CO2, Compressed Air, or Nitro?

[Holy Thunder]

I am going to get a Model 98 custom and most likely a J&J ceramic barrel...

Now the question is how should I propel the paintballs?

Is the C02 just more consistant than the nitro or is it way better?

Also, if you use compressed air whats the difference between Co2 etc.

Please anwer these and tell me whatever else you think I should know.

Thanks in advance.

[UTLadiesMan]

First off, Nitro is much more consistent and recharges faster than CO2 without shootdown. Not the other way around. CO2 is just much cheaper, and can be filled in more places. All in all, with a Tippmann I'd stick with the CO2 unless you are completely decking it out, or unless it gets really cold in the winter.

[Holy Thunder]

Well, right now it's 20 degrees Farenhieght (i live in Canada and we use the metric system so I cant spell faren...whatever)

But I wouldn't play outside in the winter but would most likely play in an indoor place. So I guess I would stick with C02. I was wondering about compressed air because my Dad has an air compressor, but I'm not sure if it will work to pressurize the tank... I think he said it could only go up to 200 psi anyway. However, he said he might get a new one for a cheap price...so...

If i could just get a little infor on compressed air.


Oh, and also, does nayone know if the Model 98 custom comes with that system that recycles the liquid C02... I don't know anything, I'm a newbie

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by Holy Thunder
Well, right now it's 20 degrees Farenhieght (i live in Canada and we use the metric system so I cant spell faren...whatever)

But I wouldn't play outside in the winter but would most likely play in an indoor place. So I guess I would stick with C02. I was wondering about compressed air because my Dad has an air compressor, but I'm not sure if it will work to pressurize the tank... I think he said it could only go up to 200 psi anyway. However, he said he might get a new one for a cheap price...so...

If i could just get a little infor on compressed air.


Oh, and also, does nayone know if the Model 98 custom comes with that system that recycles the liquid C02... I don't know anything, I'm a newbie
Recycles liquid co2? No such thing. Compressed air exists, but it is nearly impossible to find. It is also much more "dirty" than nitrogen, because it has all kinds of crap such as argon, oxygen, carbon dioxide, and other gases that you don't need. Those extra gases take up space, and could actually be bad for your gun. I'd stick with CO2 since you're a newbie.

[Shazaam]

Oh, and also, does nayone know if the Model 98 custom comes with that system that recycles the liquid C02... I don't know anything, I'm a newbie

Its called a CVX valve system and No it doesn't "recycle" CO2. All it does is prevent velocity drop due to bottle chilling...so it will give you consistant shots. It also has a filter which filters any impurities in the Carbon dioxide (CO2)

If you want to play in the cold w/o your bottle freezing and getting very low velocity. I reccomend a Anti-Siphon. Its a little tube that goes in your tank and only sucks in the gas, not the harmful (to your gun) liquid. I ordered an anti-siphon today actually. For 15 dollars(can), should be like 7 bux USA
Heres a pic
http://www.paintball-paradise.com/antisphn.gif
Click here (http://www.paintball-paradise.com/antisiphon.html) for more information on the Anti-siphon.

Oh yeah you can also get an expansion chamber...which allows the liquid C02 to turn to gas in a little chamber, before shooting the gun.

[snipinhick]

I hate to tell you this but,

when they fill a compressed air tank, they fill it with 02. NO other gasses, compressed 02 is VERY dangerous if mixed with other forms of gasses, theres no argon and all the other crap. BTW, nitro and compressed air are the same thing.

[Ebonclaw]

High pressure air, by the way, is literally high pressure air. It is compressed to 3000 psi and up, sometimes to 5000 psi. I don't think your dad's 200 psi compressor will work. You might get a single shot if you completely filled you tank with 200 psi AND your gun operated at 200 psi or below (most guns operate at 700 and above, unless you've got a really expensive one or a low pressure setup.) Since you're playing indoors, Co2 will be fine, although HPA is more consistent and accurate, not to mention cheaper to fill.

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by snipinhick
I hate to tell you this but,

when they fill a compressed air tank, they fill it with 02. NO other gasses, compressed 02 is VERY dangerous if mixed with other forms of gasses, theres no argon and all the other crap. BTW, nitro and compressed air are the same thing.

Compressed air is just that, air that has been compressed.

Air is made of:
nitrogen (N2), oxygen (O2), carbon dioxide (CO2), argon (Ar), water vapor (H2O), and small amounts of other gases.

You shouldn't use just O2, since that would be a major fire hazrd. I saw in a video online where a guy thoroughly cooked a steak in 5 seconds with 3 pounds of liquid oxygen. It was pretty neat, but I wouldn't carry it under my arm.




Anyway, you said "BTW, nitro and compressed air are the same thing." Well, they're not. Nitro is just nitrogen, compressed air, is Nitrogen plus some other stuff. Also, if you were completely correct in everything....

(P1) nitro and compressed air are the same thing - Stated
(P2) when they fill a compressed air tank, they fill it with 02 - Stated
(P3) nitro is N2 - Given
(P4) N2 != O2 - Given
1 nitro and O2 are the same thing. - (P1, P2)
2 N2 and O2 are the same thing. - (P1, P2, P3)
3 Contradiction (P1, P2, P3, P4)

[phatboy]

Tip of the Day: When spelling the Customary system of measuring the temperature in degrees, the word for it is Fahrenheight.

[ds613]

Compressed air is mostly nitrogen.
They're virtually the same.

[3Fingered Jack]

Haha, snipinhick just likes to contradict everyone, doesn't he?

[Holy Thunder]

Okay, thanks for the help. I am sticking with the C02 and forget all the nitro and compressed air, maybe I'll get it later....


Anyway, I just ordered my Tippmann 98 custom -finally-

I hope I dont have to wait a month to get it. We'll see how long the store takes to get it.

Anyway, how many shots will a 9 oz tank get me, because thats what the kit came with?

[HondaRacer2120]

300-400 shots generally

[Holy Thunder]

So, do I need a Anti-siphon if I will play inside when its cold? And is it worth the investment because it saves you that much Co2?

[snipinhick]

Oh, it isn't huh? ask your local paint dealer where he gets his air from, then tell me. I promise its pure 02, anything else is not safe to pressureize to 3000psi. Thats why the tanks your HPA are held in are bullet proof, and are almost 1inch think steel. Same reason steel nitro tanks are sooo heavy, there nut just sheet metal, but bullet proof. The compressers ussed to fill those tanks are emense, and complicated. They evaporate moisture and fill air tanks with PURE 02. I know, my dads a fireman, and they have a air compresser that is capible of 3000psi PURE 02 fills.

[Ebonclaw]

I'd say an anti-siphon is a worthwhile investment. It won't save a WHOLE lot of Co2, but more importantly it'll keep the liquid out of your gun whther it's cold or whther it's warm and you shoot a lot.

[Holy Thunder]

Antisyphon- do you buy one and just put it in yourself or does it have to be installed into the actual tank and you have to get someone else to do it for you? If it needs to get installed and is permanent what sized tank should I get?

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by snipinhick
Oh, it isn't huh? ask your local paint dealer where he gets his air from, then tell me. I promise its pure 02, anything else is not safe to pressureize to 3000psi. Thats why the tanks your HPA are held in are bullet proof, and are almost 1inch think steel. Same reason steel nitro tanks are sooo heavy, there nut just sheet metal, but bullet proof. The compressers ussed to fill those tanks are emense, and complicated. They evaporate moisture and fill air tanks with PURE 02. I know, my dads a fireman, and they have a air compresser that is capible of 3000psi PURE 02 fills.

I asked my local field that has an air compressor. They said it sucks in air and compresses it. It's not just a clever name, it really does compress air.

[jaronervin]

I dont know where you got that info, snipinhick, but any substance is "safe" to contain @ 3000 PSI, as long as the container is safe enough to hold it. ANY substance the container that holds is equally as dangerous on the grounds of compression. Also, air is not 02. If it WERE, for some insane reason, pure oxygen, it'd be called an oxygen tank. Compressed air is around 80% nitrogen, 18% oxygen, and 2% other mixed gases. I'm not positive about the 1-inch thick steel, so I won't flat-out contradict it, but a tank that big being 1-in. thick steel might be a lot heavier than they are. I guess anything made of an inch thick of steel would probably be bullet-proof, but, in case you didn't know, paintball guns are loaded with PAINT, not bullets. If someone wanted to blow something up, I don't think they'd fill their tank w/ oxygen just to shoot it.