What is the biggest myth?

[july_favre]

these have been debated since they were inventer. who know some of these myths may even be true!!!

[elTwitcho]

Dude, some of those are true. Do your research and you'll find that out. Now I'd go more into detail about why they are true, but I gotta go rub a bag of Marbalizers on my crotch. Good day to you sir!

[PsycHo AbE]

Which ones do you think are true?

[Nemessis]

No offense but a double trigger on a cocker is worse since the cocker is not a pivoting trigger and a double trigger makes you want to use it as a pivoting trigger causing you to shortstroke and chop

[elTwitcho]

Well, it was half intended as a joke, but Low pressure is alot more accurate than High pressure and that's a fact that I know from experience. The reason being that the ball deforms less when fired and thus doesnt move around as much in the air trying to regain it's shape. And x barrel versus y barrel, it is true that some barrels are more accurate just because of the quality of manufacture. Otherwise, we'd all put down our boomsticks and slap on those bad @ss line of barrels that brass eagle makes. Some of those are indeed a myth however.

[PsycHo AbE]

X vs. Y barrel is a myth.

A paitnball barrel is only as good as the paint going through it. Barrels come in different bore sizes as do paints. A large bore paint going through a small bore barrel wont do good and the reverse will also result in bad accuracy.

Matching the barrel to your paint or paint to your barrel will help keep it more accurate. Size of the barrel will affect performance and so will porting or lack of it.

If X vs Y was true, then there would be a true perfect barrel...just know that it doesnt exist. What you may think is the best barrel isnt necessarily so.

LP vs. well, not LP. doesnt necessarily help in accuracy but rather consistancy in speed of paintball and gas let out. Other factors determine accuracy.

Single trigger vs. double...prefrence. Its all a matter of preference.

[elTwitcho]

No, X barrel vs Y barrel, in terms of quality of construction makes a huge difference. Most stock barrels that come with low end markers are quite simply crap. They arent always as well polished as they should be, they dont always have a consistent diameter all the way through, and porting makes a difference. Thus, some barrels are more accurate than others. Yes paint to barrel match is most important, but that isnt the only factor and everyone knows it. As for LP, it is more accurate than HP, and Adam Gardner in an interview for the book "Complete Guide To Paintball" even said in his reasoning for making the shocker, that he wanted a low pressure gun because they are more accurate for the reasons I've already listed.

[Nemessis]

a stock cocker or mag barrel is still crap. But if you are talking about a blazer stock barrel... and if you dont know about those man o man are you new to the sport

[PsycHo AbE]

Palmer barrels are expensive but if you want the best, he'll precision hone that thing to meet your needs.

Okay, X vs. Y barrel...about substance of barrel that is true. It doesnt necessarily make it more accurate but is more gas effecient as it will take less to require desired velocity. Doesnt necessarily help. Stock barrels are generall short which does affect accuracy as well, and I agree with you on porting as well as consistancy of barrel throughout...perhaps it should be worded X barrel is the best barrel instead.

[LittleFishie]

I agree with AbE, paint to barrel match is the most crucial part. Then construction of the barrel.

[Richy_C]

as long as the inside of your barrel are consistant and smooth, than it will be just as accurate as a barrel 8 inches longer, imean look at the big shot, its awsome and more arcurate than a longer more expensive j&j full tilt

[Stompa'16]

I would say the lp myth or maybie the closed bolt vs open bolt.

Both have been proven wrong by 3 different tests that i know of and from what i have read, the physics involved also prove that both are false.

As for what Adam gardener said, I've also read that interview and other things he has written and no where have i read any proof that what he is sayin has any truth behind it. While lp is more gentle on paint, its effect on accuracy is negligible. Case in point. When i lowered the pressure of my cocker with new pneus and reg and air system by about 150 psi, i saw no difference in accuracy. Also look at the nova. It is the lowest pressure gun on the market and it isnt any more accurate than any other gun ive seen.

[SmartBall]

I'll make a paintball barrel for you, out of old .68 (don't ask where i found it) steel conduit! just send me $2 for labor and you'll have your self a genuine barrel! h*ll, i'll even teflon coat it, not like it'll help alot! just kidding, but really that deal that i just offered vs. a boomstick, There will be noticable difference. Pyscho dude, the reason there is no "perfect" barrel is maybe becuase there can't be a "perfect" barrel. A paintball isn't always consistant in size, unlike a bullet, and therefore will not be consistant in it's paint to barrel match. That said we cannot (yet) make a "perfect" barrel to accomidate for the inconsistancies in paint to barrel matching.

[NickR]

I always here kids at the field going "OH YEA! Well my firiend timed himself and shot 25 rounds per second!
SO, MY friend can shoot 30 rounds per second!"
It gets realy annoying. But low pressure is good because of consistency. If you have a regulator and all that other junk that makes your gun consistent as in a avg. difference of like 2 fps, then you want a higher velocity. And what good is a low velocity if the ball cant get to them before they go back into cover. On the rentals i used to use the velocity seemed like 1fps. It was so slow! And when i would shoot, the person i had shot at would have poped of 3 balls and gotten behind his cover before the ball was 1/2 way there. I prefer to use a high velocity. And yes, there are good barrels and bad barrels. Dont believe me? Put a origonal piranah stock barrel in a test with a dye boostick.

[elTwitcho]

you're gonna have to elaborate, I didnt follow what you're gettin at. If you're saying LP equals low velocity, it doesnt, and if that's not what you're saying you need to be more specific.

[polarbear]

I think your right elTwitcho he is saying lp equals low velocity. Very strange.

[Watupi]

I voted for the long barrel myth quite a while ago, but now I wish I would have voted for the closed bolt being more accurate/having more range than open bolt. This is getting to be the most common myth I hear about. Its very common to see in most of the reviews here, too.

[Predator2]

Originally posted by Richy_C
as long as the inside of your barrel are consistant and smooth, than it will be just as accurate as a barrel 8 inches longer, imean look at the big shot, its awsome and more arcurate than a longer more expensive j&j full tilt
Actually they are the same accuracy at close distance, but if you are trying to hit someone from a ways away then the shorter barrel will curve the paintball, the longer barrel will give longer straightness than the shorter.

[elTwitcho]

After about 10 inches, length isnt gonna make it any more accurate

[Predator2]

I would have to add on 2 more inches to that. My SE stock barrel is crappy compared to the TLPLUS stock barrel. BIG DIFF! Ten inches and 12 up, you will see a diff.

[elTwitcho]

Maybe, 10-12, it's personal preference, I just wanted to emphasive that the 16 inch barrels arent gonna do anything other than make you look goofy

[OutOfPaint]

"rubbing a paintball on your crotch before each day of play will prevent a paintball shot to the family jewels"

This is TRUE....
;)

[NickR]

A longer barrel will give you a higher velocity though because the ball has more time to accelerate. Of course though if the barrel is to long then the friction slows it down.

[TLplus84]

i do think that anything over 14 in. will slow the ball down. I'd go for a 12 or 14 in. barrel. also the closed vs. Open bolt thing is a myth. Warpig has an article about that.

[SmartBall]

Originally posted by NickR
A longer barrel will give you a higher velocity though because the ball has more time to accelerate.

::The speed should be constant, right? A longer barrel will give you equal velocity at best. You shouldn't need higher velocity anyways, because you should never shoot above 280.

Of course though if the barrel is to long then the friction slows it down.

::That is why we have porting! ;)

[elTwitcho]

If it is too long, then you will need a higher pressure to fire the ball. Higher velocity isnt much of a factor, because when my Spyder Compact was set improperly, I could fire a string of shots at 350 with the 10 inch barrel that comes with it.

[Ded]

TL. Can you show me the URL for that article about closed bolts because I'd always heard that that's why pump guns and cockers were so accurate, because of the closed bolt

[Counterfeit]

Nope closed bolt is no more accurate. Goto warpig.com for an article on it.

[davidb]

http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/paintguns/balistic/closedopen.shtml

[Dman]

It is an interesting test....but I see a couple of flaws with their study.

1. They used a BE stingray for the test. I think when most people think closed bolt vs open bolt..they don't even bring the BE Stingray into the equation.

2. They did not take into account recoil which has a tremendous effect on accuracy.

I agree that open vs closed bolt has nothing to do with it. I think that recoil and barrel/paint match have much more to do with how accurate a gun appears to the user.

[Ded]

i looked at the review and now have the question of why do cockers and other closed bolt guns such as pumps, with the exclusion of the BE Talon, seem to have better performance and accuracy than do other lines such as spyders and Piranhas with stock barrels. I don't know how a mag works so I won't mention it

[Counterfeit]

Originally posted by Ded
i looked at the review and now have the question of why do cockers and other closed bolt guns such as pumps, with the exclusion of the BE Talon, seem to have better performance and accuracy than do other lines such as spyders and Piranhas with stock barrels. I don't know how a mag works so I won't mention it

Consistancy. That is why. A cocker is going to be much more consistant with each shot than a spyder ever will be.

[NickR]

Consistency is one of the most important things when it comes to accuracy. Think about it, one ball gets shot at 300 fps, then another at 275 fps, they will go in different places.

[Oreo]

http://members.aol.com/billylg/MYTH.HTM

Go here read this. :P There ya go.

[elTwitcho]

Except for the thing about CO2 I liked that page. Unfortunately, even at pressures around 180 psi (operating pressure for a shocker) you wont get liquid CO2, but you will get ice crystals that wear away at the internals of your gun. Also, CO2 will eat away your o-rings like you wouldnt believe, while with CA they last a whole ton longer. And CO2 has a lot of dirt in it, which can be overcome if you have a filter (like on the shocker) but you've still got the issue of o-ring life and wear on the gun. Plus, if you can get 900 shots (some people get alot more) off of a 68/4.5K you dont really need more than that for one game, so the "more shots per tank" argument isnt a factor. That and I just hate CO2 :)

[Keikan]

What DOES barrel length affect if anything at all?

Is a 16" dye ok on a normal pressure autococker considering friction?

[Edited by Keikan on 02-25-2001 at 02:03 AM]

[Keikan]

A few more posts and Im no longer a "newbie" (yay.. :/)

[elTwitcho]

16 is ungainly in my opinion, but if you can play with it, then go for it. I beleive that anything over 10-12 inches is useless, except that maybe it'll make the shot quieter, some people really like the big barrels, and the one good thing about a big barrel, is that it helps newbies "point the gun" as in it's easier to line up where the barrel is pointing with a longer barrel. It's all preference, but personally I'd say stay at 12 or under, 14 if you absolutely very must go big.

[Keikan]

But are there any DISADVANTAGES to it being longer? Or mainly personal Preference?

[NickR]

A longer barrel will increase velocity. The gas behind the ball will continue to make the ball excelerate as long as it is pushing it. once the ball leaves the barrel, the excelerating stops. Dont get anything over 16 in. though, the friction will slow it down. And you will probibly end up trippin over the damn thing because its so long.

[Keikan]

Well im getting a 12 in for speedball later.

[Watupi]

Originally posted by NickR
A longer barrel will increase velocity. The gas behind the ball will continue to make the ball excelerate as long as it is pushing it. once the ball leaves the barrel, the excelerating stops. Dont get anything over 16 in. though, the friction will slow it down. And you will probibly end up trippin over the damn thing because its so long.

I would have to disagree. A longer barrel wont increase velocity. In fact, you have to shoot at a higher velocity than you would with a shorter barrel due to the fact that more pressure is needed to propel the ball from the barrel. So the only increase a longer barrel has over a short is the amount of drag put on the paintball.

