Paintball gun for both Wodds and Speed, Tippman or Spyder?

[Chief125]

I'm trying to get a paintball gun, and I can't decide between the Spyder Imagine and the Tippman M98. I plan on playing both speedball and woodsball, so I would need something to compete in both rather well. I don't have the best budget (about $250 max), so I was wondering which may be better. I plan on shooting both, but I want to hear about them from people that own them. And please, no flaming.
Thanks, Chief out.

[shortman506]

spyder imagine

[ImpLin]

You cant go wrong with a M98 ^_^

[Deathwish]

Originally posted by ImpLin
You CAN go wrong with a M98 espiecally in speedball. ^_^ I would Definately go for the spyder imagine, it is a good beginners electric speedball or woodsball marker, but if you do get the imagine make sure to get at the very least a 12 v revvy, i would suggest an eVLution 2 (aka eggy) as your hopper if you can shell out the $60-80 for one if not a 12 v revvy will be fine

[bimbster101]

Spyder Imagine all the way because u can switch it to full auto and say u have mad trigger walking skills.:D u could do this with an imagine but not with a M98. Just watch the funny guy run from paintballs shot by an ubur Imagine:flagrun:

[viks]

full auto is becoming illegal at a lot of fields(near me anyways) and id say a screw those two and get a trilogy i know what my porfile says but its a good beginner gun and its what like $220? but umm outa the 2 choices you said id get a 98c its a friggin tank i have nothing against spyders but i dunno the imagine i heard some bad stuff from a kid who owned one...i shot on, yea they're great but he said that his broke and kept chopping so whatever maybe teh kid just had a bad experience

[nahthan]

Maybe the kid didn't have a loader that was fast enough. I mean, that's what chopping is a result of, the lack of speed in one's loader.

I'd go with the Imagine. It's faster and, pending one maintains it correctly, is just as durable. Don't take it and through it in your pool and expect it to work, though.

Full auto violates most insurance policies. If you're playing renegade, that's great. Don't play with me though. You can also shoot faster on the semi-auto mode.

I also think that Spyders are lighter, and feel more like a "high end" marker. That is to say that they feel more compact and don't have as big of a profile as a typical Tippmann has.

The difference between the two though is minute, seeing as the M98 can be upgraded to be virtually the same as a Spyder with over a grand into it.

A different route would be to look into used Autocockers and Automags.

[nick_reith]

Spyder Imagine... THats what I'd get anyway. I have an electro spyder and haven't ever chopped and its only broke on me one time and that was a broken oring so it wasn't a big deal. Spyders and tippmanns are both nice markers, very upgradeble, and easily maintained. I would personally go with the imagine especially if you will be playing speedball. bimbster you could use full auto... or you could just develop mad walking skills and actually impress some ppl instead of just pissing ppl off by cheating. I don't think there are any fields near me that allow full auto or anything besides semi.

[TheSpy11]

Since his budget is almost $250, I'd say save a little more and try for a Diablo Wrath ($260) or Ion or something. Skip sub-par blow-backs like the Imagine and 98 because you will want to soon anyway.

I know how slow the 98 is for speed so that isn't a good choice. And the Imagine is just a big frustration in my experiences.

[pbjoe693]

Originally posted by bimbster101
Spyder Imagine all the way because u can switch it to full auto and say u have mad trigger walking skills.:D u could do this with an imagine but not with a M98. Just watch the funny guy run from paintballs shot by an ubur Imagine:flagrun:

Dont listen to him. Full auto is illegal at most fields. Buy a double trigger for $20 or a respose trigger for $70. I would say definately go with the M98.

[BigTarget04]

Originally posted by pbjoe693


Dont listen to him. Full auto is illegal at most fields. Buy a double trigger for $20 or a respose trigger for $70. I would say definately go with the M98.

Which is probably more than an Imagine with tboard, which is far better than m98, so as others have said imagine.

[TheSpy11]

Originally posted by BigTarget04


Which is probably more than an Imagine with tboard, which is far better than m98, so as others have said imagine.

BKO at $230 or Wrath at $260 > Imagine w/Tboard at $170.

With $250 to spend he can skip blow-backs entirely. Pretty cool if you ask me.:tup:

[nick_reith]

I am pretty sure he meant 250 for gun, hopper, tank, mask, and harness so I don't think he can afford the wrath, ion, or bushmaster.

Response triggers are illegal just like full auto atleast at the fields I play at.

I still recommend the imagine.

[TheSpy11]

Yeah, if the $250 is for everything then the Imagine or Piranha E-force GTI are good choices.

