rainmAKER OR BALCK DRAGUN?

[chadlytle]

SHOULD i BUY A RAINMAKER OR A BLACK DRAUGN? TELL ME WHY. THANKS

[bigbobmegadeth]

by a blackdragun, my dad has one and i think it is the best paintball gun for 200 or less on the market. dont by the rainmaker because it is made by brass eagel, nuff said.

[SGT BiGGiE]

Originally posted by bigbobmegadeth
by a blackdragun, my dad has one and i think it is the best paintball gun for 200 or less on the market. dont by the rainmaker because it is made by brass eagel, nuff said. actually,nothing wa said here,i'd say rainmaker because as an owner i lvoe it highly customizeable tinkers gun,the black dragun is just too damn new right now,if you want one wait til they get the bugs out of it

[weefek]

get that new sweet black dragun, the sniper one. it has full auto and stuff.

[bigbobmegadeth]

Originally posted by SGT BiGGiE
actually,nothing wa said here,i'd say rainmaker because as an owner i lvoe it highly customizeable tinkers gun,the black dragun is just too damn new right now,if you want one wait til they get the bugs out of it

there are no buggs except fot the stock barrel, the barrel sucks.

[SGT BiGGiE]

Originally posted by bigbobmegadeth


there are no buggs except fot the stock barrel, the barrel sucks.

there is always little things they change in markers after they are out for a few months,and i dont really see the dragun being different,but who knows somebody may have finally worked out the bugs before releaseing,only time will tell

[bigbobmegadeth]

well if there are buggs then they are good ones because my dads blackdragun with a zero gravity on co2, shoots almost as accurate as my cocker on HPA! but my dad has like a hundred dollar dot sight. he has put 10,000 rounds through it and has only choped one ball and broke one ball, and that is cause they were seconds.

[noggins_1500]

I would definately get the dragun. They recently released some new models of it. Sure the dragun doesnt have much of a rep. but Brass Eagle does, a VERY bad one. Besides, a dragun is much more upgradeable and you dont really want to do 'tinkers' upgrades to a gun unless you REALLY know what your doing.

[slickguy55]

get a dragon , the are compact and light

[Big BOOM BOOM]

Rainmaker, cause its closed bolt!

[infil]

Look at the pro's and cons.
I've messed around with both, heres what I thought.

Rainmaker's do give the advantage of being a low priced electro, but the biggest complaint is that the rainmaker alone, no tank, no hopper etc, weighs as much if not more than any of my other guns fully loaded(68ci tank, full hopper, barrel etc). The accuracy of it isn't terrible but its not spectacular either. And it is LOUD.

With the dragun, I found it to be pretty solid. Was incredibly light due to the ammount of metal in the body. The trigger was very comfortable( i personally like a very narrow double that has got a pull that is 2mm or less) and the rof wasn't too bad.

Both guns became blenders if they were railed on, however the dragun seemed to take a higher rof before becoming a goomaker.
They both seemed to do pretty well on Co2, however the rainmaker was, as I said, just plain heavy with a 20oz co2 tank on the end of it. The electronics package under the shroud makes it ungodly front heavy. Adding a heavier tank might help but that gun would have to be measured in 10's of lb's.

The weight was the biggest downside to the rainmaker, and the blendage factor of the dragun was its biggest downside. The rainmaker did handle some crud in the barrel better, and wasn't as finicky with paint.

Hope this helps,

[D-RoK]

The Rainmaker is one of the few guns to score a perfect 10 out of 10 in both slow aimed fire and aimed rapid fire when reviewed by Action Pursuit Games magazine. :tup:

[infil]

Updating my last post,
After playing with a newer dragun for a few games, DEFINATELY the dragun.

I could not outrun the hopper with it, which I was amazed with.
It is incredibly quick, but not so much that it outruns itself or the hopper.

Definately a great gun, and awsome bang for the buck.

[Wsup!]

Black Dragun, no question about it!

[paint_suey]

I have shot both and black dragun is built just like a spyder. I think I would prefer the rainmaker because the gun detects wether a paintball is ready to be shot so you don't chop. go to www.paintballgear.com The black dragun is $170 and the rainmaker is $200.

[Skating Penguin]

If you must chose, between a gun, the first thing to eleminate, is anything with the words "Brass eagle" on the box, gun, paintballs etc.
You have experianced widom of the Penguin.
Anyother use of wisdom of the Penguin not regarding to SKating Penguin will be but not limited to prosicution by my SL-68II

[Murph1]

Apparently the wisdom of the penguin is nonexistant. You come to a BE forum to BE Bash. Get a life.

[mattyfatty182]

Originally posted by bigbobmegadeth
but my dad has like a hundred dollar dot sight.

OHHHHH MY GOD!!!!!!!! Does that help his accuracy at all?

suey
rainmaker because the gun detects wether a paintball is ready to be shot so you don't chop.

Umm no they don't. Learn some facts before you post.

Skating Penguin
Anyother use of wisdom of the Penguin not regarding to SKating Penguin will be but not limited to prosicution by my SL-68II

Quite the ****** with our SL68 aren't we? :rolleyes:

[paint_suey]

yeah they do smart guy read the summary of the gun. don't be bash u as$ muffin.

[mattyfatty182]

Here, clown shoes, I'll put it in simple terms for you:

I OWN 2 RAINMAKERS!! Why would I come in here and bash BE? I repeat I own 2, and I know from expirience, they don't have an ACE.

[paint_suey]

I'm not saying your bashing but read the info on the rainmaker. I remember reading about it.

[mattyfatty182]

BrassEagle.com
An electronically controlled SUPER SEMI AUTOMATIC firing sequence allows this state of the art marker to fire up to 13 shots per second. The PATENTED TECHNOLOGY includes an internal dual-regulated system that divides the incoming gas pressure through two regulators. The primary regulator maintains a constant 450 psi thus allowing rapid firing without a velocity drop-off. The secondary regulator redirects a small amount of the incoming gas and reduces the pressure to a scant 100 psi. This lower pressure actuates the electronic four-way valve which controls the movement of the bolt and the hammer via a air cylinder. The electronic brain prevents gas from being released through the bolt until the ball has been placed in the barrel and the bolt has traveled past the vertical feed port, thus eliminating blow back. The same circuit board directs the bolt to react when resistance is encountered preventing ball breakage. The Rainmaker® further expands the technology envelope and serves as BRASS EAGLE®'s entry into the world of ultra-high performance paintball markers.

PaintballRavi.com
How it works
Despite it’s electropneumatic nature, the Rainmaker actually has an extremely simple mechanism. If you are familiar with the Vector, this will all be very familiar to you since the Rainmaker is very similar, but with a solenoid-operated 4-way valve (the MAC valve) rather than one operated mechanically.

In short, the Rainmaker’s hammer cycles very much like an auto-trigger equipped Nel-Spot pump-gun. From front to back are the bolt carrier, hammer spring, hammer assembly, and the exhaust valve and guide. The hammer assembly incorporates both the hammer and sear into a single unit. The sear is a rocking part attached to the bottom of the hammer which can hook the bolt carrier if it is brought close enough. When the ’gun is pumped back, the bolt carrier is pressed back against the spring towards the hammer. When the bolt carrier is pressed back far enough, the sear on the hammer assembly catches the bolt carrier, trapping the compressed spring between the two parts. When the pump-gun was pumped forward, the whole locked-together assembly was brought forward, positioning the sear over the trigger. When pulled, the trigger would unlatch the sear from the bolt carrier, allowing the spring to launch the hammer back into the valve. When fired in auto-trigger mode, the trigger was just held in while the ’gun was repeatedly pumped back and forth, the ’gun firing automatically when the sear bumped the trigger on the forward stroke.

In the Rainmaker, rather than you having to pump the ’gun manually, a pneumatic cylinder (the "ram") works the bolt carrier back and forth. Instead of a trigger, a permanently placed rod releases the sear from the bolt carrier on the forward stroke. The ’gun starts in the pumped-back position (open bolt), pumps forward to fire, and then pumps back to feed a new paintball, relatch the sear to the bolt carrier, and await the next trigger pull. Unlike Nel-Spot pump-guns, the valve is more Sheridan-like, feeding it’s outflow up into a bolt above it rather than forward through a power tube and bolt in line with the valve. The bolt is coupled to the bolt carrier by a bent rod that rides between the upper and lower receivers.

The end result of all this is that all the ’gun has to do to fire is pump the bolt carrier back and forth. That’s it. A single action to fire the paintgun without any of the complex timing issues that plague the other electropneumatic paintguns on the market today. This makes the ’gun simple, reliable, and relatively headache-free for the average player.

The trigger operates a micro-switch in the grip. The circuit board hidden in the grip operates the MAC valve, switching it back and forth when the trigger is pulled. The MAC valve is really nothing more than an electronic (solenoid-operated) 4-way valve not at all unlike similar valves found in the Angel, Bushmaster 2000, and Shocker. The MAC valve sends a low pressure air feed first to the back of the ram, pumping forward and firing the ’gun, and then to the front to pump it back and reset the whole assembly.



Features
Air input to the Rainmaker is through a standard duckbill bottom-line adapter. Unlike some of the more expensive electropneumatics out there, the Rainmaker can shoot both CO2 and nitrogen/HPA equally well. Naturally, as with all paintguns, nitro/HPA is still a more reliable and consistent gas source, but it is not a prerequisite. New for the 1999 Model 1451 is a high pressure hose to channel air from the bottom-line to the regulator at the back of the ’gun. This hose replaces the microline offered on previous models. The hose incorporates an in-line filter to prevent debris from entering the ’gun and fouling the seals.

The large cylinder jutting rather inelegantly from the back of the ’gun is a pressure regulator. As spring tension is not adjustable in the Rainmaker, this regulator is the means by which you adjust velocity. Clockwise adjustment of the screw increases the pressure into the ’gun, and thus increases the velocity. The regulated air that comes from this reg is fed forward to the exhaust valve, and down to the low pressure regulator. The low pressure reg is a small unit just below the main regulator. This passes a very low pressure gas feed for the MAC valve, very much in the same way the LPR does in the Angel and the Sledgehammer does for the Autococker. Unlike those two though, this low pressure reg is not adjustable. This makes it more idiot-proof for newer players, but doesn’t allow experienced airsmiths to adjust it for lower pressure and improved efficiency.

Some players will also be bothered by the main regulator used to adjust velocity. Since it is an integral part of the ’gun, you can not just unscrew it and replace it with your favorite aftermarket reg. You can replace the entire unit with an aftermarket part called the "Ice Box", which allows you to use any regulator you like, but those tend to just even more obtrusively from the back of the ’gun. Personally, I’d have much preferred it if Brass Eagle had found a way to mount this in a forgrip position, reducing the overall length of the ’gun and giving me a good forgrip.

I also have one major concern about the regulator’s design. The sleeve that holds the reg’s spring pack (basically the entire cylinder) is very easy to unscrew from the back of the main regulator block. If you chrono the ’gun in with the sleeve slightly unscrewed, the unscrupulous player can get a quick and easy jump in velocity by tightening it back down by hand on the field. Refs should be aware of this and ensure that Rainmakers have this sleeve tightened down snugly before chronoing onto the field.

The grip frame, which houses the trigger assembly and most of the electronics is the now standard .45 style. It is cast in two halves, much like Tippman grip frames of late. Some players will take issue with the cheap look and feel of the plastic trigger, though I did not find it to be bothersome on the field. The frame is wrapped in comfortable rubber wrap-around finger-groove grips. Underneath the wrap-around grips, on the left side of the circuit board you will find the mode switch, rate-of-fire pot, and the power-indicator light. The mode switch allows you to select standard semi-automatic, full-auto, or 3-shot burst. It is my understanding that Brass Eagle has decided to eliminate this option, and that full-auto and 3-shot burst will not be offered in new ’guns. The ROF dial allows you to set the maximum fire rate of the ’gun – most useful for those who find that they fire too fast and chop paint. The power indicator light is a red LED that flashes when the ’gun is fired.

I do not like how the grip frame mounts to the body. Both low pressure hoses and wires run in a funky space between the two. It is far to easy to pinch a hose or cut a wire when reinstalling the grip frame. When doing so, you’ll have to take particular care to ensure that everything is in it’s proper place before sliding the frame in place and fixing the screws.


The low pressure pneumatics are located at the front of the ’gun, much like the Autococker. Here, underneath the new (suspiciously Autococker-like) shroud, you will find the ram, MAC valve, and 9 volt battery (a welcome change from the original Rainmaker’s 4 double-As). What I don’t like about this is that only the ram has a solid connection to the ’gun. The MAC valve and battery are both zip-tied to the ram!

Moving to the top of the ’gun is the standard open-faced bolt. When the Rainmaker is gassed up and the bolt is cocked back, you can easily field-strip it without tools by sliding the bolt-access cover off and lifting the bolt out. Just forward of that is a standard center-feed, handily equipped with a hopper-retention screw in its side. For those who like to use a sight, Brass Eagle has equipped the Rainmaker with a pair of dovetail sight rails tilted off at 45° to either side of the center-feed. Below and to the left is a wire-nubbin style detent to prevent double feeds.




I don't know where you read this, but they were wrong.

[paint_suey]

The electronic brain prevents gas from being released through the bolt until the ball has been placed in the barrel and the bolt has traveled past the vertical feed port, thus eliminating blow back. The same circuit board directs the bolt to react when resistance is encountered preventing ball breakage
www.brasseagle.com

I saw above in your summary

[mattyfatty182]

http://rainmaker.flipty.com/images/ani_rain_cut_slow.gif

Once again, I state I own two, and they don't have an electronic eye. The way they operate makes it so that there is always a ball fed. Please don't argue with me.

[paint_suey]

alright dude but it says clearly in the summary that it has something like that. I didn't write the summary so why don't you argue with the people at brass eagle. Maybe they forgot yours or something.

[mattyfatty182]

Originally posted by paint_suey
alright dude but it says clearly in the summary that it has something like that. I didn't write the summary so why don't you argue with the people at brass eagle. Maybe they forgot yours or something.

OK, Ill go right ahead and take that up with BE :rolleyes: IT's just the way it is designed.

[DontByaTippmann]

The rainmaker is made by Brass Eagle just think about that

[specter542]

the JT proteus is also made by Brass eagle, think about that:idea:
(the proteus is probably one of the sweetest masks. my brother owns one and it is kickin)

[Jakehow]

most of u guy's hoppers are made by brass eagle...........:eek: and whoever owns a JT slam system and speed pods.... thats made my BE.......and while we're on the subject.. who makes Black Dragon???

[specter542]

exactly my point!! thanks jake!:D

[paint_suey]

wait up, JT made the pod system before brass eagle bought them didn't they? Sorry I'm in favor of Brass Eagle Rainmaker in this one but I just had to point that out.

[paint_suey]

Get the rainmaker cuz you don't want a blow back marker.

[Jakehow]

guess ill have to post this again... WHO MAKES BLACK DRAGON:pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed:

[paint_suey]

Paintball, Inc.

[Jakehow]

nice company........................................... ....................... VERY BLUNT COMPANY:mad:

[Bunker_King]

I say go for the dragon. It has a nice double trigger and a REALLY nice pull for a $200 electro. I'd take it over boo-yaah frames and stuff any day. And, if BE is smart they will let JT do it's thing and just stay in the background even though they bought them out:pissed:

[weefek]

Guys, JT equipment and stuff are NOT made my brass eagle, they're made by JT! Jt is just owned by Brass EAgle. Same kind of deal with Porsche/ and whoever owns them (ford, or something i dunno), they dont make it, porsche does.

[Bunker_King]

Yeah, that's what I said, BE just owns them and lets JT make the products and it should stay that way.

[FinnMcKool]

Yeah what fleeg said and it does say this:
The electronic brain prevents gas from being released through the bolt until the paintball has been placed in the barrel and the bold has traveled past the vertical feed port, this eliminating blow back. The same circuit board directs the bolt to react when resistance is encountered preventing paintball breakage.
But I've taken one apart/used one and find no evidence of this... I've chopped plenty of balls, you want that system get a TKO Impulse.

[paint_suey]

oh ok. I just read it so I beleived it cuz it was on the site. Brass Eagle is a bunch of silly heads!

[toadman7b22]

i think the rainmaker is more older so it is trusted more i havent gotten to use my black dragun yet cuz it didnt come yet but ill tell u how it is compared to a rainmaker

[segallow]

maybe my rainmaker is just retarded, but I am still trying to figure out how it is considered closed bolt. Ok, I gas up the rm, and fire, and I look down the feed tube, and the bolt is open. now with the shocker(I used to have one), and a cocker(I own one), after you fire the gun, and look down the feed tube, the bolt is closed. so please explain to me how it is closed bolt.

[Murph1]

Rainmaker is simulated closed bolt. It closes the bolt and waits a couple milliseconds for your hands to aim back at your target after being kicked down. It starts at an open-bolt position but fires closer to closed bolt then it does open.

[maddhatter_612]

A lot if not all upgrades for spyders work on the black dragun , right?

If this is true then wouldn't the black dragun be the better choice?

I am not trying to BE bash here or anything and i totaly resect their hopper and mask line but do they make any upgrades for thier markers?

[paint_suey]

:biglaugh: A barrel and I was looking at the RM owner's group and their are upgrades out there:blah:

[Murph1]

Rainmakers, sabers and samurais use cocker barrels, avengers, vl, and jt guns all use spyder barrels. Some people make custom bolts and crap for the stingray and Rainmakers. But for the most part, upgrades for BE guns are homemade.