torid x or imagine?

[n00b123]

I was thinking about getting a new marker pretty soon.....but im not sure what to get. i think i have narrowed it down between the odyssey torid x with a decent hopper and the spyder imagine and then getting ups on it. which do you guys think i should get?
also if you say imagine please say what upgrades you would recomend.

[ibanez168]

Spyder Imagine 2005 Digital LED
Evo II
CP 1 Piece
HPA(Crossfire or Nitro-Duck)

Then if you get some extra cash:
An aftermarket bolt... Kingman ACS Delrin, ACP Blue Bolt, etc.
Regulator..Bob Long Torp, Palmer's Stab, CP reg
Dye Sticky 3's
ACP Thrasher Trigger
50-Gram Switch
T-Board(may want to get a Halo originally if you intend to T-Board)

[jdolla]

i'd say go with the spyder as well

i personally have never used one, but my experiences with OGI/Dragun guns have been pretty bad, and i've seen people do very well with spyders

[pbdan9190]

Go with the Imagine and a CP 1 Piece/J&J Ceramic, Reloader 2, and Lapco clamping feed. I hate those plastic elbows...

[DarkKnight1312]

ion

:dodgy:

I know itll take more time to save up for, but IMO renting a couple of times to save cash and then buying a a gun that will rip like no other is completely worth it.

But if your not willing to wait(the bad choice IMO) get the 2k5 imagine.

[draXXusballer]

Originally posted by DarkKnight1312
ion

:dodgy:

I know itll take more time to save up for, but IMO renting a couple of times to save cash and then buying a a gun that will rip like no other is completely worth it.

But if your not willing to wait(the bad choice IMO) get the 2k5 imagine.

[Everlight389]

Originally posted by DarkKnight1312
ion

:dodgy:

I know itll take more time to save up for, but IMO renting a couple of times to save cash and then buying a a gun that will rip like no other is completely worth it.

But if your not willing to wait(the bad choice IMO) get the 2k5 imagine.

Yup, blowbacks are pretty much out the window with a good low end electro. It would be well worth your while to save up and buy an Ion.

[United Idiots]

Originally posted by ibanez168
Spyder Imagine 2005 Digital LED
Evo II
CP 1 Piece
HPA(Crossfire or Nitro-Duck)

Then if you get some extra cash:
PAINT

[draXXusballer]

quote:
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Originally posted by ibanez168
Spyder Imagine 2005 Digital LED
Evo II
CP 1 Piece
HPA(Crossfire or Nitro-Duck)

Then if you get some extra cash:

PAINT
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for sure. you need money to play...duh

[ibanez168]

also if you say imagine please say what upgrades you would recomend.

Paint isn't an upgrade.

:|

But yeah, I would stick with the first four things I listed and if you really want your gun to be better, buy a high end gun and sell your spyder instead of putting all those ups on it.

I don't get why paintballs cost so much, they can't possibly cost more than 5$ to make.

[plaztik]

Originally posted by DarkKnight1312
ion

:dodgy:

I know itll take more time to save up for, but IMO renting a couple of times to save cash and then buying a a gun that will rip like no other is completely worth it.

But if your not willing to wait(the bad choice IMO) get the 2k5 imagine.

Oh course most people posting threads such as this have never held an ion in their life much less shot one.

It just came out it may have some problems.

If you are going to spend that much I would go for the 2k4 BKO. Same price and potentially better performance.

[Hmmm Donut]

Originally posted by Everlight389


Yup, blowbacks are pretty much out the window with a good low end electro. It would be well worth your while to save up and buy an Ion.

Haha no..........
Spyder + t-boared is Faster than any low end electro.
If you want to skip blowbacks that is fine, but i highly suggest you skip the low end electro also. FInd a used imp, or b2k for around the price of a ion. Upgrade then sell it for something better.

[professor_josh]

Originally posted by Hmmm Donut


Haha no..........
Spyder + t-boared is Faster than any low end electro.
If you want to skip blowbacks that is fine, but i highly suggest you skip the low end electro also. FInd a used imp, or b2k for around the price of a ion. Upgrade then sell it for something better.
Personally I believe if all you have is cash for a spyder, buy a damn spyder and go play every weekend instead of skipping a season to save for something you can't even afford to put paint through. Spyders can be upped to be excellent markers, more than sufficient for a rec player.

[comando345]

How much money do you have to spend? What do you play? These are things you should tell us before you ask what gun would be good for you.

You should attempt to try out a marker before you buy it, chances are there is an imagine at your field, you should try it before you buy it.

If you have money left over for upgrades, the first thing you will Need is a revi; if you don't already have one. IMO the single best upgrade after that is a nitro tank, followed by a decent HPR, followed by a nice ceramic barrel.

[stlyesom]

Originally posted by DarkKnight1312
ion

:dodgy:

I know itll take more time to save up for, but IMO renting a couple of times to save cash and then buying a a gun that will rip like no other is completely worth it.

But if your not willing to wait(the bad choice IMO) get the 2k5 imagine.

