What makes the player

[Splat Attack]

I hear that the better marker, the better the player, but with my alley cat I can take out a 700 dolar mag, so is it the gun or the man

[hewy10]

a good marker helps but it comes down to who is playing. there is this one kid who i play with who has a dark angel and gets taken out all the time, but then there is another with a spyder who takes out almost everyone so a good gun in the right hands is deadly but an angel in the hands of a beginner is target practice

[Sid]

Well sure.. guns are nice. High performance guns are for tournaments, where the game gets so refined, you need the best. It doesn't matter if you're playing newbies on the weekend.

[raptorprh]

it can be the gun, but if u really know your gun you'll get used to it. the other part is the man and psyhcology

[Halliday]

A good player is still good using a rental or an Angel. A good gun can make a good player great.

[Skull]

COMBO.... It's more of a 70 30 combo with 70 bein skill and technique and 30 bein marker. I mean say my technique is snipeing, so a nice pick for a gun may be a phantom, or tigershark, or some other pump gun. I wouldn't wan't to go out on the field expectin to crawl around and role and dive with a cocker, mag, shocker etc. I mean u kinda gotta pick the equipment that matches your skill and technique...

[Paint Bulley]

I think a good player is somebody who isn't afraid of being shot, and will do what they have to do to get somebody out.

Just my 2 cents

[Richy_C]

Originally posted by Skull
COMBO.... It's more of a 70 30 combo with 70 bein skill and technique and 30 bein marker. I mean say my technique is snipeing, so a nice pick for a gun may be a phantom, or tigershark, or some other pump gun. I wouldn't wan't to go out on the field expectin to crawl around and role and dive with a cocker, mag, shocker etc. I mean u kinda gotta pick the equipment that matches your skill and technique...

damn straight, i love speed an accurac, i like the imps and mags, damn straight

[PaintballRaver]

OK Let me put it to you this way.
There is a guy (call him Joe) that just plain sucks, im mean bad. He hits his own teammates, drops his paint. runs right into the enemy without knowing it, That kinda of guy. Give him a Dark Angel on full auto and a full case of marbs.
Now think of a pro-level tourney player (call him Bob)someone whos team went to the finals at last years nat's. Think of Bob out on the field agianst Joe armed with a SpyderTL.
I dont think it will take you a long time to figure out who would be the victor. Also how much faster do you think it would go if Bob was also armed with a Dark Angel? Probaly not a whole lot faster.
But also think about this, Bob playing agianst someone just as good as him (call him ****), If Bob was only armed with a SpyderTL, going up agianst **** armed with a Dark Angel Bob would probally get hosed.
Just some food for thought................

[Gizmo51]

I think it is a little of both because if you dont have the equiment how can you compete. Plus most of time if some one spent $500 on their gun they are either a spoiled brat or more often than not a serios player.

[Paint Bulley]

also personality is important.

I would rather play with someone who will go forward and cover you when you go forward. Someone who will try to do something that might get him out but could also win the game. And also is a team player.

What sucks is playing with a guy who calls himself a back player not because he is but, because he is afraid of being shot, or too lazy to move his butt. OR the guy who tells everyone what to do, and yells at them like crazy if they screw up.

[Kamikaze]

If i was puting together a team i would take someone with great skill and a average gun over someone with no skill and a super gun. now if you find a player that has good skill and a good gun thats what you want.

[NEO]

Skill, my friend had an angel(before he ran over it)and he still sucked.

[Creek]

I played at a field friday nite,was kicking butt with my mag.My friend had a rental raptor I traded with him and still kick butt.
The marker makes a good player better but his skills can't be under sold at all.If he got smarts he'll over come the markers lack of art.You can get even better using a bad marker now and then cause you wont depend on the marker to do it for you.
I use cheap markers now and then to keep my skills working.Once you got skills and get a good marker,you'll be a player too contend with on any field.
I also like be on out number teams too cause it makes you think.

[dawgs712]

its mentallity too. if 2 great players have equal guns, the one that not afraid to get hit will win. if yur deathly afraid of paintballs than you aint gonna be any god. veen if yur a little worried about gettin hit, i find if i just scream and run i do better than tryin o hide where you are. screaming like a rambo/arnold/psyco helps

[Magnus55]

yeah I like to scream. Really scares the bejezus out of newbies

[FLoorED]

This is a topic where I think some paintball players are missing the boat. Newbies today, who have some money to burn, are going out and purchasing these high tech markers without first developing their skills. In my opinion it is a combination of equipment and the player, but it's not an equal 50/50 thing. I think that the players experience, technique and skill all play more of a roll then your marker.

[iipaintballer]

This question comes up in any sport. For paintball, what makes the player, their skill or the marker they use? I believe that between the two skill is more important that the marker. However, if you look at it in the bigger picture, both your skill and your marker are tools that you use to play. They are both tools, they are both important. If you hone your skill you can use just about anything and do well. If you get a top of the line marker, regardless if you are a newbie or not, as long as you can hold the trigger down at full auto, you can be a intimidating opponent.

Skill is just something that is more difficult to get. Then put a excellent marker into a skilled player, that is intimidating.

[KoRnMaN]

I think what Paintballraver is saying is kind of true because with a better gun it makes the other player feel very intimidated and scared. Which meens that hes not going to be very confident in himself and he will be killed.

[Edited by KoRnMaN on 05-16-2001 at 06:39 PM]

[Splat Attack]

Yeah, I see what you guys are talking about. I agree, most of the players ability is in his skill, but slap a good marker and you've got an even better player. But there is another detail. STORY TIME:

There is this guy i've heard about, that when he uses his pump, he plays better than when he uses his autococker. He gets trigger happy, and dosn't play as smart. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that, You have to get a marker that fits you. Even if it is a lower quality marker than some others, you may play better with it!

[Ded]

Originally posted by FLoorED
This is a topic where I think some paintball players are missing the boat. Newbies today, who have some money to burn, are going out and purchasing these high tech markers without first developing their skills. In my opinion it is a combination of equipment and the player, but it's not an equal 50/50 thing. I think that the players experience, technique and skill all play more of a roll then your marker.

I started off two years ago with a BE talon, bought a apyder compact 2k about a year ago and then got my TL. This will be my last gun for a while. I think it will be fun tricking it out and will get very used to it, I can already beat people with eclipse mags and STO cockers so I think I'm well on my way.

[KoRnMaN]

I here ya thats the way I am Ded:) boy its fun to whip cocker people.

[Killers Are Quiet]

Skill over marker any day of the week. The marker helps but not as much as improving your skills.

[ghosthunter]

well just a little food for thought about how the gun does help make the player

my first time playing i rented a m98 on co2 not a bad gun to the least. I was doing fine with this gun making kills not getting out ,occasionally just plain old snipin people with a few quick shots in speedball- however my gun was shooting curveballs left and right- literally- this made it so i had to take a good amount of time aiming, which made the game harder- well anyways for a couple of games I used my friends cocker, for some other games this kids mag, and once a kids angel(that was fun)- well with the cocker and mag i could shoot straight, accurate and fast which needless to say allowed me generally light up this simple game of speedball winning about four games straight with an average of 3 kills each time. well when i used the angel i F*ckin smoked people. it was a 9v9 game in which i shot two people off the start(one was real lucky), took out two more when they peered out from behind their bunkers, one as he was switching bunkers and i made the last kill by bunkering some dude who was pretty good.- for those who cant add thats 6 guys, needless to say we won the game- remember this was first time playing ever, first day ever shooting a gun

[Wicked_Vengence]

I would have to say Skill is the most important factor. I agree that a gun helps, but it is only a tool.
For example, I started playing with a King Cobra Pump Rifle, stock with 10 round tubes for a hopper (Before semi's existed, come to think of it) and had done so for about 4 years. Well, there was a man (Call him Will) and his team (Call them C-Rated) who had the Mags & Cockers (Unmatched at that time) and would go and dump a case of paint in a day (The average being 300-400 rounds at the time). I spent a long while being shot up by them and didn't much like it, so I got better. It came to the point that I could match a Cocker/Good player with my 10 shot pump rifle, and pity the no skilled guys. Eventually I caved in and bought a Cocker. Well, I became more 'gifted', true, but only because my style of play became different. I spent less time hiding, and more time engaging people. Less time aiming and more time firing. I may not have gotten as many 'kills' with the pump, but I could pin half a team for fear that they would be hit if they moved, which seems alot better to me.
However, to this day I LOVE going out with a PGP and smoking some paint spewing, Angel wielding target because he never learned the lesson of skill and thinks that a gun will help.
I believe that equipment only 'Helps' when players of near skill meet, in which the equipment then plays a part. Possessing skill, I realize that I can't charge 10 people with a PGP and live, so I play different. I don't feel any less hampered by the fact that I am outgunned.

[Stealthy_Yellow]

My goggles fog up all the time. I could be the best player in the world, with the best gun. and I would suck total butt since I can't see.

[KoRnMaN]

my field owner says that. If your starting paintball new the first thing you should by is the best goggles you van get and then buy the gun because seeing is everything.
:)

[Letchworth40]

combo...the gun helps..if u had a cocker with a boomy vs a guy with a talon and he was pretty far away..chancer are the guy with the boomy cocker is going to get em

[I win]

If a person has a pump gun and uses the right skills and techniques even he can take out a $700 mag. You can't throw a gun on a field and expect it to shoot can you? The gun dosn't shoot by it's self the player uses skill and techniques to fire the gun.

[KoRnMaN]

And its not really fair to say a talon against a cocker. More like a stingray against a cocker.

[Wicked_Vengence]

Not that I like the Talon, but why can't it compete against Cockers and Mags? I use a PGP to do it all the time.

[KoRnMaN]

It can but a stingray for example would make more sence.

[ockey]

A good gun helps but you could have the best gun in the world but if you suck you'll still get lit up.

[KoRnMaN]

hehehe can you say gillie suit? (I can)

[SilverBullet]

Well you can't spell it worth a d@mn!

It's ghillie

[Codestar20]

I think it a combination of both. Like a 75% skill/25%marker. I started out using a Talon Ghost and I took out guys with raptors, stingrays, spyders, and piranhas. There were times I was lit up pretty bad because of my marker too. Everything else I want to say now has been said.

[KoRnMaN]

You do realize this thread is over a month old? So stop posting.