Infamous, Lasoya

[The Homeland]

I am a pretty big Infamous fan since they where Miami Effect. I was wondering if Chris Lasoya is really leaving Infamous or retiring from paintball. If he is Infamous just wont be the same without him... or paintball IMO.

[OWNAGE]

http://www.68caliber.com/uploads/features/emoney/elasoya.mp3

[eforcegtid00d]

Yeah, paintball would be so changed... 1 cheater less in the official leagues...

[coolrazer]

LaSoya is not leaving Infamous.

Old stuff anyway...

[4THDEGREE]

I heard an interestomg tale that Miami Effect was sold to Doc's Raiders. Miami Effect players were not guaranteed any spots. Should be curious to see if this is actually true

[Mr Murderdoll89]

For reference, because I think it's hilarious: http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3101460&postcount=1


:laugh:

[Crede777]

Before this thread gets closed for a number of reasons, I would like to point out that Chris LaSoya does have a history of cheating. As does Infamous as a team. But that's not to say it's any special accomplishment in the world of Professional Paintball.

Also he seems to whine about everything and wants people to conform to him.

I'm not doubting his skill as a paintballer, he wouldn't be in the spot that he is if he were bad. But I'm just saying, his personality is the type that I find kinda annoying.

[IronCorps]

Well like i said, idc. So enough thread hijacking, lets get back OT. If you watched pb2x once in a while, you'd see chris on like every other episode.

[The Homeland]

Well like i said, idc. So enough thread hijacking, lets get back OT. If you watched pb2x once in a while, you'd see chris on like every other episode.

dont have it:D

[PeYToN-SS]

I heard an interestomg tale that Miami Effect was sold to Doc's Raiders. Miami Effect players were not guaranteed any spots. Should be curious to see if this is actually true

Its true. SP sold the franchise to Doc. All the effect players are gone from the franchise. They will now be known as the Miami Raiders, and their roster will consist of the top Doc's players as well as the better half of Strange.

[igota98custom]

Sorry, I forgot to pop in a dodgy or two. Murdoll, why do you always flame people?

eCookie goes out to IronCorps



Hehe, he's like never mean...He's a damn nice guy <3


As for Iron, no him>both of you and your crazy cult


To be on-topic, yeah it's kinda old...I always did like LaSoya though. And don't just call him a cheater, because everyone does it.

[4THDEGREE]

It is amazing how few on topic posts are in here once I clean out all the crap....hint, hint!

I also was told that none of the Miami Effect guys will be guaranteed any spots on the new team. Should be curious to see who winds up on Philly Americans or just wind up playing on Punishers team.

[Mr Murderdoll89]

It is amazing how few on topic posts are in here once I clean out all the crap....hint, hint!


:dodgy:




I know Lasoya cheats, but he's one heck of a baller.

[4THDEGREE]

:dodgy:




I know Lasoya cheats, but he's one heck of a baller.

Let us see if we can make a very short list. List all the pro, D-1,and D-2 players that have never wiped.

At least Lasoya is not as bad as Markus the Karkus.

[igota98custom]

Oh well, theres the one guy who um- wait nevermind...OH! That guy from- oh wait...:|


Yeah, Markus cheats pretty bad but oh well, nothing ever happens about it.

[A-5best]

The russians cheat pretty much the least out of any pro team i think.

meh i never like chris, nothing against his play but he annoys me, his personality, im sure hes a nice guy but he just annoys me dont ask me why.

[Mr Murderdoll89]

Let us see if we can make a very short list. List all the pro, D-1,and D-2 players that have never wiped.

At least Lasoya is not as bad as Markus the Karkus.


That's not possible. Everyone wipes at some point in time.

[spydadude]

Yeah, Markus cheats pretty bad but oh well, nothing ever happens about it.
Seriously. My favorite vid of Arsenal has them playing against Jax and Markus is in the snake picking everybody off and wiping like a Swiffer. Finally, one of the Jax players gets to the snake and yells, "Hey! Snake Boy!," bunkers him, and says, "Wipe that!" Best vid ever.

[Bigshot]

all pros cheat but lasoya makes it obvious.

[Mr Murderdoll89]

Seriously. My favorite vid of Arsenal has them playing against Jax and Markus is in the snake picking everybody off and wiping like a Swiffer. Finally, one of the Jax players gets to the snake and yells, "Hey! Snake Boy!," bunkers him, and says, "Wipe that!" Best vid ever.



Linkay?

[4THDEGREE]

For what it is worth, and it is not worth much I grant you, but I have never wiped. I wouldn't say that I have never played on, but at least no wiping. We shall see how long that lasts I guess.....

[Mr Murderdoll89]

For what it is worth, and it is not worth much I grant you, but I have never wiped. I wouldn't say that I have never played on, but at least no wiping. We shall see how long that lasts I guess.....



Shens man...that sounds almost impossible.



I know of two times I've wiped and it's paid off:
-one, I was in the snake and the guy caught my wrist and forearm and I shoved my hand across the ground
-I got hit in the neck and wiped it with my shoulder and tank when I came back out to snap.

[iplaynaked]

Before anyone says otherwise, the russians do whipe. They just do it less.

[A-5best]

Before anyone says otherwise, the russians do whipe. They just do it less.

Just in case if anyone iterpreted my post wrong.

The russians cheat pretty much the least out of any pro team i think.


I know they cheat, but just less than everyone else.

Iplaynaked dont know if you were specifically mentioning to my post or just in general, so i just wanted to clear up my thoughts for everyone.

I only wiped once, rec game last game of the day, shot in the back by my own team off the break, then again i dont play tourny ball(yet) so it doesnt mean much really.

[iplaynaked]

Actually I said that once I saw the topic of whiping, never saw your post :o

[4THDEGREE]

Shens man...that sounds almost impossible.

Nope, it's true. I made that commitment from day one, I was doing this to enjoy the game. Everyone I have ever gotten out has been completely legit. the first time I ever played with some serious ballers, it was when Action fanatics was still sponsoring a D2 team. They invited me to play with them at a neighboring field in Ohio. I watched some very skilled wiping that day. Being new to the sport, I of course asked about this. I remember being told, "Dude, I cannot have these newbs thinking they can get me out". From that day on I committed to play the game strictly by the rules. Just my own personal ethics. I don't have many of them, but that is one. I still practice finding whoever shot me out in each game and congratulating them on a good shot. I also let them know I will be gunning for them in the next game.:D

[igota98custom]

I've never wiped. I've played on before (didn't know it, just saw it after the game that I had a hopper hit). Er'bodies cheated at one time, wiping or playing on.

[4THDEGREE]

True. I never said I haven't played on and I certainly have broken the "no bonusballing" rule pretty regularly but I learned that from Jaster.;)

[Omegaboy13]

Its true. SP sold the franchise to Doc. All the effect players are gone from the franchise. They will now be known as the Miami Raiders, and their roster will consist of the top Doc's players as well as the better half of Strange.



Docs are a bunch of mean, arrogant, asses. I've played with a lot of them and I hate all but one of them.
Strange plays in Florida a lot, I think they are "Detroit" but based in Florida. I play with them some times too and they are nice guys.

I can't see that relationship lasting for very long.

[4THDEGREE]

Docs are a bunch of mean, arrogant, asses. I've played with a lot of them and I hate all but one of them.
Strange plays in Florida a lot, I think they are "Detroit" but based in Florida. I play with them some times too and they are nice guys.

I can't see that relationship lasting for very long.

Should be very interesting. I have to say i have heard very little positive about the Doc's Raiders guys. That is a shame. I will be very curious to see where Rich winds up. I kinda wonder if he will not just spend more time at Punishers and deal with the business.

[PeYToN-SS]

Docs are a bunch of mean, arrogant, asses. I've played with a lot of them and I hate all but one of them.
Strange plays in Florida a lot, I think they are "Detroit" but based in Florida. I play with them some times too and they are nice guys.

I can't see that relationship lasting for very long.

Doc's and Strange have had close ties for a while now. If you've been to any events you would have seen that Raiders gear has been being sold at the Strange tent. The few Strange and Docs guys that I know are good friends with each other, so I see this being a lasting relationship.

[Lopez17]

All professional paintballers have wiped at one point or another. Much in the same way all basketball players have committed a foul (intentional or otherwise) at some point. In both cases whether it was caught or not, it's wrong, but the refs treat them like minor infractions.

[Bigshot]

i just play on unless its an obviose hit. never whiped though.

[spartan72]

Yeah, I want to see that vid to. Thats sounds funny.:)

[spartan72]

lol never mind I forgot that theres a second page.

[hybrid-sniper]

Markus and Jules are pretty much the most notorious cheaters around today, best thing ever was when it was either markus or jules (can't remember which one) was at an event and wiped a hit and then waved to the crowd and went back to playing.
Hilarious.

[spartan72]

Markus and Jules are pretty much the most notorious cheaters around today, best thing ever was when it was either markus or jules (can't remember which one) was at an event and wiped a hit and then waved to the crowd and went back to playing.
Hilarious.

Are you serious.:eek: Thats retarded, the refs did'nt even do anything about it?

[Bigshot]

it was probably at a psp event

[spartan72]

it was probably at a psp event

Why, there not very stricked or what?

[Bigshot]

psp refs are, from what i've heard, people they pick randomly, some haven't played paintball before. but yes most psp refs are crap from what i've heard.

[OWNAGE]

Markus and Jules are pretty much the most notorious cheaters around today, best thing ever was when it was either markus or jules (can't remember which one) was at an event and wiped a hit and then waved to the crowd and went back to playing.
Hilarious.
Not only did he go back to playing, he shot out 3 guys.:tup:

I play on and slide if I'm not sure if I got hit.

[Omegaboy13]

Not only did he go back to playing, he shot out 3 guys.:tup:

I play on and slide if I'm not sure if I got hit.

Yeah I usually make my first bunker, and if I felt something hit me before making it there I'll check real quick and and play on accordingly.

[eforcegtid00d]

Wow this thread is turning into the cheater's convention. :D

I have never wiped, played on, or cheated in any way. I play completely by the rules. If I'm in doubt, I call the ref over to do a paintcheck. If I see someone cheating, I usually drill them in the neck from extremely close range. After the game, if they ask me why, I tell them that they were cheating and they could expect to get pinged in the neck again if I see it happen during a game with my team. Most of the time that's more than enough to stop the cheating. If not, they will continue to take neck hit after neck hit. :D

When I'm reffing, I will punish any cheater with a 3 for 1. No exceptions.

[CountyPaintball]

I saw Lasoya last night. Doesn't look like he's leaving paintball any time soon.

[STO Balla 22]

When I'm reffing, I will punish any cheater with a 3 for 1. No exceptions.
Congrats, you're a terrible ref! :tdown:

I cheat. I usually won't do it too much when we're just playing Streetball, but if I think I can get away with it in a tournament, you bet I will. The only time I'll do it in Streetball is if I get hit off the break. Usually I make a pretty big run off the break, and I really don't feel like getting shot out.

[spartan72]

Congrats, you're a terrible ref! :tdown:

I cheat. I usually won't do it too much when we're just playing Streetball, but if I think I can get away with it in a tournament, you bet I will. The only time I'll do it in Streetball is if I get hit off the break. Usually I make a pretty big run off the break, and I really don't feel like getting shot out.

Do you have any trouble finding people to play with now that you announced world wide that you cheat all the time.:confused:

[slaminator3323]

Someone wiped for me once, we were a long ways off from the ref so we could go back in, my hopper got shot while my head was turned, when I came back around the kid had wiped my hopper off. So I just stayed in.

[STO Balla 22]

Do you have any trouble finding people to play with now that you announced world wide that you cheat all the time.
I don't cheat all the time. And no, I don't have trouble finding people to play with. Go to any NPPL/PSP Event (I have), and watch some pro games. Then tell me that at least one player on almost every team does not wipe/play on, or try to wipe/play on. Not to mention illegal guns. I saw Ton Tons, Infamous, and Naughty Dogs all shoot guns that were obviously illegal. Many good players cheat, so why would I have trouble finding good players to play with?

[eforcegtid00d]

Congrats, you're a terrible ref! :tdown:

Congrats, you are a cheating loser who's going to die alone. How precious, a cheater who thinks that good refs let cheaters play on unpunished.:laugh:

[STO Balla 22]

Congrats, you are a cheating loser who's going to die alone. How precious, a cheater who thinks that good refs let cheaters play on unpunished.
Follow the NPPL Rules, tool. 3 for 1's are only used in rare, extreme cases.

So just because I wipe occasionally, I'm a loser who's going to die alone? Maybe you should take a look at yourself first.

[p8ntfreak98]

He shoots a damn Piranha, who cares what he says lol.

"Announced world wide" lol yeah. Because so many people post on PBR -_-;

Anyway this thread can die now.

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GANGSTA CRAB KNEEGROW WHAT WHAT?!

[Lopez17]

Follow the NPPL Rules, tool. 3 for 1's are only used in rare, extreme cases.

So just because I wipe occasionally, I'm a loser who's going to die alone? Maybe you should take a look at yourself first.

But if I knew I was playing on a field with a ref who was serious about enforcing a 3 for 1, I would certainly be more conscious about wiping. I don't think that makes him a bad ref at all.

Personally, if we're going to start televising games, I would be in favor of suspensions for players who wipe. Do it once you're out for 5 games...do it twice you sit out the tournament and your team plays short in both cases like a red card in soccer. I'm just not a big fan of it and I think the problem is the way that it's officiated.

[eforcegtid00d]

Lopez17 is right. When I'm reffing a tourney, the participants all know how strict I am against cheating. Half of the time the teams composed of cheaters either come up with some half-*** excuse not to play (they don't want to lose) or get owned by the people who win by following the rules. I have given out four 3 for 1's in one tournament. The cheating teams haven't cheated again under my watch. If it takes a severe penalty in a crucial game to get a bunch of kids to stop cheating, that's what they will get.

EDIT: STO Balla 72, you could learn to tuck your body in a lot faster than all the time you spend thinking about how you will pull off a wipe without the ref noticing. Just because you "don't feel like getting shot out" isn't an excuse. In fact, there are no excuses to cheat. Cheating is like putting up a big flashing sign above your head that says "I'm more *** than Elton John."

[Team Chokepoint]

You really shouldn't call a 3 for 1 in rec games. That just hurts innocent teammates who might not even know the cheater.

I agree that there should be much harsher penalties (/enforcement) regarding cheating in the leagues, but you shouldn't be a vigilante at local tournies. Just follow NPPL rules or whatever the event organizer specifies.

[STO Balla 22]

EDIT: STO Balla 22, you could learn to tuck your body in a lot faster than all the time you spend thinking about how you will pull off a wipe without the ref noticing. Just because you "don't feel like getting shot out" isn't an excuse. In fact, there are no excuses to cheat. Cheating is like putting up a big flashing sign above your head that says "I'm more *** than Elton John."
Learn to read. I DO NOT wipe every time I get hit, or even think about wiping every time I get hit. In fact, I've never wiped at a tournament, and I rarely wipe in other situations. The only time I think I might wipe in a tournament is if I got shot making a move and knew I could just dive it off. Otherwise, I don't think about cheating.

You're seem to think that like I'm a scrub who doesn't know how to play, so I spend all my time thinking about how I can cheat instead. Think again. What good would that do me? I'd never shoot anyone out, so I'd just wipe and do nothing until my team wins, and be nothing but a useless body on the field, or until my teammates get shot out and I get blasted.

You really shouldn't call a 3 for 1 in rec games. That just hurts innocent teammates who might not even know the cheater.

I agree that there should be much harsher penalties (/enforcement) regarding cheating in the leagues, but you shouldn't be a vigilante at local tournies. Just follow NPPL rules or whatever the event organizer specifies.
That's all I'm asking. Pull people who cheat, pull 1 for 1's, but don't pull a 3 for 1 every time you see a player cheat. NPPL rules state that 1 for 1's should be pulled if a player cheats, and 2 for 1's should be pulled if a player cheats and it directly impacts the course of a game. The only time I saw a player get a 2 for 1 called on them in Huntington Beach is when they did a run-through and kept going after they had obviously been shot. 3 for 1's are usually reserved for excessive cheating and continuing to shoot well after you've been shot out.

[Mr Murderdoll89]

STO, why do you even care? He's some pirahna blowback shooting fanboy who enjoys starting fights on the internet.

[spydadude]

STO, why do you even care? He's some pirahna blowback shooting fanboy who enjoys starting fights on the internet.
Yeah really.

And for Murder and Spartan, I can't find the vid. It was in the HK&AGG thread, and I can't find it.

[Woods Sniper]

I'll cheat in a tournament, and I have. Not in recball, though. And as far as cheating in a tournament goes, I only cheat against the teams who are known cheaters. I think that that's fair enough.

[Crede777]

Cheating is like putting up a big flashing sign above your head that says "I'm more *** than Elton John."
So is trying to correct someone who's a better player.

And while I do not cheat, nor condone it, paintball is very different and unique when it comes to the topic. As was mentioned above, it's closely akin to fouling in basketball. I know alot of teams that use fouling strategically, especially if they think you can't make free-throws.

If you don't wipe in excess, it's really not a horrible thing unless it makes a major impact on the game.

And Woods, I'm the opposite. I won't wipe in a tournament, but I might during practice. While I didn't last season, I would be more likely to wipe in practice if we are doing specialized stuff. Say I'm trying to play the snake, but I get hit off the break. It'd be understandable for me to wipe and then focus on getting better in the snake as long as you're not practicing making it there.

[f2f4]

Lol, I love the people who hate on STO in here. They have obviously never played any large events before.

As for me... during any kind of rec or Xball practice, naw, I don't do anything to cheat. If I'm hit or even think I'm hit, I usually will call it since it's practice and not a big deal anyways. But in an event, most bets are off. I do what would be most benificial in any given situation, so there would be no defenite answer for that.

[coolrazer]

I have never wiped, played on, or cheated in any way. I play completely by the rules.

Your team loses quite a bit, doesn't it?

If I see someone cheating, I usually drill them in the neck from extremely close range. After the game, if they ask me why, I tell them that they were cheating and they could expect to get pinged in the neck again if I see it happen during a game with my team. Most of the time that's more than enough to stop the cheating. If not, they will continue to take neck hit after neck hit.

If you did this to me over and over, expect to get shot until you get behind the deadbox. If someone holds you in football, you don't come back the next play and hit him in the helmet, or something to that effect. Why should it be any different in paintball. PEOPLE CHEAT IN ORGANIZED SPORTS ALL THE TIME! Sometimes they get caught, sometimes they don't. If you don't want people cheating, A) Hire better refs or B) Tip the refs off. Of course, they might think you were tipping them off so you could cheat, and they might watch you more closely than actually watching the cheating person.

When I'm reffing, I will punish any cheater with a 3 for 1. No exceptions.

You also get shot a lot reffing, don't you?

As for me, yes, I've cheated before in rec, but I have yet to cheat in a tournament. If I were in a crucial game that my team needed to win, and got shot out making a move, would I cheat? Yes. If I got shot off the break, would I cheat? No. As in every other game, the team that wants to win more will win. They'll do whatever it takes.

In tournaments today, the team that cheats the best usually wins the event. This is why I do cheat in rec, and during practice. If I ever want to think about cheating during a tournament, I better be able to pull it off during practice before I even THINK about getting caught in a tournament.

[Mr Murderdoll89]

Wow this thread is turning into the cheater's convention. :D

I have never wiped, played on, or cheated in any way. I play completely by the rules. If I'm in doubt, I call the ref over to do a paintcheck. If I see someone cheating, I usually drill them in the neck from extremely close range. After the game, if they ask me why, I tell them that they were cheating and they could expect to get pinged in the neck again if I see it happen during a game with my team. Most of the time that's more than enough to stop the cheating. If not, they will continue to take neck hit after neck hit. :D

When I'm reffing, I will punish any cheater with a 3 for 1. No exceptions.



I take it a lot of people don't like you.


Like Razer said,cheating will always exist.

[PeYToN-SS]

I cheat in tournaments if I know I won't get caught. I try not to cheat in recball or practice though.

[iplaynaked]

He shoots a damn Piranha, who cares what he says lol.

"Announced world wide" lol yeah. Because so many people post on PBR -_-;

Anyway this thread can die now.

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GANGSTA CRAB KNEEGROW WHAT WHAT?!
super *** crab dream.

[IronCorps]

This is why i went into scenario ball. If cheating is publicly acceptable to you people, then what has our sport been degraded to? I just dont understand why you would sacrifice all your honor for the sake of playing another 5 seconds only to be shot again by the same guy, or win the game and live an empty victory. I <3 being a ref.:judge: :cop:

[slaminator3323]

If you think cheating is not existent in scenario, then you are sadly mistaken, its everywhere in paintball.

[igota98custom]

This is why i went into scenario ball. If cheating is publicly acceptable to you people, then what has our sport been degraded to? I just dont understand why you would sacrifice all your honor for the sake of playing another 5 seconds only to be shot again by the same guy, or win the game and live an empty victory. I <3 being a ref.:judge: :cop:



*if you worked for me...*


You're fired /donaldvoice


But your mistaken, cheating is everywhere in paintball. You just can't tell because your gilly-suit wearing buddies wipe it off with one of their leaves.

[coolrazer]

This is why i went into scenario ball. If cheating is publicly acceptable to you people, then what has our sport been degraded to? I just dont understand why you would sacrifice all your honor for the sake of playing another 5 seconds only to be shot again by the same guy, or win the game and live an empty victory. I <3 being a ref.:judge: :cop:

Ok, you're watching a football game, your favorite team is playing their rival, but are down by 4 points. 5 seconds left in the game, your QB throws a hail mary to the number 1 WR. Touchdown! But wait, there's a flag on the play, turns out that WR pushed off the defender right before he caught the game winning TD, offensive pass interference. What do you do? Throw the pillow at the TV, scream "That's a HORRIBLE CALL!!! HE DIDN'T PUSH OFF! THAT REF WAS PAYED OFF!!" Have we all done this? Yes. Is that making cheating acceptable to you, as long as your favorite team gets that winning touchdown? Yes. Are you being hypocritical? Yes.

[p8ntfreak98]

This is why i went into scenario ball. If cheating is publicly acceptable to you people, then what has our sport been degraded to? I just dont understand why you would sacrifice all your honor for the sake of playing another 5 seconds only to be shot again by the same guy, or win the game and live an empty victory. I <3 being a ref.:judge: :cop:

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[f2f4]

I <3 being a ref.:judge: :cop:
You also suck at hacking.
I'm still waiting...

[slaminator3323]

You also suck at hacking.
I'm still waiting...
I seriously missed something here. So is it official yet that Ironcorps<paintballer8807?

[OWNAGE]

<3 Jules (http://media.putfile.com/jules_cheatingmaster)

[coolrazer]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. The refs should have seen that.

Props to him for pulling it off, :tdown: to the refs for not seeing that, pulling him, and penalizing him.

[A-5best]

You act like wiping completely degrades our sport and makes people say OMG i hate paintball they cheat. Fact is every single sport has cheaters, and they are damn near everyone. What football game has been played where both teams had no penalties? Probably very few if any. But in football it is accepted that people cheat, and thus they have penalties for it. Yet if someone wipes you think it is worthy of damnation to hell. Fact is wiping is like pass interference, everyone does it, sometimes they get caught sometimes they dont and most of the time it affects the outcome of the game. Im not condoning cheating, im just saying that in almost all organized sports there is cheating and it is seen as normal, but you expect paintball to be a sport on-top of a hill for all other sports because you want it to have no cheating, fat chance.

[f2f4]

I seriously missed something here. So is it official yet that Ironcorps<paintballer8807?
No, he's just threatened me through both PM and Aim several times.
All talk, and no action.

[eforcegtid00d]

We're not denying that cheating exists. We're saying it's wrong and cheaters are garbage. Garbage gets taken out. Just like the cheating pricks who think they will get away with 'accidentally' shooting the ref that gave them a 3 for 1 last game. A game without cheating is a game without selfish *******s.

[slaminator3323]

We're not denying that cheating exists. We're saying it's wrong and cheaters are garbage. Garbage gets taken out. Just like the cheating pricks who think they will get away with 'accidentally' shooting the ref that gave them a 3 for 1 last game. A game without cheating is a game without selfish *******s.
Without this so called garbage4, I doubt there would be any players left. The leagues would also get taken out.

[coolrazer]

But hey, at least the cheaters would be gone!

:rolleyes:

[IronCorps]

You also suck at hacking.
I'm still waiting...
I havent even tried to hack you eff. You arent worth my time.

Under my rule, at my field, there are no cheating. Anyone i catch i ask 1st sit out 2 games. If i catch em again, i ask them to leave. Cheaters=agg.

[slaminator3323]

I havent even tried to hack you eff. You arent worth my time.
Then why are you head of the super secret underground stalk eff club?

[f2f4]

I havent even tried to hack you eff. You arent worth my time.
Right. So I suppose all that stuff was just talk then.

[Crede777]

We're not denying that cheating exists. We're saying it's wrong and cheaters are garbage. Garbage gets taken out. Just like the cheating pricks who think they will get away with 'accidentally' shooting the ref that gave them a 3 for 1 last game. A game without cheating is a game without selfish *******s.
Winning games > *

[coolrazer]

A game without cheating is a game without selfish *******s.

A game without cheating is a game without players. Or it's a game of noobs with spyders playing each other.

You choose.

[IronCorps]

You talk like youre all cool, but eforce uses a fish.

If you guys can't win without cheating, where has your game gone? Is it so hard to win legit?:rolleyes:

[spydadude]

A game without cheating is a game without players. Or it's a game of noobs with spyders playing each other.
It's not just Spyder owners that do not cheat. I own a Spyder, and I've played on a crapload of times. I've never wiped, but I end up playing on a lot. I mean, I've seen tourney players that don't cheat.

Seriously, if you don't like the fact that cheating is part of the sport, get out of paintball. It's here to stay, whether you like it or not. We've all cheated before. At Monopoly, at chess, or even when playing outside with friends. We've all done it before, but somehow doing it paintball means that it's uber bad and the kids on the field you're reffing deserve a close range neck shot and a 3-for-1 in a rec game? You need to re-evaluate your stance.

[coolrazer]

I'm not even going to try anymore, it's like I said in another thread on cheating...

Most of the people in here trying to sound like they know whats what probably haven't played anything over rec, and probably ever won't, so I'm not going to waste my time arguing with ignorant people stuck on the fact that people that can't play have to cheat to win.

EDIT: Spyda, that's why I said noobs, they could be using tippmanns, Ions, or eforcegtis for all I care. :dodgy:

[Team Chokepoint]

but somehow doing it paintball means that it's uber bad

Probably because paintball is a war simulation* at its roots, and in war you can't wipe a hit or play on. This seems worse than a foul in basketball, for example, because a foul is just taking competitive aggression a step further.

Also probably because some paintball players take up the righteous cause of trying to create respect for the sport, and they think that eliminating cheating will help accomplish that, which makes sense on the surface but like everyone else said, cheating thrives in all sports.


*no flames please. I know its not a war simulation and I hate the paramilitary image it creates in some people's minds, but the fact is that most players started out pretending to soldier of some sort.

[A-5best]

You talk like youre all cool, but eforce uses a fish.

If you guys can't win without cheating, where has your game gone? Is it so hard to win legit?:rolleyes:

See here is exactly where your stance is flawed, have you ever played in a tournament? No, then shut your mouth, because then you have no idea what its lie. Have i played in a tournament yet, no but i understand how it works. You ask where there game has gone, where has Dynasty's game gone? Where has XSVs game gone? they all cheat but they are playing better than ever before, so your argument is useless, your saying that Ollie lang isnt as good anymore because he wipes, his game has definentely degraded for sure :rolleyes:. If youve never played anything but rec, then you cant understand why people in a tourny would wipe.

[Crede777]

If you guys can't win without cheating, where has your game gone?
Obviously up or else one wouldn't cheat.

The difference between pros and normal players is that pros (in addition to obviously being better) are more efficient at wiping.
"OMG Russian Legion doesn't cheat!" Newsflash: Yes they do, but they do it more discretely, and are rarely caught.

[trophyman582]

You talk like youre all cool, but eforce uses a fish.


That makes him special? He's a blowback zombie, just like yourself. This renders his, and your arguement absolutely and completely null.

[Crede777]

People that have played in tournaments, please raise your hand. All others, please sit down.

[STO Balla 22]

I've played tournaments.

Anyway, it seems that in every one of these threads, people who have never played a tournament make statements like this:
If you guys can't win without cheating, where has your game gone? Is it so hard to win legit?
Think about it. Let's say a team is made up of a bunch of cheaters that never get caught, but they are bad players. Let's make it a NPPL game. Each player gets hit over and over, but they almost never get pulled. One of two things will happen:
1) Time will run out and the wiping team will get very few points.
2) Players on the wiping team will begin to get pulled, and as more get pulled the easier it is for refs to watch the others. More get shot and pulled, and the other team wins.

You can't win by cheating alone. Can cheating by one team cause a slightly better team to win? Sure. But it's very, very hard to cheat in tournaments, and often times the risk is greater than the reward.

[IronCorps]

I played 2 rounds of the southern 7 at black river paintball with a throw-together team in 2003 and 2004. For every 3 players, a ref. Not alot of cheating going on from what i saw:dodgy:

[The Homeland]

i guess this thread is pretty much dead but i am in colorado this week and while i was paintballing at SXP i met Chris Lasoya. coolest guy i ever met, even got is autograph:D sweet.

[Crede777]

I'm not really a huge fan of Lasoya, so here's my question:
if Oakland Empire and Infamous are combining, what's happening to him?

[iplaynaked]

They're only combining for PSP/NXL. I have no clue what will happen to him though.

[spydadude]

Shut your mouth. Eforce could own you with his fish 3 ways to sabbath.:pbr:
90% player, 10% marker.
Eforce> you.
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Anyway, Lasoya is a cheater, not that that is a bad thing. I don't think eforce cheats, though. He shoots people in the neck for doing so. He shouldn't do that, though, because he could seriously injure someone.

[Crede777]

eforcegtid00d shut up dude Chris Lasoya Aint no cheater u probably are!
FISH
Actually guys, PBfanatic is right, even though I doubt that he intends to be.

Lasoya is a cheater. So by saying he "aint no" or "isn't not a cheater," that's the same thing as saying "Lasoya is a cheater."

Double negatives ftl bigtime, grammar can be our friend if you let it :)

[Team Chokepoint]

I'm sorry, I can't take anyone who claims they're a 2nd Lieutenant on a paintball team seriously. You do know that a 2nd Lieutenant is the lowest officer rank you can get, right?

milsim-owned

[Tweeters]

lets put it this way, Lasoya doesnt need to cheat to shoot any of us in the face. I doubt the majority of you talking smack have any real major tournament experience, and probably think tournyball is just wiping every hit blah blah blah. S'people like you who breed younger excessive cheaters.

[iplaynaked]

Whether Lasoya whipes or not, he's better than you or I will probably ever be.

[xtremesnipr223]

lets put it this way, Lasoya doesnt need to cheat to shoot any of us in the face. I doubt the majority of you talking smack have any real major tournament experience, and probably think tournyball is just wiping every hit blah blah blah. S'people like you who breed younger excessive cheaters.
Lasoya and most of infamous cheat, whether they need to or not ;) And they're pretty good at it.

Oh, and welcome to pbr;prepare for the flames.

[Team Chokepoint]

Do I smell something burning in the oven?

No, that's just the first 06'er.

[Crede777]

lets put it this way, Lasoya doesnt need to cheat to shoot any of us in the face. I doubt the majority of you talking smack have any real major tournament experience, and probably think tournyball is just wiping every hit blah blah blah. S'people like you who breed younger excessive cheaters.
1. It's a KNOWN fact that Infamous and Lasoya cheat. So don't try to refute that point.
2. If you'd have read this thread in its entirety, then you would have seen that I already said "those with any real tourney experience, raise your hands."
3. I doubt you've had any real major tourney experience.

[IronCorps]

Do I smell something burning in the oven?

No, that's just the first 06'er.
He's one of pbr's first 58 06ers.

bursera1 was the 1st 06er.

I'm sorry, I can't take anyone who claims they're a 2nd Lieutenant on a paintball team seriously. You do know that a 2nd Lieutenant is the lowest officer rank you can get, right?

Officer ranks=not easy to get on my team.

Me and eforce> you and all your little friends.

[coolrazer]

I do think you just made me cry. I hope you're happy!
:rolleyes:

I hope I see you at a CFOA even this year, since you're in NC.

[4THDEGREE]

I do think you just made me cry. I hope you're happy!
:rolleyes:

I hope I see you at a CFOA even this year, since you're in NC.

That being so you can both greet each other with a handshake and respect as fellow PBR members, Right? :D

[coolrazer]

Yes, of course! What else would we do?

[spydadude]

I hope I see you at a CFOA even this year, since you're in NC.Remember? He left all of us Speedballers because we give a bad name to the sport :rolleyes:

What's CFOA like? I actually wanna see a game.

[coolrazer]

It's the largest 5-man series in the world, and the third largest tournament series in the world.

[trophyman582]

Plus, almost all of the fields are in beautiful South Carolina. Do you need more reason to come and see it?

[Tweeters]

1. It's a KNOWN fact that Infamous and Lasoya cheat. So don't try to refute that point.
2. If you'd have read this thread in its entirety, then you would have seen that I already said "those with any real tourney experience, raise your hands."
3. I doubt you've had any real major tourney experience.
Not refuting, I'm saying he doesnt need to wipe to win anyways.

I only silly threads because they're normally all the same.

And you dont know me, so dont try and guage my experience.

[Crede777]

I doubt the majority of you talking smack have any real major tournament experience,


And you dont know me, so dont try and guage my experience.
Bah to hypocrisy.

If I was wrong, please tell me. We could use a few more serious tourney players on here.

[Tweeters]

Bah to hypocrasy.

If I was wrong, please tell me. We could use a few more serious tourney players on here.

Not hipocracy, you see everyone else in this thread has posted more than once, and have exercised their knowledge of tourneyball. I on the other hand, have only posted twice so far (this is now the third post).

Just a lesson for the future, dont gauge someone from one post and one post only. Especially when that post includes good grammer.

[coolrazer]

Especially when that post includes good grammer.

Hypocrisy!

[Tweeters]

I spell phonetically

[Crede777]

Just a lesson for the future, dont gauge someone from one post and one post only. Especially when that post includes good grammer.
It's better than gauging you by your join date.

And you were lecturing people on how they should have tournament experience before passing a judgement on cheating in a tourney.

[Tweeters]

Ha, but seriously you have to be him, you or washcloth, or both because you wanted to come into 06 too.

Well at least one "06er" has their haead on straight ;).

??



And you were lecturing people on how they should have tournament experience before passing a judgement on cheating in a tourney.
1 line is hardly a lecture.

[A-5best]

Anyway why does everyone feel that cheating will be the downfall of out sport?

Well at least one "06er" has their haead on straight ;) .

[Crede777]

Regardless of off topic details, I was right in my assumption, had I been wrong, there would have been reason to argue.

Oh and to be on topic, what was this thread about? I vaguely remember something about Lasoya, and Infamous. Which implies that the word cheating was mentioned...

[OWNAGE]

Oh and to be on topic, what was this thread about? I vaguely remember something about Lasoya, and Infamous. Which implies that the word cheating was mentioned...
The rumor that Lasoya was going to leave Infamous and quit paintballing.

[Tweeters]

Regardless of off topic details, I was right in my assumption, had I been wrong, there would have been reason to argue.

Oh and to be on topic, what was this thread about? I vaguely remember something about Lasoya, and Infamous. Which implies that the word cheating was mentioned...

Your right that I have no major tournament experience? Wrong much?

[4THDEGREE]

Let it go... Let us be reasonable about the whole issue here. Cheating happens in every sport. Or perhaps a better definition would be not getting caught. It is the ref's job to call, you out. if they miss it, is it any different than an uncalled foul in basketball or holding in football? when there is money on the line, everyone is out to win. It relies on the the reffing to keep it as honest as possible. Chris Lasoya, Markus Nielson, Ollie Lang, Federov and the like are going to do everything in their power to win. Are any of us goofy enough to think that Michael Jordan did not bend the rules in his career? Any one ever actually see Shaq actually dribble the ball more than once? Anyone believe that T.O is not the master of the push off for getting separation from a defender? Let us not be quite so idealistic.

I have had enough of the flaming and let us be nice to our new members and give them a chance.