Karnivor, Ego, or Proto?

[JEDerrick]

As of now I have a 2k5 Karni with E2. I am thinking about selling her, and going with a Proto, or Ego. I am leaning towards the Ego more due to I know the E2 pretty well. Yet then again, I have heard nothing but good about Protos.

Some help would be great!

[STO Balla 22]

They're both great guns, go with whichever one you like the feel of more.

[MestGoldfinger]

If there's nothing wrong with your karni then why not keep it

[Mr Murderdoll89]

Originally posted by STO Balla 22
They're both great guns, go with whichever one you like the feel of more.

[nerdcore]

Keep the Karni for that cocker feel.

[iplaynaked]

I'd say the ego. Probably the smallest and lightest gun out there today, with great efficiency and consistancy, and a quality stock board with the typicall aftermarket one's on the way.

[punk_rocker543]

I like the EGO but i liked the Proto more, its all preferance.

[Everlight389]

Well, which do you like the most? You're talking about a spool valve, ram driven poppet design, and your autococker. All of them will have a different feel... I highly suggest shooting each of them to see how you like each one before you do anything.

[devilnevel]

if you have already E2'ed your karni i would say just keep it if you like the feel. there is really no reason to sell it. i have heard great things about the proto and ego, but IMO its better to just keep the karni and be happy.

[f2f4]

Originally posted by STO Balla 22
They're both great guns, go with whichever one you like the feel of more.

[Ultraraptor]

Originally posted by STO Balla 22
They're both great guns, go with whichever one you like the feel of more.

[igota98custom]

I love Karni's so I'd probably keep it. Although a brand new Ego is very tempting...

[cocker kid 2k2]

Ego, hands down.

[Defiler]

I would go with a Ego, but that is just my oppinion.

[wordf0o]

Originally posted by cocker kid 2k2
Ego, hands down.

[k00leo]

I like the looks of the Karni, but the EGO is awsome.

[John Sullivan]

keep the karni

[.:{}:.]

Ego

[someday1188]

shoot them all, and decide which feels best to you.

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[iplaynaked]

or you could do the smart thing. Shoot them all, then buy the ego :P

Shoot an ego and a proto, cockers are just old technology.

[someday1188]

Originally posted by iplaynaked
or you could do the smart thing. Shoot them all, then buy the ego :P

Shoot an ego and a proto, cockers are just old technology.
Don't go there. old cockers have an older design, but keep in mind the internal combustion engine has remained relativley unchanged since its inception in the late 1800s, and it is still the most common form of motor out there. if it works, don't fix it. a karni is just as fast as an ego or a proto even if you use the old hammer/valve design. put an mq on it, and it'll blow their doors off.

Shoot them all, and decide on what feels best to you. :)

[Crede777]

Just because the technology has been around for a while doesn't mean it's bad. Even if it's been outdated that doesn't mean it's bad. Last time I checked my E-cocker can shoot 15 bps, and with the new Ram and QEV's coming in shall be able to rip just nicely.

Go with an Ego anyways.

[iplaynaked]

Bad? no. Is there better? yes.

[Crede777]

I won't argue with you there...but 21 bps is 21 bps.

[someday1188]

Originally posted by iplaynaked
Bad? no. Is there better? yes.
here we go again. :rolleyes:

alright, in the major categories of speed, weight, reciprocating mass (or lack thereof), consistency, and efficiency, what gun is now at least a top 3 contender in every category? in fact, with the advent of PBX's mQ-valve and Otterdiver's AirBolt, the cocker now flat out wins in both of those categories. it is equal to (if not greater than) a viking in efficiency, with 2000+shots off a 68/45 attainable, it can compete with a shocker and ego in weight (CQ's half-block body weighs just under what a stock shocker body weighs, and it is still a full-length half-block, much more can be milled off the back with an mQ in place), it has less kick than any matrix (the lightest matrix bolt commercially avalible, the orange bolt, weighs in at 17 grams and has an operating pressure of about 40-50 PSI, while the AirBolt weighs in at 10 grams, ram assembly included, and can consistently cycle at 20 cps on roughly 30 PSI), its consistency is on par with that of a viking (my fastback gets +-2 over the chrono), and finally it is able to outrun pretty much any gun out there, the cap being set so far a 33 bps as evidenced here (http://www.unofficialpbxsite.com/html/modules/PBXrocker/movies/PBX2.wmv) (that cap being set by the pbx autorocker, mQ-equipped and with a recip. mass of 25g).

the fact is that, in nearly any category you can think of, the autococker, or perhaps i should say autorocker since there is now nothing left to cock, can match and in most cases surpass any marker out there. end of story. some people do not like to admit this, however. but despite their best efforts, they cannot change fact. cockers are beginning their rebirth, and their reentry into the world of high-end as the kings of electros.

Originally posted by Crede777
I won't argue with you there...
i will :devil2:



shoot both and see what feels best to you. :)

[Hmmm Donut]

Proto for teh win. Cheapest choice, and shoots pretty damn nice. Use the extra cash to buy more pr0n or some ups.

[Apache Baller]

Originally posted by someday1188

here we go again. :rolleyes:

alright, in the major categories of speed, weight, reciprocating mass (or lack thereof), consistency, and efficiency, what gun is now at least a top 3 contender in every category? in fact, with the advent of PBX's mQ-valve and Otterdiver's AirBolt, the cocker now flat out wins in both of those categories. it is equal to (if not greater than) a viking in efficiency, with 2000+shots off a 68/45 attainable, it can compete with a shocker and ego in weight (CQ's half-block body weighs just under what a stock shocker body weighs, and it is still a full-length half-block, much more can be milled off the back with an mQ in place), it has less kick than any matrix (the lightest matrix bolt commercially avalible, the orange bolt, weighs in at 17 grams and has an operating pressure of about 40-50 PSI, while the AirBolt weighs in at 10 grams, ram assembly included, and can consistently cycle at 20 cps on roughly 30 PSI), its consistency is on par with that of a viking (my fastback gets +-2 over the chrono), and finally it is able to outrun pretty much any gun out there, the cap being set so far a 33 bps as evidenced here (http://www.unofficialpbxsite.com/html/modules/PBXrocker/movies/PBX2.wmv) (that cap being set by the pbx autorocker, mQ-equipped and with a recip. mass of 25g).

the fact is that, in nearly any category you can think of, the autococker, or perhaps i should say autorocker since there is now nothing left to cock, can match and in most cases surpass any marker out there. end of story. some people do not like to admit this, however. but despite their best efforts, they cannot change fact. cockers are beginning their rebirth, and their reentry into the world of high-end as the kings of electros.



not to mention an e'd cocker with good pneus will be the fastest gun you can buy

[f2f4]

Doesn't matter, all will outshoot your hopper.
They have a different feel, and different looks.

[iplaynaked]

haha I can't believe you're talking about speed. Your gun can cycle xx. I don't care. No one cares. Its not the least bit practical. How many half blocked cockers do you see? How easy are they to get? Even still, they're bigger than the ego. Plus theres that damned backblock. Kick with highends has more to do with how one gun feels shooting compared to the other than actual performance. Consistancy and efficiency are top notch on all high end contenders. And this perfect cocker you're talking about costs quite a bit more than a stock karni or ego. You can get good performance in a smaller lighter and more modern package.

[someday1188]

Originally posted by f2f4
Doesn't matter, all will outshoot your hopper.
They have a different feel, and different looks.
couldn't have said it better myself eff.

they are all high-end guns capable of out-performing even the fastest fingers without even breaking a sweat. the only difference is feel. shoot them all and decide for yourself which one you like the best

[someday1188]

Originally posted by iplaynaked
haha I can't believe you're talking about speed. Your gun can cycle xx. no, my gun can shoot xx I don't care. No one cares. Its not the least bit practical. then why do people make such an argument over it? How many half blocked cockers do you see?one right now, in my hands. How easy are they to get? just a call to race, FBM or the numerous other manufacturers out there... Even still, they're bigger than the ego.so are timmies, DMs, angels, and pretty much any other gun you care to think of, so why do people still shoot them? and news flash, HB cockers are pretty damn small Plus theres that damned backblock.which is eliminated with Halfys and the AB Kick with highends has more to do with how one gun feels shooting compared to the other than actual performance.:eyes: what? no it doesn't. kick has to do with the amount of reciprocating mass and the pressure that reciprocates it, AB cockers have little of both Consistancy and efficiency are top notch on all high end contenders. top notch is relative. 1 high end might get +-5, one might get +- 2, like my cocker. one is better than the other. end of story. efficency? don't make me laugh. stock matrix and shocker, 'nuff said. (no offence to matrix/shocker owners, spool valves are relativley inefficient, fact of life :|) And this perfect cocker you're talking about costs quite a bit more than a stock karni or ego.
- New E2 @ Ebay : $299.95
- FBM Halfass body w/ASA/Feed/Frontblock/Anno: $351
- mQ: $120
- Nexus ram @ cockerhq: $49.95
- Pair of Freeflow QEVs @cockerhq: $19.90
- Tickler @ cockerhq: $54.95
- CP Reg: $60
- CP direct mount on/off: 49.99

Total: $1005.74

Total for 1 PE ego off ActionVillage: $ 1,194.95.

remind me, which one was cheaper again? p.s. the reason it is more expensive than ActionVillage's karni is becase 1: AV has the old e1 karnis on clearance sale and 2: this "perfect cocker" is better. You can get good performance in a smaller lighter and more modern package. smaller? maybe by an inch or so, though i doubt it. lighter? maybe by an ounce or so, that i will concede. more modern? oh no no no my friend.

shoot both and decide which one you like the best.

:)

[OWNAGE]

Originally posted by someday1188


shoot both and decide which one you like the best.

:)
I can/could get a stock Ego for $975;)

[Samrog777]

Originally posted by iplaynaked
I'd say the ego. Probably the smallest and lightest gun out there today, with great efficiency and consistancy, and a quality stock board with the typicall aftermarket one's on the way.

[Crede777]

Originally posted by SpyderOWNAGE

I can/could get a stock Ego for $975;)
Link?

And Someday: Good arguement :tup:
But I don't think going through all the hoops of upgrading, halfbacking, and e2'ing the cocker appeals to the buyer. It takes a special breed of paintballer to want to put that much time and effort into a marker. Most people will opt to buy an ego which can compete extremely competently stock.

[iplaynaked]

www.pbnation.com :P

I doubt that halfblock cockers are as small and light as you say, but whatever.

But I don't think going through all the hoops of upgrading, halfbacking, and e2'ing the cocker appeals to the buyer. It takes a special breed of paintballer to want to put that much time and effort into a marker. Most people will opt to buy an ego which can compete extremely competently stock.
Exactly what I was thinking.

[EEric22]

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1130370&highlight=ego