ion or wrath

[unbredraptor]

hey guys im a noob but i am already gettin sick of my e-force gti. i put another thread in the wrath forum. i need some pro advice. is the ion or the wrath better? i saw the ion on sale at a local store for $260. is this a good deal? i did a lot of reserch on the ion and it seems to be a great gun but i need a little more convincing. sorry for the bad spelling:crazy: im not that smart



hey anyone in the richmond virginia area i found the smart parts ion at paintball authority for $260

[Stan the HitMan]

spell check, then search, there are many threads on this, since you are new and humble i will give you my opinion: ion

[mrwizardxvii]

check the other threads, but the Ion looks like it'll be selling for around $299, so $260 seems like a decent price.

[Dr J]

no contest... the Ion is the better performer... Hands down. Plus it has better quality craftsmanship.

[Everlight389]

Ion > Wrath

[ltgir]

Speed: ion 17bps > Wrath 8-10bps
Looks: Ion = Wrath
Company: Smart Parts > Diablo
Upgrades: Ion > Wrath
Weight: Ion > Wrath

IMO get the ion

Wrath Vid (http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=294846)
Ion Vid (http://www.pbvidsupload.com/upload/...Ion_vid_467.wmv)

[crazedmonkey]

^ wrath shoots 20 buddy...but id get the ion.

[ltgir]

if u can pull the trigger that fast. Because i have heard that the trigger pull on the wrath is not *** good as the ion's

[Everlight389]

The wrath has no stock ramping, but with bounce (which is dangerous) you can hit the 20 cap.

[SpydrCmpct2000]

Originally posted by ltgir
if u can pull the trigger that fast. Because i have heard that the trigger pull on the wrath is not *** good as the ion's

That and there is pretty much no room in the trigger guard for walking on the wrath. I held one today at HB. It's looks are so-so, but I just did not like how it felt. I liked the way the Ion felt much better. Just my 2 cents.

[paintballr87]

ION> WRATH

My friend got a wrath and it just didnt work. I dont like the trigger on the wrath atall. I got to check out an Ion today and Im in love <3

[mrwizardxvii]

i retract my last statement of them both being about equal...

i got to play with the Ion yesterday for a couple hours, and it kicks Wrath @$$. easier trigger, noticeably lighter...

[JOEMAMA98]

the ion is terrible just keep your money instead of throwing it away and ramping is just as bad as bounce

[MattisHere]

Senario Dreams has come out with a T-board for the wrath that will alow 36bps, and you can buy a chip that will alow you to ramp. So that makes it much faster the ion even if you can't pull the trigger fast.:P

[ikey]

i still say ion is better cause if the design, probably better eyes, and SP has had more experience in high end guns. second off, the wrath is not that good, there is now way it would ever do 36 bps with any board. i seriuosly doubt the part in a 260 dollar gun made by diablo are that good. (im not dissing diablo but the only thing they have made was the matrix and when they made it it really sucked compared to matrixs today). my guess is that 20 is pushing it for the wrath.

[MattisHere]

How is the ion design better than the wrath's design, the ion is made out of plastic for crying out loud! And the eye's are the same they are both break beam! Where did you get the information about the wrath being mechanically capped at 20bps.

[paintballr87]

Originally posted by MattisHere
How is the ion design better than the wrath's design, the ion is made out of plastic for crying out loud! And the eye's are the same they are both break beam! Where did you get the information about the wrath being mechanically capped at 20bps.

Well I would say its a preatty good design since its small light and efficient, which is good for the price. The eyes are the same yes. the wrath is mechanicaly capped @ 20-22, just like the T1 and the BKO.

[Everlight389]

Its a spring return... you'll only ever get to 20 on it. Ion can shoot about 28 with upgrades. The wrath you'd have to buy a new board, 4-way ram, and a new solenoid before it would be capable of more than 25.

[TeamInsipid]

ok the ion isnt plastic...the shell is composite, made from kevlar, carbon fiber and polymer. its not plastic. and the REST of the gun is aluminum...so..yeah

[auto12]

so many people that dont know what they are talking about..

The Ion cant not shoot 28bps the board is caped at 17 and there are no other boards made for it yet, which if any of you knew anything you wouldnt be fighting over speed because you would know that the reason its caped is because tourneys are going to make a rule caping bps.

The ion IS a form of plastic, however this does not make it cheap, its extremely strong and wont dent of scratch like a normal body will, none of the internals are plastic.

As for comparing it to the wrath.. there is no comparison, the ion is simply better in every aspect of a paintball gun, but dont take my word for it - go shoot the damn thing. Any one who has shoot an ion knows what all the "hype" is about, and as for the ones who havent.. well there the e-thugs who come into pb forums and say its cheap plastic.

[tiny rabid bird]

Originally posted by auto12
so many people that dont know what they are talking about..
...
The ion IS a form of plastic, however this does not make it cheap, its extremely strong and wont dent of scratch like a normal body will, none of the internals are plastic.


the shell is plastic. The whole gun isn't. just like teaminsipid said, the rest is aluminum.

[auto12]

right, thats what i ment to say, as i said in my first post, none of the internal parts are plastic. only the outer shell, which is still very strong, its made out of the same stuff that glocks are.

[Stan the HitMan]

Originally posted by tiny rabid bird


the shell is plastic. The whole gun isn't. just like teaminsipid said, the rest is aluminum.

The shell is polymer stop saying plastic :bullwhip: :censored:

[JOEMAMA98]

THE SHELL IS PLASTIC polymer is just a word to make it sound better
PLASTIC=yes
Strong=yes

[Stan the HitMan]

FOOL it is a different compound than "plastic"
did you ever take chemistry?

[speedy2k4]

plastic is a very generic term, polymer is slightly more specific, and no self respecting company is going to say their gun has any plastic components. like delrin bolts? that is also a type of plastic. is it still awesome? yes.

and as for 17 bps. if you can't hit someone with that, then just give up. and i don't care how fast they are running. i have a dm4 and only shoot about 14bps. sure, i can shoot 20. but the only time i ever do that is to scare little chillins at the chrono.

based on what i know, they are both going to perform about the same, but the ion is more user friendly and easier to deal with so get that.

[TeamInsipid]

i dont understand why people make such bad hype about the shell being composite...you dont hear people call the glock a cheap gun. last i checked the glock was pretty well respected...

and yes, polymer is plastic in a sense, but the shell also has other good durable things in it like carbon fiber, and kevlar, and rubber...so plastic cant really be used. just too generic. when i think of plastic i think of tupperware. and dont hate because the whole shell design is a good idea.

[pyromonkey]

Hmmm... this is very interesting. On the SP forums every one says that the ion is much better than the wrath, but yet on the Diablo forums everyone says the wrath is better. What a supprise. To get better results read the reviews or post this in the electro marker forum, so there will be equal aspects on the gun.

But just a little honest opinion, i went to my pb shop and held a ion and liked it very much. Looks so much different than the online pics. I have yet to see the wrath in person though...

[TeamInsipid]

i played against a wrath last weekend and the guy didnt like his near as much as my ion. he couldnt shoot as fast as me on the field either. dont know if it was the crappy trigger or what..

[ttox]

diablo guns break down lots

[iconz14whisper]

Originally posted by MattisHere
How is the ion design better than the wrath's design, the ion is made out of plastic for crying out loud! And the eye's are the same they are both break beam! Where did you get the information about the wrath being mechanically capped at 20bps.

YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!! the ion is not made out of plastic!!!!!!!!!!
WHY THE **** WOULD SMARTPARTS MAKE A PLASTIC GUN!!!!

[talon118]

Smart Parts has done something very new. They've introduced a marker that has modular capabilities and that can be accessorized like you would a cell phone. The ION is a metal marker encased in a customizable polymer exoskeleton. The first thought that came to my mind when I saw it was "this is like space marine armor for your marker." Very different, and very cool.

I have to stress this point - the ION is NOT a plastic marker! It is a rugged aluminum marker like the Shocker or Nerve, but with a tough polymer outer shell that will bring marker customization to a whole new level. Currently there are four colors being released - black, red, blue, and yellow.


You will be able to purchase the different shells and change the color of your marker on the fly. The switch is done easily with the removal of a couple of screws and takes less than five minutes to do.

Are you someone who tries to keep his marker in perfect condition? With the ION you no longer have to worry about it. Beat the crap out of your body and then buy a new shell. Who cares if it gets scratched? You can replace the shell so easily and they won't be expensive.

Now, what about performance? This is where the ION really shines - a magno-trigger that delivers 17 BPS with a break-beam anti-chop eye! Smart Parts introduces their first break-beam eye with this marker and get this - the eyes are housed on a board that slides into the body. Since the ION uses a break-beam eye, you no longer have to worry about the color paint you shoot! Switch modes from semi, rebound, to 3 shot burst and full auto (3 shot and full are capped at 10 BPS).


The ION uses a new solenoid designed by Smart Parts that allows increased air flow and it is extremely hard to clog with debris. I'm kicking myself for not taking pictures of the internals but the layout and design are really well engineered. The new solenoid works like a 3-way and when you look at it and the hosing that runs to it, you will see the similarity. The internals are simple and the marker has fewer orings than a Shocker. Like the Shocker, it comes with a hard-anodized aluminum bolt.


I shot four or five IONS all set up differently with different loaders. You can run the ION on CO2 as long as you have an anti-siphon. While it shot fine with CO2, it definitely shot better with compressed - which is to be expected.

Smart Parts has switched from anodization to powder coating for this marker. The stock barrel shoots well and looks tough. You'll know what I mean when you see it. The ION barrel takes Impulse threads.

The inline reg is completely new and is incredibly simple in its design, with only three or four internal parts. It also comes incased in a changeable rubber cover. The ION operates at a low 160 -180 psi and is very efficient on air. You can expect 1000-1400 shots on a 68 4500. It runs on a 9v battery.

The removeable feed neck comes with an oring seal and uses the same threads as the Impulse.

The ION feels very much like a Shocker, only less sleek. It is still incredibly small and light, and it shot very accurately when I was shooting ropes of paint downrange.

I cant believe these noobs that come into forums and type shyt about stuff they dunt even knoe anythin bout it man get a lyfeee
:rolleyes: :eek:

[speedy2k4]

so you are the guy that made the ion right? :laugh:

[Stan the HitMan]

no, he is the guy who quoted badlands :dodgy:

[talon118]

yea i did, im not gonn waste my time typin all this **** up
:rolleyes:

[Stan the HitMan]

source your info, you don't have to but it is better policy so this doesn't happen

[talon118]

yo stan u had some nice pics off ur webcam of the ion, i was wonderin tho, ive been readin up on the ion and i havnt found anythin on how to change the settings like semi-auto-rebound...and what is rebound ??:confused:

[lucwil]

Rebound is basically a ramping mode. Smart Parts debuted it on the Nerve. It allows you to set an activation point; 7, 9, 10 or 11 bps i think. when you reach that rate of fire mechanically, the board adds shots. essentialy, at the easiest setting (7 bps), you can be walking at 7 bps and shooting at around 20 bps. it's really fun to play with, kinda dangerous though.

[talon118]

Sounds Awesome, But would it be allowed at a semi only field?
in other words would it be considered as semi?

[f2f4]

Originally posted by auto12
so many people that dont know what they are talking about..

The Ion cant not shoot 28bps the board is caped at 17 and there are no other boards made for it yet, I'm guessing you've NEVER heard of the Predator, right? Because that's allready been released for some time for the Ion. :P

Ion > Wrath, from someone who has experience with both.

Electro-pneumatic blow-foward (pretty much the EXACT SAME THING AS A FREESTYLE) versus spring-returned-ram. C'mon, what do you THINK is better?

