I got some questions on the EM1....

[FAKE NAVY SEAL]

Hey guys i am in a dilemna here. I am making a descision on which gun to buy for my next gun. Right now i have a bob long millenium. So far it was between the impulse and the autococker. Than somone told me the em1 was somthing i could look into. Could somone give me the low down on this gun? and possibly some comparisons? And if u feel exspecially nice, coould somone tell me why the bushy only got an 8.5 review on this site, like what its problems are?

Your faithful frogman...

[Richy_C]

the em1 can't take a DF, forget it, it's crap, if you have nitro get a bushy, if not get the impulse

[elTwitcho]

Well, with some creativity, turns out they can take a DF, auctionjunkie knows how to do it, you just gotta have some adapters and other sorts of pieces. Myself I think it's stupid as hell not to use the standard hole pattern for Drop forwards, but Kingman decided they'd do it. Well, it's a single trigger, and pretty darn stiff, which I didnt especially like. Method of operation involves the hammer being attached to the back of the gun, when you fire, a solenoid opens up and releases gas to push the hammer forward, after the open time for the solenoid is over (dwell time), it shuts off, allowing the bolt to pull the hammer back into place and recock the gun. As for what the hammer and bolt do, it's the same standard stacked tube design as alot of other guns. It feels pretty bad without a DF, but with one, it would probably help balance the gun a whole lot. Quick disassembly as alot of guns have these days is also a nice touch. The battery is a standard 9volt battery housed in a compartment that is easy to get at, and is located on the side of the body. Unfortuntaly, the battery is very hard to get out. My opinions are that it's a pretty nice gun, with a ROF to match any of the other electros out there, but other electros on the market have far better trigger pulls and options for DFs, and for that reason I'd look elsewhere

[Richy_C]

bushy, impulse or an intimmy are your best bets

[FAKE NAVY SEAL]

Hey thanks guys. Those were most of the reasons i decided i would get the impulse in the first place, but i needed some reinforcements by others to feel confident with my descision.

thanks guys

[spydyman9]

Yes get an Impulse it is fast shooting it runs off of co2 and it is very small and lieght Em1 are no good looks like kingmen took a bad turn

[spyderman007]

i would stick with either the autococker or the impulse. maybe a bushmaster or defiant

[spyderman007]

hey what does EM1 stand for anyways? electronic marker 1?

[paintballer56]

Impulse is the best out of the box tourney ready gun

[JesterDude15]

I shot an EM1 Sunday, I played a game with it.

Of all the electros I have shot it HAS to be the LEAST accurate of all of them!!!!

Plus it is long and the reg on it is not worth beans!!!

Look into a Super Nova. Those shoot alot faster than an Angel and are +/- 1 Each time I fired it. GREAT GUNS FOR 150!!!! A little too Not-Upgradeable for me. I dare you to get an aftermarket park for that thing!

Shoots cool stock though!

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by paintballer56
Impulse is the best out of the box tourney ready gun

Erm, they're good, but best out of the box. Uhh, no.

[C4pyro]

Kay I will just let it ne know that I own a Tweaked out shocker and love it to pieces , but it all depends on the price range that you are looking for and the upkeep and reliability and accuracy that you want. If your thinking of either an EM1 or and Impulse, go for the Impulse, they are light, and everyone has accessories for them and the company that makes it has proven they make quality electro equipment. I am not saying that Kinman has not proven themselves to have decent guns, but this is their first electronic marker. When Smartparts came out with the first shocker,,,and yes I know it was in colaboration with another company,,,I just can't remember their name at the moment...their was tonnes of problems. But after like five years shockers kick butt. The impulse is not exactly the same as the shocker , but is a better gun then the cheaper electronic guns.

[spray_n_pray]

Get whatever you want. Go to a field and test the markers out. Then get the one you feel most comfortable with. Much of what everyone is saying is true, but i've heard horror stories about the bushy, impulse, shocker, Em1, and timmys. True EM1's don't have many upgrades yet, but come on its spyder for God's sake. Give it a few months and there will be tons of em. I just found a dropforward for mine and i love it. In any case its all a matter of if its comfortable to you. You are going to be the one shooting it. Not any of these guys.

[ds613]

Well, he did ask what our opinions were. I say get an Impulse or Cocker. I went with the Impulse for the r.o.f.

[gouldpball]

just look at it, its total crap:

http://www.pbreview.com/fpics/gouldpball050201163238em1.jpg

plus the fact they have neither an LCD or a LED screen so that sux, and the fact its kingmans first attempt to an electric gun so it must suck, and again the fact you cant put a normal drop forward with out the conversion like this one:

http://www.pbreview.com/fpics/gouldpball050201163028offset.jpg

and ther single trigg, i hate single trigg.

[spray_n_pray]

kingman used a standard bottomline pattern on the EM1 so get your facts straight. You dont need a conversion block to get a dropforward. there is a drop at bbtpaintball.com that is made specifically for the EM1. How does an LCD display enhance performance on any gun? You just pay a lot more for something you don't need. 2000 bushy's dont have one, impulses dont have one, or the shocker. Also unless you get an impulse turbo all you have is a semi that is an electro. Its all personal preference. Anyway since we're giving our opinions i'd get a sleeper cocker from pro team products. They look sharp for a stock cocker and are anodized. Plus you get the accuracy of a cocker.

[Omega6_Virus]

if you look at the em1 in a magazine u can see it looks like those old toys made out of thin metal that breaks easy. It looks cast and like crap too. If you have a lil bro or sis go look at his toys.

[minimag-punk]

You know, all of you here are HATERS, i bet you dont even own an EM1 and be giving BS comment about how it looks and ****t. first start, the EM1 has very VERY sturdy loooks and feel, IT's BUILT solid, then the battery compartment is SOOOOOOOO easy to take the battery out, just move the butt FIRST and pull it out it's much easier, but those that only seen and played with the gun DO NOT know this and give it a bad name. YES, the gun kinda feel unbalanced, but i GUARANTEE that you will get used to how it feel in less than 2 days. You guys mention that it was not accurate, COMMON people, first, it's an electro it's not meant to be accurate, second, the stock barrel comes with it SUCKS big time, i replaced mine with a 16 ALL AMERICAN barrel, and it shoot farther and more accurate than a cocker, it's like an electro-cocker. Then i see that all of you praising the IMPULSE, i guess most people here are IMPULSE owner, hey i dont argue if you praise your own product, but it's just wrong. yes, impulse is a good gun, not great, and not to be compared with it's cousin SHOCKER, the true ultimate electro. The impulse is a gas hog and it consume gas like no other, i can get 450 shots out of my tiny 48ci 3000 tank, oppose to the IMPULSE, you can get about 200 SHOTS with this same tank. it SUCKS if you ask me. i want my gun to last long in battle and not carry big tanks. then talk about Ball breakage, now it's an electro, all electro breaks ball, but if you tune the EM1 at 12bps or less with a good barrel, the gun would break a ball every 1000 shot. DANG!!!. i dont know about impulse though.

[minimag-punk]

oh, you guys says the em1 is unbalanced, just think it as a AK47 with a heavy stock.

[elTwitcho]

I tried it, and I stand by what I said, and the trigger is terrible. I would have agreed with you in part if not for a few things you said like...

"guys mention that it was not accurate, COMMON people, first, it's an electro it's not meant to be accurate"

A properly set up electro will be as accurate as any other gun, be it autococker, blazer, sniper 2, phantom or whatever other gun people have the misconception are the most accurate.

"i guess most people here are IMPULSE owner"

Not me, and the impulse isnt one of my favortes either, but It's a good gun and it's got alot of good qualities to it as well

"not to be compared with it's cousin SHOCKER, the true ultimate electro"

True ultimate electro?

"all electro breaks ball, but if you tune the EM1 at 12bps or less with a good barrel"

I've never chopped a single paintball. In maybe 10 cases I've broken maybe 2 balls. If you tune the impulse at 12bps with a good barrel it's not gonna break any more balls than your Em1 will. It is btw, a lower pressure gun than the EM1, which means it's going to be alot gentler on paint and give you fewer barrel breaks. I'm not trying to flame you, and if you like your gun, cool why not? The springback design is unique, and the battery door cover on the side was also a good idea. But the fact is that it doesnt come with a DF, which most people are going to hate not having, and most people are not going to like a stiff single trigger either.

[minimag-punk]

oh, on the shocker part, "true ultimate electro" i meant below 1,000 dollar that inlcuded with everything. and on the break ball part, hey, i used BRASS EAGLE cheap ball and breaks about a ball or two every thousand. ok ok, you said that you didnt like IMPULSE and do not own a EM1, then tell us OVERALL performances of the two not the so importan DF. IMPULSEvsEM1...., oh this is only for elwitcho only.

[elTwitcho]

Personally, I think it comes down to 2 things

Trigger- The impulses now ship with very nice trigger's, the old "god awful terrible crap stink mile long pull with 3 feet of side to side play" triggers have been gone for some time. The Em1 comes with a single trigger, which alot of people arent going to like. It was also stiffer than i usually like, though that can be fixxed by clipping some springs

Consistency- This is the part of your gun that is going to affect accuracy. The more consistent your FPS is, the better your accuracy is going to be. The impulse comes with a max flow which is one of the better Low Pressure regulators. The Kingman reg isnt entirely too bad, but I find doesnt keep up with very fast shooting for more than a couple of shots.

The EM1 also gives more blowback up the feed tube than I like, and as such it can cause you to chop on a hopper that isnt full. I'm not saying you wont be able to enjoy using this gun. I'm not saying it's terrible. And I'm not saying that with some custom work it cant be a great gun. But stock out of the box, comparing the two of them, I'd go with the impulse. Just my thoughts

[minimag-punk]

ok, how much is the impulse right now? the lowest you can find at an available shop?? i got the EM1 for less than 400 bucks. it's like little less than a normal cocker, mag. but performs as good. cost effective we're talking now.

[minimag-punk]

oh, i meant worth MORE not worth LESS above, i messed up.

[gouldpball]

boo hooo, excuse me for saying what i think, i think alot of things about guns, im not saying there is a perfect gun, im was including what i think of that gun, every body prefers what they like over what ne one else says, i wouldnt listen to ne one on ne thing, i like to try things before i open my wallet for something.

[elTwitcho]

Cost effective... yeah I suppose you'd be right in saying the EM1 is cheaper. I've never seen an impulse for under 400, you just gotta decide what your priorities are. besides, some people like single triggers anyhow, I just said that I dont, and alot of other people dont either

[gouldpball]

yea i agree, you feel more in control with the double trigger. but its a matter of prefrence.

[spray_n_pray]

I guess this is mostly for minimag punk. Dude they DO MAKE A DROPFORWARD for the EM1. I put it on mine and it rocks. And rock on dog. Im not gonna jump on the impulse bandwagon either. A friend of mine got one and about a week later the reg screwed up. So what did he get????? Hmmmmmm an EM1 and he loves it. A team at my local field all had bushy's except one guy and what did they do. That's right they all bought EM1's and they love em too. Dare to be different man and when one of these guys gets shot with an EM1 I will be laughing my *** off. Hmmmm maybe they should give it a chance especially the Bigfoot dude that wants a timmy. Nothin against BOB LONG cause that's my last name too. Think we're related??????

[minimag-punk]

i dont know what's the different between double trigger and single, they are mostly the same. i love the single trigger, it's feel very normal to me, but in the opposite, the double trigger was a new weird experience, i think double trigger is bulky and some time, dangerous, since the trigger can be triggered easily dued to its longer, bigger size. i do not know understand what you mean by 'control' on the trigger, is your trigger that HARD to pull, that you need more than two fingers to pull? i meant i merely, MEARLY, touch my single trigger and POW POW POW POW POW<<< and i love it this way. if you dont call that CONTROL, i dont know what else...

[minimag-punk]

i just know this, EM1 definitely beat BUSHY, rainmaker, and probably or IS better than IMPULSE since both guns have cons and pros, go to the review and see the finalized score for IMPULSE. Spray and pray, WE'RE ROCK! ! ! if there to be a competition between EM1 and the impulses, who you think would win?? players equally skilled.---analyzed, Long game-- EM1 has more advantage due to long life on gas, 450 shots on a 48ci 3000, impulse, less than 200 shots. accuracy. EM1 with a 16'' all american, is not more but definitely not less than accuracy of an impulse, I GUARRANTEED IT. Consistency---EM1-able to fire consistent at 12bps with out shot down or breakages, spread about 3-4 inch with a good barrel, dont go above this rate though it gets messy, Impulse----no data, never tried once but seen one. Rate of Fire---EM1---beat the impulse out of the water---20BALL PER SEC, wayyy faster than Angle,E-MAG,bushy,rainmaker,impulse,shocker,intimmy, dont know for sure--13bps or other known hightech gun, i heard a few at 23bps but never seen one. Not so important but not a bad point to list. looks better than IMPULSE hahahha, just an opinion though.

[minimag-punk]

GO TO THE REVIEW, AND SEE OTHERS VIEW, DONT TAKE MINE LITERALLY. EM1 HAS A 9.0 RATE, AND A FEW 10 POINTS GIVER WERE REMOVED DUED TO FOUL LANGUAGE WHICH LOWERS DOWN THE AVERAGE. IMPULSE RATES ALSO A 9.0, I NOW PROCLAIM A TIE BETWEEN TWO GUNS.

[gouldpball]

i guess it all goes down to what ever you have tried and what ever you prefer, i haven't shot the em1 but i held it, i did shoot the timmy and i fell in love with it, the em1 probably is a good gun once it has been shot but i wouldnt know, i wasnt bashing how it shot, i only said somehting about the trigger, plus i dont like closed bolt like the em1 an angels, i prefer the open bolt like the timmy has, where it comes out with ease. so do what you like, yes dare to be different, i totaly agree, and im sorry if i put your panties in a twist! :)

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by minimag-punk
i just know this, EM1 definitely beat BUSHY, rainmaker, and probably or IS better than IMPULSE since both guns have cons and pros, go to the review and see the finalized score for IMPULSE. Spray and pray, WE'RE ROCK! ! ! if there to be a competition between EM1 and the impulses, who you think would win?? players equally skilled.---analyzed, Long game-- EM1 has more advantage due to long life on gas, 450 shots on a 48ci 3000, impulse, less than 200 shots. accuracy. EM1 with a 16'' all american, is not more but definitely not less than accuracy of an impulse, I GUARRANTEED IT. Consistency---EM1-able to fire consistent at 12bps with out shot down or breakages, spread about 3-4 inch with a good barrel, dont go above this rate though it gets messy, Impulse----no data, never tried once but seen one. Rate of Fire---EM1---beat the impulse out of the water---20BALL PER SEC, wayyy faster than Angle,E-MAG,bushy,rainmaker,impulse,shocker,intimmy, dont know for sure--13bps or other known hightech gun, i heard a few at 23bps but never seen one. Not so important but not a bad point to list. looks better than IMPULSE hahahha, just an opinion though.


Ok, now you're just being completely unrealistic. First off, to claim the Kingman bottomline mounted regulator is better than a max flow is one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long long time. The max flow is one of the best and moust sought after regulators on the market, and I dont see too many people in a big hurry to stick a Kingman reg on their guns. It's just common knowledge that the maxflow is a better regulator, and to think otherwise is delusional.

