Good choice?

[Anchor76]

Well im looking into buying a High end Marker ive already have some thoughts of other guns. I was just wondering if a 2004 BKO is a good decision to move from a spyder to BKO. Also ive read some reviews and that this thing really chops alot of paintballs, if thats true maybe im not going to get it But if i can prevent that wath can i get, a faster hopper or some sort of bolt.

Im not a very rich person but im getting a job sometime this month (i hope......) So i cant buy a marker pretty much above $400. Also does the BKO has to run on HPA? or can it run on Co2?

[n00b123]

The 04 bko does chop so I would recommend you getting a b2k4 for low choppage (has PDS), also bko's run with anti-siphoned co2 but if you do that I would highly recomend getting a palmers stabilizer

[EEric22]

Ion.

[Paintballshurt]

Originally posted by EEric22
Ion.

It was only a matter of time before that was suggested. Personally, I would take the Ion over a b2k4/5 but there will be many differing opinions in this thread. I guarantee it.

[nacnac58]

ions- fully electro-pneumatic
b2k4/5-spring return

'nuff said

[XxxWarheartxxX]

The B2K4 PDS is a fully electro-pneumatic and you should buy it for these reasons


1.)PDS is better than ions break beam

2.)better bolt(A delrin bolt is one of the best)

3.)The feed neck is not so dang tall

4.)it has a better reg

5.)its trigger dosent break in half

6.)it isnt made of plastic

[igota98custom]

Ion, pretty much best deal out now...300 for a gun with eyes and capable of 17 BPS...IMO pretty damn good deal.

[n00b123]

if he gets ion he will probably want a HPA tank which is $200 unless he uses one of those crap $70 ones....

[igota98custom]

So...Just get a cheap one, it'll last him until he has more money for a better tank.

[nacnac58]

Originally posted by XxxWarheartxxX
The B2K4 PDS is a fully electro-pneumatic and you should buy it for these reasons


1.)PDS is better than ions break beam

2.)better bolt(A delrin bolt is one of the best)

3.)The feed neck is not so dang tall

4.)it has a better reg

5.)its trigger dosent break in half

6.)it isnt made of plastic

unless you can give me a pic of an ion trig in two pieces, i wont believe you
last time i checked, icd's were one way air ram operation, with a spring return.
hmmmm, ion is fully electro-pneu, spool valve design
wow, you can change feeds for like 30 bucks, big deal
and for the 143521545th time, who cares if the shell is polymer you could take it off and the gun would still work, it has an aluminum frame. and... new shells are coming out for the ion... aluminum

feel free to respond

on topic: ion

[clown_13_2001]

Originally posted by XxxWarheartxxX
The B2K4 PDS is a fully electro-pneumatic and you should buy it for these reasons


1.)PDS is better than ions break beam

2.)better bolt(A delrin bolt is one of the best)

3.)The feed neck is not so dang tall

4.)it has a better reg

5.)its trigger dosent break in half

6.)it isnt made of plastic

1. Where is the proof?

2. I don't think spool valves can run on delrin bolts, or at least shockers can't.

3. The ION feedneck isn't so tall either.

4. Proof?

5. ION triggers don't break in half either.

6. ION isn't made of plastic either.

The ion is smaller, lighter, has less kick, hardly any blowback, and I chose the ION over the b2k because of these reasons.

Oh yah, the ION has the better board also. :)

EDIT: And ion's can run on a/s co2 fairly well.

[can'tthink of1]

There has been a case of a broken ion trigger by devilstar2k2 or whatever the mod over on pbn is. His broke in half... lol.

Also, the b2k4/5 isn't spring returned, its full electro... you're probably thinking of bko's.

[clown_13_2001]

Originally posted by can'tthink of1
There has been a case of a broken ion trigger by devilstar2k2 or whatever the mod over on pbn is. His broke in half... lol.

Also, the b2k4/5 isn't spring returned, its full electro... you're probably thinking of bko's.

I wonder what he used. :laugh:

[Paintballshurt]

Originally posted by can'tthink of1
There has been a case of a broken ion trigger by devilstar2k2 or whatever the mod over on pbn is. His broke in half... lol.

