New A5/RT is chopping

[ghilliesnipe]

I posted this on A5og and the only thing anyone can tell me is my ratchet is busted. I have only shot 200 rnds. I have taken my cyclone apart completly and my ratchet looks fine. Here is what I posted on A5og. What do the people of pbreview have to say.

I have an A5/RT flatline with a 16oz co2 tank.
Well, I went and bought a bag of Draxxus Blaze and some white box special to try my new gun again.
I tried the Blaze first. After about 10 shots, I had soup coming out. I noticed that when I fired only every other shot did a ball come out before the soup happened.
My Rt wasnt turned up that high. My velocity at the time was 300fps. The screws in the bottom of my cyclone are not sticking up through the bottom. It was 70degrees outside. I went inside and saw a lot of paint in the cyclone, so I cleaned it and the flatline out and let them dry. I did a drop test on the paint and found after dropping it on my hard floor 1-3 times from 6ft up that it broke. So I figured it was brittle. I dumped it out on a towel and put it in my bathroom and steamed it to reduce the brittleness.

Then I did the same drop test on the white box special, and it took 4-6 drops for it to break, so it is probably ok. I turned my RT down and made sure everything was dry. I also managed to turn the velocity screw in some more. I went back out and recronoed. It was down to 275-280. I shot some rounds with less than stellar flatline performance(about like my old 98c flatline). I was able to get short slow bursts out of the RT, so I turned it up a bit. I started ripping a few decent 5-8rnd strings and then I started only firing every other shot again(the others were dry fires). Then my gun miscocked(just like my old 98c used to). I recocked it and the first shot that came out was soup and then the wingers started, so I quit.


I'm figuring the cyclone feed just cant keep up with the high ROF I was trying to make it do(which makes me wonder why I even bought the A5). I think it could also be the RT is just stealing too much blowback from the cyclone. It could also be that CO2 will simply NOT work with the A5/RT. My friend has an A5 egrip and can rip on full auto with straight CO2 no problem.
I really dont want an egrip, but I will get one if I have to. If there is any way for me to keep my RT and not chop or miscock, I would like to know.

My cyclone ratchet is fine because I tested it by pushing the plunger with my finger in the way of the star and it stopped until I moved my finger.

[SuperTrooper_OT]

Check your ball detent. And you probably arent getting enough air to your hopper.

[Kodiak31415]

I take it that this happened on saturday and the 16oz tank in question is the one I loaned you?

Anyway, I have only seen r/t's in person 3 times, and every time the person using it ends up chopping balls. Don't know why this happens but it does. I would suggest taking the r/t off and trying the normal trigger for a while. I know a properly functioning a-5 is easily capable of shooting more than 10bps (Tippmann says 17 but thats probably a load of bull). Try to see how fast you can fire with just a normal trigger.

[SuperTrooper_OT]

actually, i rarely chop with my response, and rarely have misfeeds. Take ur marker into your local proshop and have them look at it.

[ghilliesnipe]

Originally posted by Kodiak31415
I take it that this happened on saturday and the 16oz tank in question is the one I loaned you?

Anyway, I have only seen r/t's in person 3 times, and every time the person using it ends up chopping balls. Don't know why this happens but it does. I would suggest taking the r/t off and trying the normal trigger for a while. I know a properly functioning a-5 is easily capable of shooting more than 10bps (Tippmann says 17 but thats probably a load of bull). Try to see how fast you can fire with just a normal trigger.

No, I didnt end up playing on sat because of the rain. I waited to shoot it until today when the weather was better. Ya, I am definatly thinking that the RT is stealing too much blowback from the cyclone. Why do so many people love the RT on the A5? I have no idea. I guess it is the same reason so many people love the RT on the 98c which for me also caused massive chopping. I must have really bad luck. I think I will sell the RT and just buy a double trigger and be done with it. Either that or sell it and just keep my trusty old F4 illustrator, the only paintball purchase I have never regretted.

[TheSpy11]

Just like others I think the RT is stealing the air from the Cyclone. That's the only thing I can think of. Sorry I can't help you fix it. Just get an E-grip if you can't figure it out.

[ghilliesnipe]

Here is what I posted on A5og. I didnt feel like typing it again.

