i need a speed ballgun in my budget

[noobie_4_life]

I only played paintball for a little over a year. I have a Rodeo and it is time I get a better gun because Rodeos are not good enough for my noobish skilz.:)


:mad: I have a budget of $300.00 MAX so dont post stuff that is going to cost a lot (including the price of upgrades):mad:

I was looking in to buying the new ELECTRA because I have a Twister barrel with spyder thread.

I also am looking at the lower end autocockers but they are not electric.

I also also am lookin at the B2K and the other lower end Indian Creeks.

An ion is also a possibility but I dont know much about them because ppl are always saying the opposite an a Electra can use my barrel.

I have CO2 and would like to upgrade to HPA. But the budget may not allow me to get that!!!!!!!!:pissed:

A gun that shoots too fast is not very good for me because I dont want to fly through paint $$$$$


PLZ help me pick a electric gun and HPA (if possible) that must under $300. I dont know much about upgrades or stuff like that. I would like to keep my barrel.:confused: :confused: :confused:

[noobie_4_life]

PLZ help the under $300 gun choice spin stop here

[noobie_4_life]

What I Have now:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

black Rodeo
16" twister barrel
12oz CO2
red condum filled with white manaiyse:eek:
broken clear Vertical elbow
black AK Ehopper

[Someshta]

You need to set aside 60-70 to uprade to HPA. That'll get you a 47/3000 to a 72/3000 tank on websites like action village and first call paintball. That leaves you 230 for a gun. You already have a agitated hopper so I'd go for the Ion. You might not be able to use your twister barrel on it but it will have eyes and be a full EP.

I wouldn't consider an electra. It's overpriced for it's perfomance. The rocking trigger frame isn't all that great at all.

So yeah, get an ion off of rcxpaintball, I think that's where you can get an Ion NIB for 230. And get a HPA tank off of the before mentioned websites. You won't regret it.

[noobie_4_life]

what about a wrath or omen 2.0

i am not very good with tech stuff and i herd that the omen 2.0 was hard to adjust

[Someshta]

The omen is a blowback and the wrath is a spring return. Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that a gun that is fully EP (Ion) isn't as good as them. The only thing the omen has going for it is that Evil has solid customer service. The wrath, meh. It went up against the ion months ago and the ion beat it into the ground for a reason.

There is one more option though, browse B/S/T forums and ebay listings for older model timmies and other high ends. You can sometimes find them in your price range. Really I'd tell you to browse them even if you're heavily leaning towards something else.

[Tommyboy15]

Take a look at the new PMI 05 Evo Special Edition at http://rjskateworks.com it's $190. It's got the Evil Detonator reg on it stock which is an awesome reg. it's got the new e-force frame, and ACE already installed. So your good to go all around with this marker.

[slaminator3323]

Electra:tdown:Omen:tdown:Wrath:tup:Ion:tup: I recommend the Ion. Also Evo, same as Electra and omen.

[viks]

I vote autococker trilogy, why cause mine is freakin amazing, in the sack :dawdgy:

[noobie_4_life]

evo or ion???

[Dunty]

Ion over EVO, the Ion is electropneumatic, the EVO is a blowback.

[Tommyboy15]

I can hit just as many newbs with a sear-tripping, blow-back Evo, as with a electropneumatic Ion. So i might as well save a $100 doin it. ...and drop a few rich kids jaws.

[slaminator3323]

That doesn't change the fact Ion is the better gun.

[babustos]

Nobody has mentioned Indian Creek Designs. My friend got his new BKO for $180. Thats pretty good priced, now put $63 for a 72/3000 Pure Energy on actionvillage. That leaves $53 for a hopper, you can sell your old AK for maybe $30 leaving you with $83 to buy an Egg, Apache, possible Halo, or something else. Buy a gravity fed hopper for your old Rodeo because you won't be using it as much and its still functional.

[slaminator3323]

ICD, with the exception of the newer guns have some problems.

[noobie_4_life]

ion, wgp prostock or, ion pro, or icd, or bushmaster:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:


THNX FOR HELP SO FAR


:D I did not think gettin a new gun would be so hard

[slaminator3323]

ICD makes bushmasters.;) Anyways out of those, Ion.

[IronCorps]

In the world of paintball, you get what you pay for. Save for a promaster. I'd reccomend the wrath over the ion since i like to fool around on full auto and rebound in my backyard with a tboard, but that's just me.

