help!!!

[PbAllWiZZ]

What guns canyou attach low pressure chambers to. I see all these gun that have things that look like low pressures systems.Is there any way to tell just by lookng at the gun??????

[HondaRacer2120]

any gun that has a hole in the front of the vert. adaptor......if it can have one the factory will install it

[PbAllWiZZ]

Hey me again. If I install a low pressure gas chamber on my gun does it have to be that guns company. Example:A spyder chamber on a pirahna?Also do I have to have some special valve.

[UTLadiesMan]

It doesn't matter as long as it fits.

Also, I just want to make sure that you know that adding an LP chamber does not make your marker LP on it's own. You will probably need a new valve, bolt, spring kit, and regulator, and the LP chamber just adds a little bit once you have all of the other stuff added. Also, if you have a really fast charging reg, the LP chamber may not help much at all. If you already have all of that, then yeah, most LP chambers will fit. Just make sure you get one designed for your marker or it's original clone. (I.E. if you have a fishy then a Spyder LP chamber will fit.) Also, if you have one with a vertical setup, (air goes into the underside of the main body) you might need a new vertical adapter that has the hole drilled. They usually don't use those stock because you would have to plug it if you don't have an LP chamber.

[PbAllWiZZ]

How do I know which springs and stuff to by and why would I need a new bolt and valve. Plus(since i'm a newbie)can you explain this vertical adaptor thingy?


P.S.What do diffrent springs do?

[PbAllWiZZ]

oh yeah what is this regulator thing??????????????
:confuse:

[UTLadiesMan]

Different springs have different tensions. By changing springs, you change how much tension is put on the striker. The more tension being exerted onto it, the more force it pushes with. Having a lighter spring, would cause the striker to hit with less force, making the valve stay open for a shorter duration of time. (because it to is open and closed with a spring)

Ok, so your valve isn't open as long. Well, you need more air to go through it now, to push the ball to the same speed. You could increase your air pressure but that would take a nitro tank and reg capable of putting out a higher pressure, which they usually can not do. Besides, it would be terribly inefficient and inconsistent. Ok, so the time is set, and you don't want to increase the pressure. What can you do? Well, about the only thing left is increase the flow. By increasing how much air at a certain pressure can move through the marker in a given time, you can increase how much air hits the ball. Now you need a new valve and bolt, which are designed for high flow operation. These generally have much bigger passage ways, and rounded corners to keep the air moving fluidly.

Ok, so now you've increase the flow by a lot. By doing this you have increased efficiency tremendously. (because the air can move more easily and effectively, and less effect is lost in travel). As a side effect of this improved efficiency, you must drop your pressure, or you will shoot hot, or in some cases, actually below 300. (the valve has so much pressure on it, that it can not open for a long enough period of time.) Now you need a regulator which regulates the air coming into the marker. It does this through a sequence of springs, which I will not get into right now.

Ok, so now your marker is operating well at a low pressure. Where does the Low Pressure chamber fit into all of this? Well, it basically increases the amount of regulated air that can be stored in your marker. It is a help to boost consistency and extra flow (the regulator doesn't have to continually flow while the valve is opened), but unless you are already LP, it isn't going to help much.



Also, ASA - This is the standard adaptor that takes the CO2 and screw in nitro threads. Anything you can screw your tank into, is an ASA.

Vertical ASA - On most markers, the part where the air actually goes into the marker. Usually an ASA as above, and usually on the bottom (the tank would be vertical) thus we call it a vertical ASA. (an ASA where your tank would be vertical if attached)

[PbAllWiZZ]

Hey UTLadiesman, first off I would like to thank you for your help.So your are sying that I need a harder or what ever spring and also my friend has a spyder compact java edition with a low pressure chamber but doesn't have a regullator, please explain!?:dunce:

[UTLadiesMan]

If you don't go LP, you don't need a new spring set. They are handy to have because on any given day, your velocity could be anywhere on the map, and it's a good way to automatically swing 40fps either way. LP however, really only produces benefits when you get the entire package, and it's really expensive for what it does, especially in blowbacks. (because it does less than, say an electro or cocker)

You don't need a regulator if you aren't operating at low pessure, because high pressure operation is around 850psi, which just happens to be what CO2 exerts until all of the liquid is gone.

An LP chamber just holds extra air in your marker, ready to use. All of the air in your marker (including the LP chamber) is at some pressure. If you have a regulator, the pressure equals the regulator's output pressure. If you are running off of CO2 (or most pre-set nitrogen (which actually have a regulator on them)) then all the gas stored in your marker is 850psi. So an LP chamber is just a big tube of space holding air. By doing this, that air is ready to go, and doesn't have to travel very far. This has benefits in CO2, because CO2 gets cold and loses pressure when it moves. However, as soon as you fire, the pressure in your LP chamber is lower too, until the CO2 in your tank can expand all of the way up. The only thing it would do in that setup is keep the pressure from falling as fast. You would be able to get off maybe one more shot before shoot-down in that case, but it would take longer to recharge after that.

OK, let me simplify that... with an LP chamber on a high pressure marker with no regulator running on CO2, you might see the following side effects:

1) When you shoot long strings quickly, you can get about one more shot off before the pressure starts dropping rapidly due to the moving CO2.

2) After that extra shot, you will start going down in pressure faster, because it will take longer to fill that extra space.

Of course, it will be hard to shoot fast enough to notice these differences, so in practice having an LP chamber on a high pressure marker running on CO2 works about the same as not having one. In theory, it should operate a little better under most circumstances, but when you're on the field that extra .5-1fps really won't catch your attention.

[PbAllWiZZ]

so as long as I'm not using something with a high pressure on my gun like CA or Nitro I don't need a reg?



P.S.Sorry If I'm Gettin on Yer nerves but I''m a newbie and all :dunce:

[UTLadiesMan]

Not exactly... HPA tanks already have regs on them, so you don't need a second reg. As long as your marker isn't running at LP, you don't need a reg.

[PbAllWiZZ]

all right, let me get all this crap sorted out. I need to get all these special parts plus a regulator just to make a low pressure chamber work?Also if I were to buy something with a low pressure chamber on it like a fishy or a spyder do they come with the special internals like valves and stuff and automaticcaly work like a gun setuo for low pressure without a regulator?If a gun does come with internals can i change it back to a non low pressure gun.If I did this would I have to take everything out including the chamber so it would just fire normally not low pressure?Thanks alot!:dunce: