Nerve and shocker differences

[seanrquinn]

hey, my dad is going to either geta shocker or a nerve, and i was wondering for him, what is the differnece of the two?

[the Ydna]

Really they're two completely different guns, that have the same frame and electronics (mostly). The shocker is a spool valve gun whereas the Nerve is a stacked open bolt electropneumatic.

[Tabris17]

The nerve also has an lpr while the shocker doesn't. Though I just saw that Evil recently released a mount and lpr combo for the shocker so you can regulate the pressure better as opposed to just using an hpr.
Both are really nice, I've only seen one Nerve up close but the guy was having problems with it that day. But you'll definately turn heads with a Nerve, though shockers are nice too. So it's really hard to say which is better, it's kind of matter of preference but just because I think less overall work would have to go into setting it up, perhaps the Nerve is a better go since it already comes with an lpr.

[the Ydna]

Well Shockers don't have LPRs because they don't need them. The design makes it so the LPR pressure can't be dropped too far below the input pressure. The Nerve uses an LPR becuase the design isn't as dependant like the Shocker is.

[Tabris17]

I heard people blow noids faster on shockers because it doesn't have an lpr. But I haven't had a chance to research it. Like I said, both are nice markers and it's really a matter of preference.

[seanrquinn]

yeah like i said, this isnt really a versus thread, its a "difference" thread, so amaizing spydaman dont go "no versus threads."

[Tabris17]

It's a polite discussion amongst players. No need to worry. I'd say some research and a visit to your local field in order if you're not sure still. Shockers are very light but I've never held a nerve so I can't say how heavy or light they are. So... hmm... it's really a tough call.

[seanrquinn]

yeah my dad just wanted a new gun that's accurate and reliable. soooo, he says hmm a thousnad dollar gun must be good. we have moneys to spare, so yeah.... he likes the shocker because its soooo small. He also wants it to be electro-pnuematic so it will have less kick, you can list other guns that are like that that you have tried or own, if you want.

[G 2]

Nerve is over-priced IMO and also shockers are spool-valves where a nerve is more like an impulse. But really, if he wants a 1000$ gun...go proto :tup:

Who agrees?

[the Ydna]

Nerves aren't $1000.....

[Tabris17]

Nerves and Shocker visions are both around 800 now. 1000 if you buy the ultimate packages with the max-flo and tanks. And proto 05's are 800 now and I can't say to go out and get an 06 Proto because I know nothing about them except for that email Dye sent out.
But for a thousand you could get an Intimidator. Those are 650-950 for the 05 models depending on which one you're looking at. I can at least vouch for the Timmy and say those are very good.

[seanrquinn]

yeah, my dad started on his search, and found the dragon and the a-bomb very nice, but then he saw the shockers and liked how compact they were

[smartguy41]

Shocker + Impulse = Nerve

[Tabris17]

I use a 2k2 Dragon timmy right now and they are very nice markers and I'll leave it at that because anything else if for the Bob Long forum.
The shockers are very compact and light but the Nerve gets overlooked as well. They're all top notch markers and when you put in the right time to look and compare you can find the right one for you. Which actually reminds me since I was considering either a Shocker or Nerve for a backup... how many shots would I get on a 45/4500 HP tank? Is the Nerve an air hog like the shocker?

[smartguy41]

All SP guns that I have used are gas hogs.

[Tabris17]

Alright then, is the Nerve a spring returned bolt by any chance?

[Team Chokepoint]

No. Fully electro-pneumatic. Picture an Impulse, but with the pullpin located at the back of the gun.

[Duckdude]

Asside from the differences in operation, the Nerve/Shocker comparison imho:

Nerve has much easier velocity tuning traits since all one does is screw in/out the front lpr knob. Dats it. It provide 2 small allen tourny locks when needed. The Shocker owner has to fiddle with the dwell. Major pain.

Nerve has an excellent lowrise clamping feedneck. The Shockers feedneck suckz.

Nerve is a more efficient marker. With a slightly modified first gen Nerve(#288 with the non-teflon insert rear hammershaft. ND bolt, CP reg, vented rear plate)and after 80K shots, I consistantly get 1050+ shots from a 45/45. A Shockers lucky to get 700(more like 600).

Less recipocating mass. Only the downsized hammer(as stated, think optimized or refined 2nd gen impy), and the relatively small slave bolt(ND is a great upgrade that=15fps efficiency gain) move on the Nerve.

About the same weight after you drop the heavy slainless freak system.

Nerve is more reliable as a whole. We work on lots if Shockers(we are a factory auth dealer and service tech) and hardly ever with the Nerve. Mines been flawless for 80K shots to date. Again fwiw.

Same general bps performance(and feel to a large degree).

Nerve is more pimp fwiw(not nearly as many out there as all the other major contenders).

I sell lots of both. The Shocker by far out sells all my other highend markers. Dust black with the matching Freak back is the most out of those. fwiw.

I'm not a fan of the DM series. Air hogs. Problematic. Over priced compared to its comp.

Duck

[seanrquinn]

so thats a vote for nerve?

[Tabris17]

That's good it's not spring return. I had a Raven Primal for a bit and the bolt is spring return even though it doesn't look it until you open it. But knowing it's pneumatic makes me want one a bit more. Though price is still a big factor, I might end up getting an Imp or Ion just for the price as it's a backup.
Still, maybe I'll luck out and get some money and I can look into a nerve. But I know with a timmy you set the lpr and then change velocity with the hpr. What should the lpr psi on the Nerve be set too?

[Duckdude]

I like both markers...but I prefer the Nerve if its my $(and it was). After you spend the $100 for an HE bolt, $35 for a feedneck, and a few other mods...you coulda had a Nerve to begin with. And, the Nerve will still be easier to change velocity as well as remaining more efficient despite the HE bolt addition.

Typically, the vertical "main" reg should be set around 195-200psi on the Nerve. Then tune your final velocity with the front lpr.

I'm not a fan of the stock reg btw. Great performance..if you can keep o-rings in it. Some do fine tho, while others aren't so lucky.

[Tabris17]

So you gas the marker up, adjust the hpr so the gauge is about 200 psi and then do velocity through the lpr?
That's backwards from what I'm used to doing with my timmy...

[the Ydna]

The LPR is used to fine-tune the velocity, but you'll need to use the input pressure to get it in the ballpark to where it needs to be.
If you have a tester for the LPR you can fine-tune the air comsumption but that has to be bought separately.

[Tabris17]

So no gauge for the lpr? Wow, hmm... I need to think about this then.

[Duckdude]

Yes, theres a gauge for the front vert reg. Most models of the Shocker don't come with one(England ano colors do->dust black, gold, and now Olive). The front lpr(below the barrel) is for velocity adjustment, and doesn't need..nor accomidate a gauge.

[the Ydna]

That's correct. But if you really want to use a gauge, you can purchase the NDZ LPR tester and use it to fine-tune the gun. I wouldn't suggest taking the LPR tester out on the field though.

[undefinable16]

so nerve over shocker or shocker over nerve..? ive been thinking for about 5 weeks and still cant decide...

[equipmentcounts]

Nerve according to smartparts is over shocker
er just look at the prices