#1 Amature team in the US???

[Blacksheep]

I would like to know what's the #1 amature team in the US currently. You see, there's this guy who is a self-proclaimed speedball player who said that one: Matrixes are the best gun out there and they out-shoot anything (but one of my friends has been able to unload a 200-round hopper on a 98C in literally 10.4 seconds, so why spend a lot on an electro?), and that he plays on the best Amature team in the US and plays on 2 different teams. I think it's BS.
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[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by Blacksheep
one of my friends has been able to unload a 200-round hopper on a 98C in literally 10.4 seconds, so why spend a lot on an electro

Yes, the fastest gun on the market, by far, is a tippman 98 custom. Forget the fact that there is no loader in existence that can feed at 20 balls per second, but hey, I believe you :rolleyes:

[Richy_C]

Twitch you dummy, can't take any thing in context. He meant you could vibrate it off in 10 secounds with a tippman. Duh. What were you thinking unload?

[Paint Bulley]

mabye the guy counted how long it took him to fire once....

and then multiplied it by 200.... :) :) :(

That would work wouldn't it :)

[Blacksheep]

Actually...

We were using a Revelation 9v, drilled neck for a faster feed. By the way, it's possible. I timed it on a stop watch. Let's mathmetically calculate this:

Say the balls will fall at 9m/s/s (acceleration) since there is air resistance, and there's a difference on 2 inches from hopper to where the ball is fired. Actually, it's be less since the balls gather in that space.

9m/1.1=8.2 feet
8.2 feet * 12= 98.4 inches

So, then your acceleration would be about 98 inches per second. That would mean, it would cover the distance from loader to the ball in... 0.02 seconds. That means that it's possible, on a vertical feed, to reach 50 bps if there are no jams. That is the rate of gravity. How can you confirm this? Simpyl becuase that is how fast the balls will need to be loaded on the Tippmann Hellhound to achieve a speed of 50 bps. That is, of course, assuming that there are no jams in the hopper (which there weren't). Remember, that is in a vertical feed.

There, when we deal with mirage, if it's moving at 10:30 instead of a full value you'd get from 9:00 or 3:00, you'd cut the value in half. So, since the hopper is about, say, 45 degrees, we'll give it a value of half, allowing it to feed at a rate of 25 bps. Then why do balls chop? Human error verses gravity, NOT that gravity cannot keep up. Even Bob Long Timmys have this feature to even out human error so balls don't chop.

Now, we'll say that a few people posses the ability to fire at a high rate of fire evenly. What are the chances that this friend of mine can accomplish 20 bps? Actually, it was 19 point something. If you don't believe that a gun can fire at such high rates of fire, take a look at mags: there's one with a reactive trigger that fires 20 bps. They wouldn't make a gun that can fire this fast if the balls couldn't load fast enough. The reason you can't fire fast enough if probably because you lack the coordination and reflexes to do so. Now, to give some background on my friend, he's played baseball for several years, his coordination is excellent as he can toss a ball up and catch it blindfolded, and his reflexes are fast enough to dodge paintballs going around 350 fps (don't ask) from about 20 feet away. I'm sure you won't believe me on this either.
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[h0p]

Originally posted by Blacksheep
Actually...

We were using a Revelation 9v, drilled neck for a faster feed.

Theres your problem. You were using a Revelation 9v. lol

[BlackMageHell]

I'd like to test the reflexes of your friend personally at that speed just to mock you :D

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by Blacksheep
Actually...

We were using a Revelation 9v, drilled neck for a faster feed. By the way, it's possible. I timed it on a stop watch. Let's mathmetically calculate this:

Say the balls will fall at 9m/s/s (acceleration) since there is air resistance, and there's a difference on 2 inches from hopper to where the ball is fired. Actually, it's be less since the balls gather in that space.

9m/1.1=8.2 feet
8.2 feet * 12= 98.4 inches

So, then your acceleration would be about 98 inches per second. That would mean, it would cover the distance from loader to the ball in... 0.02 seconds. That means that it's possible, on a vertical feed, to reach 50 bps if there are no jams. That is the rate of gravity. How can you confirm this? Simpyl becuase that is how fast the balls will need to be loaded on the Tippmann Hellhound to achieve a speed of 50 bps. That is, of course, assuming that there are no jams in the hopper (which there weren't). Remember, that is in a vertical feed.

There, when we deal with mirage, if it's moving at 10:30 instead of a full value you'd get from 9:00 or 3:00, you'd cut the value in half. So, since the hopper is about, say, 45 degrees, we'll give it a value of half, allowing it to feed at a rate of 25 bps. Then why do balls chop? Human error verses gravity, NOT that gravity cannot keep up. Even Bob Long Timmys have this feature to even out human error so balls don't chop.

Now, we'll say that a few people posses the ability to fire at a high rate of fire evenly. What are the chances that this friend of mine can accomplish 20 bps? Actually, it was 19 point something. If you don't believe that a gun can fire at such high rates of fire, take a look at mags: there's one with a reactive trigger that fires 20 bps. They wouldn't make a gun that can fire this fast if the balls couldn't load fast enough. The reason you can't fire fast enough if probably because you lack the coordination and reflexes to do so. Now, to give some background on my friend, he's played baseball for several years, his coordination is excellent as he can toss a ball up and catch it blindfolded, and his reflexes are fast enough to dodge paintballs going around 350 fps (don't ask) from about 20 feet away. I'm sure you won't believe me on this either.

I don't usually like to tell people they're wrong, but, NO, you're wrong. You can feed about 50 balls per second in a free fall, but since every ball has to stop and then accelerate again after each shot because of the bolt, your usable rate of fire, on a non force feed system is approximately 13 balls per second, assuming the bolt only blocks the feed neck for about a thousanth of a second, which is of course inacurate. To say that a 9 volt revolution feeds at 20 balls per second would lead me to believe that you should invest money into a watch that actually works properly

[BlackMageHell]

Twitch just said what i was gonna say :(
Now I found something else to say, man, you are the biggest bser in the world!!! (aside from some of my family)

[Spyder_Kid]

i think u started ur stop watch about 15 seconds late and didnt tell anyone oh well....this is some funny ****, i gotta stick this in my favorites for a bad day...lmao

[kr8er]

haha that was really. ummm... wrong ,

if you could feed 50 balls per second you could unload a 200 round hopper in 4 seconds... thats bs.

[FinnMcKool]

yeah twitch is right i don't think anyone can shoot that fast and if it was a e-98 its electronically lmited to way under that.

[Blacksheep]

I showed you the math, you can re-do it yourself if you'd like. And if feeders can't feed a 50 bps, how did the Hellhound do it? While yes, it is like 2 inches at the neck, it still is bound to the laws of gravity. And they did test the gun becuase it tore the shirt off of a dummy when they tested it. I saw the loader: it's just a normal hopper, nothing to it. It's just that it doesn't jam.

So then what limits how fast your balls can feed? Jams, the lawas of gravity, the speed you pull the trigger, and how fast the bolt on your gun can fire. Why would a Minimag be able to fire 20 bps if it weren't possible? It's equipped with an RT, but that won't help how fast the balls feed.

I'm sure you've gone over 20 at some point, you just don't notice it. Whenever I play speedball, I notice how many balls are laid down by one guy when he spots someone. He pust at least 100 shots by me in within a minute (flash ex[posure, show your head and pop it back behind cover to make someone waste paint). How do I know? I saw him open his hopped to reload and then, he reloaded again. Oh, by the way, I run track, so I know how to use a stopwatch just so you know.
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[kr8er]

i just figured out a way to feed fifty balls per second.. ok all you have to do is balance 200 paintballs on top of each other that way there is no stopping fire 50 balls per second.. pretty easy solution huh.. well anyways no blacksheep your totally wrong so get over it

[Blacksheep]

ElTwitcho...show me your math...

