatline shoots far, but is slow. if u dont know what i talkin about, get like a dodge ball, baseball etc, and put a backspin to it when u throw it; it looks like something from the matrix.
so i was jus wondering weather or the velocityand speed are effected w/ the flatline.
DOES IT DECREASE VELOCITY AND SPEED?
-sPecTer

[Soyboy]

Actually it is the exact opposite. Tippmann has measured the speed of the paintball shot from the flatline at 100 ft and 180 ft and both times it was about 10-30 fps faster than a regular gun. It just seems like it is shooting slow because it shoots so straight.

If you play out in the open then maybe you would be able to dodge the paintballs a little, but in woods, esp. heavy woods it will work awesome.

[ShutterSLug]

I think Tippman c98's are awesome!!! But I do not like the Flatlinebarrel at all. I do not own one but two of my friends have it and I just dont like it! My Custom Products barrel shoots really far too! So when I was aiming at targets at around 140 feet or so, One ball would go perfectly straight! But wait then one starts to rise 5 or so feet above my target!!! The next shot it went went like 3-5 feet higher but then curved to the right about 2 feet!!! My custom products barrel would be going just about straight and my shoots were only 1 feet apart from each other!!! Also I heard that if the c98 with flatline is tiltit to the right or left the paintball will go up to the right and vis virsa with the left!!! Is that true???
Maybe the Flatlines were installed wrong, or they need to be cleaned more! (which is hard to do because when you have a c98 i think you have to take the whole flatline off before you can take apart the whole gun!) But this is what I truley think... I think there was such a big differance in velocity so quick that the paintballs were so spread out!!! (maybe,) I think that for the Flatline to work awesome, you would need at least and expanison chamber, Regulator, or a nitrogen system with reg or expansion chamber!!!

[KossaK]

yes, if you tilt it to one side or the other the balls will walk left or right due to their spin.
Chances are your buddies didnt have them installed quite right. They are very finicky, and have to be setup PERFECTLY in order to work at their best.

as for cleaning, you can squeegie them no problem. a straight shot squeegie works "ok", but most people i know use those poly-urethane pull through squeegies. They are all white plastic made from an injection molding process. they go for under 10 bucks.

[black000titan]

dont get it the balls dont brake on ppl and when you are playing you cant fixs the gun if it gets ****ed up and thenit curves after like 100FT:pissed:

[Rabid Fishstick]

I bought mine a year ago and still love it. :blah:

[specter542]

u said that the "balls break on people" isn't that the object of the game?!! to hit people
-sPecTer

[specter542]

titan dude, i read it wrong, u said "the ball dont break"
well if in that case they didn't break when they hit someone, i think alot of people would have realized and returned their flatline system and from that, tippmann would recall and discontinue the flatline. but since that isn't the case, it must be workin miracles
-sPecTer

[Rabid Fishstick]

Well put my friend. :)

[specter542]

i dont know very much about the flatline in terms of performance, but considering SOOOO manypeople have it and like it, it must be good. im sure installation is essantial, as with anything, if it isn't installed rite, something is BOUND to go wrong. the same goes for anything that is assembled correct as well! but u cant denounce a products potential based on one experience by what your friends cousin said when he was at your mom's uncles house playin in -30of w/ Brasseagle pballs and a dirty barrel. lol, get what i mean black0000titan?
thanks fishstick, i like when im 'likeable.' based on how well my 98c has performed for me, im presume i will get the SAME quality in a flatline.
-sPecTer;)

[tonysk83]

this is dead

[specter542]

tonysk8...
ughh dont quite understand what u are tryin to get across........ did u loose a relative?? " this is dead"

-sPecTer

[PaintballerX]

I think he means that this thread is over.

[specter542]

i wouldn't say that yet buddy, im not quick to sell myself short, throw in the towel, etc.
-sPecTer:D

[KossaK]

i'll break out the defebu.... defribulat.... difibulat.....
.... heart...starter... thingie....


CLEAR!!!!!

KA-CHUNK!


Soooo yeah..... Them Flatline doo-hickies are some funny lookin' barrels huh?

[Cloud-VII]

Ok, I have a question.
When you take the shroud off of the gun, is it possible to put it back on WHILE the barrel is on the gun?
And that way you can get it all aligned properly, and then put the shroud on for looks.

Also, CrimeDog, is your flatline the camo painted one?

[Crime Dog]

The shroud is painted camo, yes. It can just as easily be painted black again after some light sanding.

