Tricked spyder or Stock autococker_HELP!!!

[kiakarimi]

My birthday's coming up and i'm counting on about 350 bucks. I have a spyder TL plus, and i have come to a dilema. I don't know whether i should spend the money TOTALLY tricking out my spyder, (bolt, turbo vavle, new regualtor, barrel, E-trigger frame, VA, DF... EVERYTHING) Or should i buy an Autococker, and have no money to spend on upgrades for that. Keep in mind, i already have a nitro tank, so it will be going on either gun. If i did that to the spyder, no matter what, its still a spyder and i would still get that look like "oh.... that guys got a spyder... no problem" But on the other hand, it would be really fun, and cool to have a mega tricked gun, not to mention that it would be a good gun too. And i know cockers are good, but i don't know if its worth it to keep it stock, at least until i get more money, (Which isn't gonna be for a while). and it would just be fun to customize a spyder. What do you guys think?

[Codestar20]

The tricked spyder will out perform the autococker easily. You will be able to shoot faster and just as accurate. Who cares what people think of your gun. Show them with skill, not what kind of gun you have. It is fun upgrading a so called "low end gun".

[pr0kch0p]

dont buy anything for your spyder.

just get the following:

decent barrel, check out the lapcos
decent reg, palmer for co2, sidewinder for n2
decent drop, pyscho balistics is good for cheap
and a 12v revvy

thats all really need for a good performing spyder, and all that is like $200

save the rest and wait for either a good used deal to come along or just save it for the cocker when you feel you have outgrowned your spyder, dont buy a new gun just cuz you have the money.

[pk3`]

here is how Im looking at it. I am almost in the same situation as you. I have a piranha with a lapco and stocktech dropforward and Im expecting some cash soon.

however this is what Im planning to do, I am going to be picking up a nitro tank, a sidewinder reg, and a 12volt revy. In the future I'll pick up a cocker and I will be able to transplant most of the upgrades on my fish to the cocker.

[HondaRacer2120]

thats what im doing............all the upgrades except the bolt and springs are"universal" and im gonna use tem on my coker when i get it so dont buy valves cause they arent universal or the e-trig

[Omega6_Virus]

Tricking out the spyder is like going down a dead end street. If you plan on staying in paintball for a long time and dont want an electro, get a cocker. They are great. Upgrades for it will be better than upgrading a spyder. If you sell your spyder, you could do a lot to the cocker, or get an Impluse. I'd say sell the spyder and get a cocker or an Impluse. Note: Tricked Cockers are hard to sell. I would personally go with the Impluse. I know thats not a choice you said, but I think you will like that better than the cocker or spyder.

[elTwitcho]

I cannot stress enough, how much you should buy the stock cocker. To put it one way, once you add all that stuff to your spyder, that's it, that's the edge of the performance envelope. Nothing you add to your gun will make it better. At that level, I'd say it's about even with a stock autococker. You buy the stock autococker, and you latter come into more money. Now, already your gun is level with a tricked spyder. But you spend 50 bucks on a new 3 way. This alone will make your trigger just as short as an electro spyder. Your gun will kick less though, be quieter, more efficient, and because you will have less blowback, your gun will feed faster, and actually shoot faster. Spend another 20 bucks or so for new springs for your gun. Now you can bump the bolt pressure on your cocker down, and it won't chop paintballs. Instead of breaking em, the bolt will just stop on a paintball that hasn't had time to load. The spyder will never be able to stop on a ball. for 70 bucks more, you've already outclassed the spyder by a huge margin. When you start adding better regulators, hinge triggers, and new rams, you've got a gun that no spyder will ever touch, no matter how much is put into the spyder

[Omega6_Virus]

Exactly, but, you should sell your spyder and you can even add more to your cocker. Get a vertical feed cocker too. They are only like $20 more at most places. http://www.paintballwatch.com to get cheap prices.

[UTLadiesMan]

I second Twitchy's response word for word.

[death]

eh i didn't want to make another thread. how much should a used 97 stock cocker be(no reg)?

[Paint Bulley]

I'd get the cocker :)

[Deep Sixx]

Get the Spyder and trick it out. If you get a cocker later on, you'll still have to have a Spyder to use when (not if) the cocker isn't working.

I agree with Omega when he says get the Impulse instead... you'll probably be happier with it than the cocker, unless you like overpriced pump-guns. Not that there's anything wrong with pump-guns, but that's what an autococker really is... a modified pump-gun... just so you know.

D6

[Codestar20]

Looks like its just me and D6 that think you will have more fun with the spyder. Hopefully Ebon will be on our side with it. I do think cockers are slightly over priced but man are they fun to shoot.

[moodydoody]

sell your spyder and get a USED autococker. they are cheap now and it would be alot better then a stock cocker and MANY MANY times better then a tricked spyder.

[Ebonclaw]

Well, you all know where I stand. I really like the new PMI Pirhana that's out. The Pro TS G3 with the Storm frame and the PMI reg? That thing looks sweet. I gotta say a tricked out Spyder will give you performance right away, and can keep up with more expensive guns. You can only pull a trigger so fast. Maybe an Angel can shoot faster, but semi-only it's only gonna go so fast, and the Spyder can do that. Plus with the tricked Spyder, you'll likely have all the different modes of fire that people with higher end guns spend $50 and more for. Lotsa fun for those games with your friends, and even in the few tourneys that allow turbo.
Well, me and Twitch have been having this argument for a long time, and my Shutter is about to become greatly tricked out, so I'll let you know how it does.

[kiakarimi]

wow, lots of conflicting answers. This is intense. haha. Thanks for your responses everyone, and more are always helpful.

[Punkrawkr11]

shut up

[Killer_Demo]

Get the cocker!!!!! you WONT regret it.

[ds613]

Cocker!:crazy:

[Ballin' Paint]

Hey jerks, this is James. Anyway, get the cocker. They dont even need upgrades to be good. I have actually found that stock cockers with only upgraded barrels, cause the least problems. Its the neumatics and valves that can be a bit ch.

[PMI_Guy]

2 words............
Bad Company
:devil:

[Punkrawkr11]

I agree with that james man. The stock cocker will be pretty nice, and he is right about the pneunamics. if it works....just leave it.

[Deep Sixx]

Originally posted by PMI_Guy
2 words............
Bad Company
:devil:

:D

I love those guys!!

D6

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by PMI_Guy
2 words............
Bad Company
:devil:

2 words

They get paid an obscene amount of money to use those guns. If they weren't getting paid to use them, they probably wouldn't

Wait a second... one... two... drat

[dropkick]

Putting upgrades on a Spyder is like putting nice rims on a Dodge Caravan.

[Codestar20]

About B.C.- They show it doens't take a high end gun to beat some quality teams.

dropkick-Some of us don't have $1200+ to drop on an angel so we slowly upgrade our markers while we get money.

[Deep Sixx]

Angel owners don't like Spyders because they don't like seeing a marker cost half as much and shoot just as fast as their $1200+ Angel.

I like Angels, but they're not worth the price... no paintball marker is.

D6

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by Deep Sixx
Angel owners don't like Spyders because they don't like seeing a marker cost half as much and shoot just as fast as their $1200+ Angel.

I like Angels, but they're not worth the price... no paintball marker is.

D6

I'm going to make a marker out of solid gold just to spite you!

Ah, who am I kidding, I don't have the ambition.... (or the money):sulk:

[Deep Sixx]

LOL! You know... I actually saw an 18k gold-plated 'cocker once! I wish I had a picture. It looked cool... not very practical, but cool!

D6

[kiakarimi]

guys.... i think i'm doing the spyder. I ask those of you who are supporters of the cocker not to hate me for my decision. haha. Thanks.

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by kiakarimi
guys.... i think i'm doing the spyder. I ask those of you who are supporters of the cocker not to hate me for my decision. haha. Thanks.

I hate you.




No, that's cool. Whatever makes you happy. Good luck using it, and good luck selling it in a few years.:laugh:

No, really, that's cool. I just like giving people a hard time. Please don't hit me.:(

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by kiakarimi
guys.... i think i'm doing the spyder. I ask those of you who are supporters of the cocker not to hate me for my decision. haha. Thanks.

The only person who will hate you for not getting the cocker, will be yourself :P

[NcicHit]

Save your money and get a Micromag.
Micromags are easy to maintain and shoot great. Add a few extra parts a BOA barrel and you have a great gun. :-)
But if you upgrade your Spyder you may be sorry you didn't get the Autococker.
Actually there is nothing wrong with a Spyder. You can hit people with a Spyder as well as a $1200 Autococker. Depends on your paint and barrel.

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by NcicHit
You can hit people with a Spyder as well as a $1200 Autococker. Depends on your paint and barrel.

Yes, I can hit people with a spyder just as well as an autococker. But I think we were talking about the gun he was using, not his opponents.:laugh:

[NcicHit]

I must of missed something here. I guess I better lay off the coffee.

[dropkick]

Originally posted by Codestar20

dropkick-Some of us don't have $1200+ to drop on an angel so we slowly upgrade our markers while we get money.

You idiot. When did I say you should go out and buy a $1200 angel? I was merely stating my opinion that tricking out a spyder is pointless, as most people end up selling their "tricked" guns for better ones.

And as for us (angel owners) being jealous of spyder owners with e-lcd frames - we would rather shoot a paintball gun that feels good in our hands than some cheaply made japanese POS.

:pissed:

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by NcicHit
I must of missed something here. I guess I better lay off the coffee.

Watch your participles.

That's like saying... "She wore a blue dress, which covered her breasts, which hung to the floor." What hung to the floor, the dress or her breasts? Makes a big difference.

Originally posted by NcicHit
You can hit people with a Spyder as well as a $1200 Autococker.

Who is with the Spyder or Autococker? A better, clearer, more understandable sentence would be "With a spyder, you can hit people just as well as you could with a $1200 Autococker."

This message has been furnished by: The Association for Correctness in the Areas of Grammar, Spelling, Math, and Physics on the Paintball Forumns. (ACAGSMPPF)

[Codestar20]

Dropkick- That was uncalled for man. I didn't even get close to smack talking you. Chill out. I never said anyone was jealous or anything like that. I agree that is a waste to trick out a blowback if you spend 700+ on it. If someone does it as a side job or slower while playing paintball then it is fine with me. Did I call you an idiot? No. Relax and have fun paintballing no matter if you shoot a PGP or a $2000+ set up with all the gizmos.

[Nessbomb]

go for the cocker dude. upgrading a spyder is like upgrading a dodge neon!

[jaronervin]

I just had this same problem, between a tricked custom 98 and a stock cocker. If you think about it, if you buy a gun already tricked, what fun is it when you can't really upgrade much? I'd get the cocker, too (which I am, actually). Jay

[Punkrawkr11]

AHAHAH Nessbomb....you are alright

[dropkick]

Originally posted by Nessbomb
go for the cocker dude. upgrading a spyder is like upgrading a dodge neon!

Stop trying to rip off my quote! :mad: :D

[nlh]

I know you've made your decision, but I'm hoping you reconsider.

I shot my friend's STO Autococker last night and, granted, they are $600, it was pretty awesome. If the regular vertical feed autocockers are anything like that, I would say get rid of the Spyder and pick up one of them.

My other friend is ordering the 2002 Vertical Feed, and now 5 of the 6 kids I play with will have Autocockers, 2 STOs and 3 "standard".

If you sell the Spyder, and don't even get too much for it, you can still get a Vertical Feed Autococker (2001?) for $340 at www.firstcallpaintball.com, and then upgrade to a new Aradus barrel. :D