[knappsxx]

I only played paintball for a little over a year. I have a Rodeo and it is time I get a better gun because Rodeos are not good enough for my noobish skilz.:)


:mad: I have a budget of $300.00 MAX so dont post stuff that is going to cost a lot (including the price of upgrades):mad:

I was looking in to buying the new ELECTRA because I have a Twister barrel with spyder thread.

I also am looking at the lower end autocockers but they are not electric.

I also also am lookin at the B2K and the other lower end Indian Creeks.

An ion is also a possibility but I dont know much about them because ppl are always saying the opposite an a Electra can use my barrel.

I have CO2 and would like to upgrade to HPA. But the budget may not allow me to get that!!!!!!!!:pissed:

A gun that shoots too fast is not very good for me because I dont want to fly through paint $$$$$


PLZ help me pick a electric gun and HPA (if possible) that must under $300. I dont know much about upgrades or stuff like that. I would like to keep my barrel.:confused: :confused: :confused:

the electra is probebly a good choice

[Someshta]

the electra is probebly a good choice

Except for the fact that it isn't.

And the fact that he isn't considering one anymore. Which you would know if you read posts after the first one.

ion, wgp prostock or, ion pro, or icd, or bushmaster

Reading = Good

[babustos]

Why yes reading is good. And there have been some horrible stories about ions and ICD guns. Ions supposedly break easily, have cheap material, stuff like that, and some ICD guns have a lot of leaks. I'd say try them out and see how you like it.

[shiro]

i recommend an odyssey torid x if you can find one. it goes 20 bps, has eyes, clamping feedneck, multiple fire modes, and a nice lcd screen. you can set the rate of fire to what ever you want so you do not waste paint. you can use your twister barrel since the torid x is spyder threaded. you can use co2 on it but i recommend using hpa (its like an electro spyder). you can get a torid x for $180 from what i heard but the cheapest i could find was $244 at the site below unless you want to buy one used. or you can wait a few months for rex paintball to release their version since odyssey no longer makes them(thats why they can be hard to find).


http://www.hotshotpaintball.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=OGI-TORID-X-GRN-BLK

[JaredBorne]

He doesn't want to sling paint guys

I have an Airgun Designs Pro Classic Automag for sale.. New..

LMK.. I could give you a good price

[babustos]

http://cgi.ebay.com/04-Torid-X-paintball-marker-68-3000-tank-hopper_W0QQitemZ7205007120QQcategoryZ16048QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Comes with everything you need, except a good hopper.

[shiro]

He doesn't want to sling paint guys
thats why a torid x is good. he can set the rate of fire to however much paint he wishs to throw. 4-20 bps is what the software allows. it also has tournament lock

[JaredBorne]

thats why a torid x is good. he can set the rate of fire to however much paint he wishs to throw. 4-20 bps is what the software allows. it also has tournament lock

But the Torid X isn't good lol. It is just like his Spyder.. Its going from cheapo to cheapo

[Spaz 419]

Hey bro I recomend you try to shoot both I own a wrath my teammate/roommate has an ion its a close race. the wrath has a few features stock like the feed neck quick strip bolt etc etc . The wrath might be more comman threads to pick up a barrel.

[Sheps]

If you want to go low-end then the Vexor Eye is the best deal; for high-ends the ION is the best, low-price deal. Take your pick.

[trophyman582]

Ion will own any new marker thats less than $300. Pick it up from RCX paintball for $230, and get an HPA tank from him. He'll most likely give you a discount for buying both.

[hamsterman12]

ion, wgp prostock or, ion pro, or icd, or bushmaster:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:


THNX FOR HELP SO FAR


:D I did not think gettin a new gun would be so hard
get the prostock

[IronCorps]

If a cocker is what he's lookin into, then i agree. Prostocks are the best place to start. Avoid the trillogy series all together. However, if he's goin into speedball, a mech gun probobly wouldnt be his best choice. Ion's are a great value and worth him looking into.

[hamsterman12]

True If You Want A Cocker For Speed Ball Get Karni Or Superstock Also Borgs Are Nice Atleast The 06 Is

[babustos]

Yes I do agree that Karni's, Superstocks, and Cyborgs are all nice, but remember price is under $300 for everything including gun, hopper, air.

[banderson]

I will still have to stick with the Pro/Super Stock. Someone said to avoid the Trilogy series all together, I really dont think that that is right. Just don't get the Trilogy Sport and you will be just fine.

