Spool-Valved Timmy?

[knuckhead09]

Yes, PBN is down, so I'm posting this here.

http://rspaintball.net/rsfactory/Spool_Timmy_by_knuckhead09.swf

I designed a spool valved timmy, would have the kick and noise of a trix, with the looks and moving bolt of a timmy. The best of both worlds :tup:

This could be a production gun, or maybe a drop in ram/valve combo for the timmy.

Any thoughts?

[Reborn]

*patents idea*

NOW ITS MINE!

[Rebel2005]

Sweet... I could actually see that working quite well. It basically would use the same noid and pneumatic hosing setup as a timmy too. Great idea, patent it :tup:

[knuckhead09]

Go for it... I dont have the time/money/ambition to do anything w/ the idea.

[something nasty]

Nice idea. Now take it off the internet and sell it to a company.

[BigTarget04]

Isnt that pretty similar to how defiant 2s, Impys, and nerves work? That being they have rams/hammers which move via a ram tube much like in your design? I realize they no longer have to strike to the valve to open it, but still it seems very similar to me. But your design is quite nice.

edit: http://www.erraticstatic.com/p/animations/impulse.gif

but what I'm saying is that it looks like this but the valve stem or w/e you want to call it is connected to the ram assembly in your design.

[Crede777]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it basically operates just like a half blocked Autococker and even more closely an Ego. You might still be able to get something out of it though.

[knuckhead09]

Originally posted by Crede777
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it basically operates just like a half blocked Autococker and even more closely an Ego. You might still be able to get something out of it though.

No. Not anywhere near an ego. An ego still uses a valve/cup seal type valve. This one uses a matrix type spool valve.

Originally posted by BigTarget04
Isnt that pretty similar to how defiant 2s, Impys, and nerves work? That being they have rams/hammers which move via a ram tube much like in your design? I realize they no longer have to strike to the valve to open it, but still it seems very similar to me. But your design is quite nice.

but what I'm saying is that it looks like this but the valve stem or w/e you want to call it is connected to the ram assembly in your design.

No, that is the whole idea of this design. The valve basically works like a matrix bolt. It is closer in design to a matrix than a timmy. Really, the upper bolt is only there to maintain the timmy look.

[f2f4]

Holy hell. I see how this works. I have got to call my Uncle (level 3 patent attorney).

Ya know what? I'ma be right back...

[knuckhead09]

Originally posted by f2f4
Holy hell. I see how this works. I have got to call my Uncle (level 3 patent attorney).

Ya know what? I'ma be right back...

Hook me up w/ a prototype :tup:

[BigTarget04]

Well I dont know man I'm pretty sure if I took that impulse animation and connected the hammer to the cupseal assembly it would work the same without looking like a martix. I see what you are saying but thats just what I'm seeing. Dont get me wrong it looks like a great way of updating the design, but I'm just saying what it looks like to me.

[knuckhead09]

This concept must be more difficult than I think...

Impy - Ram/hammer/valve - Kick - Noise - Not smooth
Matrix Timmy - Ram/Valve - No Kick - No Noise - Smooth

The whole idea is to smoothen the gun, quiet the gun, and to take the kick away. Who cares what it LOOKS like on the inside?

Did that help clarify at all?

[chubbs07]

wouldnt this do the same thing as the MQ-valve did for electro cockers

[Reborn]

Who cares if it looks bad on the inside? I've never seen anyone with x-ray vision on the fields.

[knuckhead09]

Originally posted by chubbs07
wouldnt this do the same thing as the MQ-valve did for electro cockers

I was thinking that... but I never read up on the MQ-valve. I was never sure what it did.

[OWNAGE]

You might have to make a custom bolt pin to fit into the spool pin because it doesn't look like it would last like that.;)

Otherwise, get this out before the Newton Kit comes out.:tup:

[chubbs07]

Originally posted by knuckhead09


I was thinking that... but I never read up on the MQ-valve. I was never sure what it did.
well i dont read much on it but to my understanding it removes the hammer and valve from the bottome tube and replaces it with a spool valve

if i have said anything wrong someone please correct me

[cutomcocker1]

i'm a machinist and couple probably build something like that fairly easily and drop it into my timmy...but i just dont' get how it works... :confused:

edit, could you add HP and LP air movement to the animation (like red for HP and blue for LP?)

[CrazyDriver84]

Good idea...


but I still do not like timmies.

[Mr Murderdoll89]

That would be sick...


...I heard rumors that the Infamous Timmy shoots exactly like a Trix:love: That would be sick.

[Jeezer]

I assume you have a timmy type of valve infront of the front block, right?

Just wondering cause in your animation, theair would be escaping constantly when the bolt is in the back position.

[something nasty]

No; the front part where the valve would be would be closed off. High pressure air would have to be diverted to the dump chamber.

[Downfall08]

sacrilege!

[Crede777]

Ahh I see now! If you can get it to work, that would be amazing.

[iplaynaked]

Originally posted by knuckhead09
I designed a spool valved timmy, would have the kick and noise of a trix, with the looks and moving bolt of a timmy. The best of both worlds :tup:

good job, you have accuratly described an ego :tup: ;)

cool design though :tup:

[wordf0o]

Originally posted by iplaynaked

good job, you have accuratly described an ego :tup: ;)

cool design though :tup:

I can feel the kick on an ego, yet on dm or pm I don't really feel it.

[iplaynaked]

it kicks a bit more, but not the shotgun most people say it is.

[Everlight389]

That would be very cool. Only problem you may get into is once you open the "valve" it may require alot of pressure to close it, thus being slightly inefficent. Still, an excellent idea, and with some work it will make intimidators even easier to clean/lube and have less kick. Awesome

[TechnaTrigga858]

A few problems.

1. It would be almost like an imp or ego.

2. Less efficientcy.

3. May not even work for all we know.

4. Extra weight.

[wordf0o]

Originally posted by TechnaTrigga858
A few problems.

1. It would be almost like an imp or ego.

Both guns if set up correctly, rip.

2. Less efficientcy.

Most of us have all - day air.

3. May not even work for all we know.

I'm skeptical of it working too.
4. Extra weight.

Milling will take off a lot, I hope.

[speedy2k4]

when did this thread start? i sketched out this exact same design about 3 months ago, almost the exact same as that animation. i sent a pm to tpd about it, because he was starting his own paintball company and designing his own gun. but that's awesome, somebody else thought of it other than me! hopefully it goes somewhere, even though nobody will ever believe i thought of it.

i doubt it would be much "better" than a standard intimidator, maybe a bit less kick, fewer parts, maybe lower pressure. but still, pretty cool that i'm not the only one to think of it :nod:

awesome :tup: and by the way, i can guarantee it would work. just with my sketch, i could tell. obviously there would need to be a few changes to the animation, it is very basic, but it will work.

so, anybody think it will actually happen?

[diablo13346]

yo man hook us up with some external pics yo i wanna see thsi pice or work damn by the sounds of thsi it souds ****igfn nice dude

[paintballr87]

Thats really not that difficult. If I had some moeny laying around I would actually look into starting to build that.

[wordf0o]

Speedy- You know the only reason why you saw this thread was because of me...

;)

[someday1188]

holy christ.............. this works............. that's incredible.....................


damn my lack of imagination:(

[knuckhead09]

Originally posted by TechnaTrigga858
A few problems.

1. It would be almost like an imp or ego.

That's the idea, except to have the shooting qualities of a matrix.

2. Less efficientcy.

Why? Because it will be spool? My trix gets 1600 shots from a 68/45. It could have better effeciency w/ design trial and error.

3. May not even work for all we know.

If it were designed correctly, the concept would work. Why would it not?

4. Extra weight.

Make all the parts delrin (like shocker internals), and it may be lighter.

[Bigshot]

the only thing you changed is really the ram and were the bolt pin sits

[knuckhead09]

Originally posted by Everlight389
That would be very cool. Only problem you may get into is once you open the "valve" it may require alot of pressure to close it, thus being slightly inefficent. Still, an excellent idea, and with some work it will make intimidators even easier to clean/lube and have less kick. Awesome

Yes, someone had suggested that. I was trying to figure out a way to seal off the dump chamber, but I didn't think hard enough :tdown:

[knuckhead09]

Originally posted by Bigshot
the only thing you changed is really the ram and were the bolt pin sits

That, and how the whole gun works, nothing big.

[dantriggerhappy]

I think that diagram without the spool valve will be the infamous timmy. Mark those words boys.

[Everlight389]

Originally posted by knuckhead09


Yes, someone had suggested that. I was trying to figure out a way to seal off the dump chamber, but I didn't think hard enough :tdown:

Different shaped "valve" pins could have an effect of opening and closing. For example, one that was shaped like <| would have easier air resistance opening, but most likely it would require more closing. Vice versa with the |> shape, hard to open, but would shut easier.

You could also have the pin always forwards, with constant pressure on it to hold it shut, release the pressure

There is one problem though... the bolt position would have to move independantly, which probably defeats the purpose altogether. There may be a mechanical way of doing it, or if you could find an easy way for the valve to close with the pin alwaysback.

OR... the gun could be closed bolt and fire at a specific point (like, immediately during the firing process).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v688/Everlight/untitled.jpg

[Bigshot]

How about (in the original design) move the air passage back and move the bolt air passage back too. then put some orings on the bolt and no need for a valve. it works in mio capello. i don't know if it would work because the ram has to work against that pressure.

[speedy2k4]

Originally posted by wordf0o
Speedy- You know the only reason why you saw this thread was because of me...

;)
doesn't mean i didn't sketch it out 3 months ago. i could even post a pic of the sketch, but it is almost identical to that animation. plus i doubt i could find the sketch. i pm'd tpd, he said it was impractial, etc.

watch, tpd go ahead and build it and give me no credit :pissed: :laugh:

[speedy2k4]

i forgot, there is one big difference from my sketch. in the animation, you have input pressure on one side of the ram, against lpr pressure on the other side which wouldn't work. i extended the ram past the opening for the dump chamber, and had an o-ring on both sides. that way, you aren't compressing the air like a piston when the ram moves forward, but rather displacing it, and redirecting the flow of air to move up and through the bolt.

i'll see if i can dig up my sketch or make a new one on the computer to help explain it.