Ghillie suits

[Crime Dog]

Alright, I want to lay down one rule right now:

I don't want to see any bashing of ghillie suits, or those that use them. That's not the purpose of this thread.

The purpose of this thread is for those that have ghillie suits, or those that are interested in getting/making one, to post. What are some of the experiences you've had with them? Post pics of you in your ghillie suit if you have them... What have you found to work best in your area? It's just a general discussion on them, and the use of them.

Like I said, no bashing! I want this to stay ON topic. Thanks for respecting that!

Now then...my suit...

A friend of mine who just got out of the Marines offered to make one for me. He had an extra set of BDUs that fit me, as well as green and brown camo netting. He sewed the camo netting to the back of the BDU coat, and then tied a bunch of strips of burlap to it, and spray painted the burlap. He said I could customize it however I wanted.

What have I done? Well, I've shredded a lot of the suit, because the field I play on has a lot of high grassy areas, and the thick strips of burlap didn't match well. I'm still in the process of shredding a lot of it. I'll also be using the individual threads to tie in some of the local vegetation. I'll post pics if anyone want to see them...but the only pics I have is the early version of my suit. I haven't taken any since I've been further working on customizing it.

[Strousa85]

I'm thinking about getting one, however there so expensive and If I tried to make one I don't know how I could get it to match the enviroment well enough to be effective.

[Killer Kat]

Being a Rec player, Stealth is the word! I wanna fashion me a ghillie suit, I've found some material from www.ghilliesuits.com but I'd like to hear some ideas from other pb'ers that work good!

Crime I like the pic's I saw of yours too!

[the other one]

iv'e got a friend that made his own suit, and if he stands next to a tree.......he's invisible!:eek: im not kiddin! any way, it's also a good idea to make a mini suit for your hopper too. those things stick out like sore thumbs in the woods. they just do. theres some camo ductape at some surplus stores that can work if they don't shine. anything that distorts the sillouett.

[ockey]

mine is for a woods style play like in oak woods. it works pretty nice but i used a pair of coverals and i hot glued the strips on to the coveralls. a good site is www.paintballzone.com then goto snipers corner. there is a LOT of good info in there.

[Bocasean]

Not to shamelessly pimp my own site, but we have several inexpensive ghillie suits at www.unitedpaintball.com. We carry Bushrag and Sabco, who respectively offer both main types of 3D camo (burlap and mesh). We are currently working on updating our Concealment Gear selection, and it will be complete by February.

On top of that, the GHOST RCS has been made specifically for paintballers and is fairly inexpensive. It is very fast to deploy and the concealment is great. People may not know what to think at first, because it is more of a parka than the usual burlap "blob" of traditional ghillies. I assure you though, it can conceal just as effectively, but is much more convenient for paintball players, and offers greater heat dissipation. It breaks up the human silhouette, which is all any ghillie can do. In the summer, we are going to be filming some videos that show the integration of the GHOST with other materials, including natural vegetation and burlap. This will prove once and for all that the GHOST can be made into any style suit you want it to be, and still fold up into any ball hauler. After all, the ability to fold into any ball hauler is the greatest advantage of the suit.

I invite you all to check it out. And thanks to all those who already own theirs.

Take Care

Sean Rutan
UnitedPaintball
www.unitedpaintball.com

[Crime Dog]

Yeah...I checked out that Ghost setup. Looks pretty good. Only thing I wondered about was the videos you guys already have. To me, it's just a tad deceiving, based on the color of the video. Everything seems so "bright", and so the suit blends well. If colors were better, I might get a better idea of how it actually looks. I know that's probably beyond your control...but I'd want to see it in person.

As far as not being able to match colors on the burlap with your surroundings... Well, using the strips and threads of burlap to tie in surrounding vegetation, you can match your environment! You can tie stuff in, and stuff it into the netting underneath the burlap or jute twine as well.

Feel free to post pics as well!

[Crime Dog]

Another:

[Crime Dog]

And one more:

[Cerberust]

ive found some interesting techniques, ive camod my gun by wrapping it in strands of green cloth, but in my woods there are many bushes and shrubs, so i made one for fall where i got a bunch of those fake plastic leaves and stapled them to greenand brown strands, looks pretty neat actually


I REALLY need to camo my mask though, im thinking of doing it with acrylic paint, of course itll eventually rub of, but i can just paint it again, no biggy.

[Crime Dog]

Hey Cerb...just use Shoe Goo to glue bits of burlap to your mask as well. Breaks up the outline of your mask more effectively than just paint.

Of course, if you play speedball, you might get laughed at...but, all you have to do is own them on the field, and they'll quit laughing. ;)

[Bocasean]

Sorry about the brightness of the videos. The camera has been giving me headaches, but the results are genuinely that convincing. That's why I had another player in the frames; to compare standard camos with the GHOST. You can see the bare brush, and the GHOST silhouette is gone, even if the glare is bad. It wasn't filmed to be deceiving, and in fact, the lack of foliage made it even less advantageous for filming. The winter environment in Ohio is a tough test for a ghillie. I did intentionally use Realtree Xtra Brown as the color pattern, since it matches the bare brush, but that's not deception. It's what I would do in any game situation. Actually, I wish the camera had picked it up as the rest of us saw it. Then there would be no doubts. It really is as hard to see in person as it shows on the video. I give you my word.

As for this quote from you:

<"As far as not being able to match colors on the burlap with your surroundings... Well, using the strips and threads of burlap to tie in surrounding vegetation, you can match your environment! You can tie stuff in, and stuff it into the netting underneath the burlap or jute twine as well. ">


I think you missed my point. I was stating that we have a String Kit that specifically works with the suit. It's laid out in such a way that it takes no user effort to tie burlap or local vegetation to the suit, since the String Kit is pre-shaped. It's kinda like putting a string frame over the suit, tying it, and then adding whatever material you wish. I know that you can tie stuff to burlap.....but many people do not know that you can do the same thing with the GHOST, while still retaining the speed, covenience, and sub-$100 pricetag. I wasn't saying that you couldn't tie on to burlap, but rather, you COULD tie on to the GHOST. Sorry for not being more specific.

Thanks for checking out the site and for the kind words. We are working on better film quality, and new videos which show even more advantages to the suit. By summertime, it will really become clear that the GHOST is the best suit for paintball. You can tie burlap and/or vegetation to it, cover your legs, and it completely integrates with any ball hauler. But hey, I'm biased....I designed it. ;)


Thanks again

Sean Rutan
UnitedPaintball
www.unitedpaintball.com

[Crime Dog]

Oh...man...I didn't mean that you guys did any of that on purpose (meaning the film color and all)...sorry if it came off that way! I honestly didn't mean to cast doubt on you all... Please accept my apologies!

As far as tying stuff to ghillies...I was referring to a previous poster, not to you. That's a great feature that you have as well...that you can tie stuff in. I look forward to seeing more from you guys! Affordable ghillies are hard to find...and making them affordable is a great service to the paintball community. Thanks, and keep it up! (I look forward to seeing pics of it in the spring. I just plain like looking at different ghillie suits...)

[Bocasean]

No need to apologize. I appreciate the feedback and criticism. The whole point is to serve the paintball community, and feedback is how I recognize and improve weaknesses. I was not offended, but actually appreciative of you speaking out. I just wanted to let people know that the videos did a fair job of showing the suit in action, despite the glare.

Here's an old picture of the first GHOST prototype, before we added more leafy material. It does a good job of showing the suit in another environment. I had to shrink the pic, but you can almost see that the bush I'm behind stands alone in my backyard. I wanted to show the way the suit distorts the human silhouetted, even behind minimal cover. If I was to film this now, the head and shoulders would have more 3D leafy blending, and I might even tie on some of the straw. But for a prototype, it still paints a pretty good portrait of how the suit turns my silhouette into a blob of nothing.

It's fun showing different pictures of what we all use.

[Bocasean]

Here's me behind the same bush with the suit rolled up. He took the shot before I had my hand in, but you still see my body and especially my mask, head, and shoulders.

What do you think, Crime Dog?

[ColdFusion]

camo you gun to cause my friend had a leaf suit but it did not help cause he had a bright red mask and a red spyder shutter so it was had to see him but you could easily spot his gun or mask

[Bocasean]

Good call, Fusion. I forgot about the marker. We sell a Gun Ghillie, but it's really not that complex if you're on a budget. All you really need to do is take an old pair of camo pants or burlap and shread them. Take the shreads and wrap your marker. It's cheap and pretty effective, especially if you are wearing an effective ghillie. Most ghillies have excess straps that can cover the gun while you're crouched, and the gun cover will help when you're aiming.

If you all want something more effective, try Bushrag, Ghillie Suits.com, Sabco, or UP. In the spring, we're releasing a complete ghillie system that'll cover gun and all. I'll keep you all posted.


Later

Sean Rutan
UnitedPaintball
www.unitedpaintball.com

[Crime Dog]

Argh. Ask someone that's not used to looking at a ghillie, or FOR a ghillie. I'm so ghillie minded, that I LOOK for it. The suit definitely breaks up your outline. But in the second picture, your arms are sticking out further than in the first, making it more "obvious" without the system... I know I'm being REALLY picky...but....

Overall, pretty good. When I get my own ghillie finalized (probably not until spring), I'll post some more pics.

Anyone else got pics of their ghillies?

[Bocasean]

LOL. I told you bro. He took the shot before I could get my hand in...I had my knee in the snow and I was readjusting. The only way to please you will be to surprise you with it in a game. And you know how that'll work....I'll be hiding and you'll be hiding and we'll grow old before either one of us finds the other. Then when we die on the field of old age, they won't be able to find our bodies. They weren't great shots, and the suit is old and basic there. It was just for fun and to show a new environment.

And definitely let us know when you get your suit done.

[Magnus55]

hey Bocasean, do you have any pictures of someone wearing your ghillie suit out in the open like in Crime Dog's pictures? I tried clicking on the link, but it said the page wasn't available. As for me, I plan on making a ghillie suit for myself as soon as I have the time and materials.

[Paint Bulley]

I was gona make one cuz' the seem cool and all. BUt I wouldn't use it that much (for paintball)

Me myself I love to be aggresive, and charge and stuff (in open area)....

But mabye I could get use to nobody seeing me . I wouldnt get shot as much :)

Hey Crime. Can you up some picture of you crawling (not just sitting) through some bushes?

I have troubles staying concealed while moving :(

this would be awesome for Hide and go seek...

Also Crime and Bocosean, Jump suit or BDU's what do you like most. MAbye I'll just make one for a project and the fun of it :) :)

Stick this thread :)

[Bocasean]

Magnus first: The only other pics I have right now are the ones at the website. On the Main Catalog, the GHOST is seen in the wide open. On the Video Feed page, it is shown in the open in the third and fourth vids. The site is working for me....try it again, maybe by typing it into the browser instead of clicking the link. If it doesn't work, please let me know.


Paint Bulley: The GHOST has actually been designed for players like you, who play for speed most of the time, but would like to be able to ambush when the opportunity arises. It folds into a pouch that attaches to any ball hauler or belt. The suit unfolds from the pouch in as little as 3 seconds and goes back into the pouch in about 7 to 10 seconds. I built it because I play like you, not a "sit-and-wait" player, but the ability to choose was a priority. So to answer your question, I prefer to wear regular camos, and the suit only when it's advantageous to do so.


Hope this helps, and let me know if you have any questions.

Later

Sean Rutan
UnitedPaintball
www.unitedpaintball.com

[Magnus55]

Ok the link still didn't work but when I typed it in myself it worked. These are some nice ghillie suits you have here Bocasean. :)

For the rest of you, heres the link to part about the ghillie suits on Bocasean's site: http://www.unitedpaintball.com/Catalog/GHOSTRCS.htm

[Bocasean]

Thanks a lot, Magnus. I really appreciate the kind words and you taking the time to visit our site.

Later
Sean

[PMI_Guy]

i read about this guy somewere who wore overalls and got sticky somehow (i wish i could remember! ) and rolled in the leafs at the feild, and they said he blended right in.......

[Bocasean]

I read that too, maybe on the Warpig forums. That was a while back, and I can't remember exactly what he did. I think it was a spray adhesive, like 3M. I actually tried that, much to the enjoyment of the guys on my team. I've tried so many stupid variations of 3D camo that they don't really laugh at me any more....but the time I used spray adhesive was a big fat joke. It made my whole body sticky, but the weeds and leaves didn't stick long, and when they did they were all matted down and ridiculous looking. That was last spring, and they still give me crap for it.

However, the spray adhesive might work on your gun and hopper, if you don't mind gumming up your finish. Same for the mask, if you cover the lens before spraying. Just remember that the adhesive doesn't want to come clean once it's on there.


Later
Sean

[Blacksheep]

I made mine for the summer, lots of browns to match the forest floor. It actually works nicly in the fall, but it's a bit dark for that. Anyway, I've made a lot of them. I made one designed for a big grassy field and used twine since it matched the grass well. I used the natural color, and it was great. Anyway...hmm...you usually try to leave a few rows of netting without sewing (this was taught to me by a fellow friend, WWII era sniper) to add natural camouflage easier. The glue doesn't work, would never try. Besides, you can smell that stuff from like 100m away if your downwind of it. Anyone trying to buy a ghillie suit? I can make one and I'm poor (I need $$$ for my intimidator).
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[Crime Dog]

I'll get some action pics for ya of me crawling next time I get out to play Bulley...but it may be awhile.

As far as jumpsuit vs. BDU's...well, I use both. My ghillie suit is built on top of BDU's. But when I don't use the ghillie, I wear a jumpsuit...Mossy Oak pattern. I DO wear my ghillied mask/boonie hat with that often as well.

A note on crawling and movement with a ghillie... You want to keep that to a minimum. Movement (especially head movement) is the number 1 giveaway for a sniper like player. So...when i'm wearing my ghillie, I keep my movement to a very, very, very slow crawl. I don't camp, but I don't move like normal pb players either. Well, at least in the thick of the game anyway. Initially I bolt like a deer running for its life. But that's just to get myself to a position I like. I then sniper-crawl from there, but very little. Key to movement with a ghillie is...crawl SLOW. An inch or two max at times...

[Blacksheep]

too slow to move that way. While yes, when you are an actual sniper in a war, that is the way it's done, but in paintball, I move slowly, usually a higher baby crawl, and use cover to keep me hidden. When I hunt whitetail and turkey, it's inch by inch.
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[PBfreak01]

How much does a Ghillie suit weigh? (personal experiance only)

[Rascal_X5]

It really depends on the material used. and the effect your going for. But anywhere from feather light to about the weight of a heavy military blanket. All depends on the material used and the effect your going for. Water ebsorbing materials work best in rainy situations, it will weigh more from the rain but you'll look more like the wet surroundings. While a light cloth suit would work fine for light folliage. This only applies if your making your own(my reccomendation.)

[PBfreak01]

Yeah...I was thinking of making my own. Do you think I could sew the burlap, canvas, nylon, or whatever, onto a set of camies? Because right now I can't afford to buy something exclusivally for the Ghillie suit.

[Rascal_X5]

I'd avoid the nylon it tends to be pretty shiny. But burlap and canvas whould work fine if there a good greeny color. Also don't try and make it too refined. Remember the purpose of ghille is to break up your human outline. You can probably pick up some old burlap and canvas from your local salvation army. Heck they may even have ghille. And the Camy's are a great base there strong and will hold up. Just keep in mind it might be a little hot in that suit so dress accordingly underneath that if you stay in the shad tho you should be fine. Best of luck.

-Chris

[j7million]

I'd like to get a ghillie thread goin'. . . People can post tips, materials, pics and stuff of their current "project". I'll start it out.

I went to the local farm supply store to get some work coveralls because I want a one piece suit. . . Cost about $30+/- a little after christmas sale :-) Now I'm sewing on an old volley ball net, I'm almost done I'v been working on it for about three weeks. . . I'll post pics of it tomorrow.

I don't know if I want to use burlap or balin' twine. . . burlap is gonna cost some money and balin' twine is free, the benifits of livin' on a farm. . . NO DSL!

Then I'm going to dye, first layer black, then a greenish and lastly a light browinsh :-D I'v got big dreams.


Thats it for now.


PS this wants to be a sticky :D

[Friday]

What do you think about using a camoflage poncho? I'm thinking of just wearing that over my street clothes instead of getting BDUs. Heck, I'll even try making it into a ghillie poncho. I'll definitely post pics if I can do it. :)

[UTLadiesMan]

Wow, I would sweat so much playing paintball in a poncho. It would have to be like 20* outside not to over heat.

[Crime Dog]

I agree with UT...man, a poncho won't breathe at all. That'd be too stinkin' hot for me in the summer/fall. My current ghillie is warm enough as it is...let alone having a layer of thick plastic...whoa.

[Paint Bulley]

*hint: not all ponchos are plastic, you guys may be thinking of rain slickers.

[OneArmedScissor]

don't use black... the black created by the shadows of the burlap is all you need.
would a volley ball net really work? i don't think it would.
i've got some ghillie suits i've made, but i just ordered this bush rag ghillie suit kit and i'm gonna try it out.

[Friday]

Ahh, breathability, I didn't think of that :( Well... the camo ponchos I see are made out of nylon ripstop while BDUs are made out of cotton ripstop. I believe ripstop is the weave style. So how breathable is nylon compared to cotton?:confused:

[j7million]

I read a lot about them on some websights, they said tie it to the vollyball net, so I'm gonna. I was gonna use burlap but I didn't like it. . . I'm gonna get some dye latter this week, I'm using the black as a base. . Kinda like when you paint something you gotta use a coat of something dark? well the black goes on first then the greens then the browns. . . If I dont' like it I'll scrap it and start all over. I tried to get some pics but they weren't workin'. . My program made them into tiffs and I can't figure out how to separate them. . .Tomorrow, would ya post pics of what you are doin' with the brushrag thing :-)

[Crime Dog]

There's a ghillie suit thread going in the General Paintball forum...which I started. There's pics there and stuff if you guys are interested. It's a lot longer already. ;)

I agree with the poster that said "don't use black." Black is not a natural color in nature. Avoid the black. Brown will do fine for you.

I'll be posting pics of my ghillie suit soon. I've already got some up in the other thread, but I've shredded my suit more than when I first put up pics. I'll also be adding more burlap to mine that's dyed green and brown, and when out in the field, I'll be stuffing natural vegetation into it as well. Pics of that won't happen until spring at the least...

Check out the other thread!

[Magnus55]

I just stuck this thread onto the other thread Crime Dog was talking about earlier. Enjoy. :)

[j7million]

I'm in the process of making one, I'm going to dye balin' twine because I live in the boonies and that is abundant and FREE, I also tryed to burlap, cut it into 2''X12'' strips but I didn't the look, and most of the suits I'v seen seem to look that way. I made a thread for info on makin' them, post pics! And info on it :-)

[j7million]

I'm slow goin' at makin' my suit. . . I seen one pic of the netting and they were like inch by inch sewing every knot on! I used dental floss too, it's real strong ;-) Ok, I guess I'll not use the black :-) It'll be easier too. Also to make it more breathable I think I my cut a few holes in the back and in the inner legs to let air in through the twine. Pics soon, I can't seem to get them to be converted. . . I'm gonna dowload psp tonight :-)

[VarmintSniper30]

Hey everyone? I made my own ghillie suit for varmint hunting, I got a pic, but my friend's shadows a little in the way. LOL, you can see half of my ghillie suit anyways....
Hope you like, was out hunting when the pic was tooken.

[j7million]

Ok, I finally got it to work. I try to watch a few shows on tv and sew some netting on, I'v been workin' on it for 2 or 3 weeks now. . . csi is a great show! I also washed and hung all my balin' twine, when I get to dyeing it I'll post more pics of the progress.

Doesn't anyone else out there have one. . . ?

[j7million]

Nother

[j7million]

First was sopose to be this. . .

[Vigilante]

Those suits arent anything, they use burlap and reeds as far as i saw, the material that is the best is Jute twine, i got mine made out of it, heres a site that sells the.: http://www.paintballgods.com .... sure you will look like a tan version of the cookie monster but in the woods ybelieve it or not you are completely invisile it seems, i've had people walk 5 feet in front of me and not relize i was there.

[j7million]

http://folkart.net/decorative-painting-supplies/painting-accessories/jute-twine.html

http://www.gasa.net/reviews/companies/ghilliesuits_review.htm

Few sights for you, the first one is for jute twine and the second one is about ghillie suits. I need to be able to look at these at home (i'm at school) so I'll just post them here :-)

[Blacksheep]

it doesn't make a difference, they're the samed material. Burlap is made from jute.It's just that burlap is much cheaper to use becuase you can get a lot more strands from a sheet of burlap. I know, I've tried both methods. Tan...I don't know whatk ind of forest you're in, but where I am (and most places I see) tan will not work. Now, in a dry field, that approach will work just fine, but not in a brown or green forest.
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[j7million]

I'm makin' a little progress, I can't say I'm really happy with the colors but it's a start :-) I just went to the grocery store (pages) and got some rit dye.

[j7million]

Let dry outside. .. it's Jan and I can walk outside in a beater and jeans!!!!

[j7million]

And the stuff stains!. . . I sprayed with some limon kitchen cleaner and it cleanned up nuff I don't think my mom will notice:rolleyes:

[Blacksheep]

I'm not even sure what you're showing me
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[j7million]

It goes along with my whole idea of using balin' twine. The picture is of dyed balin' twine. the first one is me dying it. I used a plastic bag as a glove. . . then to took and layed it on a bush to dry for like an hour. .


Then I spilled a little on the counter and. . . it stained a little.

[VarmintSniper30]

Hey everyone? I have a question about the jute. Do you think they would sell it at like a ACE or some place like that?
Mike

[jaronervin]

Can anyone send me good instructions or websites on how to make a ghillie suit? I get the general idea, but I'm not positive on how it needs to look. My email is jaronervin@msn.com . thanks, Jay

[j7million]

http://www.ghilliesuits.com/howtobuild.htm

http://home.swipnet.se/sniper/sniper/camoufla.htm

http://www.gasa.net/reviews/companies/ghilliesuits_review.htm

http://www.geocities.com/stalker217/ghillie/ (second best)

http://www.spiritbows.com/byo.html

http://www.paintballzone.com/ (probably he best)

Those are all the ones I'v used. . .

[OneArmedScissor]

ok i'm making my bush rag thing... it is VERY COOL!!!!
i cut like half the jute string stuff into 11 inch pieces (it comes in 22 inch pieces) and i got like 6 to 10 peices at a time and tied them to netting. so that each half would be like 5 inches hanging on both sides of the knot tied to the netting. you do this to make an under layer.

after you get done with this, get the rest of the 22 inch pieces, cut them in whatever length you want and tie them to the available spaces on the netting...

it looks VERY cool and is an awesome camo pattern!!!!!

i have some that i've made from burlap i got from wal-mart. these look more "leafy" good for forest play. but i like the bush rag thing better

[Crime Dog]

Crud! I played some outlaw this weekend and used my ghillie suit, and guess what I forgot to bring with me!? My digital camera! I had pulled it out and left it on the coffeetable and everything, and I forgot to put the stupid thing in my car when I left. Phooey.

I would have had some killer pics for you guys. The guys I played with all agreed that my suit blended superbly with the environment we were in. I took it off and threw it on the ground, and I had to agree as well, it looked really, really nice. I shredded most of my burlap, and the color/texture mixes almost perfectly with the long grass I spent most my time in...

Well, I promise, I'll get some pics up as soon as possible...

[j7million]

Yes, I'd like to see some pics of some other people's stuff :-D I can't say that I'm too happy with how my suit looks. . . I decided to tye the burlap strips on, and it looks better now. . . I'll have some pictures maybe later this week.

[Crime Dog]

I'll be posting a pic of my gun ghillied up. Someone asked about something like that in another thread. I'm hoping the two threads are combined...

[Crime Dog]

Bump.

New pics coming soon...

[PbAllWiZZ]

My only question is can you be a woodsball player and like a speedball player.I want to be a well rounded player but I think I heard somewhere that you can be only one or the other. It's kind of an ethic (I think thats right) question.

[Crime Dog]

Ah, that's baloney. You can be both. I'm primarily a recball player (woods), but more and more, I'm enjoying speedball as well. Don't let others tell you what you can enjoy equally.

Alright. Finally! A couple of pics! First pic, see if you can find the ghille right away!

[Crime Dog]

better look

[PbAllWiZZ]

:eek: :love: :drop: :cool: :tup:
NICE!!!!

[Crime Dog]

Thanks. That thing isn't even designed to blend with a pine environment... I think it works fairly well though. That's WITHOUT stuffing natural vegetation into it as well... Just imagine what it'll look like when I get some natural foilage stuffed into it. Heh. Heheheheheh. I'm still working on getting some camo netting sewed to the pants. Once I get that done, and get out to play, I'll get the "final" pics for you guys...and see what you think.