[trailer_trash]

But the Torid X isn't good lol. It is just like his Spyder.. Its going from cheapo to cheapo

but the torid operates at about half the pressure of a rodeo and has an eye
and clamping feed and is electro
and the one on ebay came with a GOOD nitro tank not a heavy steel one

[slaminator3323]

but the torid operates at about half the pressure of a rodeo and has an eye
and clamping feed and is electro
and the one on ebay came with a GOOD nitro tank not a heavy steel one
Its still like a spyder.

[hamsterman12]

found a used karni on ebay for 500

[slaminator3323]

I only played paintball for a little over a year. I have a Rodeo and it is time I get a better gun because Rodeos are not good enough for my noobish skilz.:)


[CENTER][COLOR=red]:mad: I have a budget of[SIZE="5"] $300.00 MAX so dont post stuff that is going to cost a lot]
I'm pretty sure $500 is just a tad bit over that for a used karni.

[trailer_trash]

Its still like a spyder.
exactly so he will know how to take it apart etc.

[slaminator3323]

Meh, I still say Ion with a PMI 72/3k from RCX.

[chasemister2]

The only speed ball gun that there really is for low cost would be a trilogy cocker or an ion but if u cant get those then get a spider but they r horrible(break down to much)

[trailer_trash]

The only speed ball gun that there really is for low cost would be a trilogy cocker or an ion but if u cant get those then get a spider but they r horrible(break down to much)

I doubt a trilogy is a speedball gun

Like most people said
Ion or a nice blow-back with at least a bouncebeam eye (vexor eye,torid x)

[slaminator3323]

Vexor has breakbeam. Yeh, I consider every gun a speedball gun, with the exception of milsim, scenario, or tippmanns(way too long).

[trailer_trash]

I know the vex has breaks thats why I said at least a bounce beam
(reffering to the torid)
and yes any marker can be for speedball even mil-sim IMO cause the tippmann team uses some A5's etc. with stocks on them:eek:

but it is nice to be able to put 13 BPS on a bunker to keep an opponent down or shoot a lane.

ya know?

[slaminator3323]

I know the vex has breaks thats why I said at least a bounce beam
(reffering to the torid)
and yes any marker can be for speedball even mil-sim IMO cause the tippmann team uses some A5's etc. with stocks on them:eek:

but it is nice to be able to put 13 BPS on a bunker to keep an opponent down or shoot a lane.

ya know?
Yeh, that is nice, which is why I still suggest an Ion from RCX and tank, he might hook you up with a deal coming around $300 if only a little more.

[noobie_4_life]

i went to rcx and they have ions for $280 i emailed them to see if i can get a lower price but they never emailed me.





prostock or upped ion for same price???:eyes: :eyes:




:D THANX FOR ALL THE HELP:D

[slaminator3323]

i went to rcx and they have ions for $280 i emailed them to see if i can get a lower price but they never emailed me.





prostock or upped ion for same price???:eyes: :eyes:




:D THANX FOR ALL THE HELP:D
PM him. Also some people on pbnation sell them for $220 shipped. Also if it comes down to those two Ion.

[Sheps]

Private Message him here, he has an account.

[chasemister2]

Hey man go wit an indian creek with pds and yes upgrade to hpa a higher tank at least 68-4500 and dude get a nw barrel...like freak....pipe kit.....and ive heard the ultralight works on it!!!!!!!!!!!:)

[Dunty]

Tippmann effect's Tippmanns ar enot what you would think of as Tippmanns..They're basically high end markers, with very, very, little stock parts to none.

Hey man go wit an indian creek with pds and yes upgrade to hpa a higher tank at least 68-4500 and dude get a nw barrel...like freak....pipe kit.....and ive heard the ultralight works on it!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey "man"...He's not going to spend that much money, That'll be much more than an Ion and say a 47/3000 or even a 68/3000...Sorry, but not all of us can ask our parents for lots of money, an Ion comes stock with a progressive, he doesn't need an expensive kit right now, maybe later on,though...

[chasemister2]

hey 2 thigs dun be an ******* and say i ask my parent for moneys its called work and tippmann effect has ****ing tippmann a-5 ok so do research and dont trash me

[slaminator3323]

hey 2 thigs dun be an ******* and say i ask my parent for moneys its called work and tippmann effect has ****ing tippmann a-5 ok so do research and dont trash me
Yeh tippmann effect has A-5s, he even acknolged that, now that have so much crap, crammed into them they are a highend inside of a tippmann shell, but they aren't that good even, one reason being it is very hard to play tight with a gun that long.

[noobie_4_life]

i emailed the guy and he said 240 + shipping

[Wesleypb]

I would get the wgp trilogy for around 100$ on ebay. then an evo II loader for70$ and a good compressed air tank for around 120.

[noobie_4_life]

i think i will go for an ion and wait for a good package deal and sell what i dont need

they have some that come with evo 2 and z boards in a pack

[IronCorps]

Ion's dont come stock with progressives, thats Impulses you're thinking of.

[t-wellz1]

hmm piranha gti 05 version or spyder poliot acs 05 version, the piranha is 17bps and the spyder is 20bps and plus ups and yea about 300$

[babustos]

Ions come stock with Progressives in the bundle with the Ion, Max flow reg, and 47/3000 at actionvillage.

[Dunty]

Ion's dont come stock with progressives, thats Impulses you're thinking of.

Smart Parts made too many progressives for their Imps, and, when they were discontinued, they used the extras on Ions. Well, they might have stopped.

chasemister2-Yes, they use A-5s, I mentioned that before, but like Slaminator said, they're upped majorly, and, like i said earlier, resemble nothing of a stock or even semi-upped Tippmann...Please read..To get an Ion w/ nice barrel kit and good tank would be way out of his price range... The title is "i need a speed ballgun in my budget" not "I have no price range, let's buy candy".


:dodgy:

[noobie_4_life]

i want an ion but after ups (not including hopper or hp tank) it is going to cost me around 500 dollars!

is it better to just get a gun in the 400 dollar range, such as impulse and icd guns? or an upped ion?

[Dunty]

Well, personally, I would get the Ion, second get the promaster, and thirdly the Impulse..Whatever you wanna..

[splatmania]

ion or promaster ... enough said

[TrailBlazer13]

Check out :cool:Rex Paintball:cool:, there not selling yet, but they will be early next year. No prices yet, but they say they will be pretty cheap.
Gun List:

Type-R(its like the wrath)

RX(Odyysey 02 with Delrin ACS bolt,dbounce,cheaper,etc.)

R1(Odyysey Torid with ACS bolt,cheaper,etc.)

R2(Odyysey Torid X with Delrin ACS bolt,cheaper,etc.)

R3(Odyysey 03x with Delrin ACS bolt,dbounce,cheaper,etc.)

M1(mech)

M2(mech)

Check out there website for more info: http://www.rexpaintball.com/com.php

[trophyman582]

Negative on anything by Odysey. A stock Ion will perform fine, no need to worry about ups at the moment.

[splatmania]

i thought rex's were blowbacks ?

[noobert]

I have a pirahan EVO and they work great, and if they don't work to well, then you just call up their customer service. They'll send you almost anything without any questions asked, and if they don't send anything they'll be on the phone with u until its fixed. Trust me i know

It's also nice becuase it takes spyder threads, so you can keep your barrel. It's limited to 15 bps so you won't be going through a lot of paint, like you would with an ion.

But on the other hand 3 of my 4 other team members have ions. There really good right out of the box, and with that package with teh barrel and tank included it should be fine. The only thing your going to need is at least an Eggy II to keep up with the insane rate of fire, and a QEV (i think their around 15 dollars?) would be the best cheapest upgrade. From then on you really don't need to upgrade it but you can


So if you stay with the ion thats a good choice, but from personal experience i like my EVO better (switched with the ion users for a few rounds)

[Dunty]

I have a pirahan EVO and they work great, and if they don't work to well, then you just call up their customer service. They'll send you almost anything without any questions asked, and if they don't send anything they'll be on the phone with u until its fixed. Trust me i know
Yeah, I've heard thry're(PMI) great like that, but really, stuff like that isn't new, even in the paintball industry.
It's also nice becuase it takes spyder threads, so you can keep your barrel. It's limited to 15 bps so you won't be going through a lot of paint, like you would with an ion.
The Ion is capped at 17bps.. And what do you think pros do? Just look at something and walk their marker until the thing is covered in paint? No, they use it when they need to...And also, that's a difference of 2 bps..And I think I am like most of the general public when I'd rather two more bps than less..
But on the other hand 3 of my 4 other team members have ions. There really good right out of the box, and with that package with teh barrel and tank included it should be fine. The only thing your going to need is at least an Eggy II to keep up with the insane rate of fire, and a QEV (i think their around 15 dollars?) would be the best cheapest upgrade. From then on you really don't need to upgrade it but you can
You said your EVO goes 15, right? It would need an egg for that..And also, the Ion is better NIB..

So if you stay with the ion thats a good choice, but from personal experience i like my EVO better (switched with the ion users for a few rounds)

[noobert]

Sorry did i forget to mention that the EVO trigger is near impossible to keep a constant ROF up with its stock trigger. That being said, you most likely won't be shooting long strings of 15 bps often. Now the ION is very capable of being walked, and very easily in my own opinion. and true its only 2 bps at the highest, but too acheive those two maximum bps, its a different story for both of em

but hey no need to argue this was just my opinion, if he takes it he takes it, if he doesn't then enjoy ur other new gun :D it's not like im making money out of this

[splatmania]

love your qoute noobert

[TrailBlazer13]

Negative on anything by Odysey. A stock Ion will perform fine, no need to worry about ups at the moment.

Rex is not odyssey, they bought odyssey's guns and made them cheaper and better.

[trophyman582]

An Ion will still perform better. EP > Blowback. We've been over this many many times.

[IronCorps]

Not a properly upped blowback. We've been over this.

[TrailBlazer13]

I have a budget of $300.00 MAX so dont post stuff that is going to cost a lot (including the price of upgrades)
I have CO2 and would like to upgrade to HPA. But the budget may not allow me to get that!!!!!!!!
If he gets an ion ($260-$280) he will not be able to get HPA, but if he gets a rex gun he will probably be able to. Plus he will be able to use his twister barrel (unless he gets one of the more expensive ones which have autococker threads, rex/odyssey have good stock barrels though(I have one))

Other guns to look into:
Odyssey RPM ($180 don't let the price fool you)

Syndicate Misfit ($200 very reliable)

Vexor Eye ($150 good gun)

Wrath ($260 probably won't be able to get hpa, the ion is technically better, some say the wrath is better though (more reliable, better quality))

Ion ($260-$280 technically the best gun, but you won't be able to get hpa, and co2 realy messes the gun up (will work but will mess the gun up), ions will need to be upgraded with a new:reg($60 stock has bad dropoff),barrel($35 stock is not very accurate), some people complain about the durability/quality of the ion)

Thats all the guns I have time for right now, if you want some more suggestions, tell me.

[splatmania]

if you want hpa then get the vexor eye and new barrel and reg.

[trophyman582]

Find the Ion and tank used. Easily under $300, with adequate ups.

Iron, I realize that. But how much is your project gun costing?

[IronCorps]

As of now, with a basic reg, $290. If you can get items on sale, that cost goes down.

[trophyman582]

Ah, I see. Really, our opinions don't matter. Go to your local proshop, and try out all the markers you've looked at in your price range. We can suggest, but only you can decide.

[IronCorps]

We can suggest, but only you can decide.
QFT :D

[noobie_4_life]

my pro shop sux i dont even think they let u try the guns, only feel them and look at them, when i was there they only let me mess with the guns with no battery or air

i might get an ion for $240 and get a cross fire hpa tank i might have to spend more but that is okay

[noobie_4_life]

thanks for all the help:D


ion or rex:eyes:



so far probably the ion

it sux not to be able to test the guns

how many shots can a stock ion get on a 40/45k crossfire hpa or should i get the bigger ones

[splatmania]

i think a 65 = a 20oz co2 tank im not sure though

[TrailBlazer13]

how many shots can a stock ion get on a 40/45k crossfire hpa or should i get the bigger ones
I don't know about the ion specifically, but a 4500 tank gets about 15 shots per cu, and a 3000 tank gets about 10. It varies from gun to gun though. So a 40/45 would get about 600 shots.

[pballdale]

smart parts ion or diablo wrath

[Hiryuushige]

The Ion definitely. It is an overall great marker. It is highly customizable and reliable. The Wrath is a mediocre or better gun from my experience, but some people like them a lot, I'd say it's luck of the draw with that one. The electra is a low end blowback so it wouldn't be much of an upgrade besides ROF (that rocking trigger r0xX0rz, *ahem* excuse my l337ness). I don't have much experience with the ICD guns, so I can't help you there. But overall, I love my Ion, and I'm sure it won't dissappoint.

[protopaint]

Pilot w/ upps with 48ci/3000 psi for $220-245