expansion for avenger 3?

[scarficito]

anybody have any suggestions for an expansion chamber for an avenger3?
any suggestions for a drop forward?

[Guitarronero]

IMO you should save ye cash and buy something a little better

[nocpan]

32 degrees 6 stage expansion chamber is really good, go for it, later you can use spyder regulator kit and have a nice constant pressure

[belvins]

no offense or anything but GET A NEW GUN

[tippMANNDAN19]

GET A NEW GUN I reccomend something with the name tippmann on it


Quote:
Originally Posted by PaintballSnoopy
I hate to burst your bubble but theres no such thing as snipers in paintball...and no such thing as santa either..

[nocpan]

why do you even bother comming to this section if the only thing you can say is buy a better marker? Avenger is basically a Spyder Victor, and tippmanns chop paint too... and have problems with the power tube in the cold :P

so either recommend an expansion chamber, or just stop, its freaking kindergarden all over again

[tippMANNDAN19]

Hey NocPAn you have no idea what your talking about. Tippmanns dont even chop paint and even if you got one that did you can send in back and they will fix it for free. Ive played in the snow and never had a problem with the power tube. Your just mad because you dont own a tippmann and u probally own an avenger or some other crappy paintball product from Brass EAgle.

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TIPPMANN 98CUSTOM, Response trigger, cyclone feeder, camo graphics, double trigger kit, Tippmann drop forward, 2 20oz co2 tanks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by PaintballSnoopy
I hate to burst your bubble but theres no such thing as snipers in paintball...and no such thing as santa either..

[nocpan]

check out my site, I dealt with A5's and 98, I actually modded a standard 98 with cyclone feed which was fun, tippmans are a ***** to service, they do chop paint like any other low end marker (that's right tippmanns are low end markers same as spyders, pirahnas, iconz, bt4s, armortechs, and the list goes on) A5 unregulated has a problem with hpa tanks attached directly to them, i seen a cyclone break a ball and given that no tippmann is good for field stripping guy was out on a bench for 2 hours cleaning his marker. So yeah I been around tippmanns, I used to play with pro-lites back in highschool and own 2 mirages now (canadian version of pro-lite) :P

i ain't trying to start a holly war, just don't like people bashing a decent product, so you don't have anything creative to say... just don't

[scarficito]

thanks nocpan, exactly what you said. who cares what you think about Brass Eagle. im only asking for a suggestion for an expansion chamber, not to throw out the gun. ive modded my gun to meet up standards higher than a semi auto spyder. my setup is an avenger 3 with a pmi razzor barrel, vl evolution hopper, 20 ounce pure energy c02, kingman java asa. planning to get the viewloader e-grip to turn it full auto.

this goes for tippmanndan19, tippmans do chop FYI, ive used a custom 98 with nitro. within two hours it chopped four balls.

[scarficito]

by tha way noc pan, is there a bolt, drop forward and reg. that i can use for my avenger 3 (same as orion)

[Sheps]

I've heard good thing about the ACI six-stage, and don't put too much into the Avenger, it and the Orion are pretty good for BE markers, but they definitely can be improved upon (my Orion has massive blowback which could be fixed with a different bolt design).

[nocpan]

i never found a different bolt for my orion, so i just polished it really nicely, took a drill and made the hole in the bolt much bigger, because it is rediculusly small. If you get a regulator later, and now are working with just expansion chamber get the Spyder Regulator kit on e-bay its good, i heard not so good things about PMI regulator, and I'm using Hybrid Tech Stage 2 reg on my piranha which is quite good, also just got a smart parts reg off an ion, its not good enough for a 15bps marker, (slow recharge) but perfect for anything 5 - 12 bps. and if u got the $$$ get bob long torpedo and be done with it or a palmer. See my site and what i did to my orion, its all there.

[scarficito]

hey i found a cheap 32 degrees gas thru foregrip on a website. take a look, would it fit? how long should i buy the hose? and does the hose go straight through the grip or is the hose screwed through the bottom?
website

www.888paintball.com

[scarficito]

i forgot to tell you, click on gas systems and accessories, and then click on foregrips. the one i want is in red

[nocpan]

Gas through grip is not as good as 6 stage expansion chamber.
think this: http://www.xpaintball.com/exch.html
or this
http://www.shop4paintball.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1987

you also need an adapter, orion and avenger don't have standard asa going down. there is one sold by view loader.

[nocpan]

http://www.vlproseries.com/

check out this store, they have all parts you need to put in upgrades :)

[scarficito]

will the gas thru grip fit on it though?

[scarficito]

which adapter did you buy for orion?

[nocpan]

http://www.vlproseries.com/bostve.html

this one, the right hand one i donno what's the difference but i got this one, I bet any of the adapters will do, but u need it first before you attach anything. Orion has this wierd threading on its bottom line.

its exactly like the old spyders, that's why the spyder tl regulator kit fits because its made with those more coarse threads

[Funandgunz]

dont let anyone mess with ya' I have the first avenger and it works flawless even against those spray and pray full auto's. But to the point try a website I am not sure of the wording but I think it is paintball-loco. They may have what you need.


:eyes:

[scarficito]

thanks funandgunz, avengers rule. they last as long as you maintain them.
going full auto soon. i own a talon ghost too, black

[scarficito]

hey what about that pro series derlin bolt?
any good?

[nocpan]

i had bad expirience with delrin, it swells up sooner or later, so does nylatron (i own a tigershark bolt for my pirahna, its too big to fit the marker now)

stick with your regular one, just make the hole bigger

[belvins]

Some of the most noobish things have been said in this forum. First of all, I'm not much of a tippmann fan. But, they are the MOST DURABLE marker out there. Thats a bunch of crap saying that tippmanns chop. There way better than a brass eagle anyday so I would keep your mouth shut.

[tippMANNDAN19]

Hey scarfictio if u hurry u can still sell your gun for 2 friggin cents. Cmon expansion chamber on a avenger 3. You gotta be kiddin.

Tippmann 98 custom, response trigger, cyclone feeder, camo graphics, Tippmann Drop Forward, Double trigger kit
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaintballSnoopy
I hate to burst your bubble but theres no such thing as snipers in paintball...and no such thing as santa either..


Faith in your new Aprentice misplace may be, as is your faith in the dark side of the force- Yoda

[Nebacanezher]

alright look stop messin with the kid because he wants to make his avenger better, if you people care so much about that paint blender you call a tippmann go to a tippman forum. wait veiw loader made an e grip?

[belvins]

alright look stop messin with the kid because he wants to make his avenger better, if you people care so much about that paint blender you call a tippmann go to a tippman forum. wait veiw loader made an e grip?
Look, I don't mind if you say somethin back, a lot of people learn stuff in flame wars and plus thats one of the things that makes this site awesome. But, you need to get your facts straight. I never thought I would be supporting tippmann this much but right now you might as well put "flame me" in your post because there is no way a tippmann is a paintblender. I'm gonna be nice and not say anything about your avenger.

[tippMANNDAN19]

Cmon nebecanezher, "paintblender" get facts straight son, tippmanns dont chop. When you have a good comeback let me know id like to hear it.


Tippmann 98 custom, response trigger, cyclone feeder, camo graphics, Tippmann Drop Forward, Double trigger kit
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaintballSnoopy
I hate to burst your bubble but theres no such thing as snipers in paintball...and no such thing as santa either..



Faith in your new Aprentice misplace may be, as is your faith in the dark side of the force- Yoda

[nocpan]

tippMANNDAN19- I hate to burst your bubble but theres no such thing as snipers in paintball...and no such thing as marker never chopping either.. - you just need the right conditions for it to start chopping.

belvins - for a "christian paintballer" you seem to have a lot of hate issues and lack of tolerance and brotherly love in you, join me playing on the opposite team the benefits are great!

[Sheps]

there is no way a tippmann is a paintblender.
Why? Any marker lacking an ACS system basically will chop as much as any other marker lacking an ACS system; the Tippman is no exception.

[skidds]

Why? Any marker lacking an ACS system basically will chop as much as any other marker lacking an ACS system; the Tippman is no exception.

I agree, also the tippman is a good beginner marker the same as an avenger, the tipmann is NO better. So if someone wants to improve on their marker you can either help them out or say nothing! This person wants to put an xpansion chamber on his marker...so why the instant insults and putdowns?

As for the Tipmans, I have used many 98's as rentals and I never had any problem with them chopping.

[Nebacanezher]

im not saying tippmans suck, i was just annoyed that these people are saying that avengers suck and that there tippmanns are so much better. i have used them as rentals, we all have at least once and they chop to some degree. an avenger was my first gun (now i use an ion with an element 85 frame, vortex body kit, qevs, 14 inch all american, but that isnt important) i never had a problem with it so people all im saying is dont bash brass eagles

[scarficito]

thanks for the replies guys.(not in sarcastic way). i just want to improve my gun notin else. dont want to get in any argument about whos gun is better than whos. if you dont have any suggestions, just trash talk, get off this thread!

what is it tippmanndan, is it that you dont fit in with the tippman forum? why are even writing on this forum if you dont even own a brass eagle?

[zachrichards]

hey i got an avenger and am trying to upgrade it does anyone know if you by the vl e-grip that comes on the achual gun if it is the same as the one you by at the store of is the one at the store higher quality. the gun goes for 25 on ebay and the grip is not on ebay making it 70 also i am cind of confused what expancion chamber is overeral the best and how much does it go for i am in a tight buged and custom do most of my stufff(electric hopper and drop forward i will sell any one one for real cheap just e-mail me)

[skidds]

They are the same E-frames. Goto VL's website, they sell all kinds of upgrades for the VL and BE markers.

Go here......

http://www.viewloaderparts.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.catalog

[skidds]

thanks for the replies guys.(not in sarcastic way). i just want to improve my gun notin else. dont want to get in any argument about whos gun is better than whos. if you dont have any suggestions, just trash talk, get off this thread!

what is it tippmanndan, is it that you dont fit in with the tippman forum? why are even writing on this forum if you dont even own a brass eagle?

LOL!!!!! He must have got outcasted from the tipman thread!!! HAHA!!!!

I think he is a closet BRASS EAGLE LOVER!!!!! it must be tearing him up inside his body....his love for the Avenger!! :D :D :D

[belvins]

Actually, he never really visited the tippmann forum. He was banned shortly after his last post in this thread. But seriously get a nicer gun instead of upgrading it. You might not want to now but you won't regret it later.

[zachrichards]

if he was going to get another gun he would of dun it already he does not nead you to tell him that he should get another gun he needs you to tell him the stuff he can do with the gun he has right now

[head32banger]

thanks for the replies guys.(not in sarcastic way). i just want to improve my gun notin else. dont want to get in any argument about whos gun is better than whos. if you dont have any suggestions, just trash talk, get off this thread!

what is it tippmanndan, is it that you dont fit in with the tippman forum? why are even writing on this forum if you dont even own a brass eagle?

http://www.vlproseries.com/borionupgrades.html

anything on this page will work with the Avenger 3 (same exact gun as the VL Orion)

[skidds]

if he was going to get another gun he would of dun it already he does not nead you to tell him that he should get another gun he needs you to tell him the stuff he can do with the gun he has right now

Exactly!!! STOP SAYING BUY ANOTHER GUN!!!!!!!! This guy asked what he could do to his current marker..... just answer the question.....dam!!!!!:pissed:

[Vraptor]

ok to begin lets not have a fight between markers....good way to close this down. Second, Tippmanns DO chop on cheap paint. with a good barrel (AKA flatline or J&J Ceramic) and DECENT paint it works like a charm. I only own an A-5 though. Third, seems like your doing good on your avenger! With some good upgrades you could make it a real competitor. Put some eyes, a board, and a spring kit if you can, and tell me what it does for you. Also buy a diffrent barrel. the stock aluminum is gonna chop like mad. any spyder barrel will work. If you have plenty of money, I say try and put a ACS in it just for the heck of it. BTW dont worry bout these guys
I own both a VL Triton and a Tippmann A-5, and im comfortable with both. Yea i love my tippmann, but i dont come here to make someone feel bad to make me feel good. Thats all you guys are doing. If you have to get you kicks from someone elses pain, then you really need to go to Tippmann and post a forum about how to upgrade a Splatmatic. See how they make you feel. I got tired of it there and i DONT want to hear it here.

[scarficito]

yea the people posting on the tippman forum are writing the same crap.
almost everyone in the picture thread has there gun stock.

[scarficito]

im not to fond of tippmans. i havent tried the pro carbine or the a 5 yet though. i would like to try the c6. anyway about the 98 custom, its
acuraccy, while the gun is stock, is that good as they say. i was planning on buying the 98 custom as my first gun but i was dissapointed with the performance and price. i cant be so certain about the performance because the one i used was a rental. aside from the disses,putdowns and comments i dont have anything against tippman. i actually enjoy using the gun.

[scarficito]

i still think avengers rule!

[skidds]

im not to fond of tippmans. i havent tried the pro carbine or the a 5 yet though. i would like to try the c6. anyway about the 98 custom, its
acuraccy, while the gun is stock, is that good as they say. i was planning on buying the 98 custom as my first gun but i was dissapointed with the performance and price. i cant be so certain about the performance because the one i used was a rental. aside from the disses,putdowns and comments i dont have anything against tippman. i actually enjoy using the gun.

The local field here has the 98 custom as rentals, I used them and I have never chopped 1 ball, the tipmans are very dependable and rugged markers. The stock barrel is horrible.... just upgrade it and you'll be fine. I took my avenger to the field one day and won 3 elimination matches with it against more expensive markers....im not saying the avenger is so great, but is a good beginner marker and I had fun with it. The combo IMO is 80% player and %20 marker. ;)

[Vraptor]

yea the people posting on the tippman forum are writing the same crap.
almost everyone in the picture thread has there gun stock.

yea i kinda noticed that too lol

The avengers almost the same as my triton. I used it for years and i loved it. I just got lucky one day and moved to my Spyder and after that, my A-5. If not for that id probably still be using it today. There are many things you cand mod to it. Lighten the hammer and bolt by trimming off pieces of metal but be careful. you can also buy some delrin and get it made into a bolt since they dont have an Averger bolt like that. i say if ur going to buy a grip and board for it buy a cheap set of eyes or an Bounce-beam eye. These are less reliable but itll save you money.

[zachrichards]

it there a place or wbsite were you canget a trigerframe for the avenger for cheap or do you half to pay75 fo the vl e-grip

[Vraptor]

I found it for 64 bux. I say mod the ESP to fit it cuz 8bps isnt really worth it yaknow. Id try to mod it to fit, probably drill my gun cuz im an idiot but im not gonna argrue with you cuz hey, its better than a Mech trigger :)

[scarficito]

ill get back to you on the vl e grip. i found one for 59.99

[scarficito]

by the way whats the esp

[Vraptor]

http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/3567/
http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/2569/
THESE are ESP frames. made by kingman.

[Sawblakeman13]

If i was you i would try to sell the gun for what i could and save up for a tippmann or a cockers depends on what style you like to play

[nocpan]

Regarding electronic trigger frame, check this out...

http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350974 I was bored so I checked it and took pics.

[Vraptor]

If i was you i would try to sell the gun for what i could and save up for a tippmann or a cockers depends on what style you like to play

He said he wasnt interested in a new gun. Acctually If this is the first PG tye gun hes done, let em at it. If you try to bug him into buying a new gun he may never.

[scarficito]

your right vp raptor. and nocpan, that was insane. ill try to find a grip on ebay.

[nocpan]

it will take some customization but it is doable to fit a PMI E-force grip on an orion, avenger, or triton... little cut here, little shave there, maybe a trip to home depot, I want to find an electronic frame and another orion...

[Vraptor]

www.VLproseries.com I acctually like this place. I seen it on a forum and i went to it and i was amazed at the upgrades they had for VL guns.

now everything on this page goes on an Avenger. have fun :)
http://www.vlproseries.com/bup.html

this is your chamber... http://www.vlproseries.com/bchkit.html
They also have an adaptor in case you decide you want another kind, you can fit it on.

http://www.vlproseries.com/bupkit.html
this is the E-grip from Viewloader

[Govinda_T]

Actually, he never really visited the tippmann forum. He was banned shortly after his last post in this thread. HOORAY!!! :elephant::banana: But seriously get a nicer gun instead of upgrading it. You might not want to now but you won't regret it later. If you look at the link in my sig, I did a similar type of modification to a Black Maxx. Everyone ridiculed it until they were afforded the honor of being face-owned by it. It ended up not working out all that well, because it wasn't really designed for such things. (the instruction manual actually specifically advised against x-chambers/gas-thrus/etc.) As a result, it kinda destroyed itself. However since VL/BE sells parts/adaptors specifically for this purpose, it would seem that you would be fine.

And about Tippmanns chopping, it is completely possible, but rather rare. The last time my A-5 chopped was entirely my fault. I had a "noob moment" at the chrono, and forgot to chamber a ball before firing after loading it up with paint. :( The good news is that it had an incredible ability to shoot straight through the goo. The bad news is that it did NOT save me any money on my car insurance. :dodgy: I also have a Brass Eagle Maurader that I have used a few times, and while it does chop a little more than me Tippy, it is NOT as bad as everyone makes it out to be. As long as you don't abuse the everliving crap out of them, they will generally last you a pretty long time and function very well, giving you years of dependable service. The only time it had particularly problematic choppage was when it was winter, 15-30 degrees, using horribly cheap/low-quality paint (making it brittle and fragile, as one would expect) and unassisted CO2 (no anti-siphon, x-chamber, warming devices, etc.). But everyone was chopping on that day, so it wasn't just teh marker. Oh, and BTW, I plan on upping my Marauder a slight bit, and just keep it as a loaner/backup. It's gonna look hawt in medium grey. (With every accessory including teh hopper, barrel, and feed elbow matching in color.):love:

EDIT:BTW, Flatline tend to be a LOT more picky on paint than standard barrels.

[Vraptor]

agreed. how do ysll like vlproseries?

[nocpan]

cheap paint (or old paint) and low teperatures are perfect mix for ball chopping, before christmas with firends we went to play ball, had some paint sitting in the closet for about 6 months, the temp was about 0 - 15 deg., we all chopped paint like crazy, my orion which i borrowed to a firnd was leaking paint left and right, my piranha had its barrel cleaned more that i like to admit, the a5 on my site chopped every second game, and the 2 rental 98's kept chopping pace with the rest, finally we bought a new box of draxxus midnight from the store, and !!! its a miracle no more chop.

[PBingCK]

OK I have got a Avenger for X-mas, But mine is blue and came with an X-chamber, and a 10" barrel. All the ones I've seen are red and no barrel or X-chamber. Have any of you seen my type of marker? and what ups can I do to it?

I would like to make it faster, and maybe a better barrel if I can.
Sad to say but this thing kinda PWNS
Its pretty accurate, and I havent seen it break paint once!!! I've tryed too...

Before one of you flammers say "toss it out" or "buy a new gun"
I have a Tippy 98c W/ Cyclone feed, an R/T and roofus double trigg, Roofus Wicked Venturi Bolt and Power tube, GTA X-chamber, fully polished, and many non-performance ups.

Now the Avenger isnt as Bad as my Tippy but its bad enough to make a back up or loaner. Mabey even use it in a game.....Help meh out

sorry to bring back a kinda old post

[skx762]

I'm betting you have an Avenger 3 wich is the same as the VL Orion. I thought I saw the new ones coming out with gas through grips. I will have to pay closer attention at Wally world next time.

If you look on Drop Zone they have diagrams of Avengers 1, 2 and 3.

http://www.dropzonepaintball.com/dropzone/assets/images/static/html/diagrams___manuals.html

Good luck.

[planetaudio]

Anyway to answer your question since all you tippmann idiots have ADD and think your tippmann, which is the EXACT same thing as an avenger, is god, don't really bother with an x-chamber. X-chambers and gas-thru-grips are eactly the same thing. They were designed to "allow" the liquid c02 to expand into a gas before they reach the valve, but in reality they dont really do anything for you. When your in a game and you start shooting rapidly, its cold out, you run around ect, the x-chambers arent effective at all. What you can get however is a reglator. A regulator will regulate the pressure and how much air is entering your valve. But, if you insist on putting an x-chamber on, i have a bunch laying around i can give you.

[nocpan]

i disagree, expansion chambers are more complex that gass through grip,

gass through grip is basically extension of the hose/macroline, expansion chamber (depending on design) has 2-4-6-8 diamond or cone shaped chambers linked allowing the co2 to flow through and expand

regulator will help you but you might encounter problems as well since it will just let less frozen co2 into the marker, in worst case scenario it will freez up

just to give myself a pat on the back i created a wikkedly cool solution for low end markers:

http://www.nocpan.com/pb_vl_orion.htm

this is an orion i did for my girl, look at the last pic, it has a kingman bottomline regulator, which connects to 32 deg. 6-stage expansion chamber, further i got rid of the old low pressure chamber and added a longer one.... now the marker never freezes balls and is consistant down to 5-/+ fps (no really!) and it keeps this up wheather running co2 or no2, it actually out perfroms my piranha with a HT stage 2 regulator

same can be done with avengers, tritons, strikers ect....

[Nebacanezher]

nocpan you never sies to amaze me, the orion mod u did is really really cool