should i buy FLATLINE or J&J ceramic?

[sniperdude9]

I have a choice of getting a j&j ceramic or a flat line for my tippy but i do not no what to choose. I have read on here that the flat line has good range but is unaccurate and the j&j is very quite accurate and light. Also my local field is very crappy and its only about 300-500 feet in length (the woodie area) it might be less then 500 its just a estamate but looking at that i am thinking of getting a ceramic cause of the lack of size of field. Please help me decide and tell me some good things about the flatline. I have a tippy 98 i can only get one or the other. But right now i have a sp proggresive

[ghilliesnipe]

If you have to ask then I would say the J and J. Get that, then look on ebay or on the trading forums for a cheap flatline. Ive talked about the flatline way too much. Do a search on it using the search button and read the stickies. Even if you do buy the flatline, you will want a nice normal barrel like the jandj for those days when the flatline "decides" to not shoot right.

[senghing27]

Is money a problem?? If not, just get both. But, if the area is that big, and u like to longball it to whoopla, then get the flatline. I dunno if u got an a-5 or 98, but the 98 flatline is redicouliosy (spelling) long. The j&j ceramic is nice. If you want mobility, get the j&j. But, its just a matter of playing style.

[i_lovesniping]

Dont get the flatline it sucks. Oh ya hes got an 98 c im his friend. I already told him the flatline sucks but he still thinks its good.

[i_lovesniping]

James i alreadt said get the j and j. and u lyer u dont have cp air. He has co2. But hes getting cp air soon.

[Pantelones]

... please don't double post in the future, kthxbye


J&J

[E r y k]

theres nothing wrong with the flatline... its a barrel nobody else can have (besides from other tippy owners)

if you can afford to shoot small bored paint (like evils) then go for it.

[mode]

Well I took the J&J Ceramic. It's very light and quiet, not to forget accurate. I have played 3 times, and It has worked very well. I have the 12" inch, and I didn't regret taking it.

dani

[Stan the HitMan]

Originally posted by i_lovesniping
Dont get the flatline it sucks. Oh ya hes got an 98 c im his friend. I already told him the flatline sucks but he still thinks its good.

When you say the flatline sucks it is a direct projection of your own ignorance, the flatline most defiantly does not suck if you have a shed of knowledge and patience.

It would be a different story if you have used the flatline and had it work right and just prefer to lob a ball because flat trajectory is to weird for you but to say it sucks is just a lack of knowledge.

[paintballmike11]

GO for the J & J...i had one on my 98 and i liked it alot...my friends that have 98's have some trouble i know at first with the flatline...on the a5 i fired that flatline was nice but make it really loud

[i_lovesniping]

ya but at 300 feet its not going to break.

[Daryn]

i have a friend that uses the flatline and loves it. everyone fears him.

the downfall though is that it is extremely loud and from what i've noticed, its not exactly the best barrel to get into to small fire fights with. it shoots extremely far and the backspin it puts on the ball is amazing, but i would personally want something quieter and better for every aspect of the field.

i play a lot of woodsball and when he fires off a few shots, i can pinpoint his position every time, easily. everyone tends to stay away from him though, because the sound and appearance alone is intimidating.

it depends on your game style. i would personally get the J and J over the Flatline, but it's not what works for me. it's what works for you.

neither barrel sucks. it's just a difference between playing styles. the flatline is definitely an intimidator though.

[i_lovesniping]

I think u should get the j and j and use the spare money and get cp air.

[TippmannPhreak]

Originally posted by i_lovesniping
Dont get the flatline it sucks. Oh ya hes got an 98 c im his friend. I already told him the flatline sucks but he still thinks its good.

I'm already starting to not like you. The Flatline doesn't suck, it's an awesome barrel, and gives you a vast tactical advantage in woodsball.

But to answer your question, I'd say get the J&J. The Flatline can't be used in both speedball and woodsball, the J&J can. The J&J is more versatile, so get that first, then get the Flatline.

[i_lovesniping]

Do u even have a flatline

[milkmanx91]

ok children stop fighting, i have a flatline on my a-5 and i love it, however it is a bit inaccurate, so i have another normal barrel for speedball(systemx 1pc.) and this setup works reallly well for me, if i were you id get both, if money isnt a problem, that is.

[rdaubert]

Stop the fighting children. If you are just gonna be in that field your whole like get the J&J. If you ever plan on playing anywhere else defiently get the flatline. It shoots flat and goes really far. It does break at long ranges. Even if it dosen't you will still hit your opponent and a stock barrel won't even be able to reach them. I would rather be able to hit the opposition when they can't hit me even if they don't break. I you decide to get a flatline make sure you take the time to set it up correctly.

[Chill_Bebop]

For regular play on any normal field, get the J&J Ceramic. The Flatline really isnt suited for smaller fields.

It depends on your gameplay, but i'd just test them both out. I despise my Flatline. Probably because the guy before me chopped the shroud, and whenever i play without, the barrel has a habit of flopping over to one side. How excellent. With it, i feel like a complete nerd.

I'd personally get the J&J.

[TippmannPhreak]

Originally posted by i_lovesniping
Do u even have a flatline

Used to, and I loved it. But I needed money, so I sold it to a friend.

[TippmannPhreak]

Originally posted by rdaubert
Stop the fighting children.

What? Is it fashionable now for noobs to copy the person directly above them?

[Coenen]

Good to see you guys taking the initiative to try and stop some of these petty tussles.

Anywho, I've got both a Flatline and a Teardrop(which amounts to a fancier looking progressive). Take the marker out and play with it one day, pay attention to how often you REALLY NEED extra range. Also pay attention to how far away most of your opponents are when you engage them. I did and found that most of the engagements I was getting into were well within the range of a traditional barrel. Also try and find a used Flatline, they are out there and often can be had in good condition on the cheap.

I wouldn't however reccomend ditching the Progressive for a J&J not enough improvement to justify the purchase IMO.

[Chill_Bebop]

Originally posted by Coenen

I wouldn't however reccomend ditching the Progressive for a J&J not enough improvement to justify the purchase IMO.

Agreed.

[k00leo]

I have a J&J cermanic 14 in barrel and I love it.
--its light
--quit
--short (compared to the flatline)
-- has a awsome lil J&J symbol

[i_lovesniping]

I told my friend sniperdude9 that its not worth replacing a proggresive for a j and j but he wont listen.lol

[Death_by_98]

question....why cant anyone on here spell quiet....?

Q-U-I-E-T


lol, thx....continue with your fighting! (its very amusing)

[sniperdude9]

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR GUY's HELP I AM NOW GETTING A FLATLINE

[Stan the HitMan]

if you need any help installing it or maintaining it ask me for my PowerPoint presentation on how, unfortunately it is on my laptop which was recalled so i have to wait to get my hard drive back on a disk, i sent it to ghillisnipe so you can ask him to see if he still has it

[rdaubert]

Good choice. I believe that you will be very happy with your purchase. Like I said before don't skimp on the install because it is the most important phase in getting it to shoot right. There are some forums here on how to set it up correctly and if would be a good idea to do a search. Good Luck!

[pigpower100]

i know its not a choice and i dont no if its right but what bot the broomstick

[ghilliesnipe]

Originally posted by pigpower100
i know its not a choice and i dont no if its right but what bot the broomstick

Broomstick? I know a few ex-girlfriends who use those.

[spoon's66]

im sort of a hypocrit. i have a flatline and i love the thing to death. but i would recomend the j&j. because you realy never need the extra distance or the flat line it shoots. its realy difficult to take care of and if you dont get the right paint you will shoot yourself from the curv. well not exactly but you get the point. if you do get the right paint, it can be just as accurate as any normal barrel. im just realy sick of people judging the balls accuracy at realy long distances. at a realy long distance yea,, its not that accurate. but then again any other gun/barrel couldnt reach that distance in the first place. i had a 16 inch nyte stikk before the flatline, and in my oppinion that was an incredibly accurate barrel, i was able to put balls through the little cracks in hyperball. and with my flatline, it doesnt exactly get that kind of accuracy but its more accurate than alot of barrel upgrades. im pulling this outa my a$$ but i would probably say at 100+ft its probably 1 to 2 feet off. 50% of the time. so its ganna take a couple more shots than lets say a boomstick, but like people say its all a matter of oppinion. i just love the way it shoots, the only reason i keep it. other than that i would sell it in a second.

[tippmannjunky04]

Originally posted by sniperdude9
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR GUY's HELP I AM NOW GETTING A FLATLINE


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I would urge you to re-consider and buy another barrel. For 30 bucks less, you can pick up a dye ultralight that is wayyy more accurate than the flatline. I definantly would reccomend another barrel. My friend got a flatline, and said it was extremly inconsistant, even with an expansion chamber.

Back to the ultralight, using good paint....I can get an 8 inch spread from 100+ feet. Probably smaller, but I will give others the benefit of the doubt.

[spoon's66]

he isnt ganna listen, i was the same way when it came to my flatline, though i like it now. i was to stuborn to listen. the flatline realy does suck. its a horrible barrel. and man you should listen to people, they know what they are talking about, dont be the type like me and have to experiance it first hand.

[ghilliesnipe]

Originally posted by spoon's66
he isnt ganna listen, i was the same way when it came to my flatline, though i like it now. i was to stuborn to listen. the flatline realy does suck. its a horrible barrel. and man you should listen to people, they know what they are talking about, dont be the type like me and have to experiance it first hand.

That's really contradictory. You like something that sucks?....well I guess I can sort a understand;)

[sniperdude9]

first off i am getting one but i was wondering how does a barrel make your gun be inconnsistant its just a barrel and also i heard flatlines are gas hogs but how can a barrel with no moving parts eat up more gas then any other. and anyway you gun will still let out the same amount of gas with a normal barrel and the same amount with a flatline

[Coenen]

Since Flatlines have a huge bore more gas travels around the ball. This extra gas flowing around the ball means extra gas is needed to excellarate the ball to the proper velocity. Hence, a slight drop in efficiency.

[tippmannjunky04]

Yeah. I doubt he will listen. But I tried. My friend was the exact same way, but he payed for it lol.

The flatline is inconsistant, incosistant in accuracy. My friend said he could barely hit a tree 50 feet away, and that the accuracy of the thing was nearly the same as the stock barrel. I still don't understand how it puts centrifugal force on a ball, without it curving. So far, that hasn't proved right.

[splatm0nk3y]

Obviously ur gonna need to do a lot of work on ur tippy to get the flatline to shoot well and on target. Flatline shoots as accuate as any barrel out there with added range. However it takes quite bit of tweaking and certian parts to make it prefromed as desired. The barrel works best at 280-285fps using med-small bore paint, med bore being the best. A rear veolcity adjuster dose the trick and reg(expensive upg) /x-chamberw/remote (cheap upg) will help keep the co2 in cheak. To prevent chopping use a direct feed. This is of course ur willing to spend the moeny and the time on top to make this barrel work (test to see what suits u best).

don't diss the barrel becauz u used the flatline once (probly stright out of the box) or seen being used with ****tyfantastic results. It bound to happen without proper tweeking.

I have jj cermamic as well and i say it luv for speedball.
or if i am point man in senrio\woodsball game. i'd get this as well, it's a kickass barrel and it works on a stock tippy w no tweeks!!!!

[spoon's66]

Originally posted by splatm0nk3y
Obviously ur gonna need to do a lot of work on ur tippy to get the flatline to shoot well and on target. Flatline shoots as accuate as any barrel out there with added range. However it takes quite bit of tweaking and certian parts to make it prefromed as desired. The barrel works best at 180-185fps using med-small bore paint, med bore being the best. A rear veolcity adjuster dose the trick and reg(expensive upg) /x-chamberw/remote (cheap upg) will help keep the co2 in cheak. To prevent chopping use a direct feed. This is of course ur willing to spend the moeny and the time on top to make this barrel work (test to see what suits u best).

don't diss the barrel becauz u used the flatline once (probly stright out of the box) or seen being used with ****tyfantastic results. It bound to happen without proper tweeking.

I have jj cermamic as well and i say i luv for speedball.
or if i am point man in senrio\woodsball. i'd get this as well it a kickass barrel and it works on a stock tippy w no tweks!!!!

can i get an A-men to this post. except im ganna change, the flatline is almost, as accurate as any other barrel out there, its still got its problems. it does take alot of tweeking with the gun, i mean alot. i used probably a whole case of paint just to get it accurate, then i went out and bought a new case of differant brand and had to start all over. differant balls might require you to mess around alittle, which is why you need to find a good heavy paintball, like blaze, set the barrel, and dont touch it. also the reason people say its inconsistant is because if you have the barrel tilted even sligtly it wont be perfectly accurate, one of the major downfalls of having the backspin. also if there is greese in the barrel, that will effect it majorly. you want the barrel as dry as possible or else the backspin wont work properly. wind also effects the ball alot. you will find its alot more trouble than its worth, but it realy is fun to shoot because of the straight line it shoots. straight as in not lobbing like every other barrel. the only reason im keeping mine is because of the way it shoots, i would be doing alot better without it. but hell who cares, as long as your haven fun.

[splatm0nk3y]

ya am gonna agree that the flatline is ...Almost as....not as accurate. Yeah, I don't use greasy balls in any barrel really especailly the flatline. they tend to chop 2 as well.

Oh and the should be set at a veoclity of 280-285 not 180-185(wtf was i thinking)

sorrry about that

[tippmannjunky04]

Originally posted by splatm0nk3y
Obviously ur gonna need to do a lot of work on ur tippy to get the flatline to shoot well and on target. Flatline shoots as accuate as any barrel out there with added range. However it takes quite bit of tweaking and certian parts to make it prefromed as desired. The barrel works best at 180-185fps using med-small bore paint, med bore being the best. A rear veolcity adjuster dose the trick and reg(expensive upg) /x-chamberw/remote (cheap upg) will help keep the co2 in cheak. To prevent chopping use a direct feed. This is of course ur willing to spend the moeny and the time on top to make this barrel work (test to see what suits u best).

don't diss the barrel becauz u used the flatline once (probly stright out of the box) or seen being used with ****tyfantastic results. It bound to happen without proper tweeking.

I have jj cermamic as well and i say it luv for speedball.
or if i am point man in senrio\woodsball game. i'd get this as well, it's a kickass barrel and it works on a stock tippy w no tweeks!!!!


What is this? You should no have to upgrade your gun to get your barrel to work right. For other barrels you don't have to do that. By the time you waste all the time and money, it would be better just to save and get another higher end gun. YOU shouldn't have to tweak a barrel for hours to get it straight. That's bullcrap. My ultralight, I buy right paint, and I can shoot way more accurate than any of you with flatlines, and I only bought the barrel for 30 bucks less, and without any other hassle.
The End

[spoon's66]

Originally posted by tippmannjunky04



What is this? You should no have to upgrade your gun to get your barrel to work right. For other barrels you don't have to do that. By the time you waste all the time and money, it would be better just to save and get another higher end gun. YOU shouldn't have to tweak a barrel for hours to get it straight. That's bullcrap. My ultralight, I buy right paint, and I can shoot way more accurate than any of you with flatlines, and I only bought the barrel for 30 bucks less, and without any other hassle.
The End

uhh well, the reason we do have to tweek the barrel is because thats the way tippman made it for some reason, they could have manufactured it alot better than they did, but they didnt. and we have already agreed on that the flatline isnt as accurate. but its his money, and if he would rather spend it on a flatline than a normal barrel, he can go ahead. im not saying the flatline is a bad barrel, it just requires alot of patients and care. i would advize agaisnt it though because most people hate the thing, but you never know, there are people like me, that perfer it over a normal barrel.

[TheSpy11]

The reason they made the 98 Flatline the way they did was because the 98 wasn't originally designed with the Flatline in mind. They had to find a way to make it work and they did. Tippmann would have to redesign the gun in order to have it install easier. Now the A-5 was designed with the Flatline in mind so that's why the A-5 Flatline is a 'no tweaking necessary' barrel. You just have to find a good paint and fire away.

[wh0th3hel1ru]

get the jj cause the flatline is only good for the a-5. the a-5 flatline is slightly different then the c98 so i suggest u should get the jj

[Satanicsanta090]

lapco bigshot....
in my experience it beats both the barrels you want cept for the flatline in range....
flatline is a pain to get working right and maintain and get paint for....J&J is worse than lapco

[splatm0nk3y]

yeah, seems like alot 2 do. But of the upgrades you do to the m98c that flatline barrel requires is standard stuff i would put on any low end mechanical marker. Stablizing the CO2 for conistant shots and lowering chops in the gun. And although HPA is so much better but i wouldn't get it for m98c. First this a gun the is desgin 2 run CO2 and second i can't justfy buying a tank that cost more than the marker i paid for.


as for tweaking the barrel. Fastest and easiet way is go 2 a crono and set the m98c at 280-285fps . Thats it for consitant shots and realtivly accurate shots. Any higher or lower we have inconistancy in preformace with the barrel. This is due the backspin placed on the paintball. To little pressure and balls fly no were, to much and they fly everywhere even when ur holding the gun correctly, but at 280-285 ur in the zone. You can do this in less then 5 mins. with an RVA. I point out this barrel was design for senireo games\woodsball at fields you go to for play.

Sadly we all don't have access to cronos if we play in the backyard or in the woods with some buddies. so calbirating the gun to the barrel is a pain in the @ss. 1 full day and 500 rounds or more dose the trick. In this case i just use my jj rather than deal with the hassle.

[calithugs913]

does anyboyd know if using nitrogen would make the flatline better? would it then make the shots more consistant and accurate?I have a flatline and it sometimes soots well and sometimes does not. So i was wundering if that would make a diff

[splatm0nk3y]

flatline needs 280-285fps to shoot properly and accuatuly. HPA is extremly stable because its just n2 or air. and temp doesn't affect it. This equates to constisant shots. However it is expensive 2 g3t in terms of equipment.

CO2 is the oppsite it cheap but unfortally temp it flucates with temp. If it's to hot u get spikes or to cold and pressure drops, go to the air forums for more detailed explaination. However this can be fixed with x chamber and remote. ANd this all cheaper than just getting a HPA tank.

so if u have the cash to blow get HPA
if u want to save, stick with CO2

[ghilliesnipe]

Once you get a stabilizer and antisyphoned or remoted CO2, you might consider getting a $75 crossfire 47/3000 tank. The stabilizer might need a tank full to break it in on HPA, but at least you will know if that increases your accuracy beyond the co2/stabilizer setup. At high ROF or in cold weather, HPA will be better anyways.
A palmer's, once broken in, is way better than a remote/expansion chamber/antisyphon alone.

[splatm0nk3y]

true so very true

[Phathed]

Get the J&J

[devilnevel]

agreed. get the J&J 12". that should do it.

[Death_by_98]

guys....this thread is sooo dead...................