normality

[AK47]

Is it normal to see someone with a low end semi, with a co2 tanks and a viewloader hopper? See 2many people with $1000 set ups.
thanks

[elTwitcho]

In any tournament I've ever played, if you showed up with a spyder you'd be the only guy there shooting a low end marker

[Platinum4Life]

Twitch- I don't know what tournies you go to, but every one I go to, there is at least a team or two with all tricked Tippmanns or all tricked Spyders, and they usually do pretty good.

[BigDog_spike]

He didn't say tricked out Spyder. I think he means just a spyder right out of the box. I agree that he will have a big disadvantage, but I also have seen some tricked out 98's and shutters do rather well. Electro just makes it better

[Platinum4Life]

Since when does having it electro make it better? I have seen many angels break down and cause the team to lose the tournament while the Tippmanns and Cockers and other semi autos go through without a problem and win.

[BigDog_spike]

First of all, need not get so defensive. Secondly, I have seen angels go down to, but I have also seen where they have not gone down and tear the **** out of people. I also didn't say angels.... I said ELECTROS. I am talking about any electro not just angels. I shoot a Freak Factory Impulse. My team has two other Impulses and two angels. I have seen autocockers have more trouble than Angels and I have never seen an Impulse go down.

Also lets talk why Electros make it better.
Lesson 1: Snap shooting
When snapping from a bunker with an electro you can get off 5-6 shots and get back in safe.
With a non-electro you are lucky to get 2-3 without chopping or getting gogged.

Lesson 2: Back Players
Off the break a back player can dump a whole hopper in about 25 secs.

Non electros will take a good minute to dump it, unless it is an autococker and then that will just chop it like crazy.

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by BigDog_spike
Also lets talk why Electros make it better.
Lesson 1: Snap shooting
When snapping from a bunker with an electro you can get off 5-6 shots and get back in safe.
With a non-electro you are lucky to get 2-3 without chopping or getting gogged.

Lesson 2: Back Players
Off the break a back player can dump a whole hopper in about 25 secs.

Non electros will take a good minute to dump it, unless it is an autococker and then that will just chop it like crazy.

With all due respect, I think you are full of ****.

I can get off 4 shots in a snap shoot with either my cocker or my mag rt, and with an impy, i've gotten the same. maybe one more. But certainly not more than double, or even two more at that. Secondly, I can dump my hopper with either just as fast as I can dump an impy, without breaks in any of them. To prevent you criticizing me, I will say this right now. Yes I have used an impy before. Me and my friend, side by side can dump both about the same time, switch guns and do it again. Any mechanical trigger can be just as fast as an electric with some TLC. Unless you are playing in a tourny that allows full auto, which I doubt.

[Platinum4Life]

Thank you UTLadiesMan, trust me, I don't hate electros, I am even think about getting a Impulse, but I have seen no real advantage from a Eletro To a trick Semi. To me, its all a personal thing, its really what the person is comfortable with. Remember, Bad Company placed 4th at the World Cup with EM1's and Xtras, yes I know they were tricked to the max, and another guy I was talking to has a team of 3 tricked Tippmanns and won the PRA Midsouth Series. Its the player that makes the gun, not the gun that makes the player.

[BigDog_spike]

EM1-electronic
Spyder Xtras with electronic grip Frames.



LadiesMan: I must make a correction with my post on Autocockers. I didn't mean to include them with being slow. You can get an autococker shooting fast. I just don't think that they should be included in the class with 98's and Spyders. I was just talking about them shortstroking if you get them going. In the original post he put Low-end guns. Autocockers aren't low end guns.

[elTwitcho]

Actually, that is true, usually there is one team that shows up to a tournament with low end equipment. At skyball there was a team, and they placed dead last and didn't win a single game. At the recent ZAP tournament of champions there was a team shooting tippmans and they placed dead last and didn't win a single game. I wouldn't hate on electros so much, equipment counts for alot in tournament paintball, and I personally have never had my intimidator go down on me or skip a shot through a year of playing tournies. My spyder compact on the other hand, has never made it through a full day of paintball without breaking

[BigDog_spike]

Thanks for the support Twitch. People are fighting with me about autocockers. Low end guns are Spyders and Tippmans. Maybe people should read before they post.

Do you like your Timmy? I like the orange fade one that is out. What color is yours?

[Platinum4Life]

Well BigDog, I have a "Low End Gun", its a totally tricked Model 98 and the rest of my team has 98's, and we have never came in dead last. Actually at our first tourney, we played in the Novice class, which you all know is a respectable division. We wern't in rookie or young guns. We were out there against Angels, Impulses, Timmys and Cockers. We were about to finish in 2nd or 3rd, with one game left, depending on how we did, but my friends gun shot way to hot, 311 fps and the limit for indoor is 280, so we lost mad points and came in 6th. But the rest of the teams knew how good we did throughout the day and came up and congradulated us on our good performance. Another example of "Low End Guns" doing well is a friend of mine who competed with his team in the PRA Midsouth Series, who's team also shoots all Tippmanns, won the series. The reason my team and I shoot Tippmann's at tournaments isn't because we can't afford $1000 guns, because we can, and we are considering going to all Rat Impulses or Timmys, but the reason is because we like to show the newer paintballers that they can compete with any gun, its skill that matters

[UTLadiesMan]

First of all, sorry for the delayed post. I didn't look at the Tourny Talk section for a while. Second, sorry for harping on you. I should have dissented with a little more grace and civility.

But...

Originally posted by BigDog_spike
Non electros will take a good minute to dump it, unless it is an autococker and then that will just chop it like crazy.

Autocockers do not chop like crazy. They have never been bad for people used to the trigger, and when the 2K's moved to the holed trigger instead of the slotted (like the original Gen-X), very few people have short stroked. With a holed trigger you can put the 3-way trip right on top of the sear release, making short stroking nearly impossible. The only balls I have ever broken in my cocker were when the timing rod started slipping loose and then it loaded without cocking. When it was recocked, the ball bust because there were several in a line. I have never chopped a ball, but of course, my marker is so low pressure that if the bolt ever hit the ball it would barely ding it.

[BigDog_spike]

READ WHAT YOU WRITE!!!!!!!!!!!!

You shoot a TRICKED MODEL 98!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not just a stock spyder or stock Model 98.

A tricked out model 98 will do ok in tournies. A stock one, I beg to differ. Maybe you should realize what you are trying to fight about. You say Low End gun. If you put a bunch of money into a gun, it isn't really low end anymore is it?

LadiesMan: No prob. My alternate has an autococker (older) and he short strokes it all the time. I didn't know that they changed anything with it.

[BigDog_spike]

Also, I just read your profile Platinum. You are 15 years old. I am sure that you were playing huge caliber teams in that tournament. I would like to have seen how you would've done in a larger tourney. Don't be jealous of people that have nice guns. Just because I work 25 hours(While I am in college) a week to pay for paintball and my sportbikes doesn't give you the right to get on here and say that your Tricked model 98 is so much superior to any other gun. I am sure that if you were given a choice, between keeping your model 98 and an Angel you would sell out and get the angel. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT???? BECAUSE YOU THINK AN ANGEL IS BETTER!!!!!!! You can't tell me that you would truthfully keep your 98 over an Angel. After you are old enough to get a job and pay for your own stuff, then come on here and tell us what gun you is better.

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by BigDog_spike
LadiesMan: No prob. My alternate has an autococker (older) and he short strokes it all the time. I didn't know that they changed anything with it.

The only thing they changed was the trigger plate. It used to be a oval slot, now it's just a simple circle. $20 and you won't short stroke nearly as often. Of course, the timing gets slightly harder, and you can not pull the trigger very slowly any more, but all in all a worth while update.

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by BigDog_spike

Do you like your Timmy? I like the orange fade one that is out. What color is yours?

Blue fade, and I wouldn't trade it for any other marker in the world

[Platinum4Life]

BigDog_spike- So you think cuz I am 15, my mommy pays for everything and I do nothing, ROFL. Have you ever heard of Robinhood Black, well thay placed 1st in novice at a Zap IAO last year, and they were there at the last tourney I played at, as well as Yellow Bellies and other extremly good teams. And next month I am playing at the National Indoor Championship in Tennesse. So don't tell me I don't play in big tournys. As fas as how I pay for my stuff, my team has a couple local sponsers and I work for one of them. And you said I rather have an angel, actaully I was given the choice to get one or stay with my Tippmann, but because I am so loyal to Tippmann, I decided to stay with them for atleast until July. I am not saying Tippmanns are better then Angels, but for now, I am completly happy with my 98.

[BigDog_spike]

So would've you had to pay for this Angel or get it for free? If you would've had the chance to get it for free, you wouldn't be so loyal. So what place to you expect to place? Last........should be your expectations.

[Platinum4Life]

I would have got it for free yes, and I could easily buy one also, but like I said I am loyal to Tippmann. I like your little coment about coming in last. I got a good laugh out of it. Its too bad your not gonna be there, but I will be sure to post the results. I ain't saying my team is gonna win, cuz I aint as cocky as you. But I know for sure we will compete and not come in last.

[AK47]

Why don't you take the angel and sell the dam thing if you can buy one anyway?

[Platinum4Life]

Because I am happy with my Tippmann and I have sponsers that I have told that my teams purpose in showing newer players that Tippmanns can compete, and if my team and I bought Angels, we would be going against everything we belevie in as far as our focus on paintball. We are out to prove you don't need a $1000 setup to be good, you need skill to be good. Skill is taught, not bought.

[BigDog_spike]

Spoken like a true kid that is jealous of people with better guns.

Newbie = "I don't need a good gun, I have skill"


Here is a question for you. Give me the pros and cons of your gun VS. angels.

Oh yeah I would also like to see you point out in my previous posts that I said my team came in first? I didn't say that at all. What is your team name? Are you sponsored exclusively by tippmann? I guess Ignorance in bliss.

A quick English lesson to...........AINT ISN'T A WORD
You should've said "I'm not as cocky as you"
Doesn't surprise me of that with the stupid opinions that you give on here

[Platinum4Life]

How am I jealous of people with better guns, I have had Hi End guns. And I am not even close to being a newbie. The pros and cons of my gun vs an angel, well thats quite simple, I am comfortable with my Tippmann and I am happy with it. It performs exactly how I want it to, and it is extremly reliable. My team name is Jokers Wild and no we aren't sponsered by Tippmann exclusively, we are in the process of that. We are sponsered by other companies that make Tippmann upgrades. Well I am glad you know the english language so well. I am extremly sorry I used a hint of slang, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to. But can you show me where newbie is in the dictionary? I don't see how you think I am jealous, I have a successful team and sponsers, I am happy with my gun. What more could I want?

[BigDog_spike]

I like how you tried to get yourself around answering my question. Just shows that you know your gun is inferior to the others.

AINT isn't slang, it is just bad english.

Newbie is slang for NEW PLAYER.

[Platinum4Life]

Well I wasn't trying to get around your question, yes I know angels have a lot more features. I am not gonna deny that, but your the reason why people get out of this sport, not every one has the money to spend on angels and other guns up there, and all my team and I are out to do, is show that to compete in this sport you don't have to be loaded as far as money goes. We are out to compete yes, but more then anything, to have fun. Maybe we will never win the world cup, that is just fine. I play this sport cuz it is fun, and I compete cuz I am competitive person. I am not gonna argue with who what gun is better then the next. I like to show new players that this is all about fun and not about how much money you spend.

[BigDog_spike]

I am in the sport for the same reason. I didn't come on here to argue with anyone either. I was jst saying that the speed of electros do give you an edge over the competition. I know that you have to admit that an angel will out shoot your Tippmann. This sport does require skill to be successful. I like to think that I do have some skill and that is why I bought my Freak Factory Impulse. The only reason that I bought that gun was because I knew my Spyder Shutter couldn't keep up with the higher end guns. If you go to tournaments, all you really see are the higher end guns.

[Platinum4Life]

Yes Angels outshoot my Tippmann in ROF yes, but not by a mile. My trigger pull is pretty short itself, with mods and my toxic performance trigger, no its not 2mm, but its still short comapred to most guns. Yes I see mostly hi end guns at tourneys, but thats what makes my team unique. I just like to be different. If everybody had the same stuff that wouldn't be fun, thats why I love paintball, its a personal preferance thing.

[AK47]

Now are you to done bickering like ladies? Low ends are good for building skill, high ends give you an advantage when used with skill. Period.
Also who gives about "bad English"? You got no better argument so your using that. Thats Sad.

[BigDog_spike]

Actually we both had good arguments. I was just using that to pic at him. I have talked to him already and he knows that. You asked the question and we were talking about it. If you weren't smart enough to know the answer before you asked it, you shouldn't be in here.


Thanks

[AK47]

Dude, that makes no sense.
I don't know the answer thats why Im here.

[BigDog_spike]

Then why did you write this, "Low ends are good for building skill, high ends give you an advantage when used with skill". That answers the reason why no low end guns are at tournies.

[AK47]

I wrote it because I don't know why You see High ends in a rook tourny. Rooks suck, so it not nessasry. Thats the point of the post. Why rooks have high ends. Sorry for not being specific about that.

[BigDog_spike]

I think we all need to take a break. We all are just confusing the hell out of each other and that is causing tension. We all have valid points for the arguements, but we are all arguing about something completely different. So none of us will win with each other.

[chadlytle]

If you gave an experienced player a "low end gun" he would just as good as if he had a high end gun. A gun dosnt make the player unless you suck!:P

[kr8er]

thats not necessarily true i mean give the best player a talon with brass eagle balls and well he wont be hittin much, give him a timmy, bushy, impy, then you better watch out... i mean two equal skilled players.. one has a spyder, one has an angel, chances are the angel would win , why?? because an angel outperforms a spyder which helps!!! the player by letting him use his skill with a good gun which overall improves your game

[DeAd SoUlJa]

the thing that gets me is why do people always say that a team with some upgraded blowbacks cant beat a team with electros or high end semis. now look at bad company and i know they get paid alot of moeny for using spyders but they arent that bad. i plan on starting to enter some tournies but im not gonna go out and spend $1000 on a marker just because everyone else got them. my team and i practice alot and are currently getting better all the time. im happy with the way my spyder se performs and next year i may move on to an automag for the extra edge but right now im not going to do that.