i want a avenger should i get it

[SMOKEYMCPOT]

are avengers and tritons the same

[Candlewick]

I have never actually seen a Triton. I personaly havent shot any of the BE over-unders. What is the pricetag?

[Cerberust]

if your looking for an under 100 dollar compact marker, i would check out the PMI Tracer S/A , its got better reviews then avenger, will hold up betterm and is a decent gun for the same price as the avenger.

[RRdmx77]

Don't get the avenger. Either get a Spyder compact 2000 with bottomline or save $25 more and get a Tippman 98 custom.

[ds613]

Originally posted by RRdmx77
Don't get the avenger. Either get a Spyder compact 2000 with bottomline or save $25 more and get a Tippman 98 custom.

Yes, get a spyder c2k.

[MikeBE]

The Avenger is every bit as good as a spyder compact 2000, its less money and you don't have to pay $30 shipping & handling.

[Paintballbabe]

Ok here are some comments.
1) cheapest avenger i have seen is 99 (though i haven't look much cause i already have a spyder se)while the compact 2000 goes for as little as 82.75
2)shipping should only be 8-15 unless you live otside the 48 contiguous states.
3) I have shot the avenger and it is very nice. and after quite awhile the guy who bought it has had 0 problems. If you like it get it.
4)there are MANY more mods available for the compact 2000
5)Do not buy a tracer sa or bblack maxx i have seen nothing but trouble from them. (even the new ones after the recall)
6)i don't know about the triton and avenger relationship, but it would not be the first time two different named markers were actually the same. for ex look at the enigma/sharc/xenon markers


personally id go for the compact because the red will stick out in the woods and there are more mods for the compact.

[jawpaul]

I recomend a PMI Tracer S/A if you are not planning on making any upgrades besides a barrel.
If you want more upgradablility then get a spyder.
THe Tracer S/A is a very reliable & tough gun that is compact, light weight, and has a good rate of fire (easily outfeeds my VL200).
IMO for $75 or less the tracer s/a is a great deal.

[MikeBE]

Actually I believe the Avenger to be built off of ViewLoader specs,
take a look at the VL Revelation.. its the same body as the Avenger, mind you it has a nicer barrel....

[tonythepizzaman]

no don't spend 100 on a avenger you should get any kind of spyder they are great.

[Paintballbabe]

yes the avenger and triton are the same.

[HaZrD Boy 00]

the avenger is a great gun i have had mine for 4 months and no problems just dont use BE paint, BE paint works for some guns but for the avengeri recommend using diablo ... you should get it its gooood ...

[tonythepizzaman]

i didn't bash avengers i just said you can get much better things for the money much better.

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F/X sto cocker




by the way i don't like them and i do bash them often
but didn't here

[Silent Knight]

Originally posted by Paintballbabe
yes the avenger and triton are the same.

there's your answer

[SGT BiGGiE]

a spyder has more upgradeability?hmm avenger comes rear cocking stock(spyder c2k if you choose to go recocking need rear cocking bolt and site rail,money there)no regulator or x-chamber will go on the spyder that wont go on the avenger,in fact it is easier to upgrde an avenger because for a drop forward you dont gotta look for one made for spyders and you dont need the adapter for one,barrels,well they take the same barrels too,so the spyder is not more upgradable,only if you wanna go with a elcd frame,which ya never know if one will be made for the be line as the popularity grows

[tonythepizzaman]

they are not rear cocking they just need an adapter big deal avengers are side cocking last time i checked bud. and spyders don't break paint like some BE guns i know and try to put a spyder barrel on an avenger and i lauph in your face they break paint even worse.

[SGT BiGGiE]

yeah,i was thinkin of the genesis for some reason,and be guns dont break any more pint then any other gun out there,and according to VL(who makes a rather nice spyder barrel form what i have heard)the avenger and genesis take spyder threads,so my turn to laugh in your face HAHAF-IN HA

[Shazaam]

Get a tippmann Model98 custom... I believe, and I know other people know that this gun is much better then a spyder 2000. And it comes with a bottom line and a cvx valve system, which prevents velocity drop due to bottle chilling. All you really need to upgrade on a tippmann's workhorse reliablility is the barrell...I woulnt get a flatline. get a j&j ceramic or lapco bigshot or somthing thats not stock..

[noggins_1500]

I would not get an avenger over a spyder 2000 youll kick yourself for that. Spyder is a good reliable company but BE is not really known for good products. (im not trying to bash, but ask anyone). I have used all the BE markers but the sabre and i must say i do not like them much. I would ONLY go with BE if you dont play much at all or have little money. the one BE gun i like is the talon cuz its the only gun just about EVERYONE can afford. Since you can afford it, definatley get a tippmann or a spyder, from personal experience they are in most ways better. By the way, the avenger is SIDE COCKING and does NOT take ex. chambers without adaptors (good luck finding some).

[SGT BiGGiE]

the adapter your speaking of is sold for the same purpose on original spyders

[specter542]

get a 98c. i had the avenger, and it broke the bay after i got it !!!!:pissed: :pissed: :pissed: i was :pissed:
here is a pic of the long forgot avenger
-sPecTer

[specter542]

my gun now:
my barrel is off. read my gun credentials at the bottom:
:freak: :atten: :atten: :atten:

[tonythepizzaman]

sgt biggie have you ever shot a be gun cmon i'm just trying to help this kid and your going on telling him to get an AVENGER man you suck they break paint like hell/they just plain break they are 60 precent plastic they leak air slower trigger pull than the spyder dent like crazy terrible accuracy because the bolt sucks try to replace that my friend. lol in your face and i don't care anymore i have a nice f/x sto cocker if you want to play in a tourney with me your favorite avenger vs my cocker duked out i hate to think what i would do to you. lol in your face. dude who asked the question get the spyder for the same price they are much better trust me the avenger will break and leave you very mad

[tonythepizzaman]

just look at the ratings on pbreview lol again avenger better than spyder hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Paintball360]

I would go with a Spyder instead of the avenger.

[Shadow221]

hey pizza guy, you're an ione of the only almost all metal be guns. only the triger frame is plastic(i think) also most the the PBreview.com reviews(especially for be guns) are meaningless. BE bashers are constantly giving even good be products like the avenger and be paint(great paint )bad reviewss

[Shazaam]

Well a guy i know owns this gun, and another guy i know owns the genesis. From what I seen this one day his avenger was performing good, but he did have a few breaks (using be paint) And he loved the accurracy it had...and well he shot me with it and it kinda hurt (i was using a slingshot at the time) But i dont know how eazy it is on gas, how durable it is or anything. BUt I personally wouldn't trust BE products.

[SGT BiGGiE]

tony,i have a talon thats worked flawless for 2 years,stingray thats never had a problem,a discontinued eagle 68,and a be rainmaker,the rainmaker has one plastic part,the trigger,and that was mainly ont he model i got,and on liek the talon and blade,whats inside is metal,and thats what counts,i've seen some avengers perform,and they are rather nice if i do say so myself

[tonythepizzaman]

sure dude if you want to go on playing with be guns what is gonna stop me my first guns were talon/stingray then an avenger then my spyder now my cocker everyone has to start somewhere i guess you will be moving up soon too.

[SGT BiGGiE]

why do i need to move up?,i talk to a guy who uses his RM over his cocker,mag,shocker and angel,with he galeforce in it you can easily get 14bps in semi auto with a 1mm trigger

[tonythepizzaman]

once again it sounds like a fun game to play your team dang not many people have the braves enouph to play in a tourney with a way over priced ugly ball breaking gun. dude good luck you will need it. 14 bps woopdie doo my cocker can get 22 with the warp feed on it woopdie doo.

[SGT BiGGiE]

i've only seen one cocker able to break 13bps,how the hell do you shoot 22?,no f-in way possible,and my team as of now consist on my rm/rebel tandem(right now rebel while the rm is getting work done on it)an RT mag,a regualr mag,electro spyder(still got an electro trigger),and an inferno(which i have ripped a hopper through faster then another team's captain could do with his sto),ohh and rainmakers dont really chop unless ya got 6 month old diablo,eventually when i get around to getting an adjustable lpr it can cycle at 50 psi,and even at the near 100 i can put my finger in the feed tube with it on full auto and it dont hurt at all

[tonythepizzaman]

50 psi my *** no gun shoots that not even an angel so go home and try that one again my sto will rip you apart where do you live i really want to play you. maybe where you are the comption sucks or something but you can keep up with a rebel whoooo no way to keep up here you need something a bit better than that you are not sponsored with that stuff are u.?????? lol yeah 22 pbs you read it right i dont know what upgrades he has onhis sto but you need a palmer 3 way or better and a warp feed.





rainmaker.......................lol............... .........50psi.................................... .................................................. .........................................lol...... ..................my asss.......go home.......

[SGT BiGGiE]

ok,should have clearified,50 psi COCKING pressure,and i am sponsored by my pro shop,and a palmer 3-way?,if i'm not mistaken a bomb is the shortest,i will ask a custom cocker expert is 22bps is possible on a cocker,oh i almost forgot,i live in orlando,come on down around world cup,i am plannin on playin it with my RM.

[tonythepizzaman]

there are tons of 3 ways i just like my palmer. any way no gun can even cock at 50 my bros angel cocks at 100 shoots at 50 more some impulses are better i'll believe 100 because i admit i don't know or understand everything about paintball. but dude his angels upgraded and cockers upgraded can shoot very fast i believe the timers and counters i've used warp feed must be emphasised. but i do know for sure rainmakers sound like stingrays with lcd triggerframes i've been checking it out.

[Silent Knight]

there are guns that cycle at 50psi. and the free flow autococker is a perfect example, 35psi. And 22bps on an autococker is just not possible. there is no way an autococker will cycle that fast, and still be able to shoot paint without chopping at 22bps. you are crossing the limit when you hit upwards of 13bps on a cocker.

[SGT BiGGiE]

Originally posted by tonythepizzaman
there are tons of 3 ways i just like my palmer. any way no gun can even cock at 50 my bros angel cocks at 100 shoots at 50 more some impulses are better i'll believe 100 because i admit i don't know or understand everything about paintball. but dude his angels upgraded and cockers upgraded can shoot very fast i believe the timers and counters i've used warp feed must be emphasised. but i do know for sure rainmakers sound like stingrays with lcd triggerframes i've been checking it out.

the rainmaker cocks a lot like a cocker,mack opens when it shoots the ram closes pulling the bolt up when the ball is fired the mac closes pushing the ram back to recock,dont take a lot to accuate the ram

[tonythepizzaman]

alright i can see that if a rainmaker works at all like a cocker than its a nice *** gun. accuracy is nice to with the system they have going . my gun is still better performance wise. but it better be with 1500 in it while yours costs what 450 wich is way over priced cause you just cant upgrade it like you can upgrade other guns.

[specter542]

ok listen up airheads,
BE is ther Ford of paintball. like Ford, brass eagle has paved the way with inexpensive marker the inexperienced player who are just new to the sport. and like Ford, BE is basically a monopoly. they Own JT, and Viewloader. VL makes the best electric hoppers, and JT makes the BEST MASKS! well VL and Ricochet make g00d hoopers. BE has let the young players become introduced to the game, you have to give them credit for that now c`mon.!! i mean, i bet most of u guys own something by BE whether it be a BE mask, a Jt mask, or a VL product.
BE doesn't have the BEST product line, but the TALON and STINGRAYII are probably the koolest guns when upgraded. who doesnt a want a talon or stingrayII?
STING WITH PRIDE EVERYONE!!
-sPecTer, previous BE owner.

