Omen Vs. Ion

[andrew32596]

in your opinion which is better the evil omen or the sp ion???

[paintmaster3725]

are u even serious f the omen it is a peice of junk !! get an ion it is way better and it is less expensive. ion all the way!

[k-odyevilpballa]

what r u smoking omen 2 owns the ion , driver 2 best reg asa on/off and 25 bps.

[fangson559]

The Omen Has Alot Over The Ion Barrel,on Off Etc But The Omen Is Still A Peice Of Junk Take My Word On This My Friend Had One For About A Week Then He Sent It Back Dont Get An Omen But I Didnt Say Get The Ion Eathier Get The Pro-master Not The Ion Hope This Helped

[Sheps]

The Omen Has Alot Over The Ion Barrel,on Off Etc But The Omen Is Still A Peice Of Junk Take My Word On This My Friend Had One For About A Week Then He Sent It Back Dont Get An Omen But I Didnt Say Get The Ion Eathier Get The Pro-master Not The Ion Hope This Helped
No it didn't help, no one can understand it.

The Omen isn't really a great marker, I'd reccomend pretty much any high-end over it, regardless of make/manufacturer. Mostly this is due to my aversion to blowbacks and my dislike for offset feed, which I feel is really ugly and unbalanced.

[OC Assasin]

why do people with Ions always act like its the best high-end gun money can buy? Its like the only people who get the Ion are people who have them given to them (like this punk *** kid i know), they dont care if it messes up because they didnt spend hard earned money on it. I just ordered an Omen 2.0 after considering an Ion, not because the Ion is plastic, not because its capped at 17 bps, but because The Omen 2.0 was a better deciscion because of pre-installed upgrades, a really nice Driver Barrel, and 25 bps... nuff said


and Fangson... Evil Warranty is lifetime, on anything but o-rings, body, and maybe one or two other things... that means, if you're using a high pressure tank, reg goes out, kills your gun... send it back and get a new one or get the old one fixed with a 3 day turn around. All you pay is the shipping to Evil.

[spaceman2141]

dont make these threads.

it is all preference. some people swear by their ion and some by their omen. both are fast. omen has better quality parts. ion more upgradeable. ion is lighter. evil has better customer service. try them out and decide for yourself instead of deciding on someone elses opinion.

[Sheps]

Buying a marker based on upgrades is like buying a car because it's got all sorts of performance parts; sure, the parts are great, but shouldn't you be more concerned with the engine that drives the beast?

And yes, this thread should be closed.

[runner31490]

yes, the ion is more upgradeable than the omen....because it needs the upgrades the omen comes with everything you need so you wont need to upgrade as much. nuf said

[papaintballer15]

yes, the ion is more upgradeable than the omen....because it needs the upgrades the omen comes with everything you need so you wont need to upgrade as much. nuf said

:tup:

exactly. Omen doesnt really need anything, except really a clamping feed. And t-board buahahaha. And for a gun u dont have to worry about bc evils got your back, its well worth it. Better then any SP junk out there. Where they warranty barely anything. And personally i wouldnt want to wait 2+ weeks for a gun to get back bc something broke on it and most likely have to pay. As where with evil theyd take it no questions asked. Replace whats bad for free and send it back on 2day turnaround.

[p8ball4ever]

:tup:

exactly. Omen doesnt really need anything, except really a clamping feed. And t-board buahahaha. And for a gun u dont have to worry about bc evils got your back, its well worth it. Better then any SP junk out there. Where they warranty barely anything. And personally i wouldnt want to wait 2+ weeks for a gun to get back bc something broke on it and most likely have to pay. As where with evil theyd take it no questions asked. Replace whats bad for free and send it back on 2day turnaround.


True, I love my omen. The stock board is not bad my. I let one of my relatives try it out and he was ripping this thing and he has never even heard of paintball and has never held one. He was shooting almost as fast as me. Oh and I like evil but I hate their jerseys. I bought one and sold it because I thought it was ichy and uncomfortable so I'm getting the c6 dye jersey.

[papaintballer15]

i dont like dye anymore, but i do like my dye c4 jersey. Hate the pants though since their so damn heavy with all the padding. I love my 04 proto pants, i wear them atleast 2 times a week, and had them since they came out ,and only have 1 rip on the left cargo pocket in one of the corners. Which i probably should sew back together..

[IONator]

stop flamming both the ion and omen! i own an ion and it has its ups and downs...my friend has an omen...its pretty good its faster than the ion but more expensive. the ion is cheaper and more reliable...its what you prefer....

[runner31490]

ion is cheaper than the omen, but it needs ups to be as good as the omen

[pbrascal37]

good point evil is a great company I have loved everthing evil i have ever owned

which is why i just bought a pimp over a shocker though people say the shocker is better (generally) and the shocker has more ups I know evil has always got me covered and that if anything goes wrong evil will replace it FAST I have never had a problem with anything evil (I have owned their gloves for 3 years, A evil driver barrel, a headwrap, pants and elbow pads and they have never let me down once

but seriously i would test both first if you can, I have never tried a omen 2.0 but I have shot many ions and disliked every one I have shot so i could imagine a omen would be better

on a side note: now that i think about it, too bad evil doesn't make their own mask (x-rays suck)

[papaintballer15]

PMI/RPS/Evil/Extreme Rage/PCS all the same company. Extreme rage makes Echo 20/20's. Real nice i think, lense are similar to JT's, little easier to install though, 2 visors, flex bottom and a flex visor. Just the foam at the nose has to be cut off bc it digs in.

[pbrascal37]

I don't like them I wish evil themselves made a mask that is better than the crappy extreme rage masks

kinda like how nps owns diablo and empire and a couple other sub companies and now empire makes the e-vents masks

[triologycomp101]

lol this is a joke thread ion for sure has more UPS for it comes out of the box just as good or better

[pbrascal37]

This isn't a joke thread and until you came in everyone was posting very thorough responses with real reasons backsing whichever marker they thought was better

:tdown: way to ruin stuff :(

anyway yes their are way more ups for the ion because the ion needs them: the stock parts are cheap because it is Sp's way of manufacturing to make lots of money just like Brass eagle has done with the blade and other markers

other companies take the time to mill each and every marker and makes sure the markers are made right before selling
But sp has made the ion out of materials that are cheap and fast to produce that way they make the most money possible out of each marker (ie plastic body kits, cheap total crap barrels, and duckbills/asa's lousy triggers)

whereas evil has taken the time to design a marker that uses something that is unique and more reliable than cheap eyes (cam feed) which isn't affected by broken paint or board problems that other markers have. Evil put a driver on the Omen which from experience is a very good barrel. They use a good on/off and a great reg, and put a decent board cap and a good trigger on it which are all things that ions don't have because SP didn't care about what the customer wanted in a marker just what they could make the most money off of.

if you are going to say that blowbacks are crap and that the omen is a blowback.cocker hybrid go to www.acp-products.com and find the section on the marker apoc made that is consistant within +-1 fps runs at an amazing low pressure and is still a blowback, and come back and tell me that blowbacks still suck

I hope that made some of the people reading this think about the two marker

[iplaynaked]

blowbacks still suck.

[pbrascal37]

fine be ignorant

yes they aren't as good as a dm5 or a karnivore but they are no where in the price range and the price it takes to trick out a blowback it will still way outperform cockers that sell for more and still own any tippy anyday (except maybe those ones tippman effect uses because they are basically trix's in tippy bodies)

oh and it will beat an Ion: the omen is still a better marker

[papaintballer15]

TE uses regular tippys. Everything thats on them, are parts that can be put on any tippy.

youll see A5s with egrips, new triggers, regs, lp kits, barrel kits, new boards, on/offs. About it.. and if u want to disagree, ill just get someone i know that plays for them to tell ya. :)

[pbrascal37]

I heard that they they basically used trix internals in a5 bodies

I think f2f4 had said he teched one once

but i can definitly be wrong because I am just going by what I heard from someone else

[papaintballer15]

well... ill ask jay and see. although i can pretty much guarantee 99.4 % that their not :P. And i seen a video on TE where they were talking about they use everything on their guns that regular players could go out and buy. Just their lucky and dont have to put 1k+ into the guns :P.

But pretty sure its Egrips with WAS boards, aftermarket triggers, barrel kits, lp kits,reg,on/off, new bolt,new powertube,QEV kits.

With the 98c they used, they had ebolts, regs, double triggers,and J&J edge and dye barrels. Probably aftermarket internals too.

[OC Assasin]

I'm going to settle this once and for all

My friend and I i have gone one on one before with equivalent guns out of 20 games. The Result: 10-10

He now has a new Ion with CP trigger, and a strange bodykit, Halo, and same tank as me (68/45 fiber )

I have a STOCK Evil Omen 2.0, Empire REloader B, 68/45 fiber tank

we are going to SC some time soon and we are going to make a whole day out of this experiment. Speedball, one on one, all day, I'll get back to you with the results.

[Sheps]

I'm going to settle this once and for all

My friend and I i have gone one on one before with equivalent guns out of 20 games. The Result: 10-10

He now has a new Ion with CP trigger, and a strange bodykit, Halo, and same tank as me (68/45 fiber )

I have a STOCK Evil Omen 2.0, Empire REloader B, 68/45 fiber tank

we are going to SC some time soon and we are going to make a whole day out of this experiment. Speedball, one on one, all day, I'll get back to you with the results.
That will not prove anything, you and your friend could be vastly different in skill level and that would skew the test, and random chance dictates that to get a good measure of how good a marker is you have to have a larger sample, so unless your willing to play a thousand games for us, your test does not prove a thing regardless of the result.

One beef I have with the Omen is that it is basically a heavily modded Spyder, you could basically get the same marker by heavily modifying an Imagine (board, valve, barrel, vertical adaptor, ASA, regulator, hammer, bolt, trigger, grips, eyes).

The second is that it is needlessly complicated, there is no reason for it to be closed bolt, and because it is it forces the company to utilize a funky anti-chop system and an offset feed. What is gained in return? The marker is now fussy on which paint you use (closed bolt markers need good paint to bore match or the balls will roll out) and the fact that you can brag about your marker being closed bolt, thats it.

And to whoever said it, cam arms are not better than eyes, eyes require more care, but when was the last time you've seen someone rip with a gravity hopper on an Omen? I for one have seen it on an ION (check Ydna's site, he has a video of a Predator board ION with a VL 200, it doesn't chop, although it requires constant shaking).

Additionally, the ION is not cheaply made due to poor metal, the standard type of aluminum is used, and to this point I have not seen evidence that the Omen's materials are of greater quality. The trigger sucks, but that is the only real load-bearing piece that SP has cut corners (material-wise) in manufacturing.

As for my personal opinion, I like the ION better due to the fact that it has greater potential, as it requires less cycling mass and operates at a lower pressure.

[OC Assasin]

[QUOTE=Sheps]That will not prove anything, you and your friend could be vastly different in skill level and that would skew the test, and random chance dictates that to get a good measure of how good a marker is you have to have a larger sample, so unless your willing to play a thousand games for us, your test does not prove a thing regardless of the result.[QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OC Assasin] My friend and I i have gone one on one before with equivalent guns out of 20 games. The Result: 10-10[QUOTE]

hmmmm didnt pay attention now did you?

[OC Assasin]

sorry, i didnt pay attention. I appologize for my last comment. I didnt see that you said anything about a larger test

[superwaffle]

Additionally, the ION is not cheaply made due to poor metal, the standard type of aluminum is used, and to this point I have not seen evidence that the Omen's materials are of greater quality. The trigger sucks, but that is the only real load-bearing piece that SP has cut corners (material-wise) in manufacturing. [quote]

it says in the omen 2.0 manuel that a gravity feed is recomended......and i have tryed it with a gravity feed and it does not break paint unless you havent ajusted the recock

[OC Assasin]

tell me waffles, have you ever shot the omen? with it on? with air plugged in? I can get it to 20 on a good day no prob and this is my first electronic gun, im coming off of a Triad.
so either learn how to walk a trigger or shut up

[Mentalmonkey10]

tell me waffles, have you ever shot the omen? with it on? with air plugged in? I can get it to 20 on a good day no prob and this is my first electronic gun, im coming off of a Triad.
so either learn how to walk a trigger or shut up

Calm down man. I have shot an Omen 2.0 and I personally don't like the trigger, but that's just me. He could possabley be the same way. And, finally, I personally know superwaffle and watched him shoot his omen and he had truble walking the "wave" style trigger, but with his spyder I watched him hit 15 easy.

it says in the omen 2.0 manuel that a gravity feed is recomended......and i have tryed it with a gravity feed and it does not break paint unless you havent ajusted the recock

Before someone flames him for this, the omen manuel dosn't recomend force feed hoppers (halo B) I think that was what he was trying to say.:)

[papaintballer15]

i dont believe the manual was updated between the versions. The 1.5 cam arms are in the 2.0 and are made to use the force fed loaders, since the originals had problems with jamming.

[Mentalmonkey10]

Ok, didn't know that. Thanks for clarifying that.

[pbrascal37]

i dont believe the manual was updated between the versions. The 1.5 cam arms are in the 2.0 and are made to use the force fed loaders, since the originals had problems with jamming.


good to know I didn't realize they made the changes either

[team dn]

i personally have to choose the ion. i won one in a tournament and a friend just recently bought an omen and we switched guns for a few games (proto had problems) and the only true difference was the omen weighed more and i didnt like the wave trigger, but i know for a fact the ion is more air efficient and i like the fact that its impulse threaded, so i can use my old freak....but they are both hig quality guns for low prices..........yup

[kmc003]

THE EVIL OMEN DESTROYS THE ions. i have used them both and u have to upgrade the hell out of the ion for it to be good. the omen comes stock with some of the best stuff. u don't need a new barrrel regulator or trigger or board with the omen but u sure do with the ion.

life time warrenty also

only upgrades possibly are a drop and a clamp feed cant really think of anything else.

OMEN DOMINATES

[Mentalmonkey10]

THE EVIL OMEN DESTROYS THE ions. i have used them both and u have to upgrade the hell out of the ion for it to be good. the omen comes stock with some of the best stuff. u don't need a new barrrel regulator or trigger or board with the omen but u sure do with the ion.

life time warrenty also

only upgrades possibly are a drop and a clamp feed cant really think of anything else.

OMEN DOMINATES

There are better barrels than the Evil Driver just so you know.:P Also, have you noticed that the Ion has ramping, the Omen dosn't. A clamp feed would be nice to come with it, but oh well. The only parts that I would consider better than the Ion's would be the reg and barrel.

Ion
-no external moving parts
-more ups
-true EP
-ramp
-eyes

Omen
-Decent barell
-Great reg
-off set feed (some like it, but not me)

Other than those, they are prety much alike. It would be a close call, but I still would say Ion > Omen 2.0.:)

[pbHoowah]

OK, now that I wasted a large amount of time reading this whole thread filled with ignorant comments it's time for me to talk. First off Empire does not make goggles, Vents does and Empire has put their logo on the exact same goggles and raised the price about $20.
Another thing, external moving parts isn't a big deal at all. Now, diving and hitting your chin on that beavertail is a problem if you can't superman.
The Ion Ramps, that's the #1 reason I WILL NEVER buy it, if you can't keep up with the competition without cheating you don't deserve to play.
The new Ion bodies look great, but they're what 50 bucks at least for the metal ones used? There goes a case of paint.
The Ion needs a new reg. a torpedo is about $40, new barrel, there's another $40, both need a feedneck that's $20 off ebay. New boards are out for both I believe, we'll say $60 for those. I know the T-board is a lil less but I"m not sure how much a new Ion board is.
Both have more complicated maintanence than needs be, -pts. for both.
The omen being offset and cam-fed is good for those who like to be different, really bad for those who are afraid to.
The Ion is lighter, but add a tank and hopper with paint to both and you're not gonna notice a couple oz.s
The Ion has less kick due to its operation method but if you can't handle a little kick, you don't need to play.
Overall you're going to HAVE to decide on your own, go try both out, and try a Wrath while you're at it.

[Mentalmonkey10]

OK, now that I wasted a large amount of time reading this whole thread filled with ignorant comments it's time for me to talk. First off Empire does not make goggles, Vents does and Empire has put their logo on the exact same goggles and raised the price about $20.
Another thing, external moving parts isn't a big deal at all. Now, diving and hitting your chin on that beavertail is a problem if you can't superman.
The Ion Ramps, that's the #1 reason I WILL NEVER buy it, if you can't keep up with the competition without cheating you don't deserve to play.
The new Ion bodies look great, but they're what 50 bucks at least for the metal ones used? There goes a case of paint.
The Ion needs a new reg. a torpedo is about $40, new barrel, there's another $40, both need a feedneck that's $20 off ebay. New boards are out for both I believe, we'll say $60 for those. I know the T-board is a lil less but I"m not sure how much a new Ion board is.
Both have more complicated maintanence than needs be, -pts. for both.
The omen being offset and cam-fed is good for those who like to be different, really bad for those who are afraid to.
The Ion is lighter, but add a tank and hopper with paint to both and you're not gonna notice a couple oz.s
The Ion has less kick due to its operation method but if you can't handle a little kick, you don't need to play.
Overall you're going to HAVE to decide on your own, go try both out, and try a Wrath while you're at it.

You = :tup:

That's a dumb reason to not buy an Ion though. "It ramps", turn ramping off.:rolleyes:

[OC Assasin]

nicely said :tup: :tup:, almost exactly waht i was going to say, with the kick and all, i mean compared to real guns its nothing, and marines deal with it just fine, :P,

the one single thing i dont like bout the Omen is the sharp beavertail that i forgot about and got my thumb majorly punctured in the middle of a speedball game with an amatuer team with DM6s (oh it can keep it up) and it was bleeding so much i got kindda woozy by the end of the game.
Im thinking about figuring out a way to sand it round or cover it up so nothing that cant be fixed

[Mentalmonkey10]

nicely said :tup: :tup:, almost exactly waht i was going to say, with the kick and all, i mean compared to real guns its nothing, and marines deal with it just fine, :P,

the one single thing i dont like bout the Omen is the sharp beavertail that i forgot about and got my thumb majorly punctured in the middle of a speedball game with an amatuer team with DM6s (oh it can keep it up) and it was bleeding so much i got kindda woozy by the end of the game.
Im thinking about figuring out a way to sand it round or cover it up so nothing that cant be fixed

Duct tape FTW.:P

[OC Assasin]

but duck tape is so ugly!!!

im going to use electrical tape :P

[Mentalmonkey10]

but duck tape is so ugly!!!

im going to use electrical tape :P

Pfft..:dodgy:

This is really off topic, but is your avvy a dear in the trunk of a car?:confused:

[GranDream]

If theres one thing that irks me, it's saying that the Ion needs ups to be good. The reg is fine, last time mine got +/- 4, Not the best, but not bad. The stock barrel is fine. I have only broken 1 ball in it to this day. The feedneck ins't as bad as people make it out to be, I took out one o-ring and my unsanded halo's feedneck fits in perfectly. Granted a clamping one would be dandy, I don't consider the stock to be enough of a pain in the arse to replace. Don't even bother getting a metal body, no reason beyond aesthetics, would make a nice birthday or Christmas gift to ask for, though, but it is not at all necessary, I don't know why people bring it up while doing price comparisons. The ASA is purely preference. I don't mind it, maybe because I've had one on my Fish and I used that for three years and was perfectly comfortable. The stock trigger, though, is where I concede. I just couldn't adjust it to my liking, I slapped on a CP and was perfectly happy.
So in short, the Ion doesn't need a lot of ups to be good, and any that do are personal preference. Okay, just had to say that.

EDIT: Forgot about boards, but those are a fairly new upgrade for the Ion;)
But anyways, I just don't see the point. I'm never going to pull more than 17 in stock, and I never have and never will use it's ramping mode, so I don't see the need for a new board. If you can somehow pull more than 17 or you just need to ramp past 17, thenby all means buy a new board, but I don't think it's an effective use of money for 99.9% of the paintball community. Again, any Ion upgrades are user preference.

[pbHoowah]

the only problem with all you said is that if you're a person who likes to up markers to fit their preference as best as possible, which most do I think, I mean who wants to look at their gun from time to time and think, I wish that were different because it looks bad or doesn't always work as well as it could.

[GranDream]

Well, that's true. But to those people I'd suggest something like a Proto anyways:dodgy:
I'm just saying the stock parts aren't quite as bad as some make them out to be;)

[team dn]

Watch your language. Avoiding the swear filter is a good way to get yourself banned.

Lopez

[OC Assasin]

Pfft..:dodgy:

This is really off topic, but is your avvy a dear in the trunk of a car?:confused:

ya it is. I got it while on a special government tag last year that allowed me to hunt on the military base Fort hunter Liget. Even though only people who hunt would understand that.

[Mentalmonkey10]

Wow, that gets an A+++ for origionallity.:eek3:

[bballryand316]

by the way, i got an omen 2.0 for 260 including shipping, 240 without
ion is more

[f2f4]

I can sell Ions NIB for $220.
Even without a wholesale license, they can be found for around $250.

gg.

And yes, I have messed around with a Tippmann Effect marker some. Pretty interesting what they can rig up!
But no, they do not use Matrix internals. They are VERY similar to a 'Timmy, though.

As for my opinion... wait, giving it won't solve anything. So I'll just say the usual: "Shoot both and decide."

[wolf'sRevenge]

Just go on ebay and buy a evil pimp for 400 bucks and their ya go

[Ditto]

I O N > omen

[dirtyNinja]

Why are some of you trying to compare an ION to a Proto or even a Pimp? They're not in the same class, that's the whole point of the thread. You guys should go over to the Spyder owners' website and start talking smack about how the Karnivor is better than their Victor II. No ****!

Oh yeah, and aftermarket parts availability is a huge plus for the ION now that it's become so popular. Gongrats to SP for really tapping into the mid-range electro market. If you like customizing your marker at all, I say choose the ION over the Omen for that reason alone.

So sayeth The Ninja.

[Soul Taker]

Omen 2.0 > Ion

The Omen 2.0 is better than an Ion because it has better stock parts and it has Evil's customer service to back it up. The Omen 2.0 has a lifetime warranty unlike the Ion and if anything needs to be repaired on the Ion, you will most likely have to pay for the repairs unlike with the Evil Omen. Evil Paintball will repair their markers for free.

[OC Assasin]

I've very recently used my Omen 2.0 for the second time; i have made a solid conclusion. If you are the type of person that is okay with taking your gun apart, and you're confident in your ability to deal with mechanics; Omen will be fine.

If you want a gun that will work, and pretty well, Ion all the way. My team mate has an ion, and me an omen, hes a retard with mechanics and tore a wire off his bored. Hes good with his Ion, im good with my Omen, its a biatch to adjust the re-cock and i suggest you keep the adjustment wrench on you at all times.

In conclusion: When the Omen works, uber tops the ion. When you need a gun to work and there are no options, get the Ion.

[Mentalmonkey10]

a biatch to adjust the re-cock and i suggest you keep the adjustment wrench on you at all times.

2 things...

1- The second word that you typed there can be counted as evading the swear filter.;)

2- Adjusting the re-cock is not as hard as people make it seem. My friend who bought an omen had me addjust it (he is kinda a newb to things like that) and it took me under 10 minutes at the charno with his gun. Wala, it worked flawlessly. Also, no I had no experience what-so-ever with the omen, omen 2.0, pimp, or anything made by evil. It was my first time.

[spyder001]

If you want to take apart your gun and put it back together and work on it day and night go with omen if u want a gun that you never have problems with and is great go with ion.

[OC Assasin]

Mentalmonkey, i just used my Omen and had to adjust the re-cock three times therefore it is a **a*** to adjust.

Spyder, two words, biased spin

[Mentalmonkey10]

Mentalmonkey, i just used my Omen and had to adjust the re-cock three times therefore it is a **a*** to adjust.

I didn't mean any disrespect if you got any. I didn't have a problem doing it. It got slightly off by the end of the day, but it was solved very quickly and was keeping up without breaking paint.:|

[mugenXP]

ion vs omen is like honda vs integra.
or one good basketball team vs another good basketball team.

[harnett]

i have both guns. the omen had to be upgraded with the new board, cam, and asa, stock it is a good gun. it is heavier then the ion and has a lot of kick due to the blow back. my ion has alot of up on it but is still cost less then what i have in the omen. after i play with the omen i have to fix it because it will leak air out of the barrel. i have had o replace the cup seal about 5 time. the nice thank is that evil has alwas sent me a new seal. it is there in about two days. people have to try both guns a find on thats fits the person.

[therron258]

well i have a 98custom and im about tired of it, should i get an Omen 2.0??? i want something that isnt that complicated to use and i wont have many problems out of, something reliable...

[Mentalmonkey10]

It's all preference. Don't jack threads.

Ion=lighter, more upgradeable, less kick, more options when ordering, eyes, ramp.

Omen 2.0=different type of gun, offset feed, cam arms.

:|

[papaintballer15]

if buying a 2.0 and its around 300. Then i suggest just stepping it up with some extra money and getting the pimp. Cant really go wrong with a evil gun, since they have lifetime warranty. Need something, or a replacement part or tune up.. you got it.

[superwaffle]

i have both guns. the omen had to be upgraded with the new board, cam, and asa, stock it is a good gun. it is heavier then the ion and has a lot of kick due to the blow back. my ion has alot of up on it but is still cost less then what i have in the omen. after i play with the omen i have to fix it because it will leak air out of the barrel. i have had o replace the cup seal about 5 time. the nice thank is that evil has alwas sent me a new seal. it is there in about two days. people have to try both guns a find on thats fits the person.


you probebly have the original omen, because the omen 2.0 you dont have to buy anything for it, and all the problems the first one had are fixed on the 2.0 like the board, cup seal, and cam arms (wich work great) , but still it all come down to prefrance.

[pbrascal37]

This horse has been beat to death, stood up and beat again.

Please just let this thread die, read through it and you willl see all both markers and companies have to offer and you will see ONCE AGAIN, that it all comes down to preference

[Blue Shooter117]

If you want to take apart your gun and put it back together and work on it day and night go with omen if u want a gun that you never have problems with and is great go with ion.

That is so not true. I have seen ions break down due to various reasons, which you more than likely will have. Granted, just about every gun will have it's down time, but if you buy an Ion, don't expect to "never have problems."

[OmenZ]

these stupid threads NEVER accomplish anything, we all are capable of deciding for ourself which gun is better. so shut up and pick for yourself. there will never be a difinative answer to these threads, stop making them and buy a wrath =), just kidding, the omen-wrath-ion are all the same. (basically) just pick one, if i offend anyone, i'm sorry. just my opoinion

[jimbalaya]

jesus christ this is soooo pathetic. THIS IS AN EVIL OMEN POST. if you go to the ion post, everyone will tell you to get an ion. vice versa. want a real PROFESSIONAL'S opinion? go to a shop or email a site.


STOP BICKERING!!!!!!
its pointless!!!

[jimbalaya]

these stupid threads NEVER accomplish anything, we all are capable of deciding for ourself which gun is better. so shut up and pick for yourself. there will never be a difinative answer to these threads, stop making them and buy a wrath =), just kidding, the omen-wrath-ion are all the same. (basically) just pick one, if i offend anyone, i'm sorry. just my opoinion

thank you!!!! finally someone who understands!
this dude actually knows what he's talking about, unlike most of you other lard @$$ conformist b!tches who think you're cool for sticking it to your buddies because you think you're cool. go get some REAL OPINIONS, and stop trying to impress everyone with your stupidity.....

thanks for sticking up, OmenZ, i appreciate someone who can think for himself. feel free to comment anytime!

[PhillipA5]

I can't decide whether to get an Evil Omen, or the SP Ion.

I'm looking for a gun that is reliable, and has good customer service to back it up. I don't care that much about upgrading a gun, just a barrel. Also, a gun that isn't too complicated to operate/maintain.

WHICH GUN WOULD YOU SUGGEST FOR ME?

[IronCorps]

Omen, it's closed bolt and probobly fast enough for you.

[Nexxus]

Would you choose an Omen over a Wrath?

[IronCorps]

Me personnaly, i would take a wrath or ion over the omen. I made my suggestion to that phil assuming he wasent too up to date on how these markers worked since he asked which one he should get.

[papaintballer15]

well evil beats SP in warranty, and customer service (i email joe at PMI and he respondes same day unless its a sunday then its next day)

The omen will take more understanding possibly then a ion. And i feel the omen has better quality and best things offered stock. Except the omen will have more kick,and be heavier then the ion.

Wraths are nice guns with new barrel,delrin ram and bolt.

[OC Assasin]

well if you dont like tinkering with your gun, or missing a game or two a day cause your making you gun perfect, get an Ion. Youll have trouble with the Omen. I got my Omen becasue i love mechanics and its differnt with the cam arms and adjustable recock and stuff.

[cyberpyr8]

I have owned/own several Ions and Omens (I have 2 kids that play plus myself). I will tell you that if you want to upgrade and modify your marker get a Ion, period. Otherwise, look seriously at the Omen or if you can save a little more get a Pimp. The warranties are great on Evil products. The tech support is great too. They are one of the best kept secrets around. Everyone has heard of them, but no one really knows how well they shoot and perform.