Also, the b2k4/5 isn't spring returned, its full electro... you're probably thinking of bko's.

That's because the person who shot his trigger had small razors embedded in their paintballs:dodgy:

I saw some pics of a trigger that broke in half on PBN , I think it was his:confused: I'd still say go with an Ion

[XxxWarheartxxX]

Originally posted by clown_13_2001


1. Where is the proof?

2. I don't think spool valves can run on delrin bolts, or at least shockers can't.

3. The ION feedneck isn't so tall either.

4. Proof?

5. ION triggers don't break in half either.

6. ION isn't made of plastic either.

The ion is smaller, lighter, has less kick, hardly any blowback, and I chose the ION over the b2k because of these reasons.

Oh yah, the ION has the better board also. :)


1.)Break Beam isnt as good EVRYBODY knows that

2.)Delrin is miliraty grade it is pretty much a superFly and the ion's bolt is plastic(i think it is polymer wait is polymer )
3.)look at a pic

4.)evry knows the Reg for th ion has problems

5.)all my friends ion's triggers snaped in half cause there made of POLYMER (polymer=plastic)

6.)yes it is POLYMER is a plastic

[nacnac58]

*unsheathes owning stick*

do you seriously think that the ions bolt is plastic??
youve got to be kidding me
what problems have you "heard" about the regs, mine gets +- 5-7
can i see some pics of "all yur friends broken ion trigs"?
whats wrong with the polymer?
are you just jealous because you'll have to spend a couple hundred for anno when an ions body can be swapped out in 5 minutes?

[clown_13_2001]

Originally posted by XxxWarheartxxX



1.)Break Beam isnt as good EVRYBODY knows that

2.)Delrin is miliraty grade it is pretty much a superFly and the ion's bolt is plastic(i think it is polymer wait is polymer )
3.)look at a pic

4.)evry knows the Reg for th ion has problems

5.)all my friends ion's triggers snaped in half cause there made of POLYMER (polymer=plastic)

6.)yes it is POLYMER is a plastic

1. WTF? Aren't ICD eyes break beam also?

2. Ion bolt is aluminum. (there you go, you totally lost everyone's respect)

3. I have an ION and it isn't as tall as some feednecks. and guess what, if you have a problem, buy a new one. :idea:

4. No, everyone doesn't know, because my reg and many other regs for IONS dont have problems. You may be thinking of the shocker's max flo that used to have problems.

5. All of your friends? I doubt you have any. I have yet to see one break, except for that one posted on pbn that I just saw.

6. Ok, tell me what parts are made of plastic on the ION.

And if your hypothesis that plastic, or any alternatives like polymer, breaks all the time, what about glocks and kalishnakovs? I don't see many of those going down...

[comando345]

Everyone is just going to scream ION at you.

Try to shoot a BKO or Bushmaster, if you like it buy one, if not get something else. Do not buy something because a bunch of guys on a forum tell you to, buy what you like.

[XxxWarheartxxX]

5. All of your friends? I doubt you have any

Dude how do you like the word "REPORTED"

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ION'S AND YOU GO OUT AND INSULT ME YOU GOT SOME NERVE

Polymer parts

trigger
body
bolt(i think)

$30 for a feed neck some people dont have that kind of money because they just spent $300 on a GUN

YOU GUYS WITH ION'S ARE SO IGNORANT! THE ION IS A FAD EVRY CHEAP GUN THAT IS GOOD IS A FAD SOON A BETTER GUN FOR CHEAPER WILL COME OUT AND IT WILL BE OVERSHADOWED

Originally posted by can'tthink of1
There has been a case of a broken ion trigger by devilstar2k2 or whatever the mod over on pbn is. His broke in half... lol.

Also, the b2k4 isn't spring returned, its full electro... you're probably thinking of bko's.


polymer is a plastic and plastics break that is the problem with polymer

Ill setell this by saying you can get a USED trix for like $300 on PBN do that the Trix eats bushys and ion's

[clown_13_2001]

Originally posted by XxxWarheartxxX
5. All of your friends? I doubt you have any

Dude how do you like the word "REPORTED"

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ION'S AND YOU GO OUT AND INSULT ME YOU GOT SOME NERVE

Polymer parts

trigger
body
bolt(i think)

$30 for a feed neck some people dont have that kind of money because they just spent $300 on a GUN

YOU GUYS WITH ION'S ARE SO IGNORANT! THE ION IS A FAD EVRY CHEAP GUN THAT IS GOOD IS A FAD SOON A BETTER GUN FOR CHEAPER WILL COME OUT AND IT WILL BE OVERSHADOWED

Originally posted by can'tthink of1
There has been a case of a broken ion trigger by devilstar2k2 or whatever the mod over on pbn is. His broke in half... lol.

Also, the b2k4 isn't spring returned, its full electro... you're probably thinking of bko's.


polymer is a plastic and plastics break that is the problem with polymer

Ill setell this by saying you can get a USED trix for like $300 on PBN do that the Trix eats bushys and ion's

Wow, scared of that reported word.:rolleyes:

trigger=yes
body=no, that is the outer shell, not the body.
bolt=no

If they can afford a 300 dollar marker in the first place, they WILL be able to afford a 30 dollar feedneck. (they have 20 dollar ones also) I, however, am fine with stock.

I didn't buy my ION because it was a fad, I bought it because it outperformed both a bko, b2k, and impulse I shot.

If all plastics break, why are many new things being made with plastic, including real guns and many other things? And if you say all plastics break, then I guess the dmc is a hunk of tnt waiting to explode. :rolleyes:

I agree on the trix, but they may not have eyes, updated boards, they are quite heavy, and some people may not like to buy used.

[XxxWarheartxxX]

1 more reporte and you are banned

usually used guns are upgraded so they probaly do have the new board and all that crap

Some of these people are kids there parents give them birthday money and all they got is $300

most real guns are layered with plastic and metel on the inside

[GranDream]

Originally posted by XxxWarheartxxX

most real guns are layered with plastic and metel on the inside

Kind of like an Ion?

[clown_13_2001]

Originally posted by XxxWarheartxxX
1 more reporte and you are banned

usually used guns are upgraded so they probaly do have the new board and all that crap

Some of these people are kids there parents give them birthday money and all they got is $300

most real guns are layered with plastic and metel on the inside

Yah, sure I will be banned because I am arguing my points.:laugh:

Eh, I could find a used spyder that has no ups. You really need some better insight. And MOST used markers are being sold because there is a problem with the marker.

Well, if they only have 300, they shouldn't buy an ION because they would need a new tank and hopper.

And the ION is layered with plastic and has metal internals.:rolleyes:

[XxxWarheartxxX]

No you can get banned for INSULTING SOMEONE YOU DONT EVEN KNOW

almost all military guns are all metal only some are layered in plastic


Alot of people who are selling there guns are quiting paintball

[Everlight389]

Between the b2k4 and Ion there are ups and downs to each, you should probably decide which you like more. Ion is a spool valve and is smaller, lighter, but capped at 17, while the b2k4 is taller, heavier (2.2 w/o reg/barrel), uncapped, but has no board adjustment.

I wrote a FAQ on this in the high end forums btw... and no, I'm not biased because I have an Ion, I've shot every type of gun (timmys, trixes, angels, everything) and can honestly say that it's very nice.

Both stock regulators properly set get about +-6, so I wouldn't argue that point. Both BB eyes work just fine as well (from what I've heard), and I've put over a case through mine without a chop, so I say that's good enough. Shell is plastic, yeah, but it's a helluva lot easier to clean after taking a gun hit than milled aluminum. Stock trigger, feedneck, and ASA need replaced, but $285 for a spool valve I can't complain about the peripherals much.

Anyways, shoot both if you can, if not make a decision more about where you play and what you want out of the gun, as both are excellent.

My :twocents:

[Anchor76]

Hmmm......Well maybe im going to save up for an Ion, but the looks dont really satisfy me but ill get over it, all that it matter is the performance. O yeah since the Ion can run on A/S Co2 can i just use my remote line since people say it works like a A/S tube?

[Paintballshurt]

Originally posted by Paintballshurt
there will be many differing opinions in this thread. I guarantee it.

Dear lord! It looks like I was right:o I should have also stated that this thread would turn into a flame fest like most of the Ion vs. *insert marker* threads have.

Anchor, your best bet would be just to get the tank itself Anti-siphoned. That would be better than using a remote with it. You could pick up a HPA tank for cheap if you got a steel 45/ 3000 or 45/4500. You can find either one of those sizes for under 100 dollars.

[Sheps]

Originally posted by XxxWarheartxxX

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ION'S AND YOU GO OUT AND INSULT ME YOU GOT SOME NERVE

Polymer parts

trigger
body
Wrong, the body is aluminum with a plastic shell over it, big difference.

bolt(i think)
Wrong, it's aluminum.

$30 for a feed neck some people dont have that kind of money because they just spent $300 on a GUN
Or they bought their gun from RCX for $250 (or whatever he's charging now) and spent the leftover on a new feed neck ;)

YOU GUYS WITH ION'S ARE SO IGNORANT!
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ION'S AND YOU GO OUT AND INSULT ME YOU GOT SOME NERVE Don't you just love hipocracy?

THE ION IS A FAD EVRY CHEAP GUN THAT IS GOOD IS A FAD
So we should resign ourselves to horribly made and extremely overpriced guns to be "rebellious"?

SOON A BETTER GUN FOR CHEAPER WILL COME OUT AND IT WILL BE OVERSHADOWED
But in the meantime...

There has been a case of a broken ion trigger by devilstar2k2 or whatever the mod over on pbn is. His broke in half... lol.
Probability says this kind of think will happen every now and then. The important part is that this doesn't happen often (to my knowledge).

Also, the b2k4 isn't spring returned, its full electro... you're probably thinking of bko's.
I'll check.

polymer is a plastic and plastics break that is the problem with polymer
And why is it that bulletproof vests are made of polymers again? How about DMC's? Or Glocks? Don't just accuse it of being weak because of the "plastic is weak" stereotype.

Ill setell this by saying you can get a USED trix for like $300 on PBN do that the Trix eats bushys and ion's.
But not everyone is in the mood to buy a Matrix.
1 more reporte and you are banned
Maybe you should leave that descision for the mods?

usually used guns are upgraded so they probaly do have the new board and all that crap
Whether it works is the question.

Some of these people are kids there parents give them birthday money and all they got is $300
Which is why you should look for rcxpaintball's ION thread in the BST forum and see if he's still selling them really cheap.

most real guns are layered with plastic and metel on the inside
Like the ION?
That brutal E-beating being done and over with, I would like to say that the ION, Diablo Wrath, and the B2K with PDS are all good "budget" guns. And your remote line will work like an anti-siphon, but it is probably better to get your tank anti-siphoned and do without the remote anyways, or you might expirience pressure drops (I've been told remote's are bad that way).

[clown_13_2001]

Originally posted by XxxWarheartxxX
No you can get banned for INSULTING SOMEONE YOU DONT EVEN KNOW

almost all military guns are all metal only some are layered in plastic


Alot of people who are selling there guns are quiting paintball

Ok, tell that to the rest of the rude people in this world. And I am nowhere near insulting you, but if you feel that way and you think you just beat YOURSELF stupid, then I will stop.

Yah, and the ION is metal only and layered with polymer.

I doubt that. Go to pbnation trading forums, you will see trading, selling because they need a new team marker, or because their marker broke and they want to get rid of it, but they will say "getting out of paintball"

And you still didn't say anything about the dmc for 1700 bucks.

[RainTreeBoy]

Like others have said, between the Ion and the B2K4, it's really a toss-up and you should shoot both and see which you like better. I'd personally probably take an Ion though, but it would be really close and I'd have to look into it. The B2K5 is a pretty big step-up from the 2k4 and I'd likely go with that over the Ion.

And no, the ram on B2ks are not returned by a spring, they're returned by air. There is a spring in it though, here's something explaining that:
Originally posted by ShootPaint

As far as the spring assisted ram yes it still has the spring in it but just like the previous versions of the B2K you can remove the spring provided you dont have any issues with FSDo. This was simply one measure ICD came up with to help with the FSDO issues in the Gen 1 and Gen 2 B2K's years ago.

My B2K5 had a spring in it but I removed it to be able to achieve a lower LP pressure as well as faster cycling speeds. I simply had to turn my dwell up from 8ms to 10 ms to take care of a very minor case of FDSO, with the spring removed.

[chris220]

Originally posted by RainTreeBoy
Like others have said, between the Ion and the B2K4, it's really a toss-up and you should shoot both and see which you like better. I'd personally probably take an Ion though, but it would be really close and I'd have to look into it. The B2K5 is a pretty big step-up from the 2k4 and I'd likely go with that over the Ion.

And no, the ram on B2ks are not returned by a spring, they're returned by air. There is a spring in it though, here's something explaining that:


*Hugs RTB

And i saw someone mentioned the regs between the B2K4 and the Ion. Im glad to say that my stock 1st gen 2k4 BKO uses (Same as b2k4) gets +/- 4 FPS as i have it set. Last time i checked the ION gets about +/- 6 FPS. So for the love of god, learn before you post :)

[robdamanii]

Ok, enough of this:

The B2k IS fully electro. The BKO is spring returned. The Ion is fully electro.

I have personally seen a broken Ion trigger, so it is possible, but only with a LOT of abuse. It is a small weak point.

The shell is plenty strong enough. I've seen someone STAND on it, 210 pounds of weight on that shell, and it didn't even flex. It's perfectly fine.

The reg isn't as good as an 85 dollar CP reg, but it works just as well as any ICD reg.

The Ion bolt is aluminum.

The eyes on both markers are the exact same hardware. The only difference is the software that runs them.

The feedneck on the Ion is no taller than the feedneck on most other markers.

Any other questions?

[PeYToN-SS]

Looks like Rob saves the day again

[Paintballshurt]

All right, Rob has explained everything that everyone wanted to know. There is nothing that can be contradicted because his entire post is correct. If anyone dares to challenge Rob's knowledge, I will smite thee.

[Anchor76]

Geez all i wanted to know if the BKO was a good gun i knew this was coming, get the Ion...... Dammit ill just get the Ion :crazy: Looks ok gun.....

Thanks all for the feed back....

[Jeezer]

Originally posted by XxxWarheartxxX
5. All of your friends? I doubt you have any

Dude how do you like the word "REPORTED"

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ION'S AND YOU GO OUT AND INSULT ME YOU GOT SOME NERVE

Polymer parts

trigger
body
bolt(i think)

$30 for a feed neck some people dont have that kind of money because they just spent $300 on a GUN

YOU GUYS WITH ION'S ARE SO IGNORANT! THE ION IS A FAD EVRY CHEAP GUN THAT IS GOOD IS A FAD SOON A BETTER GUN FOR CHEAPER WILL COME OUT AND IT WILL BE OVERSHADOWED

Originally posted by can'tthink of1
There has been a case of a broken ion trigger by devilstar2k2 or whatever the mod over on pbn is. His broke in half... lol.

Also, the b2k4 isn't spring returned, its full electro... you're probably thinking of bko's.


polymer is a plastic and plastics break that is the problem with polymer

Ill setell this by saying you can get a USED trix for like $300 on PBN do that the Trix eats bushys and ion's

You..reported him for disagreeing with you?

[Paintballshurt]

Originally posted by Jeezer


You..reported him for disagreeing with you?

If that isn't report button abuse, then I don't know what is:crazy:

[§checky]

Originally posted by XxxWarheartxxX



1.)Break Beam isnt as good EVRYBODY knows that


Wait. Oh no. You didn't. Wow. That makes me wanna hurt something. Reflective eyes do not read darker paint. They just suck period- with the exception of VERY few aftermarket logics.
so
Break Beam>Reflective

ex.

WDP Lazer Eyes> Imp/Shocker reflective Vision

No ifs, ands or buts.

[clown_13_2001]

Originally posted by §checky

Wait. Oh no. You didn't. Wow. That makes me wanna hurt something. Reflective eyes do not read darker paint. They just suck period- with the exception of VERY few aftermarket logics.
so
Break Beam>Reflective

ex.

WDP Lazer Eyes> Imp/Shocker reflective Vision

No ifs, ands or buts.

He was confused. ;)