WAS Question

[lilpro]

Hey i have had a WAS baord for about 3 months and every time i go and play i always seem to chop alot! I know i have it on eye mode. So what do you think the promble is? Cuz it shouldnt even be chopping?right?

PLz help

[Dr J]

it's hard to say what the problem it... you gotta make sure youi have the right eye mode selected. Make srue you dont' accidentally press the power button an extra time which will cause it to ignore the eye.

Also, If you chop once, you're eye will get dirty and may not work properly until it's cleaned.

[ikey]

with a black bolt it should blink green about 1 time a second, with a white bolt it should blink 2 times a second. if your is not doing these in the right combination, tehn you are in the wrong eye mode. the BIP delay should never ever ever be below 5. in fact, it really doesnt even need to be moved at all really. shure the gun will physically shoot a littel bit faster. will you ever notice? no. check your sensitivity.

[frost]

Also did you file your eye hole down and black it out? And what kind of loader are you using and what color is it?

[lilpro]

Im useing a halo b clear, and a white bolt. I have not blacken my eye holes. So i need to blacken my eye holes? Also what should my eye sentive be at and my BIP delay? Which eye mode should it be in?

Thanks Michael

[ase]

ok dude if you messed with the setting just set it all back to the stock settings...im not sure how to do this offhand but it says in the usage manual on www.wickedairsportz.com

[jokerdude1333]

set your BIP delay to 5(no lower), then your eye sensitivity is fine at the stock setting(which is 10), you SHOULD BE IN EYE MODE 2, since you have a white bolt.

[Team Chokepoint]

Just to clarify, eye mode 2 is 3 trigger pulls. But yes, look at the manual.

[speedy2k4]

can anyone explain exactly what the different eye modes do? i'm gonna buy a w.a.s., partially because i'm tired of the vision. it's not exactly 20/20, if ya know what i mean..

[jokerdude1333]

EYE MODE 2 watches the bolt, if the eye doesnt detect the bolt within a certain amount of time after the trigger is pulled it will go into bypass mode.

[speedy2k4]

how about dark colors? it's irritating when your hopper is doing it's job, but your gun doesn't know it.

[jokerdude1333]

yes the eye can see dark colors, but you may have to turn your eye sensitivity down(the lower the number the more sensitive the higher the number the less sensitive). the only time i had problem with dark paint was brown but all i had to do was turn my sensitivity down and i was fine.

[Team Chokepoint]

There are 4 eye settings in additional to a wide range of sensitivity levels:

Eye off - the eye is off. The board is capped, I think at 13 bps.

Eye mode 1 - the eye looks for the paintball. If the paintball is not in the breach, the gun will not fire until it is. Meaning you can't place it in the breach, remove it, and then fire the gun, which I think the Vision will do. Not a good thing. The eye is capped at whatever you set your bps cap at, from 10-30 bps I think.

Eye mode 2 - The eye additionally watches the movement of your bolt. This can only be done if you have a reflective bolt (so not black delrin, white is fine). There is no cap. It is slightly less reliable than eye mode 1 I hear, and you can't possibly outpull the 30 bps cap, so I don't see the point of this mode, but to each his own.

Simulate mode - The board acts as if there was a ball in the camber at all times. The difference between this and eye off mode is that you can make the gun cycle faster than 13 bps. Not recommended with paint. But its hella fun to watch your Imp bounce off the valve at 40 cps!


And get WAS, I've never owned vision, but I've seen them blend halos, which tells you something.


EDIT: Yes, it sees dark paint. Just make sure you adjust the eye sensitivity to accomodate exceptionally dark shells.

[jokerdude1333]

no eye = bypass mode, but i would think that eye mode 2 is better. also it doesnt matter the color of the bolt but only if it is reflective, there are some black delrin bolts that are reflective. if you are in eye mode 1 it is capped at 20 and if you are in eye mode 2 there is no cap.

[speedy2k4]

so like eblade cocker eye? that's fine, same sensor as the vision, but it's adjustable sensitivity does the job. i was having a problem with brown diablo heat and cobalt/bronze dusk not being detected.

[jokerdude1333]

the ONLY problem i have had with paint is some old brown ghetto ball we had left over from a practice. I had the eye sensitivity at 10 and it didnt detect it, i was going to change the eye sensitivity but the paint was all deformed so i jsut dumped it out. but that is the only problem i have had, but i have yet to shoot any paint that the shells are black. but i have shot purple before and it worked fine.

[Slow_Target]

Ok eye set to 1 flash = bypass mode capped at 13 bps
2 flashes = eye mode 1 has an adjustable cap up to 29bps.
3 flashes = eye mode 2 watches bolt and doesn't have a cap. Since it watches the bolt, it can switch to fire mode quicker.

It may not matter what color the bolt is but most black bolts are not reflective. I'm not convinced that it is only the material. Black absorbs IR in most material I believe. All bolt can probably become reflective if you lower the eye sensitivity. However, if your bolt isn't reflective at the default eye setting of 10 then don't use eye mode 2.

[Team Chokepoint]

I tried turning up my sensitivity once just to see if I could get eye mode 2 to work, but the result was it would cycle no matter what and I chopped. But thats fine since eye mode 1 serves my purposes.

[speedy2k4]

i just realized, the w.a.s. board isa bit racist, don't ya think?

but yeah black absorbs every color in the spectrum, white reflects them i have a white bolt so i'm good.

[Team Chokepoint]

Eye mode 1 is actually capped at any number you choose between 10 (maybe 15) and 30, vie the trigger menu.

[ase]

Originally posted by speedy2k4
i just realized, the w.a.s. board isa bit racist, don't ya think?

:laugh:

[ikey]

all a rof cap is is the timing of the gun. ever set the rof on an older matrix? the timing is teh rof. same thing. and like an electro cocoker. you wanna shoot faster you gotta put the gun into a faster mode. with eye mode 2 the gun is self timing. aka, there is no cap because teh gun can see the bolt. so the gun will adjust the rof itself, which is why there is no cap. also, if there is any problem or malfunction with the eye, mode 2 will automatically put your gun into bypass mode. so basically if you ever have a problem you wont even know it because your gun fixed it already. (aposed to having a problem, not shooting, saying WTF, and having to figure out your eye is meesed up so you can put your gun into bypass. that could cost you the game). competition mode is just for dry firing. basically it takes the 13 bps cap of you you can dry fire as fast as you want. DO NOT SHOOT PAINT IN THIS MODE. and eye mode 1 and bypass are pretty standard ones i think we all get those.

[Smartpart5]

well everytime i put mine on eye mode 2 it seems to not check if a ball is in breech like i will chop is that normal. And after i shoot like 3-4 shots my led blinks orange... and will fire with or without a paintball.

BIP=1
Eye sensativity=5

[Slow_Target]

Originally posted by Smartpart5
well everytime i put mine on eye mode 2 it seems to not check if a ball is in breech like i will chop is that normal. And after i shoot like 3-4 shots my led blinks orange... and will fire with or without a paintball.

BIP=1
Eye sensativity=5

Have you completely filed the burr out of the eye hole? Is your bolt reflective? If the eye connot see it at the default eye sensitivity setting then you probably shouldn't use eye mode 2.

[Smartpart5]

yea its a reflective bolt N/D EQ white
and i did all of the modes like the filling out and the sharpie.

and isnt the default 10?

[Smartpart5]

does any one eles no....about my eye mode 2



and another question i have is that my gun is not that fast. i no that i need to properly set and tune my gun i suppose but my gun isnt that fast are my internals good enough. What would be my set up on my board to get my faster.

thanks

[Team Chokepoint]

I know that Wolverine had a similar problem that he wrote about in his FAQ, give that a look.

With factory settings on your WAS, your gun should be a mowing machine if properly set up (not necessarily perfectly tuned). You have an lpr right?

[jokerdude1333]

your BIP delay is to low put at at around 5, it should never really go below that.

[speedy2k4]

lpr won't affect speed. i would get a stock hammer/aluminum, can cycle a bit faster and will have less kick. the w.a.s. will keep up with you.

[Team Chokepoint]

lpr won't affect speed.

Yeah i guess that was a dumb thing to ask. Its late.


EDIT: I guess its very late. I didn't even notice that part about the BIP. It is too low. My guess is your bolt is cycling too early, and that is throwing off the eye logic. I thought that the BIP setting was ignored in eye mode 2, but I could be wrong. Try it at around 5-7.

[ikey]

what do you mnea your adrelaline is not that fast? do you know a stock vision impy is capable of 20 bps (granted with those internals its not going to perorm that great at 20 bps, but the gun will shoot 20). you have ND internals, so your gun is much faster. your gun is probably just as fast as any gun out there. and you have got a really good trigger on it. the only thing slowing down that gun is your fingers.

[Smartpart5]

i don't know i think my setup was al wrong im gonna hook my gun to my compressor and find out soon.

[toothpastedog]

Originally posted by speedy2k4
lpr won't affect speed. i would get a stock hammer/aluminum, can cycle a bit faster and will have less kick. the w.a.s. will keep up with you.

If set incorrectly, it will...

[Smartpart5]

Originally posted by Team Chokepoint
I know that Wolverine had a similar problem that he wrote about in his FAQ, give that a look.
yea i see now, thanks i would of never found that

[speedy2k4]

If set incorrectly, it will...
good point, you do need a high enough lpr or the cycle speed will be slower.

other than that, the lpr won't affect speed.

[toothpastedog]

Originally posted by speedy2k4

good point, you do need a high enough lpr output pressure or the cycle speed will be slower.

other than that, the lpr won't affect speed.

[speedy2k4]

...............ya know what.....just because i have been running on caffeine for the past two days doesn't mean you have the right to make me look dumb :(

[toothpastedog]

:laugh: