Still breaking paint.. help please

[rocko918]

OK here is my set up:
sn in the 9000's, no vision,
co2 with remote, Delrin bolt, blade trigger, stock barrel.. Nothing out of the ordinary.

Here's my problem. I can not go through a game without breaking paint. Sometimes it breaks on the way out of the barrel. Sometimes it breaks in the breach. I have tried alot of different paint. blaze, inferno's, JT, team colors, marbs, polar ice... all have the same problem. So i don't think it is the paint.
I have a crono so i have set up the gun correctly. Set the pressure at 180, then adjust the dwell to be shooting around 280. this weekend i was shooting 265. Still breaking paint. One game i had to clean the barrel 5 times.

I was wondering if maybe the ball dent might be too tight and the ball is not sitting correctly. Can i squeeze the spring alittle? Any other suggestions. Could the barrel not be sitting in the gun flush?

Thanks for reading my long post, hopefully i described it well enough for someone to help.

thanks again

[wolverine]

OK, this does not sound like an easy one....

Lets check for any physical problems:

~ Feel the bolt face, any sharp edges?
~ Look down the inside of the body (with the barrel off), is the feed tube in too far?
~ Remove and clean the ball detents. Yes you can push them in a little to clean them...they are spring loaded. Do not over tighten them when you put them back in.
~ Have you adjusted your ROF ?? If so, lower it a little.
~ What kind of loader are you using? Fresh batteries? if it's a 12v, have you considered a Turbo board for it?

I will check back in a couple hours to see where to go next with this.

[rocko918]

OK

I will check the bolt for sharp edges. I have never touched or turned the feed tube, but i will check to make sure it is not down too far.
I have taken the ball dents out many times because when a ball breaks in the breach it makes a mess. Paint is always in them. When i do put them back in a usally tighent them down. I will back them out a little so they arte not tight. When the ball falls down it should sit in the breach in the middle. I have notcie it sometimes it is not all the way down or sitting off centered. I have only one screw with a spring in it right. I think it is the left side that has a spring in the ball dent

I have never touched the ROF. If i do adjust it which way should i turn it. Which way turns it down.

I have a 12v revy. I have thought of getting the new board but i don't think that will stop it from breaking paint.



thanks so much.

[Killer Kat]

Wolvy, see where he's from? Rocko are you playing outdoors? Please keep in mind if you're playing indoors, you can stop reading right now.
Cold weather and paint don't always get along good. So if you are playing outside(and Maryland isn't exactly in the mid summer right now) I'd look at that as a "could be". What's the conditions like?

[Knowledge]

Yeah, it's pretty cold here in MD alright. I was having that problem a few weeks ago from the cold.

[rocko918]

This weekend it was in the 35 40 degress. But i was having this problem for at leasts 2 months. So it was in the 50's and 60's the last month. I also have been using polar ice which is a thicker shell.

[johnnyrotten]

Its the dampness in the air, your .689 barrel is probably too small when the balls collect the humidity, I have seen balls swell up to being tight in a .694 in less than an hour outside, try getting a freak or keep your balls dry:crazy:

[rocko918]

Well, if it is cool out why does the ball swell? It had not rained nor was it going to rain that day so i can't image there was moisture in the air. I keep my paintball in the house. Plus the ball aren't snug in the barrel. They all roll right through. One of my buddies plays with an Impulse also and is not having the same problem. Just me.

[johnnyrotten]

The only thing I can think of is you are firing too fast or your hopper isnt working right. It doesnt have to rain to have moisture or humidity in the air, there is snow on the ground, thats moisture. Does your buddy have a Vision Imp?

[rocko918]

OK I went home and tried a few things.

I added a VFF.
loosed the ball dents a little.
Checked the bolt. Seem fine, no sharp edges.


johnnyrotten
you said that maybe i am shooting to fast or maybe it is my hopper. As of right now i can out shoot my hopper. I get blanks if i try to pull really fast. Maybe my hopper is not keeping up.

There was no snow on the ground either.


someone mention the ROF. How do i adjust that on the board? Which way do i turn it.

[Killer Kat]

I'm big on if it ain't broke don't fix it, So I'll be the first to tell ya I've never messed with mine (rof pot) There is a chance that the ROF pot was set from the factory at a high setting. If you look at the top of you board you will see a pot labeled SEMI. This is your ROF pot. You need to reset the ROF" So what you'll need to do is Take a small screw driver and turn the pot clockwise til the orange light goes on and then back it off (turn it counter-clockwise until the green light came on, and then goes off, it then needs to be turned just alittle more after that (about an additional 10 degrees)
When someone wants to increase their R.O.F. (why? I can't tell ya!) they would turn the pot clockwise til the orange light goes on and then back it off (turn it counter-clockwise until the green light came on, if it stays green, they need to turn it alittle more.