[NickR]

First of all, drag is where something is not aerodynamic and it is slowed down. Second of all, the velocity is higher with a 16 in. than it is with a 14 in. Trust me, The longer the CO2 is behind the ball, the longer it will accelerate. Once the ball has left the barrel, the CO2 is no longer pushing it and the velocity drops until it hits its target. The longer the barrel, the longer the ball accelerates, the higher velocity. If you have a 10 in. barrel it is harder to get to 280 than it is with a 16 in. Anything higher than 18 in. will slow the ball down though. With all the porting to much of the CO2 will have left the barrel to continue to push the ball.

[Watupi]

Sorry, still wrong.

A paintball must have a certain amount of pressure to be pushed out of the barrel. The longer the barrel is, the more pressure is needed. This is due to the paintball being in contact with the inside walls of the barrel for a longer time. Being in contact with the barrel will slow the ball down, so you will need to raise your velocity to make up for this.

[Keikan]

Well my 16 in was chronoed at 300, but because the barrel is long will it not go as far? or does it matter?

[Counterfeit]

Watupi is right on this one. A longer barrel does use more pressure. Which in turn will also give you less Shots per tank

[Keikan]

IS it that big of a difference? Does this mean I should sell my 16in and get a 12 or something? or does it really not matter that much unless i plan to go lp?\

[Counterfeit]

I wouldn't sell your barrel. Unless you just got it and still can return it.

[Watupi]

Originally posted by Keikan
Well my 16 in was chronoed at 300, but because the barrel is long will it not go as far? or does it matter?

It will go just as far as a 10" barrel at 300fps. So, it wont make a difference, other than a little less shots per tank. Im just saying that if you put a 10" on your gun without touching to velocity, it will be higher than it was with the 16" because of the mroe air that is used.

[Edited by Watupi on 02-25-2001 at 08:08 PM]

[SmartBall]

The truth is that after a certain point in the barrel the ball reaches its apogee of speed. This is afected by how much pressure is used to accelerate the ball. So, after about 10 inches of barrel, on most spyder type guns, the ball has reached it's apogee of speed and the barrel is no longer providing and acceleration to the ball, but instead it is creating drag for the ball. Drag can be many different things, but in the sake of paintball it is the amount of friction the ball encounters while traveling through the air. So an 18 inch barrel is only going to slow the ball down, meaning more pressure is needed to push it.

[Keikan]

I got it from shop4paintball.com about a month and a half ago

[Counterfeit]

Don't worry about it then. It may get in the way being that long. But you would loose money if you sold it and bought another.

[MuckRaker]

Originally posted by SmartBall
The truth is that after a certain point in the barrel the ball reaches its apogee of speed. This is afected by how much pressure is used to accelerate the ball. So, after about 10 inches of barrel, on most spyder type guns, the ball has reached it's apogee of speed and the barrel is no longer providing and

Sorry to be so late on this thread, but I'm mining now for 1000 ... Millenium Paintball has a good faq ... the paintball accelerates through the first six inches of the barrel, after that the remaining barrel acts to stablize the ball on its path. Also, as has already been mentioned, more barrel equals drag.

[SmartBall]

[i]Originally posted by MuckRaker Sorry to be so late on this thread, but I'm mining now for 1000 [/B]

[Ded]

up

[Savior]

You can play without a barrel completely, and the ball still goes very far and straight in my xtra. its worth the compactness on small supair courses.

[jaredu]

I would prefer a 14" barrel overall. It isn't too short nor too long.

[Imus]

I think the biggest myth is Closed Bolt vs. Open Bolt accuracy
because so many people believe it is absolutley true and won't take false for an answer

[davidb]

Hehe Savior is right, I noticed the same thing on my Shutter. I was sitting there with my jaw hanging down cause I was hitting the tree 60'-70' away with no barrel.

[fate tempter]

newbies that make 3 foot pvc barrels are funny

[Showtime]

All you guys that that say rubbing a ball on your nuts doesn't prevent a shot to the family jewels, I will be laughing when you do get shot.