[autto-mattick]

Get the Imagine. You really think that a M98 can compete at speedsball with a spyder. Get real. For the majority of the people on this website, they'll say Imagine. P.S. by the way next time try putting up a pollPERIOD

[Chief125]

Thanks for all the replies. Yes, it's about $250 for everything, and I guess I should have put up a poll. I'm leaning toward the Imagine, but what should I get with it (mask, tank, and everything else). Here's my list so far:

Gun- Spyder Imagine
Mask- Proto Switch El
Tank- 16 oz anti-syphoned
Agitator- Viewloader Revolution 12 Volt or Reloader 2
Barrel- ?
Paintballs- ? (depends on the bore of the barrel I get(I think))

Any thing wrong with this? and any additions? Thanks again for the help.

Thanks to amazing_spyderman

[amzng_spyderman]

Originally posted by Chief125
Thanks for all the replies. Yes, it's about $250 for everything, and I guess I should have put up a poll. I'm leaning toward the Imagine, but what should I get with it (mask, tank, and everything else). Here's my list so far:

Gun- Spyder Imagine good
Mask- Proto Switch El no comment
Tank- ? 16 oz anti-syphoned
Sight- Probably not for a while, if then don't. just, don't.
Agitator- Viewloader Revolution 12 Volt revvys are crap. get a reloader 2 instead.
Barrel- ? (maybe flatline) flatlines don't fit spyders, but flatlines suck anyway.
Paintballs- ? (depends on the bore of the barrel I get(I think)) as long as they're quality.

Any thing wrong with this? and any additions? Thanks again for the help.

[nick_reith]

Imagine
JT Proflex or The proto switch el
16oz CO2 Antisyphon
Reloader 1 or 2
Cp 1 piece barrel or JJ ceramic barrel (12"-14" anything over 16" is a waste)

[evilfreak]

get the Imagine and invest in a loader (12-14 bps would do) and a longer barrel to give you increased range and accuracy( when i had my imagine i got a PMI Razzor barrel, inexpinsive and a hige improvement over the stock imagine barrel) hope this helps:)

[TheSpy11]

Imagine
Switch EL
16 oz A/S
Reloader 1 or 2
12-14" CP 1-piece or J&J Ceramic

About $250.

[Ebonclaw]

Try snapshooting with a Tippmann sometime. Then try it with a SPyder. The Tippmann just doesn't work too well in speedball due to its size. It's a great gun and built like a tank, but I'd rather cart about ANY other gun onto a speedball field than a Tippmann. Personally, if I had my choice between playing with a Phantom on a speedball field, and a Tippann, I'd still use the Phantom even though it's a pump. The size is just way to big to play speedball competativly. Then again, I play front, so I require a small gun.

[Eladamri]

Its all preference. I would take a Tippy anyday over a Spyder for one simple reason, it is more comforable to me. My first semi marker was a M98 (first actual marker was a tigershark) and I moved from that up to a Minimag. 5 years of play with an inline marker gets you used to the feel. When I bought my Impulse I never got used to the stacked tube design. I just didn't like the feel of the stacked tube design. That is the main reason I bought the Ion when it came out, not because it was a better marker but rather because it was smaller and inline.

About a month ago I played a 3 man Blowback tournament with the M98 and our team dominated. I've also used it several times during practice when I was low on cash and needing to same money on paint. The player behind the marker is more of a factor then the actual marker. I can just as easily keep someone pinned in a bunker at 8bps with a mech as I can with an electo shooting 14bps.

All that being said, get the Imagine if you like the way it feels. It is a better deal for the money then any Tippmann. Base 98 is $140 and the Imagine is $108.

Here is a pic of my tippy as I play speedball with it.
http://members.cox.net/tuffdogpaintball/paintball%20pictures/M98-Tippy.jpg

[Ebonclaw]

Out of raw curiosity, do you play front or back?

[tippmannkidd]

dude go wit the m98 because its way more upgradible. look below



98c e-bolt
98c rt
98c comp-air system
Barrel Adapters


Barrels

Trigger Upgrades


Drop Forward/Tank Adapters


Expansion Chambers

Fire Power Upgrades


Grips


Stocks

Misc


Nitrogen Accessories


Power Feeds

Rear Velocity Adjusters


Regulators


Side/Rear Cocking Systems

www.tippmann.com L@@K


__________________________

tippmann 98c
flatline barrel
halo b (rip drive soon)
30 mm red dot scope

[yipyip123]

i always thought spyders were easier to disasemble, clean, reasemble.

the imagine can shoot faster, stock.

[gnr rocker]

Originally posted by Ebonclaw
Out of raw curiosity, do you play front or back?

there is a magic thing called a pm:eek:

[nick_reith]

Originally posted by tippmannkidd
dude go wit the m98 because its way more upgradible. look below
98c e-bolt
98c rt
98c comp-air system
Barrel Adapters
Barrels
Trigger Upgrades
Drop Forward/Tank Adapters
Expansion Chambers
Fire Power Upgrades
Grips
Stocks
Misc
Nitrogen Accessories
Power Feeds
Rear Velocity Adjusters
Regulators
Side/Rear Cocking Systems
www.tippmann.com L@@K
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tippmann 98c
flatline barrel
halo b (rip drive soon)
30 mm red dot scope


First of all you can put your gun setup in your signiture so you don't have type it everytime.
Second name one thing on your list that spyders can't have. I see two things and the really aren't that great anyway.
the response trigger isn't that awesome I would much rather have an electro trigger.
The power feed which I would rather have vertical but if you wanted it you could buy an old school spyder body and put the power feed on that.
So actually I only see one thing on there that you can't get for a spyder and I think someone modifyed a spyder for a rt anyway awhile back.

[BigTarget04]

Originally posted by tippmannkidd
dude go wit the m98 because its way more upgradible. look below



98c e-boltdont need with spyder
98c rtget same effect with eframe and its not illegal at most fields
98c comp-air systemjust need tank for spyders, no air system upgrades needed
Barrel Adapters dont need for spyder since there are a ton more barrels made with spyder threads than tippy threads


Barrelscan get for pretty much any gun

Trigger Upgradesyet again eframe and its legal


Drop Forward/Tank Adaptersunimounts are better IMO and one doesnt need to waste money for this part on a spyer either


Expansion Chamberscan also get for spyder and do not need adapters to use them

Fire Power Upgrades T-board, nough said


Grips yet again made for spyders as well


Stocksyet again available for pretty much any gun

Misc same as above


Nitrogen Accessoriesyet again just have to buy tank and screw it in for spyder no other pointless overpriced items needed here either


Power Feedsvertical are better and power feeds also are available on older model spyders

Rear Velocity Adjusters hey spyders come with this IMAGINE that


Regulatorsyet again spyders can use these too and without any sort of adapters required


Side/Rear Cocking Systems and one more time spyders come with this or can be moded so they use another cocking style

www.tippmann.com L@@K


So to end my massive red tide corrections spyders are just as upgradeable if not more than tippys. And guess what else, it generally costs alot less to upgrade a spyder than a tippman.

[amzng_spyderman]

Originally posted by tippmannkidd
dude go wit the m98 because its way more upgradible. look below
98c e-bolt spyders have electronic frames, which are just as effective and much cheaper
98c rt illegal at most fields
98c comp-air system spyders accept compressed air without upgrades
Barrel Adapters barrel adapters are always bad
Barrels spyders have just as many barrels, and sometimes they're cheaper
Trigger Upgrades spyders have e-frames, new switches, new boards, etc... what does a tippmann have?
Drop Forward/Tank Adapters of course spyders have those too
Expansion Chambers expansion chambers are less effective than anti-siphoned tanks, but spyders can still have them
Fire Power Upgrades you mean velocity? that's illegal and dangerous. balls per second? spyders have e-frames
Grips mech spyders accept .45 grips
Stocks spyders accept stocks
Misc what?
Nitrogen Accessories you mean a reg? spyders accept those too
Power Feeds nobody uses those any more, vert feed replaced them
Rear Velocity Adjusters spyders come stock with those
Regulators like i said, spyders accept regs
Side/Rear Cocking Systems spyders are already either rear or side cocking

did you copy and paste that list, or did you actually put thought into it? you have made absolutely no positive points for the m98.

edit - curses. beaten to the punch :dodgy:

[Eladamri]

Originally posted by Ebonclaw
Out of raw curiosity, do you play front or back?

For Three man I play back, for 5 man I play an aggressive mid.

Everybody puts too much focus into which is better, Tippmann or Spyder/clone. In the end they are both low end markers that perform very well. The Tippmann costs more but is extremely well made and able to take abuse. The Victor II and Imagine are much better bang for the buck markers that require slightly more maintance. Upgrade paths are pretty much the same for both Spyders and Tippmanns so that really isn't a big factor. Get the marker that feels better to you but the Imagine would be my recommendation if you plan on playing alot of speedball. In the woods you really won't notice the speed difference but it can be helpfull on the speedball course. I just don't like the feel of stacked tube markers, but that personal preference.

[Ebonclaw]

Originally posted by gnr rocker


there is a magic thing called a pm:eek:

I'm well aware of that, but Eladamri just answered my question to prove my point. You don't play front with a Tippmann. Back or mid I can see, but front? Waaaay too big.

Eladamri is correct thoguh, pick the one that feels best for you, though, like he said, the Imagine is reccomended for speedball. The faster trigger and smaller gun are nice to have.
Though some peeps just don't like stacked tube.


Meh. Tipmmannkidd got pwned.:laugh:

[th3man]

98cs are great for woodsball and can take a serious amount of damage, imagines shoot really fast and burn 5 times as much money on paint.

You're always safe with a 98c...in my opinion

[Eladamri]

Originally posted by Ebonclaw
I'm well aware of that, but Eladamri just answered my question to prove my point. You don't play front with a Tippmann. Back or mid I can see, but front? Waaaay too big.

For the record, I play back because I'm old, fat, and slow, not because of my marker. Wait a minute, is that really a good thing? Anyway, I'm back to prove my point, The HUGE size of the 98 is vastly over-exaggerated. Because I own way to many markers I decided to do some measurements based on the length of the marker including a 68/3000 Nitroduck tank with a Redz cover. For the measurements I stood the markers upright and aligned their barrels with a door frame. With the barrels pointing straight up and level across the top, I measured the markers.
The Contestants:
1. Mokal Titan with stock 8.75 inch barrel.
2. Smart Parts Impulse with horizontal reg and 12 inch Progressive.
3. Smart Parts Ion with Check it Unimount and 12 inch Progressive.
4. AGD Minimag with 14 Inch Dye SS.
5. Stock 98 custom with Stock 8.5 inch barrel(not pictured).
6. My Model 98 with 5.5 Inch Drop and 14 inch Dye Xcel.
7. Spyder Shutter with Stock drop and 14 inch Dye Boomstick.

Sorry I left the 98c out of the picture, I forgot I had one here, I'm storing it for a friend in the army.

The results may be suprising for some, but my 98 as set up is actually shorter then the Spyder. Anyway, enjoy.
http://members.cox.net/tuffdogpaintball/paintball%20pictures/Marker-Lineup.jpg
Edit: Table updated

[BigTarget04]

Originally posted by Eladamri


For the record, I play back because I'm old, fat, and slow, not because of my marker. Wait a minute, is that really a good thing? Anyway, I'm back to prove my point, The HUGE size of the 98 is vastly over-exaggerated. Because I own way to many markers I decided to do some measurements based on the length of the marker including a 68/3000 Nitroduck tank with a Redz cover. For the measurements I stood the markers upright and aligned their barrels with a door frame. With the barrels pointing straight up and level across the top, I measured the markers.
The Contestants:
1. Mokal Titan with stock 8.75 inch barrel.
2. Smart Parts Impulse with horizontal reg and 12 inch Progressive.
3. Smart Parts Ion with Check it Unimount and 12 inch Progressive.
4. AGD Minimag with 14 Inch Dye SS.
5. Stock 98 custom with Stock 8.5 inch barrel(not pictured).
6. My Model 98 with 5.5 Inch Drop and 14 inch Dye Xcel.
7. Spyder Shutter with Stock drop and 14 inch Dye Boomstick.

Sorry I left the 98c out of the picture, I forgot I had one here, I'm storing it for a friend in the army.

The results may be suprising for some, but my 98 as set up is actually shorter then the Spyder. Anyway, enjoy.http://members.cox.net/tuffdogpaintball/paintball%20pictures/Marker-Lengths.jpg

Yes but also notice that with your 98c your hands are further apart when gripping the marker, ergo you cannot get in as compact of a stance as with the spyder.

[newnewbie]

Imagine


VVV(cough*Im selling*cough)

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

Originally posted by Eladamri
Everybody puts too much focus into which is better, Tippmann or Spyder/clone. In the end they are both low end markers that perform very well.That has been my opinion for a while, and someone has now put it into words for me. The reason I prefer spyders is because of its design (grip spacing and a few other minor points) and its cost. Spyders cost less initially (at least the ones I would get) and are usually cheaper to upgrade. I never have really compared thier 'performance' per se, since they aren't that different.

[Ebonclaw]

Keep in mind the Spyder's barrel is longer, not to mention it has a drop on it.
Oh well, personal prefrence. I just cna't snapshoot to save my life with a Tippy is all.