Rate of fire question

[skidds]

Ok, realisticaly what is the highest ROF a blowback can acheive? 20bps, 25bps? I know a blowback cant keep up with an electro-pneumatic, so I was wondering what a blowback could maintain.

[trophyman582]

I recall one BB hitting 55 cps, but it was highly upped, probably on the level of the BBUC project marker.

[proudballer72]

If you can get your hands on a boss bolt, high flowing valve, and lighter hammer, I guarantee it will shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger, and if you use full auto, there isn't a hopper that can outfeed it as of 1/7/06.

[Dunty]

The fasted fingers were recorded ar 23-24..The 50cps Spyder didn't have a guy reefing on the trigger, just pressed it once and went crazy..

There would be no point of 50bps..Not only would your hopper be out in under 5 seconds, it would be horrendously inaccurate, and there'd be no hopper who could consistently feed that..

[skidds]

I recall one BB hitting 55 cps, but it was highly upped, probably on the level of the BBUC project marker.

Thats almost unbelievable for a blowback! I was wondering if I should max out the mods on my Fenix or just buy an electro pneumatic. I've been looking at the ICD's what would you suggest?

[trophyman582]

Out of the ICD line, a B2k4 with PDS is an awesome value currently. I've seen some go as low as $150 in the BST forums. Definitely check into those.

[skidds]

Out of the ICD line, a B2k4 with PDS is an awesome value currently. I've seen some go as low as $150 in the BST forums. Definitely check into those.


I have seen them... I cant believe you can get that marker for like 200 and then there are $300 blowbacks...yeah ok....:rolleyes:

[proudballer72]

The $300 blowback is the BBUC project marker and that is pretty much as good as you are going to get for a blowback. Officially they don't actually sell them, but I bet you could contact IronCorps, my bro, or BigBadFish about it. I bet if you gave them a little bit of extra $$ they would do it.

Just to let you know, they can go slightly above $300 if you add the t-board's ultra chip.

[Dunty]

Eforce,get out of here..You think it help disguise you when you have your setup in your sig?

Anyways, on topic..A b2k w/ PDS for $100 cheaper than your project marker is a much better deal.


YOU WILL NOT GET UNBANNED.

[Sheps]

Ok, realisticaly what is the highest ROF a blowback can acheive? 20bps, 25bps? I know a blowback cant keep up with an electro-pneumatic, so I was wondering what a blowback could maintain.
around 40 cps, but blowbacks tend to develop a severe shudder at high ROF (I would know, I full-auto'ed my VL, it left my hand tingling and I could barely keep the trigger depressed at times); this makes EP's easier to get a high ROF with semi, F2F4 was able to get a max of 19 bps with his Spyder (it bounced a little though), and it was supposedly pretty good for a blowback.

[proudballer72]

Eforce,get out of here..You think it help disguise you when you have your setup in your sig?

My bro got a 2k5 eForce GTI. He gave me his 2k4 so I wasn't stuck with a freaking R6. A lot of the upgrades he had for his marker I liked so I ordered them as well. Of course, I went for the bigger air tank.

Oh, Dunty, FYI - This account was created at least a month before he was banned. Lopez17 authorized it.

[slaminator3323]

Realistically 15bps, maybe a few more.

[skidds]

Realistically 15bps, maybe a few more.

Ok... whats the diff between CPS and FPS... I know CPS is Cycles per second..... and FPS is feet per second.... ???

[trophyman582]

FPS is how fast you fire the balls from the gun. Basicly, the speed of a paintball.

[proudballer72]

Keep in mind that 15bps is coming from an Ion owner.

[slaminator3323]

And your point, I also own a blowback. Realistically 15bps stock maybe a few more more up'ed.

[proudballer72]

Okay after you say the word STOCK, 15bps is a more accurate description.

[slaminator3323]

Exactly and upped its not going to be too much more unless you spimmy it. Of course then it isn't blowback.

[proudballer72]

If you BBUC it I guarantee it will shoot faster than any currently available hopper can feed.

[slaminator3323]

Not with great velocity, since it uses 90% of the air to recock.

[proudballer72]

With such light internals and a high-flowing valve, that isn't very much air.

[slaminator3323]

I see your point, but most people will have a regulater dropping a pressure down to just the right amount of air needed to recock.

[proudballer72]

Let's just leave it at 'in the hands of somebody who knows what they are doing, a BBUC project marker has great potential' before a flame war erupts.

[IronCorps]

Not to bring back an old thread or anything, but i just thought i would comment on the fact that a flame war didnt erupt. WOW. Holy crap guys. This is a pbr first. Somebody brought up the bbuc and hordes of ion and bb owners didnt go to war. Amazing.:tup:

Well anyway, going out to eforce's bro and sheps, tuning a blowback is the hardest part when you are operating LP. Getting the reg, valve, and main spring to work in such a way to minimize valve dwell, minimize recocking pressure, and rof are all factors that must be exactly tweaked to get the maximum performace from the marker.

And as proudballer pointed out, we can construct and sell project markers with 1 year's worth of tech support. We just dont advertise that because we suspected not many people would be interested. And we try to inspire individual innovation.:)

Well yeah, no flame war. Good job yall.:D

[trophyman582]

Like when we had this discussion in the chat, we're all here to inform the thread maker of the pros/cons of our desired markers. Good to know people've learned to be mature here.

[skidds]

Like when we had this discussion in the chat, we're all here to inform the thread maker of the pros/cons of our desired markers. Good to know people've learned to be mature here.

Hey guys... I read the BBUC and now see how to get my Fenix upto 36bps.... tnx for the input everyone...So I guess a blowback can hang with electro-p's.... easily I see now.... now im going to mod up my fenix instead of buying a different marker.

[trophyman582]

It'd be cheaper to just get a new gat if you sell the Fenix, but good luck with whatever you do. Plus, your fingers'll never move fast enough to drum out 36 bps.

[IronCorps]

Yeah. Troph makes a point. Just be sure that's what you want to do. After doing my PG, i was very satisfied, and i get tons of wow's when people realize the spyder clone they are looking at has eyes.:pirate:

[Dunty]

If you are going to do something similar to the BBUC project marker(I won't say my views..) You shouldn't do it if you have a more expensive blow-back, only if you have something like an Imagine, maybe a GTI, or clone..Otherwise, you'll end up spending too much money.

[mr referee]

If you have the right marker and enough money to do it right but not enough to get a better marker anytime soon, go ahead. It would be kinda pointless to do it to my evo (even if I didn't have the $$ for an Ion, Wrath, or used Impy w/vision) because I have eyes and the board is good enough for my taste. It wouldn't hurt to have many more firing modes, but it's good enough. A lot of people fail to realize that it is possible to win a tourney without a $1000 gun, although it is a lot easier with a high-end. *dreams of his impy*

Just don't mess around if you don't know what you're doing. It is much safer choice for a newbie to just buy a better marker than to screw around with boards, internals, and piles of upgrades.

[equipmentcounts]

15-20bps



btw
Wased Halo/Reloader has droptest over 50 bps....

[Anchor76]

what does BBUC project mean :confused:

[skidds]

what does BBUC project mean :confused:

The BBUC is Blowbacks United Club. Go here and they tell you how to mod up your blowback to like 50bps...nice site!

http://www.*******s.com/blowbacksunited/

The Fenix isnt that expensive IMO...... not bragging but money is not an option when it comes to buying a marker, I work and have my own business, a small computer business.... im a cheap O... and wont spend 1K on a marker though!! HA! But a few hundred is nothing.....

[trophyman582]

Equipment - Drop tests are about as accurate as a PMI razzor barrel.

Skidds - A bb will hit 50 CPS, but BPS is another story. Thats just empty cycles with no paint.

[mr referee]

I'd say it can top out around 35-39bps. Maybe more, maybe less, depending on how well or poorly it is lubricated, the paint.

[IronCorps]

There are 4 big factors that go into a blowbacks speed. 1. Board, 2. Spring combos, 3.Reciprotating weight, and 4. power supply.

Get the right combo and enjoy your new gat. Get it wrong and prepare to do alot of matenance.

Trial and error. We of the Iron Corps managed to get one of our project markers up to 24-25bps before the qloader started to break paint. Another with a stock reloader b, we got up to 23 on a semi-long burst, and around 30bps on a 6rd burst.

Burst fire on blowbacks is one of the best aspects, especially if you do the suction mod. Makes for great snapshooting.

Longer sequences of firing are more limited sheerly to the hopper. Recoil on bb's is obviosly higher than on most ep's, so a good selection of spring tension and a lighter/ modded striker is a must.

Dry firing however, the sky's the limit. 50+cps shouldnt be a problem so long as you have the voltage to back it up.

[mr referee]

That's a nice way to put it. Got any vids? (Not challenging your statements, just want to see it in action)

[IronCorps]

I'm working on one. I have some good footage, but it's on film. I need to take it to a photo shop and get it converted to CD so i can upload it on putfile or something. Plus i need to get new eyes (mine snapped yesterday) and a few select other items, so when i can finish my vid, i'll let yall know.

[equipmentcounts]

Equipment - Drop tests are about as accurate as a PMI razzor barrel.

Skidds - A bb will hit 50 CPS, but BPS is another story. Thats just empty cycles with no paint.

it is not that drop test are inaccurate
it is there is a difference from droptest and loader on gun
if you minus 10 bps that is a rough estimate of the loadrers speed on a gun
so 40 bps ish

now if you factor in other upgraders such as a shocktech spinwheel(33 percent faster)
you can get 50ish bps...

now 40 bps loader would be a blender already....

[IronCorps]

It would take a huge sum of money to get 40bps out of a spyder. You'd need a madman valve, one heluva bolt, PERFECTLY tuned setup. My point is, it's possible, but expensive, and much trial and error would take place long before it would happen.

[f2f4]

I'm actually surprised.

The BBUC site actually tuned from an assfest to a really nice resource. Good job guys, it's nice to see it going strong! :tup:

Edited for grammar.

[A-5best]

To quote the wise words of Bob Long.

"Anybody can make a gun shoot fast; the trick is to get it to fire rapidly without chopping paint."

And thats why they cant shoot that fast, also no hopper could keep up and it would kick like a desert eagle.

[IronCorps]

:dodgy:

[proudballer72]

Even eff gave up on his pg blowback. lawl

Oh IronCorps piranhas are not spyder clones. If anything it's the reverse.

Your site is a useful resource though.

[IronCorps]

Yeah, fishies came first. Kingman simply bettered the design by introducing the slim striker and that little sideways pin that can hold the vavle in place.

[proudballer72]

If you know the truth why does it still say 'clone' in your sig?

[IronCorps]

Because the Icon series were all cloned off kingman markers.:jumping:

[IronCorps]

proudballer72
now shadow21 as i'm told.