[SGT BiGGiE]

Originally posted by tonythepizzaman
alright i can see that if a rainmaker works at all like a cocker than its a nice *** gun. accuracy is nice to with the system they have going . my gun is still better performance wise. but it better be with 1500 in it while yours costs what 450 wich is way over priced cause you just cant upgrade it like you can upgrade other guns.

i paid 150 for mine,i admit the stock reg sucks,i woked the kinks out from horrible previous owner but useing straight co2 seized the reg up so bad it wont work at all,so sending it out because i dont work on regs,with a mag adapter and new main reg,flat back block or gutted stock reg,new LRP,delrin bolt,galeforceboard,turbo valve,maybe a skull feed syster(its a sleeve that goes over the very feed and looks liek a big skul)or a new vert adapter for looks,and some milling and a ne wbarrel,can have a kick *** gun,to explain the operating best i can here we go:the bolt carrier and hammer luock above the trigger liek a blade or talon,when the trigger it pulled it releases the seat ont he hammer and the mac valve opens,the hammer goes back to open the valve at the same time the bolt is forward and sealing off the barrel to shoot,then the mac closes and pushes the bolt back where it meets back up with the hammer,i got some pic of rather sweet rm's(and one that the owner uses over a shocker cocker angel and his rt mag when he had the rt)

[shinnycocker]

22bps from a cocker LMAO! I am luckey to hit 8bps with a freeflow with a trigger job!

[shinnycocker]

you need a palmer 3 way or better and a warp feed.

Attention all cocker owners if you want a gun that outshoots any Electro and can hit 22bps, Just buy a $40 3-way and around $150 on a used warp. LMAO!! His post are making me pee my pants!!

[SGT BiGGiE]

i use a rebel basic with upgrade for woodsball and last i knew 888 had a deal with the rebel basic for 85 and free case of paint,dont know if they still do or not

[RRdmx77]

They stopped offering the free case of paint on 12/31/01.

[SGT BiGGiE]

ohh well,85 for a rebel is still a good price/performance pay out along witht he customer service i have gotten for 32,plus now they offer that kick *** purple milled rebel for the same price

[PaintballPimp01]

Brass Eagle has brought many new players into the sport, there is no debate there. And I know how nice it is to just walk into your local Wal-Mart, hold a gun and walk out with your shiny new toy. Convienent huh? Well at least it is untill you're gun breaks because Brass Eagle still refuses to correct the fatal flaw in the Raptor, a flaw that has been carried over into the Avenger. I speak of course of the connecting pin, the crucial piece that connects the bolt to the striker and for years has had a reputation for breaking mid-game, turning your marker into a short lived uncontrolable full-auto hazard! And if that isnt bad enough, then there is BE's customer service!!! Not fun!

Here are some great alternatives to the Avenger, quality guns that won't leave ya hanging (in paranthesis is what barrel type each gun takes)!

- PMI Piranha BL VF or any model higher (*Spyder)
- ACI Griffin BL (*F4/Griffin/Pro-lite/Pro-Carbine)
- Tippmann 98 Custom (*Model 98)

Notice I have left out Spyders, because they have off-set bottomline adapters and metric threading, everyone else uses in-line bottomlines and standard threading. Any gun that does not, will just become a hastle when you decide to upgrade.

I could offer much more insight and help, but don't want to consume any more of the forums than I already have. Please feel free to contact me personally anytime. For these and other great deals check out www.paintballgear.com

[camoman5000]

well, my friend recently got an avenger from wal-mart. they aren't that bad of guns, but you could get a lot better

[HaZrD Boy 00]

Originally posted by Shadow221
hey pizza guy, you're an ione of the only almost all metal be guns. only the triger frame is plastic(i think) also most the the PBreview.com reviews(especially for be guns) are meaningless. BE bashers are constantly giving even good be products like the avenger and be paint(great paint )bad reviewss

Nothing is Plastic on the avenger !! not one dame peice !!
Including the trigger frame .,.

[tonythepizzaman]

trigger, nubbin, cocking thing wich is terrible cause ya gonna break it and tons of other problems inside the gun don't mean to be picky but your wrong sorry :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[HaZrD Boy 00]

Are youtalkin to me aboutthe plastic thing... cuz i have an avenger and nothing is plastic !!!! Trust me !