Can you put the shround back on after you install the barrel? I believe so, but you'll have to take the screws out of the shroud and put it back on that way...screw the two halves back together after putting them around the barrel again. But really, I would just leave it off...

[specter542]

kossakk?????? what are u talkin about?????
-sPecTer

[KossaK]

someone said "the thread is dead"...

i attempted the use of a literary tool known as "humour" to attempt to breath new life into the thread.

It would seem i was partially successful.

[specter542]

kossakk i read u loud and clear now. :P i know what u mean know, lol. the shock pad things
-sPecTer

[SoNiCIMPLUSE]

I donno if anyone answerd your question spec but, The flatline is 14-15 inches long (it lined up perfectly with my J&J Ceramic on my other M98C)

[TheKane]

i dont have a flatline so i cant help u there

[specter542]

sonicimpulse, thank you ,that was gettin irratable that i asked that question so many times and no one, up till now, answered it. the kane, i dont know why u even came in here if u dont even have a flatline....:mad:
-sPecTer

[TheKane]

i so agree with the lack of ball breakage on the flatline...my friend hit me like 5 times total and some other person.. NO BREAKS not to mention he hit me in my shoulder, and shoulder is hard so it should have broke....no excuse...barrel sucks

[specter542]

i am at villhime98c's house rite now, and while he is takin a load off, i thought i would check my thread. ur right Kane, Tippmanns never have ball breaks, so i dont know why people would think that all of a sudden, puttin a flatline on `em would cause pballs to break.
-sPecTer

[PaintballerX]

Specter: he doesn't mean in the 'gun, he means on the body, i.e. the ball bouncing, not breaking. Just FYI...

[doogberg]

yeah I think you should decide by now whether or not you can buy this barrel... these posts are beginning to get really dumb, including thise one... all of these are pointless.

[specter542]

ok buddy, :yell: :yell:
if it is THAT pointless, that why did u go into the thread in the first place and write to me>??? it musta been enticing b/c it obv caught ur eye. if u dont like this thread,
"find another place to feed your greed, while i find a place to rest" linkin park
and ur pitt little comment wont stop me from writing, nor will it stop others, so your in a league of your own. enjoi the self-indulgence, it wont last for long.
-sPecTer:pissed:
:atten:
:dunce:

[PaintballerX]

I, for one, agree. So did you decide or not Specter? 'Cause if you did, or even if you didn't, this thread is in SORE need of closing. Sorry to say, but it is pointless...just a bunch of random arguments, and nothing really ever helpful. GET IT! DON'T GET IT! WHO CARES?! Buy the damn thing if you want it...if not...quit yer whinin' and get on with yer life! Sorry if I sounded a bit harsh...oh yeah, guys, don't hate me, I sold the Tippmann to get my Angel! SORRY!

[specter542]

i dont care.....


-sPecTer

[Rabid Fishstick]

I don't think this post is pointless. Many good points have been proven about this barrel. Every type of arguement has been met too. It would be quite useful for future use. If I was looking to buy one, and wanted to take the time to check out the reviews, this post would be a good one to go too.:blah:

[specter542]

.thank u fishstick!!
ive never met a fishstick w/ such sense as you :D. we are the few that think this thread and my "i need FIRE POWER" should stay up. both have come a LOOOOOOOONG way and to close them while they are still in there 'youth' would be catostrophic.

-sPecTer
:freak:

[NoNames]

Well...since the flatline is a barrel, this thread should technically be in the barrel thread. And, since I had pyro create the Upgrades thread for upgrades like the RT, E-Bolt, Double Triggers, etc. The other one should go there. But hey, props on the threads going this long. They are pretty dead or in a coma-like state.

[Mimos]

Ok, I can tell you if the flatline is worth the investment. I'm not going to get in to accuracy and all that other junk. I'll cut to the point. How fast can you make the money? And how much will you miss the money? I only needed to work for eight hours to make enough money for mine and I have played with it for many, many more hours. And I dont miss the money one bit, it is a fair trade off for what I got. If you have a an allowance of 10 bucks a week, or some low pay job with car bills to pay, then no. Go with some other barrel. But if you have the means, you want something for woods, then go ahead. After all the barrel is what the thread said it was, an investment. Keep in mind that investments are not always sound. (I.E. if you play speedball, or you just like to mess around with friends and don't really play all that much.)

[cris8762]

:goody: :goody: someone talked about curving balls around corners with the flatline earlier in the thread, well i have to say that if you want to do that all you have to do is lick your finger then wet the tip of the barrel (on the inside) on the side that you want the ball to curve to. this is something my firends and i always do when we mess around b4 the game starts at the flag station:goody: :goody: you can do this with ANY barrel so dont think you are manipulating the flatline, it is just a fun trick that isnt very practical for a game but fun to mess around with..so dont start yelling at me about how i cheat :P

[Rabid Fishstick]

5th Man couldn't come up with the money:(
HUge dissapointment.

[black000titan]

this is what i think if you are playing in the woods it is good to have a flatline. this way you can have him in the back checking for ppl... he is a sniper that easy. you not only give him the flatline you also give him a radio and then he tells you where pll are. me and my frineds have this down to a math. if you would like to know how the game is played by my point of view e-mail me i have been playing for 8 years. :eek:

[specter542]

thanks man. this thread was in the bone yard and now it has been re-commisioned!!
my bro wants to get the FL once he gets his 98c, and he is a good back player. :D :D here is a pic of what were playing in.. actually several pics

[specter542]

here is a second pic of our woods. the first is my bro..

[specter542]

here is the second

[specter542]

lytwalk

[Crime Dog]

Please keep it on topic Specter...the pics really have nothing to do with answering your question... Thanks.

[specter542]

they do. b/c im showing where we are playing and whether or not people think, based on our playing area, if a flatline is good....:idea:

[Coenen]

First the on topic: Play a game, decide if you need the extra range, if you do get the flatline. I have seen it in action on two different weapons, both performed well, and gave the promised extreme long shot. One of them also was fitted w/ an r/t trigger I don't recall that it was busting many balls, but then again I wasn't close to the action.
Now to off topic: Crime Dog, if your flatline is still for sale and Specter isn't going to move on it I will have the cash for one by early next month.

Coenen

[FlyBoyNZ]

They should make the Flatline compatible for Piranhas, Spyders, and ect.

[specter542]

well based on what i observed today. the flatline looks kickass. i played in an indoor arena and this dude has a flatline. it was sweeeeeet...
it worked good enough to knock me out, and thats saying something. considering i took out all the electro guns, and cockers.

[specter542]

ok folks,
u've put up w/ the questions but i think i am made....
my brother is gettin the 98c. i am giving him my 14" smartparts progressive barrel, and psycho ballistics 2x trigger. and he'll also be gettin a 12v.
in return, I will be gettin a GTA :love: flatline:love: and either a 12v or a pro-team expansion chamber:D :D so there it is

[tonysk83]

dude crime close this thread it is so dead people have answered specters question about 100000000 times


p.s. i no specter is going to go mad

specter: :pissed: :crazy:
Me::P :P

[specter542]

not really tonysk83.... whatever :finger: :blah:
but by u contributing to this just reviels it! b/c of people like u, this thread has stayed alive..... THANKS!:tup:

[Coenen]

Get the Pro-team X-chamber, I've got a friend who runs one on his flatline98 it looks bad *****, goes good w/ a CAR-stock

[pyropig]

just in case Mcot still reads this sometime about his comment on the hellhound i have seen it being used and actually i was shot by it at the tippmann challenge 1. Man that De Walt drill powered Gatling gun thing shoots fast. And I also have a flatline on a 98 and i love it i got it for $50 used:D about 2 years ago i think. and when i first started using it many people would come up to me and say "that thing is f'ing cool" . I use a 4-15 scope on mine and when the barrel and scope are dialed in, as soon as you are in my crooshairs you are out.

[specter542]

i've learned to ignore when people diss the flatline b/c i saw it in action, i was marked by it and it performed awsome. the guy was nailing people left and right during the game.

[Assassin]

Flatlines are great for woods and shooting farther distances. You can shot up close...but it's not all that accurate. If you are gonna be playing a lot of speedball, I'd go with something else...but if you know you'll only be shooting from distances, the flatline should work well. The reason most people dis the flatline is because it does take some effort to "sight it in" (by firearms terms.) What I mean is that in order to get optimum performance from your barrel you will need to take the time to adjust it properly, otherwise, you will receive poor accuracy. That's the main reason I tend to shy people away from the flatline...that and it's relatively difficult to get clean and you have to use small paint or they will turn your barrel into a soup stick. If you are going to be shooting up close or playing speedball, don't get the flatline. If you are going to be shooting distances and you are willing to take the time to setup the barrel properly, the go for it. I use a 14" Carbon Fiber barrel and love it.

[Mimos]

Are you going to buy one yet specter?? :confused:

You can shot up close...but it's not all that accurate. YMMV, but, I shot a 4" high X 3" long rubber duck off a trash can from 10', then, 20', 30', 40', and 50'. One shot each time, except two shots at 50, but I think that was due to the breeze. Of course, I did painstakingly align the barrel as close to absolute perfection as possible.

that and it's relatively difficult to get clean It's not too bad, just tilt the hopper down and run a squeegie through the barrel. (Keep your finger off the trigger though....bolt almost ate my thumb once.)

and you have to use small paint or they will turn your barrel into a soup stick I've run all sorts of paint through mine. The only suff that craps out is B.E. (Hey, can't buy premium paint all the time.) and old proball. Everyone says to use marbs, but I find that marbs bounce aroud like ping-pong balls during mild to warm weather. In winter, marbs are great though.

Heh, didn't mean to pick apart your post Assassin, (I wonder why the curse filters don't pick your name up?) just comparing your experience to mine. YMMV from my own though.

[specter542]

im gonna ask for it and hopefully i will get it, but u see.... my big gift this yr will be a car:D my bday is in june but i already have my list set out of what i want. and the Flatline is on there. :) :)
dont worry guys, my bro is gettin a 98c and im gonna give him my 14" smartparts progressive barrel, if/when i get my flatline. im also asking for a 12v and rt, and xchamber. :)

[The Paintballer]

Yeah...I know the best site in existence for paintballs, it's been a godsend for a flatline owner like me. (These are all cases of 2000.)

Diablo Blaze- $40
Marbs- $50
Diablo Hellfire- $50
Big Balls- $30

They're at paintballdeals.com
:D :) :blah: :laugh:

Oh and if u dont want to squeegie it through the ball chamber then dont use the shroud. That way u can just unscrew and squeegie. I know it looks ugly...

[specter542]

ok thanks !! im gonna ask for the Flatline:) for my bday.

[specter542]

should i have it installed by professional at the pball shop down the road?? i've heard installation is the key. and... when i take apart my gun to clean, will i need to dissabsemble the flatline and have it reinstalled everytime i separate the recievers to clean??
thanks i appreciate it. im gonna get the Flatline and probably a 12v or a xchamber kit. thanks guy for all the help!!! but i would still like u all to still feed into this thread b/c advice and help is always great!!
:D :D :peace:

[Coenen]

Specter,

Try installing it yourself for starters and then if you can't get it right have it professionally done. That way if you do have to take it out every time you disassemble the recievers you can get it back in quickly instead of having to go to the proshop constantly. Well I guess it makes me captian of the obvious for stating that.

Coenen

[Surreal]

dude, just install it WITHOUT the shroud. it takes 2.5 seconds to do that way. the shroud is what makes the installation a pain in the butt. when you install without shroud, its just like a regular barrel.. you just screw the adapter peice in like a regular barrel and your done.

[The Paintballer]

You guys tell me that the adapter should line up w/ the gun seams, but mine won't line up cuz that's just as far as I can screw it in.

If you guys can have fortune cookie quotes why can't I?
"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering." -Yoda, Jedi Master

[specter542]

as soon as i get it i will be sure to do so.

[specter542]

ok guys,
now i'd like to hear ONLY from people who have or have had a flatline. i've heard it is picky on paint. What brands of paint should i use once i get the Flatline? and what paint shouldn't i use. i dont wanna hear brass eagle b/c BE paint isn't that bad.

[Mimos]

You guys tell me that the adapter should line up w/ the gun seams, but mine won't line up cuz that's just as far as I can screw it in. pssst, you need to loosen the body screws.;)

Specter, anything that piantballer said is good paint. Except only use marbs during cold wheather, otherwise they bounce like crazy in mild to warm wheather. I use big ball alot. It's cheap, and it's good quality for the price. I've run all sorts of paint through it, and even b.e. works- with just a little more ball breaks. Small bore isn't necessary as well. Lots of paint can be used if you take the time to install it well.

And installation is not difficult at all. Just line up the adaptor, then put the shroud on if you want, or insert the barrel, and eyeball it and adjust untill you get it aligned properly. It's really easy.

[specter542]

ok, thanks. so basically, hard shelled paintballs? i can't wait now!!

[The Paintballer]

I'm gonna go do that, thanx Memos...

