more serious pb

[slickguy55]

does anyone agree with me on this??? like is think they need to get more serious about pro paintball like.... have a pro rookie novice and amatuer leagues and have like 20 teams a league and have each division have 5 matches a week on tv.... wouldnt that kick ***?

[Thor the Mighty]

yeah it would but people have lives. there isnt enough money for people to PLAY paintball as a career so it cant be done all the time which would hurt the idea

[Bullseye]

How much do hockey pads cost? And Lacrosse sticks and helmets and pads? Lacrosse, football, baseball and soccer all have their own manicured fields as well. Paintball could take place on already established sports fields with the addition of temporary safety netting and inflatable obstacles (pronounced "obs-tackles" :D ). Imagine packing the stands with fans! There are like ten ESPN channels at any one time that go unused, aren't there? That's what I really want to see: paintball on TV. There are already paintball tournaments anyway, so it's just a stone's throw away from raising the stakes to support pro players. At least, that's my uninformed hypothesis...

Hey, and Golf! Talk about land better used otherwise!

[Incube]

Hockey is really expensive....tripple the amount of paintball...but a leage would be cool!

[AngrySloth]

Originally posted by Incube
Hockey is really expensive....tripple the amount of paintball...

Yeah but in hockey you can reuse all of your equipment. Paintballs aren't really reusable. You have to keep buying paint.

[Incube]

yeah but i dont mean long range..and still you need new pads and sticks sometimes..and skates...

[AngrySloth]

Ok, if you're talking about initial investment you're probably right. (Assuming you're not buying an Angel.)

[Incube]

Well sometimes even if you are buying and angel..youll be spending more on hockey...Skates a good pair cost 400 or more bucks if your a golie they cost even more and golie pads cost even more and it gets more and more expensive....chin pad a good pair cost 200, team payment to get on teh team cost 500 to 600! its crazy dont forget all the other pads and pants witch will cost you around 400 to 500!

[death]

another thing. how would the tv channels, make money? there aren't that many pb players in the us (compared to other televised sports). and then paintball isn't an established sport(don't give me the bull crap about how it will be as soon as tv starts broadcasting), people dont' want to play an expensive sport, that
A) isn't very popular (compared to other sports)
B) isnt' a contact/violent sport (maybe not to a high extent)
C) costs a lot to play often (not even pros play hockey everyday)
D) lets you get shot at

in the end, paintball isn't hard to master. people don't like easy sports. soccer you have to perfect your kick. baseball, your throw, hit. football, throw. hockey, shots... paintball is just point and shoot. it's fun, but it won't be a televised sport any time soon. now scenarios...

[elTwitcho]

I really like the point paintball is at now in terms of organization of tournaments and frequency of events. I don't believe it would be practical to increase the number of tournaments for regular television watching. I personally hope they can start televising tournaments over here to the high level of production that went into the Toulouse tournament in France

[Bullseye]

Originally posted by death
another thing. how would the tv channels, make money?
The same way they make money every moment of every day. Advertising. Doesn't matter what. Powerade, jockstraps, the George Foreman Lean Mean Fat-Reducing Grilling Machine... If they don't think that's enough money, then they can make it Pay-Per-View if they want, I'd pay to view it.
Originally posted by death
people dont' want to play an expensive sport, that
A) isn't very popular (compared to other sports)

It's popular enough dangit :peace:
B) isnt' a contact/violent sport (maybe not to a high extent)
So people *want* this sport to be violent? Hey, you don't think shooting projectiles at each other is violent enough? Or your projectiles don't make contact with anybody? As long as paint markers resemble guns in stylistic and practical design, this sport will be considered violent, regardless of any facts.
C) costs a lot to play often (not even pros play hockey everyday)
You play paintball every day? Maybe we should have a poll and find out who does. I'd sure like to but certain financial restrictions... Of course sports players don't play every day. They practice and drill, though, and you don't need paint to practice movement, communication, tactics etc...
D) lets you get shot at
Hey, careful now... That's my favorite part you're talking about...
Sure you get shot at, the trick is not to get hit :D
in the end, paintball isn't hard to master. people don't like easy sports. soccer you have to perfect your kick. baseball, your throw, hit. football, throw. hockey, shots... paintball is just point and shoot. it's fun, but it won't be a televised sport any time soon. now scenarios...

Easy? You think it's easy?

I challenge you, pal...

Seriously, there are plenty of things to perfect: teamwork & coordination, aim, the guns are fun to tweak (for most), stealth & general movement... It's got all the action of a blockbuster movie about exorbitant amounts of killing, with none of the death. It just takes someone to film it the right way. They don't even need to increase the number of tourneys, just film the ones we already have.

[UTLadiesMan]

Bottom line: Not enough money.