As far as a straight comparison I came up with a chart that shows the differences between them. All of them are close (Wrath, Promaster, Ion and Omen) in terms of weight, performance ect...

I know it's cliche' but it really is personal preference. If you can get your hands on each one try them out to see what feels best.

Comparison Chart (http://www.teamfragmentation.com/Comparison.htm)

[papaintballer15]

heres a way i see it. If a gun needs ups its not really worth the money or waste of money after ups are put on. Sure i can see with like barrel and feedneck or something but thats about it.

Evil doesnt get much talk on the chopping block (thats good anyway) but when people take care of their guns and actually know what their doing and they go out and rip it up on the field. The gun and player then gets the rep points. I shoot so fast i was accused of ramping, when my gun has the Gen. 1 board, which is just semi. Then was commented on my speed.

I feel pimps are very cost effective markers, priced good, and dont really need anything but perform great when u know what your doing.

[cyberpyr8]

heres a way i see it. If a gun needs ups its not really worth the money or waste of money after ups are put on. Sure i can see with like barrel and feedneck or something but thats about it.

Evil doesnt get much talk on the chopping block (thats good anyway) but when people take care of their guns and actually know what their doing and they go out and rip it up on the field. The gun and player then gets the rep points. I shoot so fast i was accused of ramping, when my gun has the Gen. 1 board, which is just semi. Then was commented on my speed.

I feel pimps are very cost effective markers, priced good, and dont really need anything but perform great when u know what your doing.


I agree with you. I feel like if you have to put a bunch of money into a gun it wasn't that great to begin with. But a lot of guys like to upgrade just because...whatever. I am not one of them!

I had some guys make my son prove that my Pimp wasn't ramping one day because it was shooting so fast. I thought it was funny that it was coming from guys shooting DM's and Shockers.

[papaintballer15]

I outshoot 05 speeds, other angels, 05 ego, xsv and nexus, vision shockers all the time. WAS'd impys, and just about every high end out there. I love it, the stock trigger is perfect for me, and i have it adjusted as short and light as it can be.

Local team played the NYPS and they got called everygame for ramping and bounce, but the guns didnt when checked. Pimps just sing when u know how to shoot em.

[PhillipA5]

welp, you guys can flame me all you want, so go ahead. I am a proud new owner of an Evil Omen 2.0. I worked out a deal with a guy, and got the

Omen 2.0
Revolution hopper
Cp drop foward
New Designs low rise Feed neck
WGP 50, 3000 tank
All for $325 Shipped

[Crede777]

I outshoot 05 speeds, other angels, 05 ego, xsv and nexus, vision shockers all the time. WAS'd impys, and just about every high end out there. I love it, the stock trigger is perfect for me, and i have it adjusted as short and light as it can be.

Is it that you can outshoot every other player that you meet, or their guns? Because I doubt you're hitting in the low 30's...

Overall I'd say the Ion. Why? Because the Ion doesn't need ups, but they are nice to have. The fact that the Omen is a blowback, has an archaic backblock design, and no eyes makes it inferior to a marker that weighs less, costs the same, has more features, and can shoot just as fast.

[PhillipA5]

Is it that you can outshoot every other player that you meet, or their guns? Because I doubt you're hitting in the low 30's...

Overall I'd say the Ion. Why? Because the Ion doesn't need ups, but they are nice to have. The fact that the Omen is a blowback, has an archaic backblock design, and no eyes makes it inferior to a marker that weighs less, costs the same, has more features, and can shoot just as fast.


The Ion weighs is less than a Freaking 1/2 lighter than the Omen. Its not that big of a deal. Actually, its pretty much common knowledge that the Ion needs ups. Why else would there be so many if it wasn't needed? The Omen is the one that doesn't need any upgrades. The Omen comes with more features too bud.

[Crede777]

The Ion weighs is less than a Freaking 1/2 lighter than the Omen. Its not that big of a deal. Actually, its pretty much common knowledge that the Ion needs ups. Why else would there be so many if it wasn't needed? The Omen is the one that doesn't need any upgrades. The Omen comes with more features too bud.
1. While not being a huge deal, it's still an advantage to be lighter.
2. The Ion doesn't require ups to shoot 17 balls per second. It has many ups because of the wide following it has. The more people that show interest in a product, the more ups there will be. It's the same for videogames and expansions onto that game.
3. If there was an upgrade to eliminate the blowback and the backblock movement, it'd practically be more necessary than any upgrade the Ion has for it.

[IronCorps]

As a spyder/clone tech expert, i see the omen as a lost cause. 2 main springs and a non-vertical feed simply do not look apealing. Blowbacks are some of the lowest matenence guns out there, using cam arms and excessive springs and all that simply takes the whole point of it away. The board and reg on the omen are good. Thats it.

[h22lude]

The Ion weighs is less than a Freaking 1/2 lighter than the Omen. Its not that big of a deal. Actually, its pretty much common knowledge that the Ion needs ups. Why else would there be so many if it wasn't needed? The Omen is the one that doesn't need any upgrades. The Omen comes with more features too bud.


How is it common knowledge that the Ion needs ups? Yeah maybe if you want an uncapped board but even 17 bps can hang with a lot of the really expensive markers. For another $80 you can buy a board that will let you shoot as fast as your fingers can pull the trigger.

Why else would there be so many if it wasn't needed?

This is probably one of the dumbest things I have heard. They make the ups because it is needed? No, they make them because a lot of people buy the gun because it is a good gun and want to customize it.

[Sheps]

The Ion weighs is less than a Freaking 1/2 lighter than the Omen. Its not that big of a deal. Actually, its pretty much common knowledge that the Ion needs ups. Why else would there be so many if it wasn't needed? The Omen is the one that doesn't need any upgrades. The Omen comes with more features too bud.
So the body kits and turbochargers are needed on a Lancer (the car)?

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but isn't it more logical to assume that people want to customize their stuff, and since the ION is a relatively easy platform to upgrade it's natural that many manufacturers will turn out their products for it.

[Crede777]

So the body kits and turbochargers are needed on a Lancer (the car)?

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but isn't it more logical to assume that people want to customize their stuff, and since the ION is a relatively easy platform to upgrade it's natural that many manufacturers will turn out their products for it.
In addition to the very large consumer base...

The Ion, according to SP, was going to be customizable from the get go. That's why they made the interchangable composite bodies and what not.

[pbrascal37]

If any of you have shot a stock ion vs a upped ion you would definitly say the ion needs upgrades

besides that all of the ups and downs of both markers have been thoroughly established even though its entirely personal preference to begin with, why won't anyone just let this poor abused thread die already X(

[PhillipA5]

So the body kits and turbochargers are needed on a Lancer (the car)?

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but isn't it more logical to assume that people want to customize their stuff, and since the ION is a relatively easy platform to upgrade it's natural that many manufacturers will turn out their products for it.

The Lancer (Evo) already comes Turbocharged you idiot. A regular Lancer is like an economy car. No, the body kits aren't needed on the Lancers, thats just ricers being ***.

[IronCorps]

The cars/paintball comparison is getting very old, especially when all people do is argue about it.:sleep:

[Sheps]

The Lancer (Evo) already comes Turbocharged you idiot. A regular Lancer is like an economy car. No, the body kits aren't needed on the Lancers, thats just ricers being ***.
Right... so my analogy is wrong because the Lancer EVO has a turbo...?

And I'm the one thats supposed to be the idiot here?

FYI, the analogy was not pertaining to cars, it was pertaining to the presence of aftermarket parts, and how they do not neccesarily indicate a deficit in the base model of a gun/car/marker/any other thing that has aftermarket parts manufactured for it.

[Cerealkillerz]

[quote=papaintballer15]well evil beats SP in warranty, and customer service (i email joe at PMI and he respondes same day unless its a sunday then its next day)quote]

For the record a barb on my ION's solenoid broke.
I call SP and explained I hadn't sent the warrenty in.
He said no prob.
1 week later they replaced the entire solenoid/board assembly free of charge.
No questions asked.

[Nexxus]

1 week later. PMI sends it back 2 days later.

[runner31490]

1 week sounds pretty good compared to what i got stuck with back when i had my icon, took 32 degrees over a month to get my gun back

[slaminator3323]

If any of you have shot a stock ion vs a upped ion you would definitly say the ion needs upgrades

besides that all of the ups and downs of both markers have been thoroughly established even though its entirely personal preference to begin with, why won't anyone just let this poor abused thread die already X(
I found my Ion very bearable stock, it's just that my parents are forbidding me to get a new gun for a while that I'm upping it so much, so far I've just been adding things that will allow me to be lazier, not things that are needed.

[Dye_i3]

i myself own an ion (that i am looking to sell lol). before i bought it i was considering the omen 2.0 but i guess i went with the ion instead. my ion has never craped out on me. but over a half a year ive spent over 500 dollars upgrading it. for about 800 dollars i think i could have gotten a better gun. so if you looking to buy the ion or the omen Dont....just save up till you can get a better gun that you dont need to upgrade as much. im not saying its a bad gun its just not one of the better ones out there

[Cerealkillerz]

Does PMI replace $75 parts absolutly free?
No questions asked?
Without warrenty?

[IronCorps]

Well, in most cases, at least that i've seen, yea.

[Cerealkillerz]

OK then the 2 Customer Supports are comparible.
Don't hate on SP, there CS is great and there products are too.

[papaintballer15]

Does PMI replace $75 parts absolutly free?
No questions asked?
Without warrenty?


Yes, PMI/Evil will replace anything free of charge, no questions asked, and since its lifetime warranty a warranty card isn't even needed for reference. I never sent mine in. Upto a year they will replace specific things like board,eyes and other things a person might break. After year, it just comes down to lpr,det.,on/off,bolt,valve,ram assembly and other things that may go wrong with it, plus offer free labor and 2 day turn around.

[cyberpyr8]

1. While not being a huge deal, it's still an advantage to be lighter.
2. The Ion doesn't require ups to shoot 17 balls per second. It has many ups because of the wide following it has. The more people that show interest in a product, the more ups there will be. It's the same for videogames and expansions onto that game.
3. If there was an upgrade to eliminate the blowback and the backblock movement, it'd practically be more necessary than any upgrade the Ion has for it.

1. The Ion is .5oz lighter.
2. The Ion doesn't REQUIRE ups, but if you want to keep up with higher end guns it does NEED them. The fact that there aren't many upgrades for Omens speaks volumes about their out of the box usefulness.
3. The block moving doesn't really affect anything, unless your putting a drop on it and your mask might hit it. Otherwise, the block moving doesn't really cause any down side. I doubt you have shot an Omen if you find that and the weight to be big problems.

Having owned/Still own several of both markers, I can tell you the Omen is more balanced feeling and sturdier than a stock Ion. It doesn't have the leaking problems Ions suffer from and they are a better value for the money.

The biggest selling point of the Ion is that there are a ton of upgrades for them. They are great if you like to one up everyone else that owns them. For Omen owners it isn't about upgrading, it's about out of the box accuracy and a great warranty.

[Sheps]

The fact that there aren't many upgrades for Omens speaks volumes about their out of the box usefulness.
Agreed, intimidators suck out of the box. :dodgy:
3. The block moving doesn't really affect anything, unless your putting a drop on it and your mask might hit it. Otherwise, the block moving doesn't really cause any down side. I doubt you have shot an Omen if you find that and the weight to be big problems.
The block is the problem, it doesn't have to be there, Evil could have made the Omen open-bolt (like a Spyder) or attempted to internalize the back block (like a half-blocked autococker), but as it is it's just dead weight that adds to recoil.

[OC Assasin]

this thread is an asian person with bird flu, im the grave digger, its over with, end it, forget about it... :tombstne::atten:

[cyberpyr8]

The block is the problem, it doesn't have to be there, Evil could have made the Omen open-bolt (like a Spyder) or attempted to internalize the back block (like a half-blocked autococker), but as it is it's just dead weight that adds to recoil.

My 10 year old uses one and hasn't complained about the weight or recoil, but maybe it is too much for some of you. You may be better off with an Ion in that case.

Agreed, intimidators suck out of the box.
???

[Crede777]

1. The Ion is .5oz lighter. This is still an advantage no matter how slight.
2. The Ion doesn't REQUIRE ups, but if you want to keep up with higher end guns it does NEED them. The fact that there aren't many upgrades for Omens speaks volumes about their out of the box usefulness.
No, it speaks volumes about the user base of the Omen. Which is a smaller amount of paintballers who are looking at the Omen as a stepping stone between a Tippmann or a Spyder and a high end. Smart Parts realizes that people who own Ions may want to upgrade it in order to keep up with the everchanging sport. Uncapped boards, aftermarket QEV's, different triggers and the like.
3. The block moving doesn't really affect anything, unless your putting a drop on it and your mask might hit it. Otherwise, the block moving doesn't really cause any down side. I doubt you have shot an Omen if you find that and the weight to be big problems.
Once again let me reiterate what I said. The weight isn't a problem, but the fact that the Ion is even a tiny bit lighter gives it an advantage in that area. Also, Omens are no more balanced weight wise than an Ion. Being a long time Cocker vet, I know that a moving backblock means more moving parts in general. More moving parts means more things that can and will break or become untimed.
Having owned/Still own several of both markers, I can tell you the Omen is more balanced feeling and sturdier than a stock Ion. It doesn't have the leaking problems Ions suffer from and they are a better value for the money.
Because all Ions leak out of the box...Or maybe it's because of the fact that they're electropneumatic, thus requiring more o-rings, and the fact that the user base is generally newer to the sport, and don't take good care of it.
The biggest selling point of the Ion is that there are a ton of upgrades for them. They are great if you like to one up everyone else that owns them. For Omen owners it isn't about upgrading, it's about out of the box accuracy and a great warranty.
No, the greatest selling point of the Ion is the price, the breakbeam eyes, the different shooting modes, the fact that it's electro pneumatic as opposed to blowback, and the fact that it is quite small and compact.

The backblock movement doesn't really affect anything, sure, but it's an outdated mechanism that doesn't help anything, it just causes problems. Even WGP realized that with the internal cocking rod on the Karnivore and now the new Black Magic which has been half-blocked.

And as for the Intimidators, there are TONS of upgrades for Timmies. But do they need them out of the box? No. So why do the upgrades exist? Because lots of people own them and would like to customize them.

[Sheps]

My 10 year old uses one and hasn't complained about the weight or recoil, but maybe it is too much for some of you. You may be better off with an Ion in that case.

Your going to be spending $240 either way, so why would you buy something heavier and harder to walk (regardless of the trigger setup, which is an easy fix)? It seems to me that if you want to be able to shift targets quickly (which is necessary in speedball) you will want something as light and compact as possible. My proof of this: SWAT teams, they are forced to fight in close quartes and therefore are equipped with small, easy to maneuver weapons (even their shotguns and rifles are made as small and light as possible). Now, this does not necessarily mean the ION has a large advantage in this way, but you take every break you can get, right?

???

It's long been stated that the lack of aftermarket parts indicates that the Omen is nearly perfect out of the box, and that the vast market of parts indicates that the ION is lacking in many categories.

If thats the case, then the statement that Intimidators suck is entirely accurate.

[cyberpyr8]

First, my upped Ions were actually heavier than my stock omen. Not to mention they were not as evenly balanced with a hopper on them. The Omens are amazingly balanced even with the moving block and offset feedneck.

Second, I don't believe either of you two have ever owned or shot an Omen enough to know anything about them. It's amazing to me how many Ion owners ask to hold and shoot our Omens at the field and tell me how impressed they are with it in person. The reason they are interested is because we are on semi, and keeping up with them or pretty close to it.

Third, the block may be unecessary, but the gun shoots accurately for having the block move. It may be outdated technology, but it doesn't hinder the accuracy.

Timmy's may have a lot of upgrades offered, but no one will tell you that you REALLY should upgrade them. The Timmy is offered in many configurations and it may not be ideal for everyone. But no one is saying that you should upgrade your Timmy out of the box. If no upgrades were offered for the Timmy do you think they would sell less of them? Probably not. If they offered no upgrades for the Ions, do you think it would affect sales, definately.

I play front and the weight has never been a concern. Like I said before, my upped Ion actually weighed more than the stock Omen did. As far as easier to walk, I found the Omen trigger to be easier to walk due to the shape allowing you to get your fingers where is feels comfortable. The stock Ion trigger has the bump in the middle that really prevented me from hitting it where I needed to. I upgraded mine to a blade (on the Ion) and it was better.

We could go back and forth forever. You like your Ions, fine. I just think that people should hear both sides of the story. PB has become so Ion-centric, there is a lot of misinformation out there (pro and con for the Ion). It really does come down to what people like in a marker.

[DirtyBirdy51]

First, my upped Ions were actually heavier than my stock omen. Not to mention they were not as evenly balanced with a hopper on them. The Omens are amazingly balanced even with the moving block and offset feedneck. how could something be evenly balanced when a major source of weight on the object is offset. ive only used vertical feed guns before, so that is a mystery to me.

Second, I don't believe either of you two have ever owned or shot an Omen enough to know anything about them. It's amazing to me how many Ion owners ask to hold and shoot our Omens at the field and tell me how impressed they are with it in person. The reason they are interested is because we are on semi, and keeping up with them or pretty close to it. keeping up with the ions on what, its semi?

Third, the block may be unecessary, but the gun shoots accurately for having the block move. It may be outdated technology, but it doesn't hinder the accuracy.

Timmy's may have a lot of upgrades offered, but no one will tell you that you REALLY should upgrade them. The Timmy is offered in many configurations and it may not be ideal for everyone. But no one is saying that you should upgrade your Timmy out of the box. If no upgrades were offered for the Timmy do you think they would sell less of them? Probably not. If they offered no upgrades for the Ions, do you think it would affect sales, definately. wrong. like crede said, the selling points on the ion is its ~220 price tag, the eyes, electro pneumatic operation, etc. people would still buy it despite the lack of ups.

I play front and the weight has never been a concern. Like I said before, my upped Ion actually weighed more than the stock Omen did. As far as easier to walk, I found the Omen trigger to be easier to walk due to the shape allowing you to get your fingers where is feels comfortable. The stock Ion trigger has the bump in the middle that really prevented me from hitting it where I needed to. I upgraded mine to a blade (on the Ion) and it was better. being easier to walk is all preference. what may be easy to you may be difficult for others. i enjoy my stock ion trigger, but then again, anything is lighter than a poorly timed cocker trigger. as for the increased weight of your ion, it was probably the material of you upgrades, but even then, the weight wouldnt increase exponentially.

We could go back and forth forever. You like your Ions, fine. I just think that people should hear both sides of the story. PB has become so Ion-centric, there is a lot of misinformation out there (pro and con for the Ion). It really does come down to what people like in a marker.

yeah, you'd better quit while you're not too far behind. you wont win with Crede fighting against you.

[IronCorps]

yeah, you'd better quit while you're not too far behind. you wont win with Crede fighting against you.
He wont win against anyone because most ion owners have too much pride in their guns to admit when they've been beat, or at least made a valid point against.

[Crede777]

He wont win against anyone because most ion owners have too much pride in their guns to admit when they've been beat, or at least made a valid point against.
It's a good thing I've never owned an Ion, and I appreciate the comment Birdy, but cyberpyr8 is right about some things. The offset feedneck won't affect anything, it's only slightly offset.

By accuracey, I'm assuming you mean kick and gun movement. Regardless, I don't think anyone should be arguing that backblock movement causes kick. It actually gives the marker more of a horizontal (straight forward and back) kick as opposed to a vertical (up/down) kick.

What I was iterating when I mentioned the backblock was that more moving parts means more complexity and more things to not work on a marker. Also, unless QEV's are present along with a nice ram, backblocks can limit speed balls per second wise.

I agree with you that it's primarily about what people want in a marker, and that the Omen is a capable lower end electro (along with the Ion I might add). What the point is, however, is that many people find the feel of an electro-pneumatic spool valve to be better than that of a cocker, a blowback, or a cocker/blowback hybrid. Also the inclusion of breakbeam eyes over cam arms and being slightly lighter and more compact stock are advantages over the Omen.

[Sheps]

First, my upped Ions were actually heavier than my stock omen. Not to mention they were not as evenly balanced with a hopper on them. The Omens are amazingly balanced even with the moving block and offset feedneck.
I fail to see how that is possible, unless you added a massive drop forward. The only things that are of a substantial weight that can be added to the ION are a metal body, barrel, drop, and regulator. The remainder of the upgrades are electronics or pneumatics fittings. Although you do have a valid point when you speak of balance. I would really appreciate it if you posted what you have on your ION, just so I can figure out where you are coming from.

Second, I don't believe either of you two have ever owned or shot an Omen enough to know anything about them. It's amazing to me how many Ion owners ask to hold and shoot our Omens at the field and tell me how impressed they are with it in person. The reason they are interested is because we are on semi, and keeping up with them or pretty close to it.

I have no doubt that the Omen is fast, I actually wonder how much trigger bounce is involved but I have to admit that since my area is very deprived of paintball I have yet to see an Omen in anything but videos. Nevertheless, I will likely be moving to an area with several paintball fields by fall at the latest.

Third, the block may be unecessary, but the gun shoots accurately for having the block move. It may be outdated technology, but it doesn't hinder the accuracy.

Actually, the bak block will decrease accuracy slightly, but that is not why I dislike it. The reason I hate back blocks is because the add mass to the marker, and while they might actually stabilize a marker during the firing sequence (I'll have to ponder that one more) any added cyclical mass will cause a certain amount of vibration (whether it be back and forth or rotational). Regardless, with the added mass vibration increases, and due to added vibration your ability to walk the marker may be decreased because the increased vibration demands a tighter grip.

Timmy's may have a lot of upgrades offered, but no one will tell you that you REALLY should upgrade them. The Timmy is offered in many configurations and it may not be ideal for everyone. But no one is saying that you should upgrade your Timmy out of the box. If no upgrades were offered for the Timmy do you think they would sell less of them? Probably not. If they offered no upgrades for the Ions, do you think it would affect sales, definately.

Not really, if there were no upgrades for the ION I would still buy one, most likely people such as Crede would still see the inherit value in the ION and reccomend them as a good entry level tourney marker. Keep in mind that people have used stock ION's in tourneys (Strange did, although there an SP sponsored team, they still could have used their Shockers though.)

I play front and the weight has never been a concern. Like I said before, my upped Ion actually weighed more than the stock Omen did. As far as easier to walk, I found the Omen trigger to be easier to walk due to the shape allowing you to get your fingers where is feels comfortable. The stock Ion trigger has the bump in the middle that really prevented me from hitting it where I needed to. I upgraded mine to a blade (on the Ion) and it was better.

This is where preference comes in, triggers can be switched and weight can be shifted, added or lost. I have even seen some people state that they like a little bit of vibration when they're firing their marker.

We could go back and forth forever. You like your Ions, fine. I just think that people should hear both sides of the story. PB has become so Ion-centric, there is a lot of misinformation out there (pro and con for the Ion). It really does come down to what people like in a marker.

Agreed, I actually wish there were less people buying IONs as their first marker, so that they can learn a little about electronics and the mechanics of paintball markers. This doesn't mean that I like the Omen any more though ;) .

[cyberpyr8]

At least we agree on something! :P

[DirtyBirdy51]

At least we agree on something! :P

Hurray for Agreement...

...wow that was lame

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Indian Creek Designs- ProMaster

[skoolpunk22]

well i personally think that everyone has contributed good things to think about and also have well over established the pros and cons of these 2 markers but i personaly have agreed with the omen owners who have much atributed to my desicion of buying the omen and i also this is my second electro gun i had an imagine which i hated the accuracy, but the speed was alright. and ive never had a blow back coker format befor so im wandering how the cleaning would be thats my question. also i like the lifetime warenty:D so anyway the t-board who makes it and who sells it???????? :propellr: d

[cyberpyr8]

Scenario Dreams is testing them right now. They are trying to be sure that when they come out that they are working 100%. I talked to Boss Paintball and he said that if you buy the board and have him install it it was going to be around $75-85. They have to do some splicing for the solenoid.

http://www.scenariodreams.com/

[skoolpunk22]

Ok nice boss piantball sweet............NEver heard of it srry lol i live in LA lol, dude ure debats are really phenomenally said, my friend got an ion hes still bad mouthing me about the omen lets just see how hes gona lik it during snapshot drills HEHE :D he is gona get goged lol also wats the stuff gona do on the t board anything? lke rebound or modes. and hows the maintanance with the gun and reckock and velocity thing? cant wait to get mine in just bought it off line:elephant: and it should be comin in today or tomarow

[Krazyballer]

^i dont quite agree whith that but okay. anyway why do you hate ions so much sure its a noob gun and yeah a lot of noobs have them but their are pro teams that use them also. well if you feel like hating ions i'll let you hate ions i guess.

[iliveforthis99]

6 pages of crap and nothing has been settled.

[cyberpyr8]

Part of the problem is you have people who have only ever shot one or the other (or neither) posting arguments they really aren't sure of.

[Sheps]

Actually, I think the major problem is perspective. People almost always add their own perspective to the situation, so someone who uses a lot of high ends may find the Omen lacking in it's greater vibration, and so will find the ION more to their tastes. Whereas to someone who deals with lower-end markers will not see the more subtle differences but will see the obvious, glaring ones (apparent delicacy of parts, and raw speed).

Different people, different criteria for judging.

[pr0xy_dA3m0n 1]

yes, ive shot both, and i think the feel of the ion is better than the omen, because of the stright feed, and the stock trigger, but i prefer the promaster over the ion. Just my unbiased opinion.

[masterchef250]

Ion is the best out of the 2 by far. It is smaller, lighter and has break beam eyes. In a game you never need to go faster the 15 bps anyways. In the Ion vs Promaster it is all preferance in which i perfer the ion.
Just my 2cents
Geoff

[papaintballer15]

let the thread die!!!

[pr0xy_dA3m0n 1]

no thanks.

[masterchef250]

this thread is rather fun actually. nothing like arguing about whos guns better

[iliveforthis99]

Yeah it's fun but in the end stupid.

[pr0xy_dA3m0n 1]

and you cant say you do stupid things for the fun of it?

[iliveforthis99]

Oh no i do. But i was just saying it rarely solves anything.

[skoolpunk22]

ya guys this thread should die im kinda a new but i no when things should die and when they shouldnt even be started in the first place, and yes sheps perspective does mess up the comparison i mean i have an omen 2.0 and i used to have a spyder imagine so both guns seem pretty equal to me and so what if the pros use the ion, its probably because they didnt read the omen coments on this thread lol....so and i no that since im affing this im adding more fuel to the fire so ahahahahahaha this sucks for u paintballa15:D i got my omen2.0 it seriously kiks some anus love the trigger

[runner31490]

skool, pros use ions because they have sp as their sponsers. sp wouldnt give a team they are sponsering omens to use....i could take you 1v1 with my ion and id own your A**

[skoolpunk22]

well yea uve got a point ther and i also was actally considering trding my omen for an ion at store they might be able to give me an ion for an omen if i could trade it in, and also i dunno about that. and agian is ther a new trigger that iu can get on my omen if possible because thats the only thing i dont like about the omen:confused:

[papaintballer15]

there are a few triggers for omens. May be possible to find a "the better one" trigger someplace, but evil also has aftermarket triggers for the omen.

[PhillipA5]

there are a few triggers for omens. May be possible to find a "the better one" trigger someplace, but evil also has aftermarket triggers for the omen.

TBO stopped making triggers. I'm getting the Omen blade. Its only $25 for shipping both ways, and the trigger. Evil is installing it for free.

[papaintballer15]

i know their not made, hence reason i said "may be possible to find"

[NKwish]

I just recently shot an ION for the first time and it seemed to be an okay piece of equipment. It did have a "toyish" feel to it, which would have me question its longevity. I just bought a used 03' OMEN and it is in great shape, the marker feels like a real gun. The owner said that he has put alot of paint through the gun, but when you tear it down there's not a mark anywhere. It would be interesting if someone who plays alot were to get one of each brand and alternate between the two for some serious play time and document what happens along the way. Either way with about the same amout of shots through both(a hopper...LoL) my vote is for the OMEN.

[zinger565]

Ion = Electro-Pnumatic

Omen = BlowBack

END OF STORY

arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded

[di$TOrTed]

6 pages of crap and nothing has been settled.
I'll settle it.
Shoot both, get what you like better.
If you can't shoot them, get what one has more features that you think you will use.

[PhillipA5]

This horse has beat, ressurected, beat again, ressurected again, then shot with an AK.

Let the poor ******* die.

[Krazyballer]

yea i just glanced over this and it looks to me like this is basically retarded.
who cares whitch gun is better if you can beat other guys at the fields thats all that matters. so y dont you guys call it quits.

[macdev_cyborg]

the evil omen is way better than an ion.
no questions asked.

[iliveforthis99]

how? what makes it better?