Just some more after thoughts,

You did say that you are using a 12v Revy, right?

Could your trigger be just alittle out of adjustment too?

[rocko918]

I am not to kean on messing with the ROF either. I sure it was factory set. BUt i may have too if all else fails.

I do have a 12v revy. It is about 3 to 4 months old. Pretty new.

How would you say the trigger would be out of adjustment? Too sensitive? Too fast?

Thanks for all the help!!!!


Ps. my buddie has an older Impulse, the one with the laser engraving. So he had no vision and he had not had any problems in the colder weather.

[johnnyrotten]

Ok put new batteries in your hopper, Still chopping? If you like the way your shooting, buy a Halo, I hate to tell you this, but you are either fanning the trigger or your just too fast for a revy. Do you play front or back? If you play Back get the Halo and see if that helps, If you play front definately go for the Vision upgrade. I play Back and have the Vision and soon as FOM gets the Smart Parts Halo's ones going on my Rat

[rocko918]

I have just bought a x board for my hopper. I will see how that does. I play front. I am not ready to through down the money for vision right now. SO i may result in turning down my ROF.

Someone mention to me over email that maybe my hopper was too far down in the gun. He suggested that i pull up the hopper alittle bit. Has anyone heard anything like this?

thanks for the help

[Killer Kat]

It's nice if you can stack a few balls on top of one another in the feed tube. I don't know if that's what they're talking about?

[rocko918]

I don't understand what you are asking me KK? He just said to lift up the hopper so it is not all the way down in the feed tube. This way the balls would sit in better.

here is the email:

"try backing your 12V out about a 1/2 inch or so. Sometimes the feedtube path length is off just a little and will chop paint. You problem sounds like it is breaking (or getting nicked in the breach. Is the problem better ir worse?"

[Killer Kat]

What I meant was putting balls on top of one another before the drop in front of the bolt. The more feed tube ya have the more balls you can stack. Here is a very rough example, please excuse my art work! ;)

[DaCuban1]

Bleh, I get what you're friend is trying to say. The impulses feed tube is high enough. Personally, it's a bit too high for my taste. Enough balls should be getting stacked, if the hopper is working correctly. Your friend thinks the balls are getting pinched by not getting chambered fast enough. As someone else said, it seems like you might be shooting a bit too fast.

[rocko918]

Thanks for all the great info. I will try the X board to see if that helps. Or just slow down my happy trigger finger. I guess i could back out the trigger screw so it is not so senitive.

[johnnyrotten]

If you havent bought the x-board yet, DONT, get the W.A.S. Turbo board instead, The X-board only removes the 1 second delay the old stayle has, Turbo actually increases feed rate and gets rid of the 1 sec delay

[rocko918]

Who' s got the W.A.S. Board? Which site?

[Impy4335]

Wicked Air Sportz has the WAS board. I forget the site name, but just go to a search engine and enter: Wicked Air Sports Turborev. And 'Rotten, Its not always an option to get the WAS board. My board tray broke, so I needed the entire new board for it. B.E. wouldnt sell me a tray.

[cardbordwarrior]

i thought co2 with a remote like disbaled the anti siphon/?????

[FOM]

Breaking paint on an Impulse often falls in a few areas.

First, i see that you have a blade trigger. The very first thing I would recomend is adjusting the trigger to get MORE pre travel. The Impulse trigger will "bounce" when it is too tight and this will almost always cause ball brakage.

Second-- I highly recomend you adjust the ROF. Every one thinks that reducing the ROF will slow them down. Fact is, in most cases the ONLY thing it will effect is trigger bounce. Give that pot almost a 1/4 turn counter clockwise. test the trigger as fast as you can pull it. if you pull and the gun dosn't fire some times, then turn the Semi pot back slighty.

Third-- chack your ball detents. make sure the travel and roll freely! I see a GREAT DEAL of braking paint problems traced to the ball detents!

Forth-- I'm assuming you would only be trying this if all of the above failed. Remove your hammer assembly. find an o-ring that is about the diamater of the hammer. Now slip that o-ring over the hammer assemble until it is at the very back- at the end of the threads. reinstall the hammer assemble--the o-ring will hold it from going all the way in. the end result is you will have Slightly more room for paint to feed.

Hopw this helps

FOM

[rocko918]

Thanks for the advice FOM. The pre travel is the set screww that hits the trigger frame right?

[rocko918]

I did 2 things.

I got an x board, it was much cheaper than the W.A.S. board. Which looks like they are have a few problems with. So i just picked up the X.

Then i gave myself more pre-travel. one full turn on the set screw.

Shot 100 ball with-out any breaks. Then dropped in another 150 and really got on it. Had one break at the end and miss fired once also.

So i would like to thank everyone for all their help. I will have to test it out on the field for the real test. Thanks Again.