Nerve vs. Shocker

[RobRocket32]

this is a hard question. I currently have an ION and i am wondering if I would be better off getting the Nerve or Shocker. More people have Shockers over the Nerves but in some ways the Nerve would seem to be better. and Im talking about the ones with vision. so if anyone can please help me with these questions that would be nice! thank you.

[equipmentcounts]

stock nerve>stock shocker
fully upped shockr >full upped nerve

[Hekrill]

i would buy the shocker, then get a barrel of your choice.

[Nexxus]

Shocker with an EQ bolt.

[dynastyofchaos]

Personally I think the nerve is better than the shocker. The Nerve doesn't have as many upgrades. although it requires less maintence, is mostly already upgraded, and comes stock with ramping capabilities. Then the bps is higher stock. so put a virtue in either of them and the Nerve would most likly come out with a higher bps. Then there is the fact that nerve's are now running for $475. That just tips the tide even more in favor of the Nerve. Although preference should have a huge part in your final decision too. Do you like small and light with a big price tag ,or average size high rate of fire, and average weight, for low price tag.

[Shadow21]

Shocker, FTW. :tup:

Look at reviews...

[equipmentcounts]

Shocker with an EQ bolt.
Eq bolt?

The only matience difference in a shocekr and a nerve is th enerve bolt is easier to take out
you still have th esame solniod/stock reg to clean

hands down nerve is better for the money

But in the long run a shocker is going to be better than a nerve
Nerve efficany is 1200
HE bolt shocker is at least 1400

Btw nerve bps is teh same as a shocker bps stock
both of them come with teh 20 bps capped nerve board

I can get my shocker to cycle 35 cps that is plenty fast for anyone
Even if the nerve is faster, When are you going to use that?

[dynastyofchaos]

:pissed: Ur obviously very stupid. The stock nerve is capped at +25bps. The shocker is +20bps. As for efficiency the nerve is way more efficient than a shocker and if you wanna argue about that come to Cross fire Creek and we will prove it 2 u. As for firepower the shocker can cycle that fast, but the nerve can actually shoot that fast after a few ungrades like a board for uncapped fire, the same thing u would need for a shocker.

[slaminator3323]

Shockers can shoot 33bps. The Shockers and Nerves have the same stock board, at least I'm pretty sure on that. Plus the shocker is smaller.

[dynastyofchaos]

Thats only recently then, that the shockers come with nerve boards, but while im at it, can u get your shocker 2 go any faster? My nerve goes over 33bps with the virtue on it. Fast enough 2 force me to continue looking for a faster hopper. Expecially since it burns the motor up in my halo. How is it possible to have a shocker with nerve board at 33bps when the nerve board is capped at about 25....

[slaminator3323]

Thats only recently then, that the shockers come with nerve boards, but while im at it, can u get your shocker 2 go any faster? My nerve goes over 33bps with the virtue on it. Fast enough 2 force me to continue looking for a faster hopper. Expecially since it burns the motor up in my halo.
No hoppers as of yet can fire that fast and really, anyhting over 15bps is just bragging rights. I'm pretty sure the 2k5 shockers came with the nerve boards, I would think the 2k6 ones would too. But seriously a shocker + HE bolt is better.

[dynastyofchaos]

Thats nice try a halo with neophean batteries, and a victory board. It should get you in the area of 35bps. But you are right anything over 15bps is bragging rights. Not really a need unless you just sux, and can't hit people. Although comparing nerve 2 shocker the shocker is more expensive than the nerve, and it may be able to shoot faster stock, although the nerve board is capped at 25bps so i don't c how. The shocker is smaller and lighter although as i said b4 it requires more maintenence.

[greg1113]

yea, nerve is just basically a spiffy impulse.

[slaminator3323]

I've never even heard of neophean batteries, info?

[dynastyofchaos]

I'm not sure where 2 get them online but they are rechargable batteries that cost around $100 that are supposed 2 boost the power into the motor, and they are supposed 2 last through 100 cases, with a lifetime warranty. I got 2 use one during the testing of my nerve when i first got it at the field i ref at. I want 2 get one but they are really expensive.

As for Greg113 the nerve is very different from an impulse and you shouldn't even compare them. The nerve is only similiar in that of they are near the same size and same technology. the nerve has a better board, different internals, stock vision, the same price, better looking, stock freak, etc... Basicly it can only be compared to an impulse by saying the nerve is better than one.

[greg1113]

What i meant was the opperation and the internals are the same. Everything else you said was the spiffy part.

[equipmentcounts]

Lol
nerve board is capped at 24 bps semi fyi( doubt you can pull that ;) )
i just say 20 becasue that is what it is capped at with ramping
http://www.zdspb.com/tech/skr03/upgrades/boards.html

It doesnt matter what batteries you put in a halo
a halo will never be very consisant over 25-30 bps

IF you want a fast loader

get a qloader adn some reballs,
will feed consisnatnly and you can wind it even tighter to feed faster tahn 30 bps since the reballs can't burst


also fyi
Q: What kind of efficiency can I expect from the Nerve?
A: The Nerve gets average efficiency rates of around 1100-1200 or more shots from a 68/4500 HPA tank. Efficiency can be increased with soem of the NDZ upgrades but not by too much. (http://www.zdspb.com/tech/nrv/faq.html)

Shocker efficany 1400+
(http://www.zdspb.com/tech/skr03/upgrades/boltkits.html)

I can see if i can upload a video of my shocker cycling 35 cps... tommorrow

[slaminator3323]

I'm not sure where 2 get them online but they are rechargable batteries that cost around $100 that are supposed 2 boost the power into the motor, and they are supposed 2 last through 100 cases, with a lifetime warranty. I got 2 use one during the testing of my nerve when i first got it at the field i ref at. I want 2 get one but they are really expensive.
Those kind the bone pack works better FYI.

[dynastyofchaos]

"The board is electronically capped at 24-bps with Vision enabled, and also includes a ramping mode which will accellerate your fire rate as high as you have it set if desired." main point ramping as high as it is set. As for efficiency, the nerve is supposed to get 1100-1200 shots while a shocker is supposed 2 get 700-800 shots from the same size tank as 68/45. As is said at multiple paintball websites and its not said under bolts and upgrades as where equipementcounts found his information, which was stating some bolt kits claim that efficiency.

[viks]

Shocker FTW

[equipmentcounts]

"The board is electronically capped at 24-bps with Vision enabled, and also includes a ramping mode which will accellerate your fire rate as high as you have it set if desired." main point rapping as high as it is set. As for efficiency, the nerve is supposed to get 1100-1200 shots while a shocker is supposed 2 get 700-800 shots from the same size tank as 68/45. As is said at multiple paintball websites and its not said under bolts and upgrades as where equipementcounts found his information, which was stating some bolt kits claim that efficiency.

I stated ealier that a HE bolt shocker has higher efficany
Yes it is under upgrades, But even a Nerve witha NDZ bolt does not have much increased effieancy

Aftermarket bolts will increase your efficiency and aid in getting rid of FSDO in some cases (if you have it to begin with, that is). Needless to say, there are multiple differences between each of the available bolt kits, so each is explained below. If you have questions, head to shockerowners.com to ask other players who have used the respective kits.

So...which bolt is best? The answer is none of them. Different bolts will work differently in different markers. There really is no accurate way of predicting which bolt will work better in your gun without purchasing them all (and nobody wants to do that). All of the kits claim numbers around 1400 shots to a 68/4500 tank, 1000 to a 68/3000, however you may end up with as much as 1700 shots from your 68/4500. This equals out to be about 140% the efficiency of the stock bolt. Chances are yopu will be happy with your bolt no matter which you choose.




700-800 is a false number
Why are my numbers right because www.zdspb.com
is a webiste made by smartpart techninicians

The claim of 1400 shots has been proven
Shockers can get up to 1700 as stated in my quote


also your numbers for the nerve board is wrong
Smart Parts stock Vision (Nerve) board: Upgraded board that also includes the Vision anti-chop eye and components. Includes Nerve programming which has rebound modes.
· Semiauto capped at 24-bps eyes on (18-bps eyes off).
· Rebound capped at 20-bps eyes on and off.
· Programmable via push-button switches on the surface of the board.
· Price: approx. $100 for just the board, $165 for the Vision upgrade kit. Vision kit available from most SP retail
http://www.zdspb.com/tech/skr03/upgrades/boards.html

Basicaly the 24 bps is only for semi
20 bps for ramping....

[leed]

Well just read...

If you are saying that Nerves and Shockers are capped differnetly stock... No. Just no. Current SFT Vision Shockers have the EXACT SAME NERVE board. Both their boards are entirely compatible, at least, to my knowledge.

I have absolutely NO idea where you, sir, found out that Nerves are more efficient than Shockers. If anything, they are less. The design of the shocker, spool valve, has only one moving part (+ solenoid, but both have that). The Bolt.
The Nerve on the other hand, is an Impulse, put in a smoother, nicer looking body. It has 3 moving parts, the hammer and bolt (I guess can be seen as 1 parts, but is heavier and larger, so more pressure/volume is needed to displace this mass), and a Valve assembly.

The spool valve, which has the bolt incorporated with the valve, is much much simpler, one moving part, very light, and very simple. With the lesser amount of moving parts, it is basically just a more efficent marker as it there are less operations, and thus less moving air is stopped and started again, Just as well, no air is lost, all is gone to firing the marker. All air that is used to 'cycle' the marker without shooting, is then transfered to the main chamber to fire the marker.

With that, the shocker just flat out has more ingenuity and thought put into it, as opposed to the Nerve. Why do you think no one bought them? Their outrageous price for the old design? Their absolute failure to compete with the market? Why do you think their priced more than halfed in a day, from MSRP, to 475 or so? No one likes them, they may look nice, but they're just an Impulse in a nice body. Like putting a Flat 2 in a Ferrari, absolutely useless. (Actually, this is a bad example, for a Flat 2 is more gas efficent than a V8...) For teh looks, go for it for the price, don't bother, for the use, don't even try. Impulse and nerves operate in the same way. Maybe using different parts with material and size, but the same operation. So they're easily comparable.

Aside from all this, whats the point? -Ooooh your Nerve can shoot 33 BPS on ramp!! OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG- Hey, I have an upgrade for your Nerve that'll make it shoot 50 times faster! You're disqualified.

[dynastyofchaos]

Well for starters just 2 let u know u sound like a jacka$$. But the point it 2 get the informatin across between the difference between the shocker and nerves.http://www.paintballtimes.com/Article.asp?ID=161, this is where i got the number from the efficiency for a shocker since i don't own one myself. Also from what I have heard from others that use shocker, they claim the same thing. then again maybe every1 in michigan is lieing. As for the bolt upgrade it wil make the efficicency better than a stock nerve, and probly better than u can get a nerve, I see that. Although with the nerve being $475 and being a little less efficient compared 2 a shocker with a bolt upgrade Id go with the nerve. Just me though everyone has their own opinion.

[Bokuwakakera]

It all depends on how fast your fingers are. Sence you have an ion, I'm going to say, medium range.

It also depends on ho much you want to spend, If you have $1400 to drop on a marker, then go with the shocker, if you don't, [like me] then go with the nerve. You can't beat $475 for a marker of that caliber.

I am going to side with Dynastyofchaos on this one (sence I am looking into buying a shocker or nerve myself), go with the nerve.

I've never even heard of neophean batteries, info?

Dude, you just made my day.

[dynastyofchaos]

Thank you, finally someone agrees with me, and sees what i am saying.

[rustyness]

stock?
nerve. good efficiency stock, good board, not really much of a need for upgrades, comes with a freak and a clamping feedneck, and is 300 bucks cheaper than the shocker. tough choice? no. nerve.

[Lapco]

Many of the upps to shocker the Nerve allready has stock, Nerve was made as the toppest marker to SP.
Shocker may use less air if bolt uppgrade.
Nerve also has some uppgrade but moustly is allready upped..

I recomand Nerve over a Shocker any day, not doubt.

But it`s moustly personaly.

[Uziel Gal]

Now, I have no intention of getting drawn in to the "which is best argument" here - I'll sum up by saying that they are both quality, high performance markers, that to my mind serve different purposes. I reckon, beyond the cost implications, the choice comes down to what type of marker you prefer.

This I think, is where people misunderstand the Nerve.

To my mind, the Nerve was introduced as Smart Parts answer to the popularity of the Intimidator, and the 2K3 Shocker is an obvious competitor for the Matrix. As such, they are targeted at different markets, and for that matter, the Nerve is targeted at a different market to the Impulse, which was of course originally designed to be a "budget" electro-pneumatic (something that may have been forgotten once the custom versions started appearing), whose closest competition at the time was the original B2K.

As such, while it is common to do so, I think it is wrong to compare the Nerve to the Impulse - it is rather more different to an Impulse than you may give it credit for, and like I said, I see them as being aimed at different sectors of the market.

While many of the changes to the Nerve could be compared to upgrades carried out to the Impulse, just how many changes have to be made before a marker is seen as being different? OK, you could upgrade the board on an Impulse, the bolt, the barrel, the feed neck, the frame - the list goes on, but while you can upgrade the Impulse to have the same features as the Nerve, you cannot actually turn the Impulse in to a Nerve - they are different.

OK, so lets look at some of the differences: -

For one thing, the Nerve does not require the solenoid tray. OK, so a couple of Impulse frames have "eliminated" the tray (Adrenalin, Hyper Sports Works), but didn't they really just combine the frame and tray in to one part, rather than remove it entirely? The Nerve on the other hand uses a Shocker style frame and solenoid (and trigger for that matter) so there is absolutely no tray. At all. The solenoid slots in side the top of the frame, just as it would on a Shocker.

So lets look at that trigger. Fully adjustable, with front and rear trigger stops, adjustable firing point (with two screw locations for different leverage) and adjustable magnetic return strength - just like that on the Shocker, and *unlike* the original Impulse triggers. And not compatible with the Impulse either.

Same goes for the board - Shocker frame, Shocker solenoid and Shocker compatible board. Not Impulse compatible.

The LPR can't be that different surely? Well, it is integrated in to the marker, not a bolt on upgrade with external LP hosing, so no, this wouldn't fit straight on to an Impulse.

How about the bolt? Well, it's delrin as standard, but that's nothing that you cannot add to the Impulse with an aftermarket part. However, the Nerve's twist lock block is obviously very different, and means that Impulse bolts will not fit. For one thing, the Impulse bolt has a pin mounted mid way long it's length, where the Nerve has the pin mounted right at the back.

Now, all that is probably just so much pointless drivel to most of you, and could just be passed off as updates, however fundamental, to the Impulse design. So what really separates the two?

To my mind, the thing that really changes the design is the ram/valve arrangement. The Intimidator is well know for combining the ram shaft and hammer in to one piece, and running it in a sleeve that acts as the rams cylinder. The Impulse on the other hand has a defined ram assembly, to which is attached a hammer to strike the valve. So what makes the Nerve different? Well, the valve poppet is hit by the end of the ram shaft, not the hammer. While there is a recognisable hammer, it is attached to the back of the ram shaft, not the front, just to give it extra weight (it is the rear mounted hammer that leads to the change in the bolt design and allows for the twist lock design). It doesn't have a separate valve assembly like the Impulse - instead, the poppet guide/valve chamber is part of the ram sleeve (though it can be unscrewed). So, the Nerve's firing mechanism has as much in common with the Intimidator as it does with the Impulse.

This picture from zdspb.com makes the arrangement clearer than I can explain.

http://www.zdspb.com/media/sitemedia/nerve_upgrades_main2.JPG

Add in the Shocker technology (along with all the other similarities I have mentioned, the Nerve also uses "Seal Forward Technology), all the non-compatible parts and the ram/valve changes, and it becomes rather obvious that there is no way that you could drop Impulse parts in to a Nerve body and expect it to function - there's just too many differences. The only real comparison between the Nerve and Impulse is that they are both made by Smart Parts, and are both stacked tube, open bolt electro-pneumatics. Beyond that, they really have very little in common. You may as well say that an Intimidator is the same as an Impulse (and watch the looks that you get from the Intimidator owners! ;) )

So, while the Nerve has some obvious similarities with the Impulse, just as it has similarities with ANY stacked open bolt electro-pneumatic, it has few if any compatible parts, and in fact has more Shocker compatible parts, and it's operation is as much Intimidator as Impulse.

That probably doesn't move this argument along any, and I apologise for going on so long, but I thought it might help to point out that the Nerve is more than just a milled Impulse, or at least, it is if you accept that any stacked tube open bolt marker is different to an Impulse!

Do I own a Nerve? Yes I do, but only because I have loved the way they looked ever since I saw the first pictures in the 2003 catalogue. With the drop in price, I was finally able to get one. As I said right at the beginning, I'm not a rabid owner defending my choice of marker - it's just something that I have had my eye on for a long time. I just wanted to provide a bit more info on a marker that is often overlooked as being "just an Impulse".

[senghing27]

It's nice to see Uziel in the Smart Parts section;)

[Uziel Gal]

Because what the SP forum was really lacking was a warped British point of view! :P

[equipmentcounts]

Here are some pictures to compare imp, nerve and shocker

Imp
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/equipmentcounts/impulse.jpg
Nerve
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/equipmentcounts/nerve2.jpg
Shocker
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f30/equipmentcounts/shockersft2.jpg

[pball_4life99]

lol +15 bps is not braging rights lol u can get a syder goin that fast prob 20 would b

[oonothing]

Its personal prefernce. They shoot about the same (in my opinion). So stop arguing.

[Lapco]

yea, nerve is just basically a spiffy impulse.


Please note that the Nerve is not just a copy of the Impulse, or any other marker. Although it is true that both markers utilize the same basic design to function, the Nerve is very different from an Impulse; just like an Intimidator is different from a Bushmaster. Stock Impulses came with "stock" performance; the Nerve comes with fully-upgraded performance.

[equipmentcounts]

when he says spiffy impulse he means a fully upped imp
w/ fully upped performance

[DirtyBirdy51]

how much money do you have? if youve got the 475 for the nerve, just save up another 50 and get an evil PIMP. if you've got the money for the shocker, ~700 (vision shocker) treat yourself to a used Timmy or a Sonic Borg. But the Shocker is still a good idea though. IMO, the shocker kicks the Nerves ***

[Lapco]

when he says spiffy impulse he means a fully upped imp
w/ fully upped performance

Well, the Nerve is NOT a spiffy impulse with a fully upped imp
w/ fully upped performance at ALL.

The Nerve is YOTAL different (it`s just nearly the same working method)

By say that you also say Ego is a spiffy impulse with a fully upped imp
w/ fully upped performance.

The ONLY thing Imp and Nerve has to commen is the SMART PARTS name. and nearly the same working method.

[Lapco]

IMO, the shocker kicks the Nerves ***

You do not now what you talking about, i`m sure you have Shocker lol

[equipmentcounts]

so you would notice a peformance difference
Between a fully upped imp and a nerve? is that what you are saying?

[DirtyBirdy51]

You do not now what you talking about, i`m sure you have Shocker lol

Do you own a shocker?

[Lapco]

so you would notice a peformance difference
Between a fully upped imp and a nerve? is that what you are saying?

I saying the Nerve is not more like a Impuls then a EGO.
That say Smart Parts to, and it`s show if you going to see how it`s build and how it work.

[Lapco]

Do you own a shocker?


No but say that Shocker are better is crap, I dont have a Nerve or a Shocker.
Stock is Nerve the best marker SP ever made, I am sure Shocker has some sides that is better like it use less air (with uppgrade bolt) ect.
Butt this is uppgrads, Nerve has stock many parts that only is uppgrads to Shocker it was ment the Nerve to out peform the Shocker but fore one reason people bay Shocker, sure because it is some smaaler ect, and it was out first.
And offcorse SP want to get mony where thay sell moust.
The Nerve has never get the chanche to get a real chanche to proov it`s potensial.

I do not say Nerve is better then Shocker (just stock) because thats is vrong to say and it`s not.

I now Shocker is some of the best markers in the world (Nerve is to)
But bay say Shocker kicks the NERVE *** Is behaveing like a 14 years old ION owner that think hes the best over all. And i am sure you to now how wrong and nooby that sounds.

[mike77]

guys i have a question, im trying to decide between the two and Im wondering how much smaller/lighter the shocker is. I read the whole thread and Ive concluded they will shoot basically the same, but i play front so weight is important. So, how much lighter is the shocker?

[equipmentcounts]

shocker is 4 oz lighter and
and about half as tall body wise

you will lose a lot of weight throwing on a cp reg and a stiffi

[Uziel Gal]

According to the Smart Parts manuals, there is only half an inch difference in height, but the Nerve is also an inch longer: -

Shocker

Length/Height/Weight: 8 inches (without barrel) x 6 inches, 1 lbs. 14 oz.

Nerve

Length/Height/Weight: 9 inches (without barrel) x 6.5 inches (body), 2 lbs. 2 oz.

[bucsrdabomb4747]

how much money do you have? if youve got the 475 for the nerve, just save up another 50 and get an evil PIMP. if you've got the money for the shocker, ~700 (vision shocker) treat yourself to a used Timmy or a Sonic Borg. But the Shocker is still a good idea though. IMO, the shocker kicks the Nerves ***

Wow, this guy's a moron. Dude, stop hatin on Smart Parts. Nerve will kill a Sonic 'Borg. And an Evil PIMP? That thing isn't fit to wipe the Nerve's a$$. It looks like someone took a bite out of a brick and gave it a ghetto name. If anything is the same as the Impulse, it's the Pimp because it's taller than Shaq. Don't take it to New York or King Kong will climb it. ROARRRRR muthaf***a!!

[bucsrdabomb4747]

Sorry, I got off topic thanks to DirtyBirdy51. All you debating about Nerve-Shocker performance just remember this: The new Shockers are using NERVE boards. Not Shocker boards. Is that telling you which one is better. Smart Parts is using a board from one of them, on both of them, because it out-performed the old shocker board. Keep that in mind while choosing which is better.

[Uziel Gal]

:dodgy: Noted.

[VeXga]

My believes on why the nerve didn't succeed...Keep in mind the nerve was once a $1,000 dollar gun, that wasn't just because smart parts over priced it...it was also more expensive then the shocker that to was for a reason. stock Nerve>stock shocker


The nerve didn't "replace the impulse". It's not just an upped Impulse either, the nerve was ment so that smart parts has a gun fully uped and ready for tournament play. It was made so that you don't have to go out an buy anything for it. When it comes to why they failed, thats simple Demand, there wasn't a big demand for them because smart parts screwed themselves, they made the Ion which focused at a low price crowd, then they have the shocker, which focused at the high priced, high performance crowd. There wasn't any room for a nerve, the shocker already had that crowd and it already established a name, they basically put the nerve up against the shocker, and although stock the shocker is not as high quality, it had already established a name and sold for 200 less, at that price one could add the upgrades to make it as good as a nerve. If they would have canceled the Shocker it's said that the nerve would have done better because it would have taken the shockers place, but why cancel an already established gun? As for replaceing the impulse, that was the Ions job. it's a low priced high performance gun.