I went to a stars game last night, front row right on the glass. (X-mas present :)) Those seats are $300 each. Nobody will pay that much to watch a paintball tournament. Few people will pay that much to play in a paintball tournament. The only way people would pay that kind of money is if they got to watch their favorite team in their favorite sport, which is in high demand. Even if you set up a 32 team system, and brought the popularity through the roof, you would still need to solve the problem of time. Hockey, football, soccer, and basketball guarantee one full hour of playing, plus extra time in between. Baseball usually plays for several hours even, just no guarantee. Nobody wants to pay money to go see a 15 - 20 minute game. It takes most people longer to get to the arena than that. The closest thing you could get is like the monster truck rally. I've never been, but everytime it comes to town, it sells about 10,000+ tickets, and dirt cheap. It only comes by occasionaly though, because very few people would pay to see it every week, or even every other week (such as football). So you would have to have every team come in and play a full tournament in a different city every weekend. Personally, I might go for like $10-15, or watch it on TV. But I would only watch it on TV once in a while. It would be boring to watch the same teams play a full tournament every weekend.


So really, the three best options would be:

-A full league, each team in a different city, play like once a week, and provide around 3 hours of entertainment with at least one full hour worth of playing. A few people in each city would attend, and they would all pay very little.

-A traveling tournament. More people in each city would attend, they would still pay little, and only one city at a time would get to see it. Kiss your TV coverage goodbye.

-Leave the system how it is, and push the stations to put it on. Even at 2 in the morning, and just have everyone record it. A good way to ask for a foot in the door would be to request a tourny played at the X-games, with coverage for the highlight matches.

If you want good paintball on TV, #3 is your best bet. If you want an actual professional league, be prepared to wait until paintball has a long and dedicated following.

[slickguy55]

i like everything Bullseye said. but it even if it was filmed it would be hard to possision the camera right

[Bullseye]

That's fine. We don't need to draw the live in-person crowds right off the bat. We just need to televise the tournaments we have right now and that'll help build our fan base.

So yes, it's apparently tricky to effectively film a paintball game. All the mpegs I've downloaded tend to leave me lost and confused. However, it can be done. What I've seen of "Push" alludes to it being an exciting, coherent film. The key is to make it easy to follow the continuity of the battle. You've got to know who's shooting at whom. They can't just switch back and forth between two people trading paint without having first shown all the space in between them so you can know their positions relative to each other.

Here's my take on the situation. You would need one camera in a high vantage point, overlooking the field, so that the director can see all the current action. There would have to be one camera on each team's backfield, and at least one in the middle where any man-on-man conflict or bunkering would be happening. One looking down the narrow dimension of the field from each side would be nice, too, for an instant replay following the paint's path to an elimination. So that's... 4 to 6 cameras to make one really good video document of a match. I suppose that's a lot to cover one 15 minute match, but the product of that would be pure gold. Anybody know how many television cameras are at a Football game or other such sporting event? Also, my hypothesis assumes that the only one knowledgeable about the paintball would be the director, directing the cameramen about what to watch. I suppose that if a cameraman was in the know about the sport then it would help alleviate the need for as many cameras. If it were up to me then I'd put main coverage on one, or two if possible, important match(es) and as many single cameras (with knowledgeable cameramen) as I could muster on other matches to fill in a highlight reel. This is just me spitballing.

Now that it's all down, I see why this is harder to televise than any other sporting event. It's because the action is happening to everyone at all times. In all other sports, the action is concentrated on one thing/person at a time: the football, the baseball, the hockey puck, the soccer ball, etc. In Paintball, action can happen simultaneously at all points on the field. Now that we've identified the problem, we can work to overcome it. Aren't we Americans known for rising to face challenges?

[w00twoot]

Not enough money in the world to have paintball being played like that:|. Also, I think it would be very hard to tape it, sometimes when I watch paintball tourneys on video I kind of get lost...Dont know might just be me..:|

[Bullseye]

That's what I was saying when I said that continuity is the problem. Should I use smaller words? Not trying to put you down, just asking. Anyway, when continuity is lost, then the audience is lost. There are two solutions to this: more cameras, or cameramen who know how paintball is played. And enough with this "Not enough money in the world" crap. Does anyone here actually know how much it really costs? I'm not gonna accept that it costs sooooo much money just to film individual matches or tournaments until somebody can tell me for certain. I could do it with an editing bay and handicams, but something broadcast-worthy would require :rolleyes: slightly better resolution than handicams...

[w00twoot]

Insult well taken:eyes:

[foxracer2269]

The type of camera we could use would be one of those XFL cameras on wires that go across and diagnol the field. They could have them at different heights. Plus they'd be so close to the players you could hear them talking a lot better. I think that would be a great idea because it's mobile, it's close, and you can get many good views. if u have anything extra you want to add onto my idea go ahead and be my guest. :D

[HaZrD Boy 00]

the xfl camera idea is sweeeeet