[lucwil]

Rebound is considered the same as any other ramping mode, if they know you have it, they'll make you turn it off. it's a bit harder to detect because of the activation point but any knowledgable ref would know what to look for. it's pretty obvious that you are ramping when you cap it out and your fingers are barely moving. on a gun that is capped at 17, it isn't a huge deal but most places won't let you use it.

[Stan the HitMan]

Originally posted by talon118
yo stan u had some nice pics off ur webcam of the ion, i was wonderin tho, ive been readin up on the ion and i havnt found anythin on how to change the settings like semi-auto-rebound...and what is rebound ??:confused:

where the battery connects to the circuit board there is a gray button, when you push it depending on what country your board was made for it will turn red or green, also when you toggle through the modes the green/red and yellow lights will turn on an blink. the nature of which they blink can be found in the instruction booklet (eg: 3x yellow, solid yellow, solid red, 3x red, ect)
with this you adjust the dwell, rof, fire mode and other features.

[schild]

reading this makes me want to hurl!!!!!!!!!!!!

the ion body has ""plastic'' shell or what ever you want to call it
its strong and fade proof and you can get a new one so who gives a crap if its strong.


yes the wrath is capped around 20bps its spring retourned bolt makes it do this.However it does not have a crappy rigger pull and cn be a mouse click.some idiot said he ''hear''that it was crap therefor it was crap and you could only get 9-10 bps off it.well my ***oty friend let me tell you l have shot the wrath and it is faster than that!!!!!!!!!!!l l read on a ion review that said in simi with that trigger tthat you can only reach 10bpsdo l get on here and say THE ION CAN ONLY GET 10BPS L HEARD IT!!!!Hell no!!!!!! l have not even shot the ion but l would still take it over the wrath because it has a air returned bolt and they came out with the prediter bourd for 210$that can go 25bps and if yuor fingers are that fast you can go there because there i no cap (at least a relistic cap)on the air returned bolt.



als would you people shutup about the t bourd for the wrath because a spring returned bolt will not go 36bps so it is pointless.the wrath is a good gun but the ion is better

[talon118]

WHO EVER POSTED THIS IN THE ION THREAD IS PRETTY STUPID, JUST ABOUT EVERYONE IS GOING TO SAY THE ION IS BETTER BECAUSE THIS IS THE ION THREAD :D ;) :laugh:

[Everlight389]

Originally posted by talon118
WHO EVER POSTED THIS IN THE ION THREAD IS PRETTY STUPID, JUST ABOUT EVERYONE IS GOING TO SAY THE ION IS BETTER BECAUSE THIS IS THE ION THREAD :D ;) :laugh:

Yes, it is the Ion forums, and yes, the Diablo Wrath internals are terrible, and yes it is a spring return. There are a few people in here that would suggest an Ion over anything, but I'm not one of them. Ion is better than the Wrath except in the fact that the Wrath is uncapped.

[milkydude8]

Ion for 260 bucks? What are you waiting for? :D

[SpydrCmpct2000]

Originally posted by Everlight389


Yes, it is the Ion forums, and yes, the Diablo Wrath internals are terrible, and yes it is a spring return. There are a few people in here that would suggest an Ion over anything, but I'm not one of them. Ion is better than the Wrath except in the fact that the Wrath is uncapped.

You mean the board is uncapped. The mechanical cap is probably somewhere around 20 bps. That's just my guess because it seems like the design is pretty close to that of the BKO. I held a Wrath. It felt a little more solid than my spyder. The Ion felt a lot better. It may just be feel, but I believe that the Ion is much better for the price you pay.

[schild]

Originally posted by milkydude8
Ion for 260 bucks? What are you waiting for? :D
my thoughts exactly:D

[Everlight389]

Originally posted by SpydrCmpct2000


You mean the board is uncapped. The mechanical cap is probably somewhere around 20 bps. That's just my guess because it seems like the design is pretty close to that of the BKO. I held a Wrath. It felt a little more solid than my spyder. The Ion felt a lot better. It may just be feel, but I believe that the Ion is much better for the price you pay.

Uncapped board, capped internals, you are correct.