05 vs 06

[paintballin221]

Ok i need to know soon. Im getting it tomorow. Im getting an 05 ego tomrowo in red. But im not too sure if i like the color red and thats the only color avaliable. So im thinking about getting the 06 so i can get it in black. Is it worth it to spend the extra 200$. is there that big of difference? or should i just put up with the red?lol Thanks

[Crede777]

Never EVER settle for something you don't want, especially when it's as costly as an Ego. While you won't see a performance boost with the 06 ego, besides a lower psi, it does have a few advantages over the 05. Between you and me, if you like the black 06, get it. Don't settle.

[f2f4]

Basically, it goes this way (imho):

Nexus Ego6 > Nexus Ego > Ego6 > Ego > face.

And when I say ">", I mean just barely. You really won't notice much of a difference at all.
They all be good, yo. Fershangles.

[pbevan77]

i would go for the 06 cuz it is a year better you like the color.even tho the 06 is almost the same thing.

[bionaire]

Don't tell me that they are almost the same...

Mechanical enhancements:

- Lower pressure operation. Larger volume of stored air in the valve chamber and in-line regulator allow operating pressure to be lowered by up to 50 psi

- Shorter Bolt. Smaller bolt = less reciprocating mass, and therefore higher cycle speeds.

- Improved trigger design. New trigger loses 20% of its thickness and mass. Improved reaction and quicker return. Centrally mounted prong improves resistance to trigger sensor contamination by light and debris.

- Trigger contoured for easier, faster-for-longer string shooting.

- Larger Trigger Guard gives more room for those with fingers of the larger variety. Or even for those nimble enough to utilize the 3-Finger technique.

- Multiple trigger return options. All markers come with spring and magnetic return options. Simply adjust in magnetic, or spring return mechanism. For smoothest pull, use both.

- Integrated snatch grip. Longer frame allows easier carrying and more pleasing aesthetical design.

- Integrated Dovetail Rail. On/Off mounts directly to the frame. No need for extra rail.

- Rubberised Moulded Ergonomic Button Covers. Adds extra element of protection from water ingress as well as comfort and ease of button pressing.

- 06 Detents. Larger Detent base eliminates pull-thru and adds durability to the detent system.

- New Range of Eclipse Colours: Jet Black, Gun Metal Grey, Navy Blue, Scarlet Red, British Racing Green.

- New 06 Instruction Manual. More Detail, more pictures, more maintenance features.

- New Body Profile. Sleeker design, lower weight, and more style. The Ego6 carries on the legendary Ego mantra of form and function combined.

- New In-Line Regulator. Longer and thinner, the new reg offers greater shooting comfort, added style and a larger internal stored volume. It’s new dimensions also allow tighter hose configuration that utilizes easier-to-use push fittings and shorter hose length.


Electronic enhancements:

- New improved circuit board for the new trigger system. New mounting location (not interchangeable with 05 board) and new Optical trigger sensors. New sensors are more powerful, yet use less power than 05 Optical trigger system.

- Advanced Microprocessor; new microprocessor has more power, more memory and greater power saving features than those of previous models.

- More Powerful Eyes; the new Breech Sensor hardware means that the eyes will work in virtually direct sunlight yet use only 20% of the power of the '05 BBSS.

- Improved Battery Life; battery life extended by as much as 63%, depending upon battery type and usage. Continuous tests at 10bps resulted in a 46% improvement over previous models using the factory fitted battery.

- Improved Battery Terminals; new ‘gripper’ battery terminal design is more durable and provides better electrical contact than on previous models.

- Thicker waterproof coating on the circuit board provides even more resistance to water than before.

Software enhancements:

- Improved Breech Sensor Logic; breech sensor is even more responsive than on previous models, which means that the Ego6 is able to react much quicker to paintballs entering the breech.

- Multiple Factory Debounce Settings. Trigger debounce can be set on a simple scale of 1 to 5. Alternatively, users can adjust their own debounce settings. The TT Filter is still available yet can also be switched off completely if required, making this the easiest Ego yet to debounce.

- Adjustable Trigger Hysteresis. Along with the traditional trigger stops, it is now possible to set the trigger activation and release points within the software, providing a level of adjustability far superior to any micro-switch.

- Peak Rate-Of-Fire Indicator; giving two ROF indicators to choose from. Full one second sampling to give “True” number of Balls-Per-Second (same as 05 Ego), or Peak Rate-Of-Fire that gives the rate-of-fire between both the last two consecutive shots AND the fastest two shots achieved in a string. Peak ROF is stored after use for true “bragging rights”.

- Improved Training Mode. Breech Sensor can be switched on and off in Training Mode and all parameters are ‘live’ for a true simulation without the bangs.

- Improved LCD Readability. A new display font and larger BBSS icon improve readability. The dynamic battery level indicator is updated much more frequently than on previous models.

(from the planet eclipse website for the 06 ego)


I forget who said it but NickyT might have, but someone very trustable said that the stock 06 could outperform the XSV...

[Raydee]

The 06 is a better marker than the 05 in my opinion.
Planet took all the mistakes from the 05...not many and fixed them for the 06

The new grip frame and trigger feels better than my 05 and the new software in the 2.0 board is easier to use. THe new bolt is smaller and lighter and the Reg is a bit larger to drop the operating pressure by 50psi.

Is it worth the extra $200???? If you have it why not :)

[Raydee]

Nevermind my post, bionaire did a much better job expaining it!

[Crede777]

No no no, the 06 is not way better than the 05. Performance wise, they are nearly identical. The only differences (besides software) are lower operating pressure, different colors, and rubber button coverings, and different detents. The only notable software upgrade is the improved eye logic.

How much of that effects operation? Only 2; the 50 psi (which you have to set yourself, it comes stock at 100), and the eye logic.

Also, a STAR upgrades Ego such as the XSV or the Nexus has everything else on that list.

Trust me, I've handled both, and they feel and shoot almost identically. And at a much lower cost, if you find an 05, it'll give you much more bang for your buck.

Finally, rumor has it that PE will be releasing the 06 trigger frame (including trigger), software flashes, and 06 reg so that the 05 can be fully upgraded. So really there's nothing lost. Sure the Ego6 is better, but it's not $400 better.

[bionaire]

No no no, the 06 is not way better than the 05. Performance wise, they are nearly identical.
Lets list it again...


Mechanical enhancements:

- Lower pressure operation. Larger volume of stored air in the valve chamber and in-line regulator allow operating pressure to be lowered by up to 50 psi

- Shorter Bolt. Smaller bolt = less reciprocating mass, and therefore higher cycle speeds.

- Improved trigger design. New trigger loses 20% of its thickness and mass. Improved reaction and quicker return. Centrally mounted prong improves resistance to trigger sensor contamination by light and debris.

- Trigger contoured for easier, faster-for-longer string shooting.

- Larger Trigger Guard gives more room for those with fingers of the larger variety. Or even for those nimble enough to utilize the 3-Finger technique.

- Multiple trigger return options. All markers come with spring and magnetic return options. Simply adjust in magnetic, or spring return mechanism. For smoothest pull, use both.

- Integrated snatch grip. Longer frame allows easier carrying and more pleasing aesthetical design.

- Integrated Dovetail Rail. On/Off mounts directly to the frame. No need for extra rail.

- Rubberised Moulded Ergonomic Button Covers. Adds extra element of protection from water ingress as well as comfort and ease of button pressing.

- 06 Detents. Larger Detent base eliminates pull-thru and adds durability to the detent system.

- New Range of Eclipse Colours: Jet Black, Gun Metal Grey, Navy Blue, Scarlet Red, British Racing Green.

- New 06 Instruction Manual. More Detail, more pictures, more maintenance features.

- New Body Profile. Sleeker design, lower weight, and more style. The Ego6 carries on the legendary Ego mantra of form and function combined.

- New In-Line Regulator. Longer and thinner, the new reg offers greater shooting comfort, added style and a larger internal stored volume. It’s new dimensions also allow tighter hose configuration that utilizes easier-to-use push fittings and shorter hose length.

Also it is worth the 400$ more because think about this. You saying that "PE is releasing a 06 frame so he 05 will be a better bang for the buck with the 06 frame". You do realise that frames cost money!!!!! Well if you buy the frame, the frame will make the 05 COST MORE?! "So really there's nothing lost." Yes the thing that is lost is your money. REG, FRAME, BOARD. So your saying "Buy the 05 becuase you save more with the 06 frame". Its more like "Buy a 05 and get a 06 frame and LOOSE YOUR MONEY!!!". YAY. What a great way to save money. So it is worth the extra 400.

[iplaynaked]

I played an entire day with an 06, and hardly noticed a difference from my old 05. It's pretty much all sales hype. Not saying the ego6 is a ****box, it just doesn't run an 05 into the ground.

Oh, and please try to respond without copy and pasting an entire advertisement.

[Crede777]

I played an entire day with an 06, and hardly noticed a difference from my old 05. It's pretty much all sales hype. Not saying the ego6 is a ****box, it just doesn't run an 05 into the ground.

Oh, and please try to respond without copy and pasting an entire advertisement.
Yeah, all he's doing is just posting what's on PE's website. They're listing all of the changes, sure, but few of which actually affect gameplay. Trust us, having used both an 06 and an 05, there is no difference speed, feel, or otherwise.

And no I wasn't saying that the 05 Ego with an 06 frame and reg is a better deal. I'm saying that the 05 Ego stock for $950 is a better deal than an 06 Ego for $1350. They seriously, in 100% honesty, are the same marker. The 06 just has a different frame, reg, and software. It's basically the Ego 05.2 as opposed to the Ego 06.

[Crede777]

Just for fun...
Lets list it again...


Mechanical enhancements:

- Lower pressure operation. Larger volume of stored air in the valve chamber and in-line regulator allow operating pressure to be lowered by up to 50 psi
The only performance improvement what so ever. But any Ego owner in the know is already saving for a Pi reg anyways, even the 06 Ego owners.

- Shorter Bolt. Smaller bolt = less reciprocating mass, and therefore higher cycle speeds.
The Nexus bolt is still smaller.

- Improved trigger design. New trigger loses 20% of its thickness and mass. Improved reaction and quicker return. Centrally mounted prong improves resistance to trigger sensor contamination by light and debris.
Because a 20% smaller trigger is oh so vital to performance.

- Trigger contoured for easier, faster-for-longer string shooting.
The STAR trigger is claimed to do the same.

- Larger Trigger Guard gives more room for those with fingers of the larger variety. Or even for those nimble enough to utilize the 3-Finger technique.
STAR frame anyone? Also, the trigger frame doesn't affect performance, unless you have huge fingers.

- Multiple trigger return options. All markers come with spring and magnetic return options. Simply adjust in magnetic, or spring return mechanism. For smoothest pull, use both.
Not an advantage considering the STAR trigger has the exact same thing. Also, the magnet return blows. For the smoothest pull, you'll end up taking the screw out anyways.

- Integrated snatch grip. Longer frame allows easier carrying and more pleasing aesthetical design.
05 Ego has an integrated snatch grip. The STAR frame has an even more comfortable one than the 06 Ego.

- Integrated Dovetail Rail. On/Off mounts directly to the frame. No need for extra rail.
Why is this even listed? It's no different on the 05 Ego.

- Rubberised Moulded Ergonomic Button Covers. Adds extra element of protection from water ingress as well as comfort and ease of button pressing.
While a nice feature, the rubber covers eventually wear out. But I'll admit it is probably the best of the improvements.

- 06 Detents. Larger Detent base eliminates pull-thru and adds durability to the detent system.
This was only a problem with the very early 05 Egos. After the first 2 batches, the detents worked perfectly.

- New Range of Eclipse Colours: Jet Black, Gun Metal Grey, Navy Blue, Scarlet Red, British Racing Green.
Because the color is oh so important.

- New 06 Instruction Manual. More Detail, more pictures, more maintenance features.
Planet Eclipse already packs a lot of info into their manuals. Also, the Ego is so simple that it should take one look over, and full comprehension is possible.

- New Body Profile. Sleeker design, lower weight, and more style. The Ego6 carries on the legendary Ego mantra of form and function combined.
2.1 pounds as opposed to 2.2. Also, Nexus and XSV milling > Ego6 milling.

- New In-Line Regulator. Longer and thinner, the new reg offers greater shooting comfort, added style and a larger internal stored volume. It’s new dimensions also allow tighter hose configuration that utilizes easier-to-use push fittings and shorter hose length.
While the easier to use push fittings are a nice touch, the reg is fugly and once again, the Pi reg outperforms everything else.


From what you've listed, the vast majority of the so called "improvements" have been aesthetic. It offers no speed increase, no efficiency increase, and is only 1 ounce lighter than the 05 Ego. Also, every self respecting Ego owner is already purchasing a Pi reg and the Tadao m7 board, which virtually eliminate the little advantage that the 06 Ego has over the 05.

While the 06 is a great marker, it's certainly no Ego 2.0.

[bionaire]

By the way, I have shot a 05 mantis ego... So I know what shooting a 05 is like.
If you think that the reg is ugly try holding it, much better than the 05. Also I have held a star frame (on the mantis) and the 06 frame feels EXACTLY the same to me...

Sorry for the people thinking M7 make the 05 ego better because VIRTUE AND M7 IS ALSO GOING TO BE OUT FOR THE EGO6 SOON. There goes the 05 advantage.

[f2f4]

For what it's worth, the stock '05 Ego does NOT come with an integrated rail. All the PL '05 ones do however.

Not a big difference in my book either way.

[Crede777]

Sorry for the people thinking M7 make the 05 ego better because VIRTUE AND M7 IS ALSO GOING TO BE OUT FOR THE EGO6 SOON. There goes the 05 advantage.
I'm not saying it will make the 05 better. And I know that Virtue already has the M7 finished, just waiting to be put into production. But for what it's worth, they're the same boards. All in all, this eliminates the advantage that the 06 has in the 05 software wise. The fact that the 05 is cheaper, however, gives it its advantage again.

Once again, let me summarize my opinion on the matter: The Ego6 is better than the 05 Ego. But it's not $400 better. If Planet Eclipse had released the Ego6 at $1250 and kept the 05 Ego at $1050, then it would be more than justified.

[bionaire]

Once again, let me summarize my opinion on the matter: The Ego6 is better than the 05 Ego. But it's not $400 better. If Planet Eclipse had released the Ego6 at $1250 and kept the 05 Ego at $1050, then it would be more than justified.

LOL That is why I own a EGO6. I got mine for 1250$ Canadian, witch is 1073$ American. I also got other things adding up to over 300$ off the 1073. I still think that the ego6 is worth the extra money though after shooting a mantis. Just the mantis had less kick because I am still messing with the settings of mine.

[Crede777]

Most places I've seen them they've been $1300+

[ase]

Don't tell me that they are almost the same...

Mechanical enhancements:

- Lower pressure operation. Larger volume of stored air in the valve chamber and in-line regulator allow operating pressure to be lowered by up to 50 psi

- Shorter Bolt. Smaller bolt = less reciprocating mass, and therefore higher cycle speeds.

- Improved trigger design. New trigger loses 20% of its thickness and mass. Improved reaction and quicker return. Centrally mounted prong improves resistance to trigger sensor contamination by light and debris.

- Trigger contoured for easier, faster-for-longer string shooting.

- Larger Trigger Guard gives more room for those with fingers of the larger variety. Or even for those nimble enough to utilize the 3-Finger technique.

- Multiple trigger return options. All markers come with spring and magnetic return options. Simply adjust in magnetic, or spring return mechanism. For smoothest pull, use both.

- Integrated snatch grip. Longer frame allows easier carrying and more pleasing aesthetical design.

- Integrated Dovetail Rail. On/Off mounts directly to the frame. No need for extra rail.

- Rubberised Moulded Ergonomic Button Covers. Adds extra element of protection from water ingress as well as comfort and ease of button pressing.

- 06 Detents. Larger Detent base eliminates pull-thru and adds durability to the detent system.

- New Range of Eclipse Colours: Jet Black, Gun Metal Grey, Navy Blue, Scarlet Red, British Racing Green.

- New 06 Instruction Manual. More Detail, more pictures, more maintenance features.

- New Body Profile. Sleeker design, lower weight, and more style. The Ego6 carries on the legendary Ego mantra of form and function combined.

- New In-Line Regulator. Longer and thinner, the new reg offers greater shooting comfort, added style and a larger internal stored volume. It’s new dimensions also allow tighter hose configuration that utilizes easier-to-use push fittings and shorter hose length.


Electronic enhancements:

- New improved circuit board for the new trigger system. New mounting location (not interchangeable with 05 board) and new Optical trigger sensors. New sensors are more powerful, yet use less power than 05 Optical trigger system.

- Advanced Microprocessor; new microprocessor has more power, more memory and greater power saving features than those of previous models.

- More Powerful Eyes; the new Breech Sensor hardware means that the eyes will work in virtually direct sunlight yet use only 20% of the power of the '05 BBSS.

- Improved Battery Life; battery life extended by as much as 63%, depending upon battery type and usage. Continuous tests at 10bps resulted in a 46% improvement over previous models using the factory fitted battery.

- Improved Battery Terminals; new ‘gripper’ battery terminal design is more durable and provides better electrical contact than on previous models.

- Thicker waterproof coating on the circuit board provides even more resistance to water than before.

Software enhancements:

- Improved Breech Sensor Logic; breech sensor is even more responsive than on previous models, which means that the Ego6 is able to react much quicker to paintballs entering the breech.

- Multiple Factory Debounce Settings. Trigger debounce can be set on a simple scale of 1 to 5. Alternatively, users can adjust their own debounce settings. The TT Filter is still available yet can also be switched off completely if required, making this the easiest Ego yet to debounce.

- Adjustable Trigger Hysteresis. Along with the traditional trigger stops, it is now possible to set the trigger activation and release points within the software, providing a level of adjustability far superior to any micro-switch.

- Peak Rate-Of-Fire Indicator; giving two ROF indicators to choose from. Full one second sampling to give “True” number of Balls-Per-Second (same as 05 Ego), or Peak Rate-Of-Fire that gives the rate-of-fire between both the last two consecutive shots AND the fastest two shots achieved in a string. Peak ROF is stored after use for true “bragging rights”.

- Improved Training Mode. Breech Sensor can be switched on and off in Training Mode and all parameters are ‘live’ for a true simulation without the bangs.

- Improved LCD Readability. A new display font and larger BBSS icon improve readability. The dynamic battery level indicator is updated much more frequently than on previous models.

(from the planet eclipse website for the 06 ego)


I forget who said it but NickyT might have, but someone very trustable said that the stock 06 could outperform the XSV...

Most to all of that's just a bunch of bull**** mumbo jumbo. It's like when you need 2,000 words for a report, and it's the night before and you only have 1,500. You just write **** down. A lot of that stuff in that "spec sheet" is crap. For example,

- 06 Detents. Larger Detent base eliminates pull-thru and adds durability to the detent system.

Weeeeeee larger detent base!! Now I have to make sure I get 06 Ego detents instead of 05! Oh boy....

- New Range of Eclipse Colours: Jet Black, Gun Metal Grey, Navy Blue, Scarlet Red, British Racing Green.

Hurrah! They put catchy titles in front of their colors.



The only reason I'm getting an '06 is because I don't want the crappy resale. It is worth the $200 more (IMO), unless you plan to keep your Ego forever. But remember to sell it before mid-November of '06, because the Ego7 will arrive before you know it, instantaneously murdering your resale.

However, not everyone gets MFG. pricing (AKA has a field sponsor) like Eff and I, and the '06 is $400 more as opposed to $200 more. So that is a signifigant factor.

[Crede777]

The places where I get discounts don't carry the 06 ego, cuz they're outta touch like that. And all I really need is paint anywho.

But yeah, if it's only $200 more or less, the 06 would be a wise investement if only for the fact that it's an "06" (While I have had offerings of DM6's for my 05 Nexus on PBN). But $400, the line gets kinda shady.

[ase]

Yep, and I could get a DM6 for <$200 more (and will soon have the ability to afford it) than an '06. But I don't want another Matrix design, and I have been looking forward to another open-bolt. So I'm goin with the Ego and a Sw!tch kit.