-Showtime

[The Billionare]

Originally posted by elTwitcho
Dude, some of those are true. Do your research and you'll find that out. Now I'd go more into detail about why they are true, but I gotta go rub a bag of Marbalizers on my crotch. Good day to you sir!

I only come here to read twitches comments. I love you man!

[Bentley]

biggest myth is that a longer barrel shoots farther. A lot of people now that it doesn't but i hear people say that they want a long barrel so that they can shoot farther

[Imus]

no kidding Billionare...I scroll through the threads just to read Twitches comments...I was thinking about making a poll for fav mod, but I thought it might upset the other admins if Twitch romped on them! TheFlash is also a very non-biased knowledgable forumer who always backs up his statements.

[Edited by Imus on 07-07-2001 at 06:29 PM]

[DasBaldDog]

Originally posted by NickR
I always here kids at the field going "OH YEA! Well my firiend timed himself and shot 25 rounds per second!
SO, MY friend can shoot 30 rounds per second!"
It gets realy annoying.


That's when you reply
"Yeah?, well my gun can hit you on one shot"

[giller]

If you wear a cup you wouldnt have to stink up your balls(paintballs , that is) it only costs a ffew bucks , and i would rather be uncomfortable and look silly for a few hours than go to the hospital and look "cool" and be known as the guy who got hit in the nads. in conclusion ,popularity sucks!

[DontKillWhitey]

Closed.Bolt.Open.Bolt.or.Longer.Barrel.equals.more .distance/Accuracy.Both.are.a.load.of.Oatmeal.

[banzaimf]

Originally posted by Savior
You can play without a barrel completely, and the ball still goes very far and straight in my xtra. its worth the compactness on small supair courses.

uhm... My mag will NOT work without a barrel. My cocker may be able to. the Trracer probably could. The rest of the blowbacks MIGHT be able to. The PGP COULDN'T. and the Crossmann 3357 should.

I am assuming that you mean in a spyder you can play without a barrel

[Landon]

Yah i feel that longer barrels dont provide more accuracy than shorter barrels. The best size is 10-12in. I use 12 and i get the same accuracy as the sniper wannabe's at my local field with their 16 barrels. Its funny to watch them try to play speed ball because they can hardly maneuver with their barrel and you can just run up and bunker them.

[SandStorm]

Longer barrels may be a little more quiet and use more air, thats really the only difference I have come across between longer and shorter barrels. The longest I would go is 14 inches, period. I believe 12 inches is the ideal barrel length.

[toadman7b22]

biggest myth ever is longer barrel shooots further

[Evilcrayonusa]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by elTwitcho
Except for the thing about CO2 I liked that page. Unfortunately, even at pressures around 180 psi (operating pressure for a shocker) you wont get liquid CO2, but you will get ice crystals that wear away at the internals of your gun. Also, CO2 will eat away your o-rings like you wouldnt believe, while with CA they last a whole ton longer. And CO2 has a lot of dirt in it, which can be overcome if you have a filter (like on the shocker) but you've still got the issue of o-ring life and wear on the gun. Plus, if you can get 900 shots (some people get alot more) off of a 68/4.5K you dont really need more than that for one game, so the "more shots per tank" argument isnt a factor. That and I just hate CO2 :) [/QUOTE

Im not saying that what your saying is impossable or that your wrong. But i have a spyder that i use co2 and co2 only in and in all the time that ive owned the gun And all the paint ive shot with it i have never had a seal break. It may be the fact that i Strip it down clean the internals And oil it before i go to a field. But i can honestly say ive shot like 9 cases of paint throught it and haven't had one thing go wrong with it other than a 3 or 4 chopped balls and i once bought a defctive grip.

[jdw_56]

The biggest myth is that if you drop the soap in prison you will get rammed. i tried and NOTHING HAPPENED!

*Get your @$$ over here!

*Coming Tiny!!!

well, i gots a date with my cellmate Tiny. Bye Bye!

[jdw_56]

wow that was actually pretty grotesque.

[w00twoot]

i like my 10" boomy i heard the first 6" of the barrel are the most important