Balls per second. Well lets see, the EM1 has the built in capability to cycle at 20 balls per second, but ask yourself this; "Will it fire at 20 balls per second?". Hell no it wont, you yourself even said to limit it to twelve. Would that not make it a slower gun than the timmy which fires at 14 and doesnt need limiting? Matrix has no need to limit BPS either after rock mod. And well I'll be darned but an intellifeed angel will shoot faster than 12 bps too. But back to the impulse vs EM1, it's like this. The EM1 sends a good deal of blowback up the feed tube. ENough that I've seen it spit a ball back into an empty hopper. You think this is going to help you feed faster, or impair the rate you feed balls? A gun with that much blowback will chop the occasional ball, more so than a gun without blowback. Just ask anyone with an electronic Spyder upgrade. Lastly, comes ball breakage. The Impulse IS a lower pressure gun than the impulse. Will that make it more accurate? No. But it will lower the amount of balls that break in you barrel, and it will allow you to shoot softer paint, which breaks on your target not your barrel. Want an objective review.

http://www.paintballstar.com/kingmanem1.html

Go take a look for yourself, every thing I've said from my experience was confirmed through their tests. I woulda been fine letting this one rest until some rather outlandish claims were made, but that's how it goes sometimes...

[spray_n_pray]

The truth here is that we all like our markers for different reasons. Some are better in some areas while others are better in other areas. Its all a matter of preference cause we all know that its not the marker but the person with his/her finger on the trigger. Im not saying that one gun is better than the other because i saw a team with ANGEL FLY's get stomped by a team with stock PHANTOMS in a tournament that I recently went to. We all have our markers and we are happy with them. Let's just leave it at that. Are we cool???

[elTwitcho]

I never wasnt cool with the idea of the EM1 being a decent marker. I just dont like outrageous claims

[spray_n_pray]

Im not making outrageous coments about any marker. I think that the maxflow would outperform the kingman reg too. But by looking at something you cannot conclude that it is a piece of crap either like some in this forum are. Im not here to flame any gun or any person. Im sorry if any of my comments made it sound like I did. All im trying to get across here is to try the marker before you come to the conclusion that it is worthless. I happen to like the EM1 just as anyone else may like their impulse or shocker. True it is Kingman's first attempt at an electro but that doesn't mean it is going to be crap. Kingman didn't become what they are by producing crapy markers.

[davidb]

Not making outrageous claims? How about the one about the EM1 getting 450 shots out of a 48ci, and the Impulse 200? That is just dumb. Both of those numbers are horrid, and while I'm not sure about the efficiency of the EM1, I know for a fact that the Impulse is pretty efficient. I think Twitcho has said before that he HAS tried the marker, for example, he talks about not liking the trigger pull (not "I heard it sucked") and how he had the ball blow back into the hopper. Anyway, about the price thing, I think that a $30 or so difference is worth it for a Max Flow, not to mention a double trigger and the ability to run flawlessly on CO2. About the stock Kingman reg as compared to the Max Flow, I have a Kingman reg on my Shutter (duh) and let me tell you that thing doesn't regulate worth crap. It gets probably around +/- 10-15 at the chrono, whereas the Max Flow gets +/- 1 or 2. Don't take this wrong, I'm not saying they're crap, but I would like to hear one thing about the EM1 that is better than the Impulse where one of us can't prove you wrong.

[spray_n_pray]

Did I say anything about an EM1 getting 400-500 shots while an Impulse only gets 200 in ANY of my posts. NO I DID NOT. Check em if you like.

[davidb]

Easy man... Sorry, should have specified, I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to minimag punk. Sorry about that, I guess it did seem I was talking to you.

[davidb]

Oh crap... Oops, I just read through all the posts again, I had thought that the one starting out "I'm not making any..." was by Minimag punk. Sorry about that everybody. <slaps self on forehead>

[spray_n_pray]

Just don't let it happen again ;)

[minimag-punk]

i was wondering what is the rate of fire for the impulse to fire with out any shoot down..

