Occasional Player needin' help on New Marker

[QuiGonKen]

Alright heres the situation:
i dont go pbin' often, probably less than 4 times a year if lucky and i bought a pretty cheap paintball marker set (tank, hopper..etc incl.) so it would be cheaper whenever i went on field but i decided that i want to go more often, especially since i discovered that there is a pb indoor field relatively close to where i live (scarborough) which is a lot cheaper than the ones ive been going to. Anyways i want to get a new quality marker but i dont want to spend a lot of cash, at least not yet. i have few options:

MARKER CAD* / USD
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the Tippmann 98 Custom: $206.98 / $179.61
the PMI Piranha R6: $115 / $99.79
the Viewloader Orion: $195.50 / $169.64
Kingman: Spyder Victor: $115 / $99.79
JT: Tac5 (stealth black): $138 / $120
Kingman: Spyder MR1: $172 / $150
the PMI Piranha GTI $150 /$131

(*Canadian GST(8%) and PST (7%) added)

these are the few Markers available to me in my price range which as you can see is up to $210 CAD, a few of my preferences are looks (or the ability to upgrade to look better), durability, dependability, ease of use/ maintain, and obviously again price..
so if anyone can help me it would be great ....which of these would be the best to buy?

Any and All Help would be greatly appreciated,
Thanks!

[skidds]

Get the Spyder Imagine...new $108 or Refurbished $64..... Cant beat that for a new Electroinic marker....go here....

http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=XZ-nYTbBXUOnWnUs8MtnyTwI4jDeaNt6q6I=?CategoryName=pai ntball-paintball-guns-kingman-paintball-guns-kingman-electronic-spyders

Gotta keep checking...they go in stock and out of stock.....

[trophyman582]

SKidds, he's talkin' Canadian money. But, like Skidds also said, look into the Imagine. I doubt they have refurbs up there, but for $108 USD, it should be well in your price range.

[skidds]

SKidds, he's talkin' Canadian money. But, like Skidds also said, look into the Imagine. I doubt they have refurbs up there, but for $108 USD, it should be well in your price range.
He does have both US and Canadian dollars listed :) Thats why I just listed the US dollars. Or even try Ebay. If can trust those people....I got burned on the last 2 transactions.... Liars and scammers on ebay!!!!!

[Nexxus]

Pirhana R6. This is probably the best beginner gun. I would not spend over $100 on a marker, if you only go 4 times a year. Might want to look into the R6 E-Force. I think they are $85USD. Buy a new barrel(Dye Excel is good choice) and you will be set. My friend had one as his first marker, and wow. He was nailing impy's, angels, and autocockers on speedball.


http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/EasyAskSearch-Start;sid=kTgO4KWN9YsO2eZjjbjOSK9ZNHi7PHzH2XA=?sea rchType=USERSEARCH&searchTerm=pirahna+R6

[belvins]

Pirhana R6. This is probably the best beginner gun. I would not spend over $100 on a marker, if you only go 4 times a year. Might want to look into the R6 E-Force. I think they are $85USD. Buy a new barrel(Dye Excel is good choice) and you will be set. My friend had one as his first marker, and wow. He was nailing impy's, angels, and autocockers on speedball.


http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/EasyAskSearch-Start;sid=kTgO4KWN9YsO2eZjjbjOSK9ZNHi7PHzH2XA=?sea rchType=USERSEARCH&searchTerm=pirahna+R6
R6=peice of crap Imagine=peice of crap
You sound like a guy that doesn't wanna switch guns to much so I'd go with a 98 custom. You can get one about 100$ on ebay. It will never break (probably) and is the most durable gun out there.

[gage713]

imagine=electric 98@that price=mech imagine>98 thank you come again

[QuiGonKen]

i was kinda thinkin bout the Kingman: Spyder MR1: $172 / $150- b/c of its looks, whaddya think?

[skidds]

i was kinda thinkin bout the Kingman: Spyder MR1: $172 / $150- b/c of its looks, whaddya think?

Its good if your into the scenario type marker...well then you can get a tipman 98 and do it up..... if you want togo that route.... that would be funny to see a MR1 in a speedball match! :P

[Anchor76]

i was kinda thinkin bout the Kingman: Spyder MR1: $172 / $150- b/c of its looks, whaddya think?


in that case get the MR2 your going to wanth an electronic frame sooner or later like i did, just spend the little $$$ and get the MR2 if u think the MR1 is cool.

[iliveforthis99]

imagine or vexor eye for both speedball and woods.

[QuiGonKen]

Its good if your into the scenario type marker...well then you can get a tipman 98 and do it up..... if you want togo that route.... that would be funny to see a MR1 in a speedball match! :P why would that be funny? lol im a pretty big noob..so yea..

[QuiGonKen]

in that case get the MR2 your going to wanth an electronic frame sooner or later like i did, just spend the little $$$ and get the MR2 if u think the MR1 is cool.

the MR2 is about $120 more than the MR1 around here..thas a lil more than 'a Little $$$' for me...is the an electronic frame a big diff for an occasional player like me?

[Dunty]

R6=peice of crap Imagine=peice of crap
You sound like a guy that doesn't wanna switch guns to much so I'd go with a 98 custom. You can get one about 100$ on ebay. It will never break (probably) and is the most durable gun out there.

Most problems with a Spyder are quite easily fixed..I would personally rather performance than duarbility..Until you can actually prove that the R6 and Imagine are pieces of crap compared to your A-5, I suggest you sit down and shut up.

[Nexxus]

Most problems with a Spyder are quite easily fixed..I would personally rather performance than duarbility..Until you can actually prove that the R6 and Imagine are pieces of crap compared to your A-5, I suggest you sit down and shut up.

Thank you.

[belvins]

Most problems with a Spyder are quite easily fixed..I would personally rather performance than duarbility..Until you can actually prove that the R6 and Imagine are pieces of crap compared to your A-5, I suggest you sit down and shut up.
Even if you like performance over durability, this guy probably doesn't. He plays not very often and doesn't have time to buy the infinite amount of upgrades you will need for the imagine to shoot and not break. I do not know one person including a lot of people that have had an imagine last for more than 8 months. And no it was not user error, because these people are very experienced. Then, you say, "Until you can actually prove that the R6 or Imagine are pieces of crap compared to your A-5, I suggest you sit down and shut up." I don't even know where to start on this. That is why people get tippmanns. For good performance with no electric, and Incredible durability. So, instead of sitting at the computer all day telling everyone why a tippmann is more durable than a spyder, why don't you think about your post and how you are comparing an R6 and Imagine to an A-5 durabilitywise.:eyes:

[crazyjamie11]

Dunty u r so stupid
R6s suck
Imagines suck
A-5s rock

[Someshta]

It pains me that I share a year with these people. :o

The A-5 is built like a tank and relatively easy to take apart. That said it is horribly overpriced and that will forever prevent it from ever being a marker I would consider for myself or anyone else. I love Tippmanns but they're more expensive then they should be.

Really the guns you should be looking at are a spyder imagine or a vexor eye. If you really don't want an electric then you have a couple of choices. If you can afford a HPA tank (50-60 for a small steel tank) than I would tell you to go find yourself a classic automag. If you don't have the money to spare for HPA then you should save.

Really that's all there is to it. Low end mechs like the numerous spider clones and Tippmanns just aren't worth the money. The money you'll save not buying and putting a few upgrades on that low end mech will be the difference between a Halo and an Egg. Or the difference between a 68/45 tank and a 47/3000 tank. A barrel kit or your run of the mill $30-$40 barrel.

[Nexxus]

Automag? What the hell. The kid plays paintball 4 times a year, or tries too. Tippmann's are VERY durable. I think he just needs a cheap and durable semi-automatic. Half of you guys, if not all of you, have ever shot a Pirahna R6. Easy to maintain, sturdy, and will never go down. I am currently playing with one because my main marker broke down on me. I pulled out the R6 without having putting a paintball or a burst of air into, and it performed amazingly well. For $70 bucks, you can't go wrong. You even have money leftover to buy a Co2 tank, mask, and maybe a barrel.

[TheE]

the Viewloader Orion: $195.50 / $169.64
WHOA! Who's selling an Orion for over $60 USD?!? But I say go with like a mech Spyder such as the Rodeo or Xtra.

[Someshta]

Automag? What the hell.

Yes, they're more dependable than even a Tippmann, can be found for around $100 and are just higher quality then the other choices. Plus if QuiGonKen wants to get rid of his automag he can sell it for damn near the same price he bought it for. The only issue is that you'd better be running HPA through them.

Also if you would read the original post he said he wants to start playing more.

You even have money leftover to buy a Co2 tank, mask, and maybe a barrel.

Granted he would have about 30-40 more to spend on upgrades but that really isn't a whole lot. You could get a pair of tanks, a decent mask, or a barrel. Whereas with an mag he would end up spending more but it would be worth it since he wouldn't be wasting time collecting CO2 tanks and second rate barrels.

[belvins]

Automag? What the hell. The kid plays paintball 4 times a year, or tries too. Tippmann's are VERY durable. I think he just needs a cheap and durable semi-automatic. Half of you guys, if not all of you, have ever shot a Pirahna R6. Easy to maintain, sturdy, and will never go down. I am currently playing with one because my main marker broke down on me. I pulled out the R6 without having putting a paintball or a burst of air into, and it performed amazingly well. For $70 bucks, you can't go wrong. You even have money leftover to buy a Co2 tank, mask, and maybe a barrel.
Yeah what is up with the automag? The guy plays 4 times a year! Then your talkin about a halo b? Thats like giving a first time driver a lamborughini. Then you talk about getting HPA? Man the guy hardly ever plays!

[Someshta]

Again, read the original post. He wants to start playing more. Why should he settle for gear he'll wind up selling for half of what he bought it for? Why buy a Halo you ask? Maybe so you never have to buy a new hopper unless you smash the Halo off of a cement floor? And I fail to see how HPA has any relevance to how often he plays.

I guess I just fail to understand why you want this kid to waste his time and money in a second rate setup when there are much better options. Hell for the price range he has given I'd almost tell him to go look for an older bushy with everything he needs. There is no reason for someone moving up from rental equipment to buy rental quality equipment.

[JaredBorne]

I'd say a classic automag also. They will outlast every other marker on this forum. Just add some oil to the asa and go go go.

I had 2 for sale a while back. I actually have one that my cousin bought from me. He is wanting $150 for it I believe.

[Nexxus]

Buying a Halo would equal an R6 with a co2 tank. Plus the automag(?!?!?!). The kid TRIES to play 4 times. This suggest he is lucky to play 4. He doesn't need anything that good.

[IronCorps]

i was kinda thinkin bout the Kingman: Spyder MR1: $172 / $150- b/c of its looks, whaddya think?


Kingman is never, ever, ever, ever, ever EVER before tippmann!!!:pissed:

Automags are too expensive for a casual player, and require air. Fishies and imagines are the best low-cost electronic options, but a tippmann marker, like those from BT, would be your best long-term investment and value.

[Dunty]

Dunty u r so stupid
R6s suck
Imagines suck
A-5s rock


Explain why..You have no idea why.. Your post just wasted PBR's space..Jerk, :dodgy:

Even if you like performance over durability, this guy probably doesn't.
Yes, duaribility is good, but, he would probably want to have some fun, too..(Not saying Tippmanns are related to unfunness) I say Victor II, They're pretty reliable for what he wants, and it's cheaper than a Tippmann..

He plays not very often and doesn't have time to buy the infinite amount of upgrades you will need for the imagine to shoot and not break.
Are you dumb? Seriously...Imagines fire fine out of the box, and mine hasn't had a problem..You do not need "infinite upgrades" to not break..If this is what you believe, explain what it needs to be up to your A-5's standards..

I do not know one person including a lot of people that have had an imagine last for more than 8 months. And no it was not user error, because these people are very experienced. Then, you say, "Until you can actually prove that the R6 or Imagine are pieces of crap compared to your A-5, I suggest you sit down and shut up."
What problems have your friends had? I would bet you that either they are idiots or they could have gotten themselves or a ref to fix it on the spot.
I don't even know where to start on this. That is why people get tippmanns. For good performance with no electric, and Incredible durability. So, instead of sitting at the computer all day telling everyone why a tippmann is more durable than a spyder, why don't you think about your post and how you are comparing an R6 and Imagine to an A-5 durabilitywise.
Are you illiterate?! I never said anything about either an R-6 or an A-5 being less duarble..



Well...Let's see...$271 A-5, and $64 Imagine.. That's a difference of $207, so let's spend that on upgrades..

T-board w/eyes-$60
J&J Ceramic-$30
Reg-$60
Feedneck-$15
That leaves me with about $40..I'll spend that on a Reloader.

That is a reliable marker..Those Aftermarket parts won't break down very much at all...I personally think that's a better marker..And I'm sure that Ironcorps could use $207 and make a project marker.

[belvins]

Originally Posted by Belvins
Even if you like performance over durability, this guy probably doesn't.
Yes, duaribility is good, but, he would probably want to have some fun, too..(Not saying Tippmanns are related to unfunness) I say Victor II, They're pretty reliable for what he wants, and it's cheaper than a Tippmann..You're talking based on what you would want...and you just mentioned almost the second crappiest spyder...I also notice that you're not saying imagine anymore. Why?

He plays not very often and doesn't have time to buy the infinite amount of upgrades you will need for the imagine to shoot and not break.
Are you dumb? Seriously...Imagines fire fine out of the box, and mine hasn't had a problem..You do not need "infinite upgrades" to not break..If this is what you believe, explain what it needs to be up to your A-5's standards..You say below that you never compare an imagine and an A-5 durabilitywise. This is what I'm talking about. I guess you don't exactly know what your saying....

I do not know one person including a lot of people that have had an imagine last for more than 8 months. And no it was not user error, because These people are very experienced. Then, you say, "Until you can actually prove that the R6 or Imagine are pieces of crap compared to your A-5, I suggest you sit down and shut up."
What problems have your friends had? I would bet you that either they are idiots or they could have gotten themselves or a ref to fix it on the spot. I guess you didn't read the whole thing. They know probably more than a ref.
I don't even know where to start on this. That is why people get tippmanns. For good performance with no electric, and Incredible durability. So, instead of sitting at the computer all day telling everyone why a tippmann is more durable than a spyder, why don't you think about your post and how you are comparing an R6 and Imagine to an A-5 durabilitywise.
Are you illiterate?! I never said anything about either an R-6 or an A-5 being less duarble..Like I said, yes you did, just in another form of words.

So, stop telling this guy to get a victor II or an imagine or R-6 that will break within months.

[splatmania]

vexor eye 140.00 at walmart.com

[Sheps]

Guys... He's canadian, that majorly cuts down his options.

And he's trying to move up in the world, so why are you reccomending he buy a beginner marker? He should be looking into at least a low-end electro.

Heres what I'm thinking:

1. Automag - works woods or indoors, will outlast everything else, can be had for $150

2. Spyder Imagine/PMI GTI E-force - decently fast, will last if taken care of, ~ $190

- The Pirahna is actually a little bit faster shooting, and so is marginally better

3. Bushmaster - Discontinued gun, can be had for $230 (BKO) - $340 (B2K /w PDS) and is faster than everything else suggested

http://www.canadianpaintball.com/main/markers/icd.htm

4. Everything else

[splatmania]

if you want a high end get an ion... people may tell you it sucks but ask them why and they have no answer ... have you ever thought about getting an e-bolt for your 98c and making it electro Punic

[Dunty]

Originally Posted by Belvins
Even if you like performance over durability, this guy probably doesn't.
Yes, duaribility is good, but, he would probably want to have some fun, too..(Not saying Tippmanns are related to unfunness) I say Victor II, They're pretty reliable for what he wants, and it's cheaper than a Tippmann..You're talking based on what you would want...and you just mentioned almost the second crappiest spyder...I also notice that you're not saying imagine anymore. Why?

He plays not very often and doesn't have time to buy the infinite amount of upgrades you will need for the imagine to shoot and not break.
Are you dumb? Seriously...Imagines fire fine out of the box, and mine hasn't had a problem..You do not need "infinite upgrades" to not break..If this is what you believe, explain what it needs to be up to your A-5's standards..You say below that you never compare an imagine and an A-5 durabilitywise. This is what I'm talking about. I guess you don't exactly know what your saying....


I do not know one person including a lot of people that have had an imagine last for more than 8 months. And no it was not user error, because These people are very experienced. Then, you say, "Until you can actually prove that the R6 or Imagine are pieces of crap compared to your A-5, I suggest you sit down and shut up."
What problems have your friends had? I would bet you that either they are idiots or they could have gotten themselves or a ref to fix it on the spot. I guess you didn't read the whole thing. They know probably more than a ref.
I don't even know where to start on this. That is why people get tippmanns. For good performance with no electric, and Incredible durability. So, instead of sitting at the computer all day telling everyone why a tippmann is more durable than a spyder, why don't you think about your post and how you are comparing an R6 and Imagine to an A-5 durabilitywise.
Are you illiterate?! I never said anything about either an R-6 or an A-5 being less duarble..Like I said, yes you did, just in another form of words.
[/I]
So, stop telling this guy to get a victor II or an imagine or R-6 that will break within months.



Wow, I didn't say Imagine..The victor II is more in the class of a Tippmann(Low end Mech) You don't seem to know how a Victor II or Imagine is unreliable..The electronics in some are not the greatest..But that is because too many people just ruin them by not taking care of them...The difference is that you do not have to do anything to a tippmann..But, in a Spyder, you would have to clean it out and lube it up..Well, guess what, any marker over $300 you have to do the same thing...You are acting like a typical person who says "Once you get electronics, there goes your reliability" .. You are sterotyping a large brand of markers...They do not break in months..Do you think so many people would buy Imagines if they broke in months? Do you think many respectable members recommend them because they suck? No..

[splatmania]

any gun can be reliable if you take care of it a stock spyder can last just as long as any tippmann if taken care of properly

[belvins]

Wow, I didn't say Imagine..The victor II is more in the class of a Tippmann(Low end Mech) You don't seem to know how a Victor II or Imagine is unreliable..The electronics in some are not the greatest..But that is because too many people just ruin them by not taking care of them...The difference is that you do not have to do anything to a tippmann..But, in a Spyder, you would have to clean it out and lube it up..Well, guess what, any marker over $300 you have to do the same thing...You are acting like a typical person who says "Once you get electronics, there goes your reliability" .. You are sterotyping a large brand of markers...They do not break in months..Do you think so many people would buy Imagines if they broke in months? Do you think many respectable members recommend them because they suck? No..
Yeah thats because half the people on this site don't even know what there talking about. I'm starting to think half the people on this site don't even play paintball.......

[Someshta]

Yeah thats because half the people on this site don't even know what there talking about. I'm starting to think half the people on this site don't even play paintball.......

Don't be jealous that some of us don't poor money into guns that aren't worth the effort. If you take so much offense at people taking care of their markers and not leaning on it's durability like a crutch then I'd advise you to stop reading/posting. Much less offense to you that way I'd think.

Also, don't use durability/ease of maintence as an argument when there are automags in the mix. Just in case you do stick around to enlighten us that is.

So to the original poster.

Automag if you don't want to get an electronic marker. If you want an electric marker get either a imagine if you like to upgrade stuff, or a vexor eye if you like your marker to come with stuff stock.

[Dunty]

Yeah thats because half the people on this site don't even know what there talking about. I'm starting to think half the people on this site don't even play paintball.......

So you're comparing yourself to members like Clown_13_2001 and f2f4? Sorry, but you don't compare to them, at all...

[belvins]

First of all, I don't understand what you're getting at with f2f4 and clown. Listen, I could say so many hurtful things to you based on what you do on this site, but I'm actually being mature, unlike you.

[Dunty]

Clown and Eff have recommended the Imagine in the past..And clown has a lot.

Say these "Hurtful things" to me..I would like to see you explain why the Imagine/Spyders/Piranhas are pieces of crap..

[Stan the HitMan]

Okay here is my take on things:

The r6 is a good beginner gun, mech spyders as the well. They are good begener markers and need minimal maintenence ( a clean after every 2 or so uses and some oil, and new oring when they blow or crack) they will chop paint on occasion, which will call for some more cleaning especially especially on co2. But in the end it is a small dedication to maintain these markers.

the Electro's such as E-Piranhas, imagine, and vexer eye will be great and nice markers to use, but for someone who plays four times a year does not need an electro like an imagine, electro maintenance is another thing onto itself you need not be worrying about at your level of play.

Tippmanns (used will be cheaper and work just as well) are ideal for the no maintenance approach. you maybe have to oil it once a year (more often then that is recommended but tippmanns dont go dry like spyders and spyder clones) and replace broken orings. The 98's are known to chop paint once in a blue moon under 10 bps and the cyclone on the a5 makes chances of this even less likely even at higher rates of fire but at an extra cost and loss of efficiency. Also Tippmanns have a very good valve that takes liquid co2 in and chews it up and spits it out.

Mags- Mags take the best of both worlds and mash them together in a high performance marker, but they can get pricey, and most people dont have a feel for them, but they have become rare now and will turn heads at felts.

I suggest trying all markers out first, but if you are unable to do this I would say the safest thing to buy and not regret would be a cheap used 98 for under 100.

[slaminator3323]

Also tippmann just came out with an anti-chop bolt which looks much more promising that kingmans.

[Dunty]

I personally don't like the idea of AC bolts..I mean, you might as well get a t-board w/eyes and then a Delrin bolt..Maybe more expensive, but much, much more effective. I vote Victor II or 98..Because, I have never seen a Victor II go down, and if one ever does, blowbacks are pretty simple.. I think a Spyder would be a good idea, because, if he caught onto the sport he might want a better marker, and any high end marker will need maintenence.

[splatmania]

every gun needs maintenance... and any gun will last just as long as the next if it is taken care of.