Okay, if a hopper can't feed at 20, explain this to me:

1) Tippmann Hellhound's fire at a rate of 50 bps and they have run full tests on it.

2) Airgun Designe Automag RT fires at a rate of 25 bps

3) I've said the approximate rate, since the balls had to go down at a slant, was 25 balls per second

Once again, I'll say that what limits the speed of your gun is your own rate of fire, gravity, and the speed your gun is capable of firing.

[VeNoM]

i dont think tippmans hellhound uses a hopper, but a force feed system. the RT mag can CYCLE at 26 bps, that doesnt mean that there is a loader than can feed it that fast and it can shoot paint that fast . . . and i am pretty sure that the rate of gravity limits the feed rate of gravity feed hoppers to about 13 bps . . .


ARE WE GONNA GET BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC???? (thanks twitch :rolleyes: ) hehe . . .

[anchorite]

Phoenix heat doesnt play nppl... they are number 1 team in pan am circut. (amature)
they would put up nicley against any nppl team I think.

[kr8er]

i agree with venom and so does everyone else in the world except blacksheep

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by Blacksheep
ElTwitcho...show me your math...

Okay, if a hopper can't feed at 20, explain this to me:

1) Tippmann Hellhound's fire at a rate of 50 bps and they have run full tests on it.

2) Airgun Designe Automag RT fires at a rate of 25 bps

3) I've said the approximate rate, since the balls had to go down at a slant, was 25 balls per second

Once again, I'll say that what limits the speed of your gun is your own rate of fire, gravity, and the speed your gun is capable of firing.

1) The hell hound has more than one gun.

2) The RT cycles 25 times a second. You would need a force feed to maximize that. (By the way, on the AGD website it says they can get a warp feed to feed 75bps, but again only in short bursts (hopper can't feed that fast) and that's without the bolt being closed or blocked by another ball and that is with a huge power supply and upgrades to make sure the paint doesn't break)

3) BS If every ball starts at rest (which they do because of the ball that feeds before them, and the bolt), they can get up to 13bps due to gravity alone. You would need a force feed of some type to go over 13 bps.

Fill your friend's hopper and time it again. I'll bet that he can't shoot it out in 10.4 seconds without at least a force feed and a full auto conversion.

[nlh]

Also, I think it'd be quite difficult to dodge paintballs traveling at 350fps from 20 feet away.

That's about a .06 second reaction time - rare that your fingers can do that on a stopwatch, but his entire body/nervous system can respond to it - not only respond to this speed, in time, but even respond quick enough to sight the paintballs, and then dodge them.

I do not believe that. :(

[MuckRaker]

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[Mr.Incredible]

i dont understand the gravity feeding at 13bps thing? is that with or without the ajitated hopper ?

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by Mr.Incredible
i dont understand the gravity feeding at 13bps thing? is that with or without the ajitated hopper ?

Either. A paintball starting at rest and traveling the distance of the diameter of the ball (the distance to load into the chamber) takes slightly less than 1/13th of a second to drop. So, you should be able to get about 13bps accounting for bolt time. Unless you have a force feed loader, in which case the ball would fall due to gravity, and be pushed, decreasing the amount of time needed.

[Mr.Incredible]

so then would it be able to say...fire 13bps without the use of a ajitated hopper?

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by Mr.Incredible
so then would it be able to say...fire 13bps without the use of a ajitated hopper?

That is correct. You'd be able to fire the 5-7 balls loaded in your feed tube at 13 balls per second. It's when the hopper jams (as it always does) that you would have a problem after those 5-7 balls

[Richy_C]

You could be like me, and forget to put your bolt in, then you could spray them to death. :)

[FinnMcKool]

m98's bolts don't move fast enough to let 25 bps go anyway it would hella chop