^This one speaks the truth.

Also, what gun do you have now?

[robdamanii]

Originally posted by plaztik


Oh course most people posting threads such as this have never held an ion in their life much less shot one.

It just came out it may have some problems.

If you are going to spend that much I would go for the 2k4 BKO. Same price and potentially better performance.

I've shot the hell out of an Ion, and I'll vote that he skips they spyder and all the ups and gets an Ion.

His other option is to buy the spyder, EggII, a decent reg, and a HPA system, then play, get better, and save all that "upgrade money" for a good marker.

[Everlight389]

Originally posted by Hmmm Donut


Haha no..........
Spyder + t-boared is Faster than any low end electro.
If you want to skip blowbacks that is fine, but i highly suggest you skip the low end electro also. FInd a used imp, or b2k for around the price of a ion. Upgrade then sell it for something better.

I don't know what planet your from, but here on earth a spool valve will ALWAYS be better than a blowback. Blowbacks will always be inefficent and have a fair amount of kick, while the Ion will be the opposite. A spyder will always be a blowback limited to springs and hammers, while the Ion is fully pneumatic has more potential.

My friend Chris (f2f4) has a t-boarded "superspyder" and he's fixing it constantly. He can literally get it working, and the next day it won't... even if he didn't touch it. Spyders just don't make high ends, ever, no matter how much money you put into them. You can play with them, but upgrading a blowback is like putting a new engine in a Hyudai Elantra, it's not going anywhere fast no matter what you do. I'd like to see anyone shoot a spyder at 17 balls per second and control it accurately... it just won't work.

A used Impulse would be a good idea except that companies will probably stop supporting it later this year, thus leaving you with an old-design marker. If he likes it then go for it, but the Impulse is on the way out. I've never dis/reassembled a b2k, but they seem decent.

And why would you buy something, upgrade it, then sell it? You'd just be losing money, and have to go through the hassle of selling it, which costs time and more money.

[mooseknuckle]

Originally posted by ibanez168
Spyder Imagine 2005 Digital LED
Evo II
CP 1 Piece
HPA(Crossfire or Nitro-Duck)

Then if you get some extra cash:
An aftermarket bolt... Kingman ACS Delrin, ACP Blue Bolt, etc.
Regulator..Bob Long Torp, Palmer's Stab, CP reg
Dye Sticky 3's
ACP Thrasher Trigger
50-Gram Switch
T-Board(may want to get a Halo originally if you intend to T-Board)
Or you could save all the money you would save on that crap and buy a decent gun.

[ibanez168]

Originally posted by ibanez168

But yeah, I would stick with the first four things I listed and if you really want your gun to be better, buy a high end gun and sell your spyder instead of putting all those ups on it.


Try reading.

[Daryn]

get the Spyder. i love mine.

its soon to be my backup marker though. Automag in the mail.

[DarkKnight1312]

Originally posted by Everlight389
My friend Chris (f2f4) has a t-boarded "superspyder" and he's fixing it constantly. He can literally get it working, and the next day it won't... even if he didn't touch it. Spyders just don't make high ends, ever, no matter how much money you put into them. You can play with them, but upgrading a blowback is like putting a new engine in a Hyudai Elantra, it's not going anywhere fast no matter what you do. I'd like to see anyone shoot a spyder at 17 balls per second and control it accurately... it just won't work.


Thats a really good reason to skip the spyder. B/c eff has basically upped his spyder to the max and his is the nicest a spyder can be without being a spimmy.

Since he said imagine w/ ups or a torid x. I'd assume he has about $200 to spend so heres the steps to follow.
1. Save another $85
2. Buy ion
3. Get tank anti-siphoned, and set up for the ion before shooting it.
4.
5. Profit

[n00b123]

well actually i have about $600, but im also saving up for a race car....but im going to spend some money on this because that's going to take so long.

[comando345]

Its incredible how many people will recommend a completely unproved marker from a maker with traditionaly poor quality, escpecially when it comes to first generation markers.

An Imagine, nitro and a revi would be more than he needs, for a very reasonable price.

[robdamanii]

Originally posted by comando345
Its incredible how many people will recommend a completely unproved marker from a maker with traditionaly poor quality, escpecially when it comes to first generation markers.

An Imagine, nitro and a revi would be more than he needs, for a very reasonable price.

It's incredible to what lengths you'll go to bash SP for anything they do. They could have put out the Ego, and you'd STILL say they sucked. Everything out of your mouth is "SP sucks" and "Don't buy anything from SP". It's getting tired and old. Hating SP is not now, nor was it ever, cool.

Admit to the fact they made a brilliant move by putting out a quality, affordable marker to the masses.

[comando345]

You don't know that. I really doubt they have improved their quality controls on the CHEAPEST GUN THEY MAKE.