[davidb]

It has a Max Flo dude, you ain't a-gonna get shoot down ;).

[elTwitcho]

Yeah seriously. I'm sure the EM1 has alot of good points, but to claim the Kingman reg is better than a maxFlow could get you dragged away by the men in White coats and put into a nice padded room

[spray_n_pray]

I don't know about you folks, but im done arguing about this thing. fact the kingman reg sucks arse. It would be better if it had a maxflow......but it doesn't. This is what I want to know. Has anyone seen any pics of the Poranha Pro E or heard anything new about it. It's been a while since I last heard anything about it and I was just wonderin. With the new piranha looks I bet it will look cool, but we'll just have to wait and see.

[JesterDude15]

YES, the gun kinda feels unbalanced:
All Spyders do...

You guys mention that it was not accurate
It is as accurate as a Spyder 2K, its just the LEAST acurate of all Electronic guns.

COMMON people, first, it's an electro it's not meant to be accurate:
I dont think there is a gun on the planet that is not MEANT to be accurate

The stock barrel comes with it SUCKS big time:
The one on the Impulse is pretty good

i replaced mine with a 16 ALL AMERICAN barrel, and it shoot farther and more accurate than a cocker:
In the words of nemessis....
Yes the gnomes and pixy dust make it shhot farther.

In other words all guns shoot the same distance if set at the same velocity.

it's like an electro-cocker:
Performance wise.....No
Operation wise.....Not even close

The impulse is a gas hog and it consume gas like no other:
Do more research

then talk about Ball breakage, now it's an electro, all electro breaks ball:
wrong once again

i dont know about impulse though:
you say this AFTER you trash it???


This guy is wierd!

[minimag-punk]

jester-dude....man you spoke of the EM1 EXACTLY how i wrote above, go look, hahaha. "auto-cocker" - "auto not meant to be accurate", ect... i thought somebody was making fun of me.

[minimag-punk]

wait a minute, you ARE making fun of my comments.....

[minimag-punk]

man, you are a impulse owner, asking comments about the two paintgun is like asking "is your girlfriend pretty or ugly??". ofcourse we all know we have our own opinion on our guns and sometime "exaggerated" opinions too.. you guys agree with me??

[JesterDude15]

Not making fun, just contradicting....>-)

[minimag-punk]

what's the speed you put on your impulse???

[minimag-punk]

i set the EM1 on 12v per sec and it breaks a ball in about 500 balls, not bad, but ok. if i set it 10bps or lower, none after a case or two.

[minimag-punk]

wat the speed on the impulse that would not break ball after 500 balls to 1000 balls. dont exaggerate to something like 18bps.

[minimag-punk]

i just bought the em1, it was a replacement of the minimag, and i LOVED it. you guys keep giving it bad comments like this it going to pursuade me buying another gun, maybe a SHOCKER or TIMMY or angel.

[JesterDude15]

I dont think you can set the speed on an impule...???


But I can 7-8 BPS w/o trying and 13-14 when i am, you need a 12 volt Revvy...key word NEED! So I havent broken a ball in about 1000 shots (I have only shot it 1000 times).

[minimag-punk]

only 7-8 bps???? HA, and i thought impulse was a bada** it's not so hot after all, my em1 is set at 12 bps all the time breaks a ball after every 500 balls, that's like none in a day since i shoots less than 500 balls perday. one more question, is the impulse ELCTRO?? wht you mean by 'if you try you can get it faster'

[minimag-punk]

and i thought every one saying was true, the em1 broke alot of ball, i set the dang thing up to 19 ball per sec, that's like suicde speed and because my loader was too dang slow too.

[JesterDude15]

You didnt read the whole think Jack a$$!

I said 6-7 BPS w/o trying and 12-14 when I am.

[minimag-punk]

6-7 balls a sec?? man that's slow, i'd rather get a automag with a good trigger or get a lcd grip and cost about the same with the impulse and performs much better.

[JesterDude15]

Are you illiterate?

[minimag-punk]

no, are you a** hole??? if you can only fire at a rate of 6-7 bps with out trying, i can also fire the em1 at 12bps without trying and it's accurate as hell. and what the hell you mean by TRY??? so you mean that your impulse is a semi or something?? i bet you just some little punk a** kid with alot of money for paintball, i'd make you my bich on the field man.

[JesterDude15]

My Impulse is Semi.........

I am 13 and get approx 40 bucks a week for chores, laundry, pool skimming and maintanence and yard work.

Simple testing....

http://www.paintballstar.com

they have reviews for the EM1 and impulse.

Impulses are less problematic. Over time (all) spyder develop small cuts in the o-rings, Impulses dont do this, I never said your gun sucks, Im just saying that stock, impulses are less problematic, more accurate, and have things that would cost you a total of (Max Flow - $160 + Progressive barrel - $50 = $210) $210 (extra) on a EM1.
Plus you cant use C02 on a EM1 with that POS (no offense but it is) Kingman regulator, so a Nitro system is needed($90 at the least).

So stop dissin' me! Your just pissed beause your debating skills need work. Damnit!!!! can I have a civilized conversation around here with n e one except, DS, Creek, Nemessis, The flash, and ElTwitcho????

[davidb]

Bravo! I agree with everything you said (except my name should be on that list :D)! Minimag Punk, do us all a favor, I know you're trying to become a novice, but please, please, put make one or two longer posts instead of fifty one-liners okay? To answer your earlier question, no, nobody agrees with you, and the reason Jesterdude says he shoots 6-7-8 bps is because he has not mastered the art of exaggeration as you have, and because he isn't a punk who always plays on full-auto. The EM1 is NOT as good performance-wise as the Impulse. There, I said it. We all wanted to say it, I said it. I'm not saying it's not better for you, I mean, if you really like the EM1 better then it is better for you, but it just doesn't match up to the Impulse as far as performance goes. The Impulse has a vastly superior reg (to understate it). Both can outshoot a 12v. The Impulse runs at about the same pressure as the Shocker, so you can give up on the ball breakage thing. The Impulse comes with a double trigger, which everybody except you and 5 other guys prefers. It can run on CO2 as well as other guns can run on Nitro, so in a bass-ackwards way it costs LESS. And one thing you need to learn before you argue on here: No one gun is just inherently more accurate than another gun. Regulators affect accuracy, barrels affect accuracy, paint affects accuracy. Others are going to disagree with me on this, but it's true. And anyway, there isn't even a MYTH to support your claim that the EM1 is really accurate! It's not low pressure, it's not closed bolt... Idunno where you come up with this stuff. Also, how do you play a whole day shooting full auto at 12 bps and only shoot 500 balls? I'm not saying it's not possible, just that I and everybody else I know go through more than that in a day with our sub-$250 guns...

[JesterDude15]

Well said David, I dont agreee with you on many things but this I do agree with you on!

When I had my (coughcoughPOScoughcough) I was going throguh about 1000 a day w/o full auto. You are either a Sniper who is ignorant (for having it on full auto) or a front player who........doesnt shoot.

[ds613]

The rate of fire on an Impulse is adjustable. There is a little pot or screw or whatever on the board.

Also, Impulses get plenty of gas efficiency with the right dwell setting. (1000+ shots from a 20 oz. co2 tank)

[Edited by ds613 on 05-14-2001 at 11:24 PM]

[ds613]

Stop arguing about whose gun is better. If you want to give your opinion then do it, but don't try to make everyone else to agree with you. Also, 10+ b.p.s. is very hard to do in semi mode. If you don't believe me, open up the little clock on your computer and watch some seconds go by. But of course with full-auto the board does everything for you.

[Richy_C]

not going to argue, impulse just plain good ;)

[KoRnMaN]

I meen come on the first angel was better tan this, even though there was alot of shortages and wire failers.