[SGT BiGGiE]

i have personally not been inside an avenger but what internally can be plastic that isnt on other guns?

[Mcot]

Do B.E. markers still have those horid "connecting pins" I had a silver eagle for like two months and had nothing but trouble. Finally I sent it back and got a spyder. I personally woul not get anything B.E. or veiwloader anymore after my experaience with brass eagle.

[Silent Knight]

yep they still got that connecting pin. Although it's not as bad as it was on the raptor, always breaking, really annoying! Doesn't happen as much as it used to on the Raptor though, but still happens from time to time.

[Blazestorm]

Do not buy a traccer!

From normal use and proper care of using a traccer for only 4 months, my friends traccer broke... The bolt snapped in half and shot out through the barrel and hit a man in the leg... it gave him a bruise and he said it felt like a paintball going 400 fps !

My friend now has a broken traccer he keeps in his room and he went out an bought a pump... Maverick deluxe... he tricked it out and is doing really good with it... it does have an auto trigger and its hilarious watching our teammates go "huh" when they see him pulling the pump about 6 times per second...

Anyway... The traccer is a cheap gun... 95% of the parts are plastic... which are unsafe for paintball in my opinion... Enjoy whatever marker you buy... Brass Eagle is not a bad company they make Beginner guns, about 75% of us here on this forum use high end guns... and people bash brass eagle because they don't make high end guns. These guns are not meant to be used in tournaments... I go to my local field and see brass eagle people all the time... with bright blue tritons with blue hoppers and blue masks... it looks odd when they are wearing camo... but the guns are decent... not much different than a spyder or piranha... btw

No Blowback is better than a spyder... know why? Because the Spyder is the Blow Back!

Erm I have influenza so I'm typing this random post for no reason... so um mods... delete this if you wish...

[CrazyB]

I think the pizza man is in pre school or something, considering the fast shooting guns are either the Emags or the Matrix, not even an electro cocker can get more then 16bps, and most top out at around 13bps, but then again 3 ways are the only piece in a gun that determines how fast it shoots. Also Rainmakers suck because they are electropnuematic guns based on a lot of the same principles that cockers are based on, so we can assume that cockers suck right? Now Avengers are decently quality guns, my friend had one and it seem to work well, not amazing, but well. I would go with a VL genisis because for like $20 or $30 more you get rear cocking and expansion chamber.

[big_dog]

I posted this on another topic, but it seems like a good one for this topic.

I'm new to this sport and just got an "Avenger" for my birthday. From all my research and going to the local paintball shop, it seems like I can upgrade my gun with almost any kind of aftermarket accessory. Granted this gun doesn't have all the bells and whistle that the others come with but it seems like a pretty solid, STANDARD ISSUE gun. Easy to take apart, easy to clean, basically no bull get the job done type.

When visiting the pball shop I looked at the expansion chambers. They definately fit my gun. So that will be an upgrade in the future along with a new longer barrel. I bought 200 balls went through all of them without one breaking. We'll see what happens in battle though.

[Azmodon]

3 years later and all these people saying anything over 16 bps on a cocker are sitting quietly as OSIRIS's and E2's are owning them at ... well.. Osiris goes 36 BPS, but, even the halo can't keep up with that.. it has problems feeding a consistant 20 bps, let alone the advertised 22 LOL. warp all the way

[!!!DOOOM!!!]

Dont get an avenger!!!!!!!!!!! its made by brass eagle (the fats). the only good thing about the avenger is u can shoot around corners.

[John Sullivan]

Originally posted by Candlewick
I have never actually seen a Triton. I personaly havent shot any of the BE over-unders. What is the pricetag?

my friend has a triton.they suck theyre brass eagle clones.

[antmanrulez]

get a spyder imagine LED digital it has alot of upgrades and is accurate jst get a new deliron bolt and ur good to go the barrel is good not a single chop.i tried full auto no chop but i use the respnse trigger.

[antmanrulez]

my halo keeps up with 40 bps becuze i got a new disc and stuff so now its lighter and faster.