Sorry to all for being such a whining cry baby.

Anyways, I took my tippmann apart completely cyclone and all and took out the RT. I went and tested it and it was fine. I put the RT back in and tested it again and it was fine. I called Tippmann and talked to them and ordered another ratchet for the future. I dont know why it is working now and wasnt before. I know my marker better now, so that's cool. Thanks for the replies

[hummerking]

make sur the screws on the bottom of the cyclone aren't over-tightened, sumtimes they poke up and rip open ur balls.

[TippmannPhreak]

Wrong paint for the Flatty. Use Marbs'.:P

[ghilliesnipe]

If I had marbs, evils, allstars, formula 13s, etc available locally, I would try them.

Today I used mostly the white box special and got a 2-3 ft (the target was 30 in and most of them hit) shot pattern at 150ft(measured) shooting freehand ripping on the RT, so, I think Ill go with that for now. :P

[yuik]

Hey i got a solution. Get a low pressurew sytem and a reg and convert to air. You will notice the difference immediately. This helped alot on my friends 98c because the ocasional break with his rt and flateline was a pain. The comp-air for the 98c helped him so much. He also was more consistent over the chrono.

[senghing27]

U know, i had a problem with my a-5 too, just like that. I found out, that you have to make sure that the hoses are on right, and make sure you have good paint, and its feeding correctly.

[moses688]

A5's don't chop balls because they are high pressure, that is a myth.

The bolt is pushed by a spring and the ratchet pressure in the cyclone feed is run by spring although it is cocked by air.

if you are breaking balls in the barrel it may be because of high pressure, but it is more likely because of poor paint quality.

Agree or disagree it's the truth

[Kodiak31415]

Originally posted by moses688
A5's don't chop balls because they are high pressure, that is a myth.

The bolt is pushed by a spring and the ratchet pressure in the cyclone feed is run by spring although it is cocked by air.

if you are breaking balls in the barrel it may be because of high pressure, but it is more likely because of poor paint quality.

Agree or disagree it's the truth

The main reason I bought an a-5 was because I head it almost never breaks balls. For the most part this is true, but for some reason whenever I see an a-5 break balls it somehow turs out to be an a-5 with an rt. Never with an egrip, just with the rt.

[moses688]

the RT does rob some pressure from the cyclone feed so it stops running and balls bobble in instead of being forced in this happens when CO2 shoots down usualy you will notice that a couple shots wil " dry fire" then you can shoot again when the tank warms up.

I've never seen an RT with nitro chop a ton of balls.

But people do find all kinds of new exciting ways to screw up their guns.
later
moses

[Kodiak31415]

Originally posted by moses688

But people do find all kinds of new exciting ways to screw up their guns.


How true, "if you make something idiot proff they will jst make better idiots".

Does anyone here know how well worr paint works in a flatline? Im going to a scenario game this weekend and was wondering if I should bring my backup barell in case the worr is crappy.

[Eladamri]

Originally posted by Kodiak31415

Does anyone here know how well worr paint works in a flatline? Im going to a scenario game this weekend and was wondering if I should bring my backup barell in case the worr is crappy.
Always take a backup barrel if you own a flatline and plan on shooting field paint.

[yuik]

the wgp domination paint works great with my flateline on my 98c. I had 1 chop all day. I think wgp makes a cheaper version but it probally will hold up. Just like midevil doesnt give me any problems when my local store is out of evil. On the day when i used the wgp paint it was about 60. Im not sure but if its gunna be 95 then u might have some problems with swelling paint.

[Greedy]

A guy in the www.tippmannowners.com forum had a very similar problem you had and ALL the obvious or possible reasons (except one obviously) were stated and determined not to be the cause.

What happened was the pin needle on his air source was sticking. You may have a bent needle on either tank or the ASA.

Just a possibility.

[ghilliesnipe]

The needle on the ASA is so short there is no way for it to be bent. I have 2 CO2 tanks and 2 kinds of paint. I just chopped with one combo. I am gonna go try out the other co2 tank with the same paint and see what happens. I will do all 4 combos and see if any of them do not chop. If they all chop, I will try some all stars and evils in a week or 2 when I can finally go get some.