Paintball needs a slight adjustment of attitude...There, I said it

[The_beast]

As of late, it seems as if everywhere I look I see some story, statement, etc. that brings me grief concerning paintball. Whenever I watch the UAPL on TV all I see is cheating, poor sportsmanship, an unrefined game with an unrefined tournament format, and the potential that is there. I come onto these forums and see stories like the recent one involving lasoya and his brazen, blatant disregard for standards, rules, and safety. I see responses to said stories supporting/defending unsportsmanlike play. The whole thing makes me sick.

First off, the wiping. This is something that has to be dealt with. As long as wiping remains so rampant our game is a joke. There is no such thing as a definitive win or loss at this point. Whether a team does well or not falls victim to circumstance, where the ref's are, and how good the individual has gotten at getting away with things. This is not worthy of the title of "Sport". I mean, an obscene amount of this is happening at a televised level?! What message does that send.

The ramping is another problem too. It just cheapens the game overall. It elevates markers to a speed that a person couldn't actually fire and eliminates the possibility of slight human error. Not to mention it is slightly dangerous. Remember when that guy got a concussion thanks to lasoya tagging him in the head 12 times?

Next we have the attitude regarding the whole thing. The community seems to have taken on this half skater/half netgamer lingo and this visual style that is far too "extreme sport" for what we actually do. Cheating and deplorable actions are applauded and defended, despite the detestable image this sends out to people who aren't yet involved. Plus, the way people defend wiping and such is just stupid. "In the heat of the game, I NEED to wipe, blah blah blah I am extreme!" or "Football has holding, why can't we attempt to refute eliminations, the very object of the game, and claim they never happened?".

So, in short, we should be more professional. We should show better sportsmanship and respect for the rules and elevate our game to what it should be.

[TiPpYsGaLoRe]

Yay for yet another useless rant!

This is all common sense by now, you should know that.

[slaminator3323]

Yay for yet another useless rant!

This is all common sense by now, you should know that.
QFT, cheating? Every sport has cheaters it's part of the game. That game with lasoya I'm pretty sure it was bounce, I see no problem with ramping if anything it levels the playing field. Also people can get up to and exceed 15bps on their own, so what were you saying about ramping speeds not being achievable? What is so bad about trying to get out of an elimination, it could be paint from the bunker that got wiped on to them.

[Mr Murderdoll89]

Who ****ing cares...

[GranDream]

These type of rants seem to happen once a month, almost like a forum menstruation cycle.

[The_beast]

Oh, really? Perhaps I could take some of the common sense attitudes towards cheating and post them here.

Players cheat to win. Players winning promotes that sponsor's equipment. Why would a sponser pull the sponsorship from a winning team?

Atleast this article isn't about Lasoya doing something pansy-ish like complaining about ramping and the degradation of paintball as a sport.

cheating is a part of the game, part of a strategy often times, in other sports too. Consider how the last two minutes of almost every single flipping basketball game is spent fouling as much as possible.

Word. There is money on the line. These guys have their adrenaline pumping, and they're not gonna be thinking, "WWJD?" in the middle of a game, especially with thousands of dollars at stake. That's their profession, their job. And they have to make money. If it means cheating, so be it.

It took me absolutely NO time to find these enlightened opinions, just riddled with the common sense you claim this forum is packed with. Way to go!

[Tweeters]

As of late, it seems as if everywhere I look I see some story, statement, etc. that brings me grief concerning paintball. Whenever I watch the UAPL on TV all I see is cheating, poor sportsmanship, an unrefined game with an unrefined tournament format, and the potential that is there. I come onto these forums and see stories like the recent one involving lasoya and his brazen, blatant disregard for standards, rules, and safety. I see responses to said stories supporting/defending unsportsmanlike play. The whole thing makes me sick.

First off, the wiping. This is something that has to be dealt with. As long as wiping remains so rampant our game is a joke. There is no such thing as a definitive win or loss at this point. Whether a team does well or not falls victim to circumstance, where the ref's are, and how good the individual has gotten at getting away with things. This is not worthy of the title of "Sport". I mean, an obscene amount of this is happening at a televised level?! What message does that send.

It makes for good TV.

The ramping is another problem too. It just cheapens the game overall. It elevates markers to a speed that a person couldn't actually fire and eliminates the possibility of slight human error. Not to mention it is slightly dangerous. Remember when that guy got a concussion thanks to lasoya tagging him in the head 12 times?

Happened only once. Cry some more, we dont flip out every time a large population of jewish people disappear, oh wait its cause it doesnt happen that often.

Next we have the attitude regarding the whole thing. The community seems to have taken on this half skater/half netgamer lingo and this visual style that is far too "extreme sport" for what we actually do. Cheating and deplorable actions are applauded and defended, despite the detestable image this sends out to people who aren't yet involved. Plus, the way people defend wiping and such is just stupid. "In the heat of the game, I NEED to wipe, blah blah blah I am extreme!" or "Football has holding, why can't we attempt to refute eliminations, the very object of the game, and claim they never happened?".

Its because the 1 million other paintballers are busy having fun, not whining about something that already happened (the ones who do get laughed at)

So, in short, we should be more professional. We should show better sportsmanship and respect for the rules and elevate our game to what it should be.

Why should paintball be what YOU think it should be? You are not the population playing paintball. So cry some more cause nothings gonna change for you.

[TiPpYsGaLoRe]

Ugh...

We all know cheating happens. We all know ramping happens. Both do not go unpunished as much as you make it out to be. Get off your soapbox and realize that it happens, and it gets punished when it does. It's called reality, get used to it.

[slaminator3323]

Oh, really? Perhaps I could take some of the common sense attitudes towards cheating and post them here.









It took me absolutely NO time to find these enlightened opinions, just riddled with the common sense you claim this forum is packed with. Way to go!
It is common sense you just seem to thick to get it.

[xtremesnipr223]

If you can't put up with the cheating, then quit. Like that other guy did who I don't remember his name because he was a whiny loser.

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[Crede777]

So, in short, we should be more professional. We should show better sportsmanship and respect for the rules and elevate our game to what it should be.
Let me go find every player who wipes, ramps, swears, and wears extreme clothes and tell them to stop...

Oh by the way, I ramp and wear "extreme" clothing, and I swear and wipe on the odd occasion. As long as PSP ramping is legal, I will do it. If ramping is not legal, I won't.

[senghing27]

hmmm, play pump class.... no ramping, lower speeds,lesser wiping.

I say lopez shall close it this time....

10 e-chips on that

[slaminator3323]

hmmm, play pump class.... no ramping, lower speeds,lesser wiping.

I say lopez shall close it this time....

10 e-chips on that
I raise you twenty and say 4TH does.

[A-5best]

As of late, it seems as if everywhere I look I see some story, statement, etc. that brings me grief concerning paintball. Whenever I watch the UAPL on TV all I see is cheating, poor sportsmanship, an unrefined game with an unrefined tournament format, and the potential that is there. I come onto these forums and see stories like the recent one involving lasoya and his brazen, blatant disregard for standards, rules, and safety. I see responses to said stories supporting/defending unsportsmanlike play. The whole thing makes me sick.
Well I have recently been informed that the UAPL is actually set up like that and players are told to cheat and argue etc. Ask RCX, he knows. Lasoya is an idiot and it was uncalled for but otherwise the sport is very "sportsman like" and many players actually live together and are best friends. I havent seen an abundance of people supporting what Lasoya did either anyway.

First off, the wiping. This is something that has to be dealt with. As long as wiping remains so rampant our game is a joke.
Yes because every other sport has no cheaters in it and when i see a pass interference call in Football the first thing that comes to mind is "this sport is a joke."
There is no such thing as a definitive win or loss at this point. Whether a team does well or not falls victim to circumstance, where the ref's are, and how good the individual has gotten at getting away with things.
Yeah because you know in a game like X-ball where at least 10 games are played every single one of those games comes down to cheating and wiping, and not to player and team skill or communication. I mean hell put a few D3ers against the pros all it comes down to is luck right? No skill involved.
This is not worthy of the title of "Sport". I mean, an obscene amount of this is happening at a televised level?! What message does that send.
Yes a game where cheating happens at a televised level is definitely not worthy of the title "sport" right? Think for a second about how asinine that sounds and then get back to us.

The ramping is another problem too. It just cheapens the game overall. It elevates markers to a speed that a person couldn't actually fire and eliminates the possibility of slight human error.
I can hit 15 and over, apparently you fail to see what ramping does. Ramping safens the sport greatly, it takes away the possibility of bounce and ramping to dangerous levels. If there wa no controlled ramping then it would be impossible to try and make sure every player is not ramping or bouncing, it makes the sport safer and if someone is shooting faster then they should its incredibly easy to hear the difference.
Not to mention it is slightly dangerous. Remember when that guy got a concussion thanks to lasoya tagging him in the head 12 times?
Read above, it makes it safer not dangerous. Oh and next time you try to argue something make sure to read up on it, Lasoya's gun was bouncing not ramping, it was run away bounce and he pulled the trigger twice and 12 balls came out. Ramping is much different, the second you let go of the trigger is the second it stops.

Next we have the attitude regarding the whole thing. The community seems to have taken on this half skater/half netgamer lingo and this visual style that is far too "extreme sport" for what we actually do.
You mean the pre-pubescent 12 year olds who use "leet speak" and stupid shortening like "wut" and generally spell things wrong? Yes that is definitely a legitimate argument as to why paintball hasnt been taking off lately. Oh wait it has been taking off, go figure.
Cheating and deplorable actions are applauded and defended, despite the detestable image this sends out to people who aren't yet involved.
Where have you seen this?
Plus, the way people defend wiping and such is just stupid. "In the heat of the game, I NEED to wipe, blah blah blah I am extreme!"
Who the hell says that? Please tell me I am interested.
or "Football has holding, why can't we attempt to refute eliminations, the very object of the game, and claim they never happened?".
Its human nature to cheat, is it right? No but the only thing you can do is get better/more refs and try to officiate better.....or write a huge insignificant paragraph detesting it......wait:eyes: ?
So, in short, we should be more professional. We should show better sportsmanship and respect for the rules and elevate our game to what it should be.
The same can be said for absolutly every sport, except maybe curling.


So in short you have made a paragraph arguing against the same things people have been for the last 2 years and act like your the first person to say it. "There I said it" I hate to burst your bubble but your far from the first person to say it and quite frankly it gets annoying after a while, you making a paragraph about this doesnt help anything. Instead maybe you should devote your life to furthering paintball and maybe getting better marshells, like some of those decadent proffesional players have right?

Please dont post anymore of these, it has been done before and the conclusion is that what you post on a paintball forum doesnt matter and doesnt affect much of anything, thank you that is all.
Im really not trying to be harsh, and I too feel the cheating should stop, but you dont do that by complaining on an online forum, you go out and try to fix it. It just gets annoying hearing all this after a while.

[senghing27]

A-5 has said it, close the thread...

[hybrid-sniper]

You cheat you get penalized, sometimes you get away with it. Happens in EVERY SPORT.

Ramping, evens the playing field and for the most part has kept the unsafe cheater boards out of the tournaments. People had cheating guns going much faster than 15bps. Plus when you stop shooting so does the gun, so in reality it is safe because a lot of people will be shooting around that fast anyway just they have more control now. Lasoya had bounce on his gun that gave the guy the concussion.

Most of the people talkin smack on the net have never played a big tournament so they really can't speak for what is on the line. I've seen lots of players cheat and most of them do get penalized. There are many things to keep cheating down like thick fill paint, sticker rules, certain colour bans...etc

Do you really think the leagues would do anything that would really disgrace the sport which they want to make money off? no. So they try to amend any issues.

[drunkenMonkey]

These type of rants seem to happen once a month, almost like a forum menstruation cycle.

:laugh:

[Shimboodo]

Damn you A5, reading all that red burned by eyes!

[DagNasty]

ok.. opinions posted.. thanks for playing.