Newbies and teams...

[wwhooper]

What is it with newbies always wanting to start teams? What ever happened to just rec ball? I actually think the influence of pb magazines like APG having all this tourney crap is rotting the minds of our newbies! I have a friend that wants to "start a team" and be "the star player" and he dosen't even own a marker!!!! I like scenarios. I am a walk-on. The best players ARE rec ball players, not tourney guys. The only team I MIGHT want to be on is a scenario team so I can play my favorite type of game for free (well, as long as they had a good sponsor). I hope some of you agree.

[Slayerized]

Guilty. I'm a relative Newbie, only been playing for 8 monthes, and I started a team after playing for 4 monthes. I think it's because most newbies think they're really good, and want their supposed skill to be acknowledged by showing their team how good they are. This isn't really a bad thing, just a weird trend. Maybe next, all the newbies will start opening up fields and stores.................

[wwhooper]

That'll be the day. But a funny thing did happen to my newbie cousin's field. He dosen't have an actual field really near him, so he and his friend splay "outlaw" on his property. But last week ha and a friend went out to play and the field was GONE! All the log fort he hauled up, all the bunkers that were NAILED to trees GONE!! He walked to this little kid's house who lived near by to ask if he saw what happened, but guess what he found there. His bunkers had been made into some little kid's fort... We are still plotting what to do to it.. heh heh..

[pbgod68cal]

i donno i personaly dnt care what newbies do i started a team after 3 years of playing but if newbies wanna make a team power to them its just easyer compatetion for mewhen i have to play them on the feild

[carrim]

I have only played about 10 times and I started a team. Though it is a scenario/big game team heheh.

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by wwhooper
The best players ARE rec ball players, not tourney guys.

While naturally I classify this statement as "typical hippy BS", I defy you to try and defend your point. I don't think you possibly can, because it's just not an easy position to defend. What yo're saying, is that the average guy, who goes out to the field, and plays against players who often times ar playing for the first time, with rental equipment, is better than the players who go out against competition that's typically been playing longer, owns high end equipment, and {U] practices [/U] on a rgular basis? The guy who devotes a few days a month, not to playing, but to learning only how to shoot more accurately, faster, and use cover better? The guys who consistently play with the same people, and knows how his teamates think. The guy who travels, sometimes thousands of miles, to play against the top ranked players in the world? The guy who shows up a few weekends a month, just to screw around, is the best player? Come now, where do you even come up with this sort of crap

[pbgod68cal]

ya go twitch i wanted to say som thing like that just couldent figure out how to put it

[UTLadiesMan]

I was going to say something along those lines, but I couldn't figure out how to say it elegantly without being mean. That's where Twitchy and I differ, although I completely agree with him. Even after playing in just a few tourny practice sections, I found myself significantly improved in the rec ball aspect. I only hope I get the opurtunity to do more of that in the near future.

[wwhooper]

You are full of yourself. Go to an old field, one made up of mostly woods fields. I guaruntee you, you'll find the best competiton you ever will: the old guys. I went to one just to check it out, and there was a really good team there, and an old man and his son. The old man and his son didn't lose a single game. The old man has been playin 15 yrs, and that's what I meant with that statement. The old dudes, not the pros, kick the most ***. I hate teams. They always say they're the best, SOOO unstoppable... but in the end, put em' up against the guys that have played since the sport began (rec ballers), and they squeal. To hell with teams and tourneys. Rec ball is the way the game is meant to be played. If you arogant "pros" think you are the best... Take on some experienced rec ball players sometime.

[Platinum4Life]

wwhooper- UMMMMMM........ I see that you have a tourney gun and setup and your playing rec and walk on at fields against players that bare playing for their first time! And you say Twitch is full of himself. As players that can afford the setups that tourney players have, why would we play against people that play for their first time with rentals. Tourneys are meant for players that have enough money for equipment to play in them and have experaince to play in them. Tourney players like a challenge, if tourney players took their angels and cockers to walk on and rec games all the newbies would never play again because of the unevenness. I personally think rec and tourney play is great. I love to play paintball so I do both. Tourneys are just for the more advanced players with higher budgets. As a tourney player myself, I love the competition of tourneys and the high intense action, which in most cases a day of walk on does not include. Walk on is more for fun and tourneys are more for competition.

[Deep Sixx]

I dunno... I kinda think MORE people should start teams. Heck, maybe even get real ambitious and start a local league. Strike a deal with a local field and have a league night... for a cut rate. Maybe even hold local tournaments if there's enough interest. Get together with another league/field from another city and have regional tournaments.

Hey, we might have an actual SPORT come outta this! :D

Sorry for the sarcasm, but I think people starting teams is a great idea. Hold tourneys, rec tourneys, big games, senarios... get this sport into the community and the face of the public. Hey, lots of local hockey, soccer, baseball, etc clubs even hold charity tournaments/games to help out local causes... why couldn't a paintball club do this?

Anything's possible.

D6

[LordChaos]

Platinum - I don't know about that. My ex roomate got me into the sport. Both of us are rec players only (he's turned down offers to join turniment teams). The field we played had a pair of local turni teams play in rec ball quite often. They made a point of trying to get one of the two of us out, because if they didn't, their team lost. You heard me. Their turni team, and I'm not talking just local turniments, would loose to the two of us as often as win. There's a team in CT that will remember us, because their entire team walked off the field wearing our paint.

Yes, turni teams are quite often damn good. But you can walk onto almost any field and find rec players that are just as good, if not better.

As for having your own gear, I know many rec only players that have spent more on their gear then some turni players. At any given day when I was reffing, about 1/2 the players used rentals. The other used their own gear. Some of the "regulars" included RTs, Angels, Shockers and more cockers then you could shake a stick at.

Also, it's been my experiance that rec players are doing more for the sport then turni players. The majority of the turni players I've seen don't know how to go out and actualy play for fun anymore. So they end up ruining it for the newbies. Were as your average rec player is playing for fun only. It shows in how they act on and off the field.

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by wwhooper
You are full of yourself. Go to an old field, one made up of mostly woods fields. I guaruntee you, you'll find the best competiton you ever will: the old guys.

The same old guys that have been playing in that wooded area for 10 years? There is such a thing as terrain advantage. We won our independence because of it. We lost in Vietnam because of it. If you take 5 guys that are good at speedball, and stick them in a forest with 2 guys that have been playing there for 10 years, yeah, they're going to lose. It works the same in reverse. If you took the rec ballers out of their element, and stuck them in a speedball game against pros, they would get so slaughtered that they would crawl back into their woods.

[Chad51]

Personally I don't think either are better!

The way I see it both kinds of play are extremely different and both of them have very good players!

Newbies start out playing in the woods because it is cheaper and alot of fun. Just because the newbies start in the woods doesn't mean that all rec ballers aren't as good as tourney players.

Personally I find that tourney players in general have a tendance to care more about winning then having fun where as rec players usually don't care too much about if they lose and just want to have fun. Both are equally good at their style of play and there is no really way to say one is better then the other so why not just leave it at that?

[Magnus55]

Personally, I think it takes a little added something to be a good woodsball player, as opposed to playing tourneys. It's easy to stand behind inflated bunkers shooting through case after case of paint. It's easy to play on a field with bunkers that are measured and placed, designed for symmetry and fairness to both sides. It's easy to run on level well trimmed grass, in a perfectly square arena. However playing in the woods, with the raw uneven vegetation and unfair sides and unfair topography, with roots and dirt and trees-- I think it takes a little more thought and skill than the redundant designed fields.

I'm trying to "talk smack" about tournament players or start a flame war or anything like that. And I admit, some of the best players I know are tournament players, but tournament players dedicate so much more to paintball compared to their recball counterparts. They practice and train and work to get where they are. But rec players, they just play whenever they feel like it or whenever they have money, and they do it for fun. Tourney players train and practice every week on average. Your average recballer plays once a month. So of course the tournament players are going to be better than your average recplayer, because they've dedicated a large portion of themselves to paintball and it shows. But on occasion there will be that rare player with that same tourney player dedication to recball, and he'll be just as good or better as those tourney players.

I like to look at it this way, you can put a woodsball player (decked out in camo) on a speedball field, and he'll do just as good as he would in the woods. But if you put someone who's played speedball all their lives into a woodsball game (yes in his bright red jersey and brightly colored marker) he is going to get creamed. Speedball is designed to be universal and simple-- just look how the field is laid out. That's part of the appeal. But woodsball takes that little added "oomph" to do well. You have to take advantage of the topography, and be able to use your environment around you. You have to hide and camouflage, and sneak and flank. Woodsball just has added aspects that speedball just doesn't have, making woodsball players better well rounded players.

[elTwitcho]

I think Pete Robinson sums it up best


The woodland game as it was played was never sophisticated in any sense; true, you needed reflexes and skill, but nowhere near as much as you do to win a Sup'Air ball game. So, why is there this greater need to refine skill levels and reflexes? First off, the game is a lot more condensed, players are closer together off the bat and after the primary positions have all been occupied, the front line players are no more than 10 yards apart.

Since the distance between opposing players has decreased, so has the amount of time you have to take a shot. If you think about it, how much easier is it to take someone's head off from 10 yards as against the normal 30 yards you would have found in the woodland game?

[wwhooper]

About my setup:
I got tired of my M98, so I got a cocker and got acouple of upgradescause I HATE THE COCKER TRIGGER! NO ONE at the fields I play at ever uses rentals. 1 of my fave field s dosen't have rentals, only a hole lotta regulars with sweet guns. The other only has 6 rentals, a few regulars with good guns, an AWSOME team with good guns, a couple of old guys who kick *** in speedball, and some kids with ok guns. Most rec ballers don't use rentals ( at least around here) so, you shouldn't associate rentals with rec ball.