Nerve Prices

[loudatom]

What happened with the nerves? I mean seriously, im not complaining or anything but all of a sudden.... the price just dropped. Everyone is all of a sudden selling discounted nerves. Great timing since i paid full price for mine. They MSRPed at 1100 dollars..... now you can get me for under 5oo. Is smart parts trying to shift towards the lower end audience? or are they just having bad sales......... iono just getting my thoughts out there. Tell me what you think.:rolleyes:

[Shadow21]

They are getting old, and newer products are taking over.

[dynastyofchaos]

true, the nerve was basicly an upgraded impulse as most people put it, although i disagree. Nobody wants an impulse anymore so they went out, now the nerves are going out. My response, get them while there cheap, I can play with the same equipement as most professional depending on how u look at it. I see it as a good thing for those who can't afford $800. Just get a quality gun for $475. Y not?

[4THDEGREE]

Rumor has it they are being discontinued. that would be a reasonable explanation for everyone dumping the prices on them.

[TheSpy11]

I'm definitely assuming that they are being discontinued. Sellers on eBay are seling them for less than $475--my guess is that it's even less than $450. That's an incredible price for a gun of that caliber. It really sucks for those that bought one when they were full price.

[slaminator3323]

Hmmmm, interesting.

[di$TOrTed]

yeah, i really wish i had $500, i would buy one in a heartbeat, but i think they are being discontinued.........

[dynastyofchaos]

Yea, the is definitly a good thing for those who can't afford better guns. I mean the nerve's price dropping, although what does it mean for those who already ahd bought a nerve? You got ripped off. lol!

[loudatom]

yeah, im definetely going with dicontinued.... and it does suck... but they are awesome guns, all you nerve owners i know can relate... and i keep up darn well with the shockers... i <3 my nerve

[slaminator3323]

It seems so, it's also in the clearance section of the site along with pulses, of course that may mean they are just going to revamp it.

[dynastyofchaos]

true, they may just be getting rid of the nerves like they did the impulses b4 the Ions. Which means they just might be coming out with something new. We can only hope.

[Shadow21]

They will just make the Shockers more complete for teams earning thier place in tournaments. They will make them better, making so that people will be able to train with higer end markers. Ions will drop in price, and so will the Nerves, making Ions less than used Electras. Did that make any sense? Pretty much one thing leads on to the next and the Nerve is starting that chain.

[pr0xy_dA3m0n 1]

well im looking at a karnivor, but i might as well get this right for the price, actionvilllage has one for 475!!!(USD)

[the Ydna]

Discontinued? no.

[p8ntblazerx63]

475 at.actionvillage buy it there. the att. dont work

[Lapco]

They are getting old, and newer products are taking over.
NO..!
Shocker is just as old as Nerve.. why you think so i dont now, because Nerve is just as good or up to data as any other guns.

Nerve was ment to "replace" Shocker but it did not, why.. I dont now sure people bay Shocker, why i dont now maybe it`s smaaler and it is lower price, stock Nerve is better then stock Shocker.

Maybe it discontinued or somthing because bad sale.. ?? :rolleyes:

Nerve has not be sold in Norway... to bad :(

Or maybe some new / upped nerve will come... hmm that would be nice :)

[jr300000d]

NO..!
Shocker is just as old as Nerve.. why you think so i dont now, because Nerve is just as good or up to data as any other guns.


Shocker is actualy older than the Nerve (and I'm not talking about the old brickish Shockers).

Or maybe some new / upped nerve will come... hmm that would be nice

That would be awesome if they did that and tried keeping it at $650 or under.

I also am not sure that the Nerve was ment to replace the Shocker. Kinda seemed to me when it came out they were marketing it as an awesome Impulse. So maybe they were trying to replace the Impulse? I don't know...

[Lapco]

As i have heard it was supous to replace / take over Shocker place (it have alle the upps. to Shocker as stock) and it is stock NERVE better then stock Shocker.
But nearly no one was by it, Shocker was sell better.

I dont realy now, i just have my teory.

This is facts from Smart Parts:

#Please note that the Nerve is not just a copy of the Impulse, or any other marker. Although it is true that both markers utilize the same basic design to function, the Nerve is very different from an Impulse; just like an Intimidator is different from a Bushmaster. Stock Impulses came with "stock" performance; the Nerve comes with fully-upgraded performance.#

And it`s sooo TRUE..!!

[equipmentcounts]

Well the nerve is the next generation impulse...
not the next generation shocker
Nor is the shocker the next generation nerve

so the nerve technially replaces the impulse
however ion did a better job of replacing impulses than the nerve

But what i don't understand is
why not come out with a fully upped shocker instead?
it would be lighter? smaller? more effiecent?

[Lapco]

But what i don't understand is
why not come out with a fully upped shocker instead?
it would be lighter? smaller? more effiecent?

The Nerve have nothing at all with the Impuls, it`s total different it`s just a new marker after the Impuls from SP.
(Nerve is just as EGO as it is Impuls)

mony mony mony thay live on people like you and others (not me) that bay Shocker and alot of things (not so good things that we upp.) upping it after we has bay alot ""crap"" that we will uppin later it`s there thay get a lot off mony from upping parts. ( Shocker )

[VeXga]

The nerve didn't "replace the impulse". It's not just an upped Impulse either, the nerve was ment so that smart parts has a gun fully uped and ready for tournament play. It was made so that you don't have to go out an buy anything for it. When it comes to why they failed, thats simple Demand, there wasn't a big demand for them because smart parts screwed themselves, they made the Ion which focused at a low price crowd, then they have the shocker, which focused at the high priced, high performance crowd. There wasn't any room for a nerve, the shocker already had that crowd and it already established a name, they basically put the nerve up against the shocker, and although stock the shocker is not as high quality, it had already established a name. If they would have canceled the Shocker it's said that the nerve would have done better because it would have taken the shockers place, but why cancel an already established gun? As for replaceing the impulse, that was the Ions job. it's a low priced high performance gun.

[VeXga]

The price being so low isn't just because they are coming out with a new model, No gun price is cut in half when the new model comes out, they are obvisously doing something more the coming out with a new model, the gun is probably being discontinued due to lack of demand for the gun.

[Lopez17]

Guys...keep it civil in here. :finger: The next time I have to come in here it's going to be with a ban stick. No more name calling or posts with flames.

[rockyboarder]

why would they discontinue it? now that the prices were cut in half, their demand will probably sky rocket. Only good comes from Nerve's and I have had the pleasure of owning one..Will not let you down..peace

[soviettrator]

ok, first off, the nerve is not being discontinued, second, why the its so low is 1. low sales (less than 2700 sold), 2. basicly just a shocker with larger body, 3. the 06 Impulse is coming out (The Nerve is basicly a 05 Impulse). on that note, the nerve is not that old, it debued at the 2004 World Cup

[VeXga]

How do u figure the nerve is an 05 impulse they are nothing alike, just because the nerve has a some what larger body (comparing to the shocker). other than that they aren't even similar. If it was an 05 impulse they would have called it an impulse because impulse already had a name in the market (simple marketing tactics) smart parts being a marketing genius would never introduce a new marker calling it a different name just to have it be the same gun, is suicide. They discontinued the Impulse to come out with the Ion, which by all standards was a great idea. Impulses and ions were selling for similar prices, the ion was just better, more advanced. As stated before the shocker and nerve were in competition with each other, the shocker won, not because it was a better marker, but because people knew about the shocker,and the shocker sold for 200 dollars less. it's hard to sell a gun when it is in competition with another gun 4 times as popular, just as good with minor upgrades, and also cheaper. That was smart parts downfall. The nerve wasn't made to replace any gun, it was made for competitive players to have a tournament ready gun without doing anything to it. Nerve gets a bad wrap because people claim they are only 05 versions of impulses when in all realisms they are nothing like an impulse besides a slight resembelance to the body, nerves are 10 times better than an impulse.

[paintballluva]

yea thats all tru but i heard that the nerves realy sucked...im not saying that but i no a guy who had to buy tons of upgrades for it and fix it a bunch of times

[Uziel Gal]

As with any quality marker, most problems suffered by the Nerve are due to user error - poor set-up, incorrect LPR or HPR pressure, incorrect maintenance/re-assembly etc. Any genuine problems suffered by the Nerve should have been resolved when the marker was factory upgraded, changes that were available free to people who already owned them.

[scottgman]

Just wanted to post an observation to get this thread back on topic...

I bought a Nerve on Ebay and just got it last week. In the box was a Smart Parts catalog. There were only 2 markers advertised in the catalog: Ion and Shocker.

You don't have to be Einstein to figure out that they are phasing out the Nerve. If Smart Parts had plans to keep making the Nerve, you can bet the farm that they would advertise it in their catalog.

[beastatsnake]

You don't have to be Einstein to figure out that they are phasing out the Nerve. If Smart Parts had plans to keep making the Nerve, you can bet the farm that they would advertise it in their catalog.

I don't understand why they made the Nerve. The Nerve is a copy of an Impulse, but it is lighter and has a better stock board. It is almost like the SP-8 being a copy of the Ion, but with a scenario body kit. Smart Parts is running out of ideas.

[Uziel Gal]

One of the reasons that you are not understanding why Smart Parts introduced the Nerve is because you are seeing the Nerve as basically being an Impulse, which isn't the case.

When the Impulse was first introduced, it was actually designed to be a budget electro - very much in the same class as the original Bushmaster markers. It was to give people a genuine electro-pneumatic marker that was cheaper than the competition (for the most part, the Angel) and a cheaper option to their own original design Shocker.

The Nerve on the other hand was almost the reverse of this - it was designed to be an expensive high end marker out of the box, not as a budget one. All the upgrades that people liked to add to the Impulse were standard on the Nerve. More importantly, changes were made to the Nerve design that were just not possible on the Impulse. Simply stated, the Nerve and the Impulse were designed to target different sections of the market. If anything the '03 Shocker can be seen as having been introduced as competition for the Matrix, and the Nerve can be seen as competition for the Intimidator.

The Nerve actually shares more parts with the Shocker than it does with the Impulse. The only real similarities between the Impulse and the Nerve are the barrel, and the use of a ram, but even then there are changes - the Impulse uses a ram powered hammer to open a separate valve, where in the Nerve, it is actually the ram shaft that opens the valve, and the valve is a continuation of the ram sleeve. The Nerve is quite similar to the Intimidator in that respect.

Comparing the Impulse to the Nerve is pretty much the same as comparing a Defiant with an Intimidator - there are similarities, but they aren't the same marker.

So why was the Nerve not popular? For one thing, the Nerve was first announced at the same time as the '03 Shocker, but did not actually reach the market place until over a year after the Shocker. So Smart Parts fans had already bought in to the Shocker before the Nerve ever appeared. Plus, SP had not surprisingly equipped their high profile teams with Shockers, so it had exposure that the Nerve never received. Why did it not reach it's market? Chances are that it was never going to turn the Bob Long fans away from the Intimidator anyway, so perhaps there was some wishful thinking there on SP's part.

I've written a few more details about the differences between the Impulse and Nerve here (http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=355812&page=2&postcount=#29) if you are interested.

[VeXga]

beastatsnake-I think you are pretty mis-informed when it comes to the paintball market...All you see is that the nerve has a similar resemblence to the impulse, with a few minor excepts, meaning that they do share similar parts...What your missing is the fact of why they were each released. Which is in many terms the most important part. just becuase a gun looks kind of similar and share a same part doesn't mean they are replacing one another. Like I have stated several times, and uziel just stated, the nerve's main purpose is everything but for replacing the impulse, they are in completely different market structures. Like uziel stated, the impulse was created to focus on the lower end electros. (to me that sounds alot like the ION) Ion being released at a LOW price means it is to give the customers a LOW priced fairly high performance marker. The nerve on the other hand was not at all released to focus on the low price crowd, considering it released at a $1000+ if my memory serves me right. This misconception of the nerve is quite disturbing, people claiming the shocker, or ion, or whatever gun is better than the nerve just because of the low price tag is quite ignorant, The nerve is a fanstasic marker and will easily run with any out there. Take a well set up'd one out and shot it and i am sure your preception of it will drastically change. Many of the people that precieve the Nerve to be at a lower quality than an ion or shocker, or even just a replacement impulse have never really shot one and are just going by what somebody on "PBN" or "PBR" say. Don't judge this marker by it's price tag, judge it on the sheer performance. Compare it to any other high end marker, and you will find that its performance is everything but subpar. I'm not saying it's better than any highend out, but it will run easily with your intimidators,Shockers,DM's,PMs,Bushies,Angels...ET C...

[sweathogs]

a review of marketing would be helpful for those uninformed.

what is the marketing term again?

differentiation?

market segmentation?

[VeXga]

there is alot to marketing aspects...if you really want to learn about it maybe you should by this book, ISBN 0-324-34193-0 it was my marketing foundations books when i had that class. It talked alot about what marketing is, the different aspects of it as well as looking for good marketing tactics...etc, its basically everything to know about marketing, sales, and advertising, and management...I dont' really want to spew on about it. Unfortunatly i cannot/do not feel like simplifying the book for all of you threw this forum. I was just trying to clear up a few misconceptions, and explain to everybody that it is Very unlikly that smart parts would market the guns the way people are claiming, it is also shown the they did not choose to market that way due to the fact of price, and specs. of the guns that they released.