Truth about response trigger

[berto33]

ok, ive heard allot of bs about the rt. tell me the truth.




ive heard stuff like 13 balls a seccond max and then someone said 18 balls a seccond:confused:


i heard it guzzles co2, but it uses excess gas:confused:


I heard it was a hard install:confused:

i heard it was legal in tournys then i heard it was illeagal:confused: help help help

[John Sullivan]

Originally posted by berto33
ok, ive heard allot of bs about the rt. tell me the truth.





ive heard stuff like 13 balls a seccond max and then someone said 18 balls a seccond:confused:
I'm pretty sure the response is capable or around 16-18. It is on the a5 and I'm pretty sure on the 98.


i heard it guzzles co2, but it uses excess gas:confused:
I've heard it does use a tad bit more co2 but Tippmanns aren't very efficient stock so I'm not quite sure


I heard it was a hard install:confused:
That kind of depends. How good are you with things like this? I guess it could be.

i heard it was legal in tournys then i heard it was illeagal:confused:
In leagues such as the nppl and such than yes it is illegal. In local and small tournies you may want to talk to them. It might be illegal at your local places though. help help help

[berto33]

THX Do you have to knock out that rectangle thing on the grip to install ? i heard you do

[xavier678]

you dont. you do have to knock out a circular cut out though.

its very simple to install if you are mechanically-minded, if not buy one at a pro shop and just have them do it. they should for free.

[Sickmall]

Okay. Let me clear some things up for you.

It's not difficult to install. It is time consuming. I have an rt for my 98c and my buddy has one for his a5. It's capable of 16-18 balls a sec (I've clocked at 17) if you give it some love (adjust it right, use it right and have enough gas). It's a little more gas hungry and by a little I mean a verry little. Depends on what tourney for legality. If you're a pro, get an angel instead. If not ask your field.

[MisterNewbie]

If i get the R/T for my A-5 do i really need a double trigger or the stock one will do the job?

Oh and if i dont buy the R/T what should i get between those: A-5 expansion chamber (for less CO2 used) or a second 20 oz CO2 tank?

[John Sullivan]

20 oz a/sed tank

[slaminator3323]

For the record it does not use excess gas, use common sense people.

[berto33]

The response trigger is a drop-in kit for the 98 Custom. The response trigger kit increases your trigger speed by resetting the trigger and sear with EXCESS gas during firing.

[John Sullivan]

Then why does the response use more gas?:eyes:

[berto33]

Right now, i think its that people get the idea of it being a gas hog in their heads and like you said tippys arent very gas efficient in the first place so they assume its because of the rt.

[John Sullivan]

But when it gets worse all of a sudden when you put on a reponse then what is happening?

[berto33]

i dont personally know if it gets worse or not, but if it does then tippmans lying to us when they say it uses excess gas. Have you used it and actually counted how many shots you get with it off and with it on? im intrested in getting real data.

[John Sullivan]

I don't know the actual stats but my a5 gets more shots than our feild owner's son's a5. He has a response and we both use 20 oz co2.

[berto33]

i think the response sort of (Mabey) runs off of the air released with every trigger pull not excess so you shoot slower(fps). and you turn up your velocity, to what would normally be over 300fps but because the rt it sucks some of the air making it shoot slower than normal.

this might be hard to follow but its what i think.

[skene]

The RT does use excess gas, and yes Tippys are gas hogs to begin with but you will find yourself using more co2/n2 because the marker now fires faster than you previously did without RT installed.

Hope that answers your question.

More BPS = More Gas Consumption

[Sickmall]

There's actually more to it than that. If you think for a minute about how the gas flows through a marker you can more or less understand what is happening here. The trigger is pulled. This releases the rear cocking assembly, which in turn forces the valve to open, thereby letting gas into your powertube. If you have an rt installed the gas now has three separate routes to escape from the gun. Pressurized gas will follow the path of least resistance (or in this case flow through all three paths at volumes proportional to the frictional coefficients and diameters at the narrowest point of each path). Obviously markers are designed so that most of the gas works to propel the ball forward. Then some is used to push the rear cocking assembly back into place. In the case of the rt, some gas is routed to pressurize the rt cylinder, pushing the trigger back to the ready position. In either case (with or without the rt) the unused pressurized gas escapes through the cocking bolt assembly. Technically there is no such critter as "excess gas". All gas is routed exactly as the design permits and all energy is used or released (with or without an rt). All that happens is we have to up the velocity at the ball velocity adjuster ever so slightly to allow for a more desirable path for gas to flow through, leaving less gas to escape through the open bolt. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the amount of gass that escapes in the time the valve is open depends on the combined resistance of each flow path (barrel, cocking assembly, rt). So depending on how you have your rt setup, you may use way more or just a little tiny bit more gas than stock.

Condensed Version:

Your tippman with rt will use (slightly to significantly) more gas than stock depending on how you've set your rt up.

Edit: Gas efficiency (which is what we are talking about) is NOT AFFECTED by ROF, (except where volumizing comes into play. I.E. liquid CO2 getting into your valve).

[berto33]

Thanks sickmall you helped me understamd that alot better.

and skene, how does more rof affect your gas consumption. the same amount of gas is released with each cycle whether you fire 100 balls at 20 bps or at 5 bps