[GreenPic]

this is the simplest way i found to line up your flatline barrel correctly, so u dont have to go down to the smithy and pay him to do it. Just use the big allen wrench that came with your tippmann and allign it with the crack down the flatline shroud. if u took the time to look at the barrel ull notice that theres a lil indent on the topback end of the muzzel. just move the barrel untill the allen wrench alligns with the indent and the crack. heres a couple pics i took. they're not too good but hopefully itll give u the idea.

Heres another way u can do it without the allen wrench. look at your barrel (between the muzzel and shroud) and ull see some lines going down the length of the barrel. just use those lines as a guide (instead of the allen wrench) to line up that indent with the shroud crack.

enjoy :D
http://www.hunting-pictures.com/members/GreenPic/flatline1.jpg

http://www.hunting-pictures.com/members/GreenPic/flatline2.jpg

[specter542]

yo greenpic, sorry yo, but i CANNOT make out what that is in the pic. sorry if im the only one. it looks like a metal vaccumcleaner hose. lmao.

[GreenPic]

im sorry the pics are so bad, i have a crappy digital camera. But that my friend is that allen wrench i was talkin about. its showing me lineing it up with that indent and the crack in the shroud. ;)

[Mimos]

Heh, my little indent on the muzzle was waaaay of the center of my barrel. So the allen wrench trick wouldn't work with mine. For anyone else w/the same prob. do this: look down the shroud, and line up the seam of the shroud halves with the tip of the teardrop groove on the barrel, not the little line/mark/indentation thingy.

[GreenPic]

didnt know that the indent veried between barrels. Guess i just got lucky when mine lined up :D

I just had another stoke of genious and i was wondering if u could drill holes into the flatline barrel (the part of the barrel thats behind the shroud) and put padding inside the shroud to drastically reduce any noise that comes outta the barrel?

dont tell the FBI this, they'll say its a silencer and come down on me if i empliment it. dont wanna spend time in a federal prison. :paranoid: call it an extension or something :P

[GreenPic]

my mind races and i forget to put down everything. :crazy:

i was going to say once u got your barrel shootin real good and straight, get your GFs nail polish and put a dot on the barrel as a point of reference so u can line it up easily next time u have to take it off.

[Mimos]

didnt know that the indent veried between barrels. Guess i just got lucky when mine lined up It may have been a manifacturing defect on mine, but it's not a biggie.

I just had another stoke of genious and i was wondering if u could drill holes into the flatline barrel (the part of the barrel thats behind the shroud) and put padding inside the shroud to drastically reduce any noise that comes outta the barrel? I'm sure you could, and I'm sure it would work. But, the paintball rubs up against the top of the barrel, and if there was a hole in there, the ball may break when it would hit the lip of the hole. I'd say just add on a 'barrel extender' to your stock barrel. I did, cops didn't mind. They just told me to only use it for the sport of paintball, and they would'nt have a problem. I'm glad I called into the police station and asked though. Mine worked well, from the front, all you heard was a very muffled 'thump.' Form the side though, you could hear the bolt slam ect. That one was only about three inces wide though, with about an eigth of an inch around the barrel for gas absorbsion. For the heck of it, I'm working on one that is seven inches wide with rougly three inches of space around the barrel to maximize gas absorbsion. :) Talk to your local athorities before attempting any noise reduction on your paintball gun. Your local police may not be as aproving as my local police.

[GreenPic]

ive looked into those. they look pretty sweet and ill probly end up gettin one some time. ya, the ATF is really wacky about makin silencers for any kind of gun.

i know a way to get rid of most that bolt slam. get some dr. scholles heel comfort stuff (the ones with the stickies on the back). cut out 3 small squares and put em on the front of the bolt. those shoe pads sure can absord a lot of shock, seeing how they're made to absorb 200+ pounds of force when we walk. i did it to my gun and it is so quiet. now im just tryin to get rid of muzzel noise. :)

[specter542]

:)

[specter542]

are there any other brands of paint i should avoid once i get my flatline?? which ones should i get. please list :)

[Mimos]

Don't buy super fragile tourny paint. Buy some that will measure a four-five on the bouce test. Any of the paint previouslylisted is good.

[The Paintballer]

So what accessories and upgrades work well w/ the flatline? u know for air and accuracy and stuff like that.

If you guys can have fotune cookie quotes why can't I?
"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. This is the path to the Dark side of the Force"- Yoda

[Rabid Fishstick]

So did he finally get his flatline? :eyes:

[Orpackrat]

So did he finally get his flatline? :eyes:

Are you really asking this over 9 years later :confused:

[Curly Fry]

Are you really asking this over 9 years later :confused:

He wants to know!:dodgy: