whats with this hatred between spyder + tippy ???

[CJ101]

I have visited both the spyder + tippy forums and there seems to be a lot of rivalry/hatred. am getting a marker for the first time and have been rather put off about buying from either company.what is it with this, why do you appear to hate each other so much ?

which is better by the way ? :confused:

[Phathed]

Well since u asked in the Tippmann forum then there a lot of people (like 100%) are going to say that Tippmann is better.

[CJ101]

Originally posted by Phathed
Well since u asked in the Tippmann forum then there a lot of people (like 100%) are going to say that Tippmann is better.

I suppose, stupid question really

[Ultran00b]

It's like a "Honda vs Yugo" thing.
I use a m98 and I've only been playing a year or so, so its similiar to a taste great less filling rant.

While the $800+ marker folks just shake their heads.

I just ignore it.

[John Sullivan]

these usually get closed.i dont really hate spyders.i have an old tl+ and it was ok.i like the feel of a my a5 though.look in the noobie forum and there is a sticky on this.

[Phathed]

I have a Spyder SE and it's cool and all but it doesn't work.

[John Sullivan]

whats an se?

[Coenen]

It stands for "Special Edition", it came with an actual expansion chamber insteada one of the crappy "mini-expansions", double trigger w/ no guard, a hardline bottom line from ASA to X-chamber, and camoflauge anodizing.

The rivalry is there, b/c both are good entry level markers. Thussly, both aquired their respective zealots and fanboys, hence the rivalry. Both markers have since found their respective niches within the market. Tippmanns are very popular for woodsball and scenario, while Spyders, especially the electric ones, have gained popularity on speedball fields. The Tippmann Spyder rivalry is now significantly less tense than it used to be.

[Phathed]

:tup:

[HurleyHero67]

It's normally only a rivalry between people who don't know what they're talking about. It's well-known that if you're going to be playing speedball more, the Spyder is a clearly superior choice, and vice versa. You get these "rivalries" between fanboys on both sides who don't bother looking at their respective marker's strengths and weaknesses, they just assume theirs is better.

[cdacda13]

Its because both companies (tippmann and kingman) compete for the low end/ beginner gun marker.

I dont hate kingman, some of thier markers are really good for speedball.

[whatsuplp]

well i do hate kingman and i'll tell you why.
four friends with spyders. all broken. one of them had two e-99's that both broke.
the other with a compact deluxe
the other with two imagines
and the other with an imagine
i've had two tippmann's and they both are still in perfect working order, one of them is the oldest pro-lite i have ever seen, and i've thrown them in streets.
spyders are just made with 0 quality whatsoever. they're worthless.
if they work, they're cool though.

[John Sullivan]

ok i know they break down more than tippmanns but come on.that many broken.thats unrealistiic.that or your friends have extremely hard times taking care of their junk:laugh:

[whatsuplp]

hey...
i'm dead serious about that.
i dunno about my other friends, but the one with two e-99's takes great care of his and they both broke. my other friends might have been bad with them though. i dunno.

[buzzboy]

It all depends on what you own. I own a tippy and therefore think that its better(even though it is:D )

[chugalug]

Ok, here's my take on things. Tippmanns are a lot more durable than Kingmans, but Kingmans generally shoot faster than Tippmanns. Tippmanns cost more to go electric, but Kingman electrics don't stand a chance against a Tippmann electro. It's plain and simple, just choose which features you want and go from there. Don't start running your mouth off about stuff you haven't researched. I prefer a Tippmann, but I have nothing against Kingmans. They are very good entry level markers, but I need a durable, black marker for woodsball. If I only played speedball, I'd probably own a Kingman. It's not hard to understand. Different markers have different strengths and weaknesses. That's just something you have to live with.

[TippmannPhreak]

Originally posted by whatsuplp
well i do hate kingman and i'll tell you why.
four friends with spyders. all broken. one of them had two e-99's that both broke.
the other with a compact deluxe
the other with two imagines
and the other with an imagine
i've had two tippmann's and they both are still in perfect working order, one of them is the oldest pro-lite i have ever seen, and i've thrown them in streets.
spyders are just made with 0 quality whatsoever. they're worthless.
if they work, they're cool though.

Don't say things that aren't true.

[Coenen]

/\/\ :agree: /\/\

You can blame Kingman's QC all you want, but the truth is that the VAST majority of problems that ALL decent (not BE or Winchester etc.) markers experience are due to user error or improper maintenance.

Your friends shouldn't be playing paintball if they are unable to properly maintain a Spyder.

[JasonFeralli]

Originally posted by chugalug
It's not hard to understand. Different markers have different strengths and weaknesses. That's just something you have to live with.

Right, Tippmann 98's have a very large distance b/n the trigger and the foregrip. Not ideal for speedball. Kingmans have very small guns. Good for tight bunkers on the speedball feild. It depends where you're going to start paintballing...in the woods, or on the feild. Another andvantage of the 98 in the woods is that it's black. Kingmans are ok in the woods but I'd rather play with a black or camo gun in the woods.

[milkmanx91]

ok...u said u havent got a gun yet right??? well then.......if your planning on upgrading the gun you are going to buy...get a tippmann all the way. However, if you are just planning on getting your first marker just to play with a bit and get used to paintballing..i would go with a spyder imagine. And then buy a higher end gun later..


get a spyder imagine if ur not planning on upgrading

get a tippmann if ur planning on upgrading

[devilnevel]

i personally dont think it would b good to start with an imagine right of the bat. then u have to buy an electric hopper and u will learn more skill with a semi or pump first anyway. try out the new custom pros b/c they come with a better barrel, 2x trigger, and drop. or try a spyder xtra. then just buy a new barrel for either gun and u will b set for a while.

[John Sullivan]

thats right.if i started with an electro i would have screwed everything up.it was hard enough for me with a mech.mechs should come first.

[Emerica22]

tippy's are better spyders suck and break down easy

[ips518]

i just started playin 2 nd used my a5 w pesponce trigger 4 da first time yesterday. i loved it sum o da oder people there had to stop 4 a few hours nd rent a gun bc their spiders broke my tippmann shot alot faster than the e99 i played against so not all spiders shoot faster

[yakitori]

You will see that its not just tippy vs. spyders.....its "my gun is better than your gun" throughout the ENTIRE paintball community. Well, there are a minority of unbiased ppl who could care less. Most ppl brag about thier equipment as being the best because, well......they own it, so it must be the best there is. Right? wrong.

Most of paintball is preference. Its like cars, and options on cars. Not everyone likes the same thing, not every equipment fits everyone the same either. Plain and simple. Its okay for anyone to shoot what they want and wear what they want, but its not the case most of the time. Its usually bashing others, and making fun of what others have on because for some stupid reason that nobody can pinpoint. I dont know why, nobody does. I guess its human nature to dispute and confront and justify your own actions.

I dont care personally. I shoot, wear, play how I want. Everyone just has to deal w/ their own decisions. :)

[senghing27]

Amen to that my Brotha....

[SEAL34]

Hey John! You're back! Or are you at the hotel? I used to have a Spyder Compact Deluxe. I like Tippys better because they are more reliable and more upgradable. I wouldn't use the word 'hatred' to describe the freindly rivalry between us. We all have to stick together to keep this sport alive!

[Coenen]

Originally posted by SEAL34
I like Tippys better because they are more reliable and more upgradable. I wouldn't use the word 'hatred' to describe the freindly rivalry between us. We all have to stick together to keep this sport alive! This was quite dead...it could be worse I suppose.

I do feel the urge to point out that the Spyder is in fact just as upgradeable if not more than the Tippmann. You can change out everything on a Spyder, right down to new bodies and Spimmy conversions and all of that jazz.

Tippmann's ultra-upgradeability is more hype than anything else. Their EASE of upgrading is what makes them nice.

[Hmmm Donut]

Originally posted by chugalug
Ok, here's my take on things. Tippmanns are a lot more durable than Kingmans, but Kingmans generally shoot faster than Tippmanns. Tippmanns cost more to go electric, but Kingman electrics don't stand a chance against a Tippmann electro. It's plain and simple, just choose which features you want and go from there. Don't start running your mouth off about stuff you haven't researched. I prefer a Tippmann, but I have nothing against Kingmans. They are very good entry level markers, but I need a durable, black marker for woodsball. If I only played speedball, I'd probably own a Kingman. It's not hard to understand. Different markers have different strengths and weaknesses. That's just something you have to live with.

Wah? A E-spyder will always be faster than a tippmann with a e-grip.

I love both companies. Hence the fact I own both companies markers. Both companies have their problems, but the fact still remains Spyders give you much more bang for your buck which is why I bought my imagine.

Durability is the most over used, over rated thing in paintball.

[yakitori]

man John, that quote in your sig is hilarious. Its a long sig, but that is a funny quote. :laugh:

[Sore Pancake]

i got a A-5 and a imagine '04

[Meph]

Originally posted by CJ101
... there seems to be a lot of rivalry/hatred.


which is better by the way ? :confused:


Some of it is friendly rivalry like in sports. Some of it's complete ignorance, or immaturity. The worst is when it's a combination of ignorance and immaturity!


You shouldn't be put off by a company due to the zealots that use their equipment. Otherwise people would be put off my Christianity due to some of the things people do in Jesus' name! Oh wait.......



And neither is really 'better." Tippmann is more durable and reliable but Kingman has more volume and flash. They both have plenty of upgrades so that shouldn't be a problem if you choose to later buy new items.

Simply put, get the one that feels more comfortable in your hands. Which should be a Tippmann!

[Dunty]

Originally posted by whatsuplp
well i do hate kingman and i'll tell you why.
four friends with spyders. all broken. one of them had two e-99's that both broke.
the other with a compact deluxe
the other with two imagines
and the other with an imagine
i've had two tippmann's and they both are still in perfect working order, one of them is the oldest pro-lite i have ever seen, and i've thrown them in streets.
spyders are just made with 0 quality whatsoever. they're worthless.
if they work, they're cool though.


Would you mind telling me what was wrong with them?

[zasche]

this is what i pretty much comes down to. Tippy=woodsball
Spyder=speedball

[Sore Pancake]

Originally posted by zasche
this is what i pretty much comes down to. Tippy=woodsball
Spyder=speedball

thats exactly the hatred

[SEAL34]

this is what i pretty much comes down to. Tippy=woodsball
Spyder=speedball

AMEN.

[slaminator3323]

why cant everyone just shelve their pride for once i mean its not even the gun that makes you a good player its how the player uses the gun its like when a newbie comes in with an angel their parents bought them and one of the older guys totally destroys the kid with a pump so IMO its a pointless argument its not even between tippy and spyders its between the players who cant swallow their pride if someone says their gun is better than mine and getting into a pointless argument that leads nowhere just agree with them so they leave u alone because if you argue with the person you show how immature you really are and if you are that immature you shouldnt even own the gun

[AsHaDoW]

i own both and both have performed well for me so far, i've got a spyder imagine, if ur a beginner then either go with a tippmann98c,spyder aggressor,TL-X, or the imagine, both company's are for the most part very good in my opinion, but once every million or so u get a lemon...and i dont really c y people hate on other people b/c of there taste in PB guns...what ever floats ur boat right?very true slam

[John Sullivan]

Teh spammage by upping old threads.:eyes: