Is nitro a good idea?

[xIrish]

My brother's thinking of buying nitrogen for his 98. How much would it improve the overall performance of his gun?

[Canderous]

A LOT. it is cleaner than co2, much cheaper to fill, easier on the internals of the gun, has much more consistency, no velocity spikes, no freezing when firing fast, MUCH better accuracy, etc.

[xIrish]

Nice to see another KOTOR fan. Appreciate the reply.

[paintballer279]

Nitro or compressed air is better than any ohter gas, anyday, period.

Nitro will make it more consistent, cheaper to fill, cleaner when in the gun, and there is no marker freeze up when in higher ROF. :tup:

[Prea]

A LOT. it is cleaner than co2, much cheaper to fill, easier on the internals of the gun, has much more consistency, no velocity spikes, no freezing when firing fast, MUCH better accuracy, etc.
its not easier on the internals, and the consistency with n2 is only a little better.....and the accuracy is only a little better........imo, compressed air on a tippy isnt a great investment unless u also plan on getting atleast a reg, possibly a lpk too....also co2 isnt dirty...so i dont see why people are saying its cleaner on the gun....and the cleanliness of the air is hardly going to affect the marker, if at all

[ltgir]

its not easier on the internals,No, there is no contracting and expaning of the orings/internals with nitro. and the consistency with n2 is only a little betterNo, CO2 (when it is in a bottle) changes pressure because of temperature and liquid. Nitro does not do this.....and the accuracy is only a little betteryes, the accuracy is only inproved a little........imo, compressed air on a tippy isnt a great investment unless u (play tournements)also plan on getting atleast a reg, possibly a lpk too....also co2 isnt dirtyit has liquid in it...so i dont see why people are saying its cleaner on the gun....and the cleanliness of the air is hardly going to affect the marker, if at alldo you know what happens if you get dirt/dust in a valve?:rolleyes:

my statements are in red and his are in black (the quote)

[Canderous]

co2 in its natural form is soot, so it is dirty. won't make much difference on a tippy because they are as tough as nails. HOWEVER, as prea said, a few more upgrades are required for optimal performance. it would be a better idea to just get a stabilizer if he doesn't plan on buying a new marker anytime soon. and yes, kotor kicks ***.

[strider98]

Everything that Itgir has said is true about compressed air. When I ran compressed air through my stock 98 custom internals I noticed a bit more kick than when using CO2, but all of the benefits of compressed air remained. And just FYI, CO2 is not "soot" in any form, but partially turns to a liquid at times in the tank. Compressed air is considered "clean" because it doesn't ever compress into a liquid inside the tank. Basically, if you have the money, going to compressed air would be a good idea particularly if you could afford the Low Pressure kit.

[XskullzX]

Are fields the only place you can fill them up at? I live 5 mins away from a field, but they dont have any buildings or nothing so I doubt they fill tanks. Its just a field with barrels, bunkers, and stuff. The next closest field is probably an hour away.

[strider98]

I'm guessing your asking about filling up compressed air tanks. You can fill them up at paintball shops, or fields(that have tanks, you just have to ask em), and technically even at Scuba shops(if you have any nearby).

[XskullzX]

I was looking at getting a HPA but I cant think of anywhere to fill them up at. You can fill your CO2 tanks everywhere.

[skiedge1]

What exactly does the LPK do for a-5's and 98c's? Will it increase efficiency or something. I've read that most HPA tanks are preset to 850psi output, but the LPK functions at 200-300psi, therefore needing a seperate regulator to decrease output pressure.

In short, how many shots would I get out of a stock a-5 using a 47/3000 tank, and would i get substantially more shots with the LPK?

PS: anyone else here belong to the Special Ops Brigade?

[paintballer279]

It will make it so tht you are able to install a LP regulator and get more efficency, consistency, and makes the gun operate smoother all around.

No, you do not need a regulator for a LP operation with a HP tank. It may have more kick, but you dont need it.

Out of a stock A-5 with a 47/3000, you will get roughly 400-450. With a LP kit and a regulator, you will be able to get up to 700 shots out of it.

[skiedge1]

Thanks for your quick reply!

Just a couple more questions about HPA:

1.) As you near the end of the tank, does the velocity start to drop off?

and

2.) To calculate how many fills you would get out of a scuba tank, can you just do the math (i.e. divide the volume of the on-gun tank into the volume of the scuba tank), or is there more to it. In other words, how many times can I fill my 47/3000 of off my dad's 90cf@3000psi

A million thanks for your eternal wisdom

[strider98]

Both CO2 and compressed air experience drop off. If you put the LPK on the gun then the drop off will be "less"(meaning more consistent velocity on the last few shots). Whereas with CO2 or striaght compressed air(w/ no reg or specialized powertube in the gun) the drop off will be slower(worse) with more fluctuation in shot velocity. But drop off will happen no matter what.
And, the amount of fills isn't a straight calculation of dividing volumes. When you fill your 47/3000 tank you remove 47ci from the scuba tank which reduces the volume of gas in the tank and causes a drop in pressure in the scuba tank. So you get significantly less fills than dividing volumes would tell you. Hope that helps.

[Squirrelking]

I just feel like putting my two cents in here: I have played a lot with CO2 and just a few times with HPA but I didn't feel a very noticeable "drop off" when I got to the end of my HPA tank.

This is not to say that there wasn't any, and I'm sure I'll notice it more as I get used to HPA, but it really wasn't as drastic as when I used to play with CO2.

I used to play with the dread of getting to the end of my CO2 tank, but now I feel a lot better and I feel like I'm getting more out my tank and the money I spend to fill it up.

Unless I'm forced to, I will never go back to CO2.