[DarkeWolf]

it also never fails to get old how when somebody has two particular markers in mind, that everybody has to suggest something else to them, instead of giving them reasons why they should or shouldnt get the markers that they are thinking about. Or give them any help in deciding which one they should get.

the torid x is an awesome marker. PROS- it is very fast, very easy to pull, comes with anti-chop eyes, is extremely upgradable, and comes with a very decent factory barrel. CONS- NO Factory support! If anything seriously goes wrong with it, you are SOL. Odyssey has CRAP for support for their markers customers, and many times you cant even get in touch with them.

the imagine- the imagine is every bit as upgradable as the torid, comes from a reputable company, and has proven itself in the hands of many many spyder owners. CONS- I personally dont like the trigger/trigger pull on it. Has a pretty bad barrel, and needs to be replaced ASAP. Low bps cap on the factory board (14 for the 05, 13 for the 04). doesnt come with an anti-chop eye from the factory.

Overall, you'd need to spend money on the imagine, to make it what the Torid is, stock. But the Torid has little or no support for it from odyssey.

[Everlight389]

If he wants to go blowback, this (http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=F8Q6NNhMCV06_ppvc176nNKF6Cmj50NOeVc=?Pro ductID=PkHAqArbOn8AAAEBC_nw_UUM#) is a new gun that already has eyes and sounds fairly decent. Stray a CP Grip reg and a better barrel on it and it will be good for a blowback.

I don't, and never will, trust OGI markers. The Spyder is ok, but just don't upgrade the internals.

[plaztik]

Originally posted by robdamanii


It's incredible to what lengths you'll go to bash SP for anything they do. They could have put out the Ego, and you'd STILL say they sucked. Everything out of your mouth is "SP sucks" and "Don't buy anything from SP". It's getting tired and old. Hating SP is not now, nor was it ever, cool.

Admit to the fact they made a brilliant move by putting out a quality, affordable marker to the masses.

He isn't flaming smart parts. He's just saying that it is a first generation gun and it is bound to have some bugs that the SP team hasn't worked out yet.

[robdamanii]

Originally posted by plaztik


He isn't flaming smart parts. He's just saying that it is a first generation gun and it is bound to have some bugs that the SP team hasn't worked out yet.

You haven't watched him flame SP in every thread that has the word "Ion" in it...

[comando345]

Its not flaming if its fact. SP has awful quality, this is coming from someone who has owned SP products in the past.

[robdamanii]

Originally posted by comando345
Its not flaming if its fact. SP has awful quality, this is coming from someone who has owned SP products in the past.

And I'm saying they have fairly decent quality, coming from someone who has, and still does own, Smart Parts products, in addition to selling them and watching how they hold up.

If you don't like the Ion, fine. There's no need to tell everyone it's a piece of junk when there have been no glaring problems with the marker.

But wait...ITS UNTESTED SO IT SUCKS.

Every marker that's not been out for a year is untested, then, in your eyes. G7s suck, 05 BKOS suck, Freestyle Pros Suck, Ripper 2's suck, 05 Speeds suck, DC2s suck, Dark Shockers suck, Ego's suck, Sonic Cyborgs suck....get my drift?

[DarkeWolf]

I really GOTTA ask........WTF does all this debating over the Ion (in like, the 20th thread) have to do with the guy wanting help choosing between a Torid, or an Imagine????????????????????

[comando345]

Originally posted by robdamanii


And I'm saying they have fairly decent quality, coming from someone who has, and still does own, Smart Parts products, in addition to selling them and watching how they hold up.


I would say you have a pretty weak standard

If you don't like the Ion, fine. There's no need to tell everyone it's a piece of junk when there have been no glaring problems with the marker.

But wait...ITS UNTESTED SO IT SUCKS.


Its untested, and it comes from a shady manufacturer.

Every marker that's not been out for a year is untested, then, in your eyes. G7s suck, 05 BKOS suck, Freestyle Pros Suck, Ripper 2's suck, 05 Speeds suck, DC2s suck, Dark Shockers suck, Ego's suck, Sonic Cyborgs suck....get my drift?

Most of those are the latest models, not an entirely new gun. And I would suggest waiting to buy any of those new guns until any issues are known, especially if it happens to come from a company with a bad history of quality control and first generation guns.

[f2f4]

Originally posted by Everlight389
My friend Chris (f2f4) has a t-boarded "superspyder" and he's fixing it constantly. He can literally get it working, and the next day it won't... even if he didn't touch it. Spyders just don't make high ends, ever, no matter how much money you put into them. You can play with them, but upgrading a blowback is like putting a new engine in a Hyudai Elantra, it's not going anywhere fast no matter what you do. I'd like to see anyone shoot a spyder at 17 balls per second and control it accurately... it just won't work.I don't know if I would say "every day", but it does seem to need a LOT of tuning, tweaking, and lots of oiling. When it works, it rips. The key part here being: "When it works".

So yeah, take it from me. Get the Ion. I've been there, done that, and am still mowing faces.

...Should be nice to see how the HK fact. team likes my Ion when I get it... Oops, did I say something? Supposed to be teh secret... Haha, I love invisible text. ^_^

[sweden2]

Imagine. And upgrades should be hopper revvy or egg, barrel, and HPA, and feed neck of course (stock ones suck)